[WW] Grundbegriff's Gallows: Stormbringer

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:57 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote: Might I remind you what you did to me last time we met. I had you in my sights and I let you slip through. So that being known you are by far not off the radar. Im not saying I'm going to vote for you, but you've out slyed me before.

Chaosraven is still scarred by that as well.

Cesare · Post by **Cesare** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:00 pm

If the inner circle still exists, now is the time to come forward.. why stay hidden at this point when we have a bloc that can obviously overcome the slayer vote?

(again, this assumes their is more than one person remaining in the inner circle)

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:01 pm

Well my best guess is provided there is a tracker alive they don't want to narrow down the field for the lone ranger slayer.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:02 pm

McNutt and Co. I am still at the beach but I'm trying to check in a couple times a day. Baby is sleeping, Luke is playing his Vtech game thing and AM is at the pool. I haven't been saying much as I have not been able to keep up much. I am a non-powered innocent and also wonder if we all are, with one slayer out there.

I'll give this page a good read and look back a bit too. Have you tried asking the slayer to step forward? It's been a strange game (earlier on anyway) and you never know.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:20 pm

I don't have much to add right now. I noticed Bakhtosh voted for Kraegor. Tosh and I were chatting in Google chat a bit and discussed the game casually. Neither of us could trust the other (okay, well he could trust me as it turns out) and I didn't/don't really have much info so there wasn't much to lose. Tosh suggested Kraegor several times and as noted above, voted for him.

This could be 1 of 2 things. He wanted to have distance in case Kraegor was found slayer, or he was trying to push toward an innocent. He brought up Kraegor in at least two conversations though. I'll look back through them and find the relevant bits. (google chat is easy to search)

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:25 pm

Austin wrote:I don't have much to add right now. I noticed Bakhtosh voted for Kraegor. Tosh and I were chatting in Google chat a bit and discussed the game casually. Neither of us could trust the other (okay, well he could trust me as it turns out) and I didn't/don't really have much info so there wasn't much to lose. Tosh suggested Kraegor several times and as noted above, voted for him.

This could be 1 of 2 things. He wanted to have distance in case Kraegor was found slayer, or he was trying to push toward an innocent. He brought up Kraegor in at least two conversations though. I'll look back through them and find the relevant bits. (google chat is easy to search)

Hmmm... I could see a slayer voting for another, but actually trying to get others to vote for him (or cause him to seem suspicious) in private conversations? That doesn't seem like something one slayer would do for another. Especially since, at the time, I imagine Bakhtosh thought he was pretty safe from lynching.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:31 pm

Okay, I went back through the logs and he really only mentioned Kraegor once. This makes me think he's likely innocent. I'll post the relevant bits without posting other chat stuff.

me: Yeah
4:39 PM Test Chaos?

Tosh: Maybe we should look at the ones who are quiet more than usual...I'm thinking Kraegor off hand

me: I'd go back through his threads but they're pretty short and not much there
4:40 PM And I really don't want to lead another bad charge. But will I guess.
Tru1cy still on the table?

Tosh: I think LM would be a great way to test things...but I'm going to assume he won't die and already be thinking about the next move.
4:41 PM tru1cy...what to do about him?
4:42 PM

me: Dunno... he's likely innocent.

Tosh: I'm assuming he's still not part of the circle...
me: Kraegor seems a best bet perhaps.

Tosh: K is just not being himself...
we've seen what, 2 songs?

Slightly edited, but content is the same
I did re-suggest Kraegor too as he could well be guilty but now knowing Tosh was a slayer, it just seems an odd suggestion. (unless he was trying to see if I was in any circles or something... dunno) But there you go.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:53 pm

the tally

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:01 pm

Silky you have been called to task. Understand that Silky hasn't been scanned, but the inner council is leaning towards him.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:17 pm

the tally

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:25 pm

8 remaining. 5 majority

Miss this turn. 1 dies in the night.
tomorrow. 6 remain. 4 majority.
next day. 4 remain. 3 majority.
next day 2 remain. game over.

2 turns left. after tonight.

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tru1cy is claiming inner circle contact. What proof? Do we just take his word for it?

I spose we are being asked to have faith in that which cannot be seen.

Let us bow our heads...

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:35 pm

tru1cy wrote:Silky you have been called to task. Understand that Silky hasn't been scanned, but the inner council is leaning towards him.

Guess you got the verification you were looking for. Actually I am surprised the council waited as long as it did to have me lynched. I am not going to vote for myself because I don't feel it is in the best interest of the village. I expect people to go with the will of the inner circle and don't hold any hard feelings at all.

I will vote for McNutt

Not that there is a ton of good reasons. He, like Kraegor, didn't vote for any of our two slayers to be lynched. I tried to lead a charge against Kraegor yesterday that did not work out so well so maybe he is a card carrying member of the circle.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:40 pm

the tally

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:53 pm

Silky wrote:so maybe he is a card carrying member of the circle.

Nope. I have also not been contacted by the circle, so I'm beginning to think the circle is dead.

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:55 pm

McNutt wrote:
Silky wrote:so maybe he is a card carrying member of the circle.
Nope. I have also not been contacted by the circle, so I'm beginning to think the circle is dead.

I meant Kraegor. Sorry for not being more clear. If the circle is dead then Tru1cy is lying. Fortunately I do not believe he is lying.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:59 pm

I haev doubts about Truicy, but not enough to vote for him yet.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:25 pm

Yeah interesting. We haven't heard from the circle for a while and now tru1cy is claiming to be in the in. Thats a dangerous game to play. With so little time left if the circle was still alive and didn't talk they could easily have been picked off. Im not sure what to make of that.. Is it a last play by the slayer tru1cy.. a slayer feeding tru1cy.. or neither... I don't know... but we don't have much time left to make a decision.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:35 pm

We have 8 players and only one slayer left; we're doing pretty well for ourselves so far, I think. While nothing's a given, I think the odds are on our side right now. Unless it was down to about 3 players left, I can't see a slayer coming out as a false something or another; his best bet is probably just to lay low and hope he doesn't draw attention.

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:37 pm

I think that we can rule out "a slayer feeding tru1cy". He said he was waiting on confirmation from someone so that leads me to believe there are 3 members of the inner circle at least.

Now what is possible is "a last play by the slayer tru1cy" but I do not think it likely. The slayers are down but not out. They just have to wait around for 2 more days. This sort of stuff would be dangerous at best. They have no more fodder left to feel out if there are any IC members left.

What in my mind is the most likely is that Tru1cy speaks the truth.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:39 pm

I haven't discussed this with the circle, but I will try to layout some general knowledge that won't lead directly to the people I'm trying to protect.

The circle doesn't have a majority this is why secrecy is still being used.

Prior to me being scanned Lord Mortis was scanned, but died on the same turn.

Circle is concerned about Silky cause he's a known innocent that hasn't been killed by the slayer.

I'm going to hold my vote for Silky for the time being unless we decide to go in another direction

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:42 pm

tru1cy wrote: Circle is concerned about Silky cause he's a known innocent that hasn't been killed by the slayer.

contradictory logic. if he's a known innocent, why does the circle wanna lynch him?

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:46 pm

Yeah its a real bitch when you are trying to be slayed but remain safe each night. Remind me after this game to send rude pics to whoever turns out to be the last remaining slayer.

It would be the most wonderful deception of all if I turned out to be the hunter. Well... no it would be the most wonderful deception of all if I turned out to be the last slayer. Seeing as that would have involved me and Bakhtosh forging about 10 fairly lengthly PM's.

But I am dangerous if I am a slayer and fully understand the IC's decision to get rid of a potentially huge problem. If not this turn when sort of thing.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:51 pm

Kraegor wrote:
tru1cy wrote: Circle is concerned about Silky cause he's a known innocent that hasn't been killed by the slayer.
contradictory logic. if he's a known innocent, why does the circle wanna lynch him?

Sorry, Silky was scanned, but ChaosRaven initiated contact with Silky without the tracker scanning him. They are a bit concerned that he is still alive after helping CR in his gambit. From my understanding Silky was given the code, but doesn't know who is in the circle. A scan wasn't going to be wasted on someone that was going to be killed by a slayer

When I say known innocent I meant helped CR and the Circle out the baddies

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:53 pm

tru1cy wrote:
Kraegor wrote:
tru1cy wrote: Circle is concerned about Silky cause he's a known innocent that hasn't been killed by the slayer.
contradictory logic. if he's a known innocent, why does the circle wanna lynch him?

Sorry, Silky wasn't scanned, but ChaosRaven initiated contact with Silky without the tracker scanning him. They are a bit concerned that he is still alive after helping CR in his gambit. From my understanding Silky was given the code, but doesn't know who is in the circle. A scan wasn't going to be wasted on someone that was going to be killed by a slayer

When I say known innocent I meant helped CR and the Circle out the baddies

That's what I get for typing so fast

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:30 pm

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:36 pm

Well come on fellas lets get the show on the road.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:03 pm

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:18 pm

yeah things have seemed to bottom out.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:32 pm

Okay then. Let's go with Mr. Bubbles.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:40 pm

the tally

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:20 pm

I withdraw McNutt He is no fun anymore.

I have a new top suspect. Someone I hope is more feisty. Let me introduce you to Cesare

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:21 am

Code: Select all

  Kraegor acc Ralph-Wiggum(1)
  Kraegor wd Ralph-Wiggum(0)
Kraegor acc tru1cy(1)-
tru1cy acc Silky(1)-
  Silky acc McNutt(1)
McNutt acc Mr Bubbles(1)-
  Silky wd McNutt(0)-
Silky acc Cesare(1)-

Against tru1cy(1): Kraegor
Against Silky(1): tru1cy
Against Mr Bubbles(1): McNutt
Against Cesare(1): Silky

Votes required for majority: 5

No vote registered:

Austin, Cesare, Mr Bubbles, Ralph-Wiggum

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:49 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:yeah things have seemed to bottom out.

that generally happens when the slayers squish all the padders.

<crickets>

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:01 am

Austin
Cesare
Kraegor
McNutt
Mr Bubbles
Ralph-Wiggum
Silky
tru1cy

So here we are.. One of us is a slayer. It can't be that hard to find.

Looks like we have the ability to miss 3 more times.

And it looks like none of us are off the hook..

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:03 am

Silky wrote:I withdraw McNutt He is no fun anymore.

I have a new top suspect. Someone I hope is more feisty. Let me introduce you to Cesare

At the risk of looking bad I'm gonna vote Cesare. We need everyone to be active everyday. Austin is on vacation.. what is your excuse.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:04 am

Ok, well I guess it's time for me to vote. I'm not really convinced that this person is guilty (mainly due to how he's helped us), but I keep coming back to the fact that he hasn't been killed yet as a known contact with the "inner circle". Plus, looking back through some older posts (pre-Bakhtosh's death), I found at least a couple of examples where he supported, or at least agreed with, Orinoco's questionable logic.

For those reasons, and mainly since I've got no one better to vote for, I'll vote to lynch silky.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:06 am

Hmmm can you point me to the Silky posts. I might switch my vote if what you are saying is true.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:18 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:Hmmm can you point me to the Silky posts. I might switch my vote if what you are saying is true.

Listen - I'm not trying to convince anyone. I don't want to be responsible if silky's another innocent.

Here and here are two such posts. In both, Orinoco gives (IMO) questionable advice and silky agrees with him. I haven't looked further back than those posts, though. And just agreeing with something doesn't necessarily mean guilt. I'm sure I agreed with Bakhtosh at some point in the game.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:36 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Listen - I'm not trying to convince anyone. I don't want to be responsible if silky's another innocent.

Here and here are two such posts. In both, Orinoco gives (IMO) questionable advice and silky agrees with him. I haven't looked further back than those posts, though. And just agreeing with something doesn't necessarily mean guilt. I'm sure I agreed with Bakhtosh at some point in the game.

interesting.... kissed any swords lately?

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:39 am

Maybe Ralph is talking about my conversations with Orinoco on page 28 and 29. I would like to point out two things about this.

The one on page 28: I had just gotten finished lighting into LM for the better part of 2 pages. Orinoco said it was time to lay off of him. I agreed.

The one on page 29: I already knew at the time what the status of CR was. It was a way to get some dialog and discussion going. I have done that a lot this game.

Look all, the bottom line is this. Tru1cy said the IC would like me lynched for whatever reason. I think it is in the villages best interests at this point to put their trust in them. If I turn out to be innocent it doesn't change anything. Hopefully they will have another night to scan.