Blood Sucking Freaks Redux. Fin.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:23 am

So let's see... Kraegor was innocent. pr0ner was innocent.

Chaosraven - Hunter

FTWalker - Garlic?

Lassr - Twin?

PR_GMR - Twin?

Austin - Seer?

triggercut - Innocent?

IF AUSTIN IS THE SEER - FTWalker is Garlic. triggercut is innocent, and therefore Remus was a Twin that PR_GMR and Lassr had murdered to let them play Twins ever since. Because there is at least a Master and possible Convert. There is no other way for PR_GMR and Lassr to be anything else (such as Master and unconverted Twin... the unconverted would not ally with a Vampire to perpetrate such a ruse, nor could they be innocent Twins. Austin claims to have scanned FTWalker, Triggercut, meanwhile I have proven to be the Hunter, and this premise is based on him being the Seer)

IF AUSTIN IS THE MASTER - anyone could have been converted. Because we cannot trust his "scans" and we cannot trust Bakhtosh's scans.

IF AUSTIN IS THE BERSERKER - the Master could be triggercut or FTWalker. Austin could have been converted Night One or the night he scanned "FTWalker". He could have been unconverted and is either lying about scanning FTWalker or the results thereof.
If he was converted Night One we cannot trust FTWalker or triggercut.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:24 am

DO NOT VOTE FOR AUSTIN

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:26 am

Ok, so we have:

Chaosraven
Austin
Triggercut
Lassr
PR_GMR

yeah this sucks.

FTWalker · Post by **FTWalker** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:26 am

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:26 am

Austin wrote:Chaos must vote for either me, or one of the 'twins'. He votes for me and the village loses, he votes for the wrong twin and the village loses.

Lassr asks me why I'd even want to scan. Interesting question for such an analytical sort. Why would I want to scan? Hmmm... what happens if we lynch the Berserker today? I have a scan result. Anyone want to see it? What do you think it will say Lassr?

(might be a double post due to forum crapouts)

yea, that is correct but of course you do not have the ability to scan so whatever.

The question is are you the beserker or is triggercut or even PR_GMR.
My guess is the vampires would not convert you, you re too high profile. You'd convert a lower profile player and have them lay low until the end of the game when they can go beserk. That would be triggercut (my guess). Could be PR_GMR but I believe it is triggercut as of now.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:28 am

I think I've been set up.

It never occurred to me why Austin would scan me before CR, or Lassr, or PR, or Kraegor, or pr0ner, or especially Bakhtosh.

The answer is obvious, at least to me. I'm the insurance policy in late game. You see me as one of Austin's scan targets, and you think "Those fellows are in cahoots".

Not so much. I feel sort of silly, because I knew that something here didn't add up. It just didn't feel right, and there was always a nagging feeling that they'd taken down our seer early on. I think that was Remus. I think that's obvious now. Newcastle wouldn't have gone to the stake silently if he were the seer.

All I can think now is that way back on the first night, the vamps did a blind conversion, and struck gold by getting a twin. Think about it, here's the game breakdown on night one:

2 vamps, 6 powered villagers, 5 unpowered villagers. If the vamps chose blindly on night one, they had a 6 of 11 chance of converting a powered villager, vs. only a 5 of 11 chance of getting an innocent.

That's where I'm at in my thinking right now.

For now, stake Austin.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:28 am

Chaosraven wrote:DO NOT VOTE FOR AUSTIN

Ok.

Withdraw Austin.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:31 am

Chaos I believe it is up to you unless triggercut goes against the master, assuming my twin is innocent.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:32 am

Austin must be one of the two originals OR

PR and/or Lassr are original and zerker

FTWalker couldn't be a vamp, I don't think. I believe Ralph stated that the vamps couldn't "self kill".

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:32 am

triggercut wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:DO NOT VOTE FOR AUSTIN
Ok.

Withdraw Austin.

wait, too late! I don't think we can withdraw after the majority is met.

It looks like we have 1 vampire voting against his master. WHich one?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:38 am

Lassr wrote:
triggercut wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:DO NOT VOTE FOR AUSTIN
Ok.

Withdraw Austin.
wait, too late! I don't think we can withdraw after the majority is met.

It looks like we have 1 vampire voting against his master. WHich one?

Ay carumba.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:41 am

triggercut wrote:
Lassr wrote:
triggercut wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:DO NOT VOTE FOR AUSTIN
Ok.

Withdraw Austin.
wait, too late! I don't think we can withdraw after the majority is met.

It looks like we have 1 vampire voting against his master. WHich one?
Ay carumba.

that screw up may save the day for the village! You could be a hero...if you are not the last vampire.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:45 am

The votes came quickly and furiously, despite a plea to hold off. Austin was dragged to the platform. He struggled against the villagers pinning him down. With one swift motion, a stake was drilled into his heart.

Austin quivered violently. And then his body lay still. The villagers looked at each other dejectedly and turned away. But then, all of a sudden, a loud screech blasted through the air. The spun around just in time to see Austin's body blazing. Within seconds, nothing but ashes remained. Austin was a vampire.

It is Night.

Those that need me to send PMs can send them now.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:46 am

OMFG WTFBBQ???????

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:48 am

Ok... I hope whichever one of you is the Berserker kills me right now cause I can't it.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:48 am

Ok... I hope whichever one of you is the Berserker kills me right now cause I can't take it.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:48 am

Ok. now let's not get hasty in the next round. Vote for the wrong one and the vampire jumps on that vote and we lose.

It's between PR_GMR, triggercut and me. I hope you believe me now.

I wished we could have seen what Austin said his scan was.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:51 am

Well, sweet. That works for me.

FTWalker · Post by **FTWalker** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:53 am

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:55 am

BLOODY HELL!!! Austin was a damn vamp!!

This means... it's between Triggercut and Lassr.

I swear on The Queen that I'm innocent. It's one of these two!

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:55 am

Aye, I'm all for not being hasty.

As it is, I have to go to work now, but should be around for a few this afternoon.

Then I'll be back tonight. Unless something odd happens, I hope we don't move too quickly here, as there are a few salient points I'd like to bring up before the vampires reveal their hand.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:56 am

Austin wrote: I have a scan result. Anyone want to see it? What do you think it will say Lassr?

Wish I knew now...although it may have swayed triggercuts vote. Care to share from the grave vampy.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:57 am

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:57 am

Chaosraven, if you see this in time, my brother in innocence. Please work out the odds of either Trigger or Lassr being vamps. One of us will die tonight.. if it's meant to be you, at least you can give one final analysis to help the village!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:57 am

Lassr wrote:Ok. now let's not get hasty in the next round. Vote for the wrong one and the vampire jumps on that vote and we lose.

It's between PR_GMR, triggercut and me. I hope you believe me now.

I wished we could have seen what Austin said his scan was.

Based on who he addressed his Post to, I imagine he was going to say you were the Berserker.

So we kill you, leaving Austin, PR_GMR, Triggercut, and Myself for tonight/tomorrow.
If you are not the berserker Austin and (X) win (2 versus 1 after the night kill)
If you are the Berserker, then it leaves Austin and 2 of us (one goes boom). Austin kills one of us and the Berserker wins after killing one at night (1 versus 1 come daytime)

The really crappy thing is that by giving us the Berserker we would have lost.

I believe either Remus or Triggercut was the Seer.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:59 am

Please please please please kill me.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:00 am

Chaosraven wrote:
Lassr wrote:Ok. now let's not get hasty in the next round. Vote for the wrong one and the vampire jumps on that vote and we lose.

It's between PR_GMR, triggercut and me. I hope you believe me now.

I wished we could have seen what Austin said his scan was.
Based on who he addressed his Post to, I imagine he was going to say you were the Berserker.

So we kill you, leaving Austin, PR_GMR, Triggercut, and Myself for tonight/tomorrow.
If you are not the berserker Austin and (X) win (2 versus 1 after the night kill)
If you are the Berserker, then it leaves Austin and 2 of us (one goes boom). Austin kills one of us and the Berserker wins after killing one at night (1 versus 1 come daytime)

The really crappy thing is that by giving us the Berserker we would have lost.

I believe either Remus or Triggercut was the Seer.

Er, Austin was just staked.. and Trig is still alive. This post doesn't make any sense. Analysis, Chaosraven pronto! Before we die!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:02 am

PR_GMR wrote:BLOODY HELL!!! Austin was a damn vamp!!

This means... it's between Triggercut and Lassr.

I swear on The Queen that I'm innocent. It's one of these two!

in case I die tonight. This bothers me brother.

You act surprised but as a twin you KNEW Austin had to be the vampire.
Could not be the 2 of us. Could not be me and triggercut since he was scanned innocent by Austin. Could only be Austin & triggercut, Austin and PR-GMR or Austin and lassr.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:05 am

Chaosraven wrote:[

The really crappy thing is that by giving us the Berserker we would have lost.

True which is why I'm kind of glad he died before he revealed. What if he gave us the REAL beserker but said he was the master. We lynch, he beserks, we lose.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:06 am

PR_GMR wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
Lassr wrote:Ok. now let's not get hasty in the next round. Vote for the wrong one and the vampire jumps on that vote and we lose.

It's between PR_GMR, triggercut and me. I hope you believe me now.

I wished we could have seen what Austin said his scan was.
Based on who he addressed his Post to, I imagine he was going to say you were the Berserker.

So we kill you, leaving Austin, PR_GMR, Triggercut, and Myself for tonight/tomorrow.
If you are not the berserker Austin and (X) win (2 versus 1 after the night kill)
If you are the Berserker, then it leaves Austin and 2 of us (one goes boom). Austin kills one of us and the Berserker wins after killing one at night (1 versus 1 come daytime)

The really crappy thing is that by giving us the Berserker we would have lost.

I believe either Remus or Triggercut was the Seer.
Er, Austin was just staked.. and Trig is still alive. This post doesn't make any sense. Analysis, Chaosraven pronto! Before we die!

Because you and Lassr claim to be twins, and at least one of you IS still a twin, if not both.

Triggercut could be the berserker and have been the Seer before conversion.

Remus could have been the seer and been killed if the scanned him and found out on night one.
Remus is a good choice to check.

Nobody else claimed to be the Seer except a pair of Freakin' Vampires.

So he's dead. Or he was Triggercut and triggercut is converted.

Crap.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:07 am

Could it be?.... Could it be that Austin was indeed the Seer--having scanned Trig as innocent--then been converted by Lassr? Or have Austin and Trig been 'in cahoots', as the bloody americans would put it?!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:14 am

PR_GMR wrote:Could it be?.... Could it be that Austin was indeed the Seer--having scanned Trig as innocent--then been converted by Lassr? Or have Austin and Trig been 'in cahoots', as the bloody americans would put it?!

uh, how can I convert Austin if I'm a twin. If Austin was converted he would have berserked. I would have to be the one that was converted. I'm sad, I think we found our last vampire.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:15 am

But I'm not 100% positive, he could just be confused for real.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:20 am

Obviously the last Vampire IS the Berserker and was Converted.

But the crappy part is my gut tells me it is PR_GMR.

He's the only one not from my "Bumbling" lists.

Lassr, PR_GMR, would the two of you please share your conversations with the world. Only one of you can be a Vampire. How did you suggest to each other who to vote for? Perhaps a pattern can be found there.

If there is no pattern it may point more to triggercut.

But I sincerely doubt it was triggercut

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:24 am

Chaosraven wrote:Obviously the last Vampire IS the Berserker and was Converted.

But the crappy part is my gut tells me it is PR_GMR.

He's the only one not from my "Bumbling" lists.

Lassr, PR_GMR, would the two of you please share your conversations with the world. Only one of you can be a Vampire. How did you suggest to each other who to vote for? Perhaps a pattern can be found there.

If there is no pattern it may point more to triggercut.

But I sincerely doubt it was triggercut

IS it kosher to post PMs in this game? I know it wasn't in others. Just will take a while to paraphrase everything.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:25 am

The reason I doubt it was Triggercut is that by Offing the Master, it gave the Village a chance.

Of course, by that same logic both of you voted for Austin right off.

This was an odd play.

Why wouldn't the Berserker stand forth to be staked?

five of us. berserker goes boom. three of us, one is the master.
master kills and wins in a one on one contest.
five of us. the two vampires choose a nonvampire target (adding the pair of irrevocable votes after one of the three of us votes for a nonvampire), then there are four of us... berserker and master win against a single remaining villager after nightly kill.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:27 am

Lassr wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Obviously the last Vampire IS the Berserker and was Converted.

But the crappy part is my gut tells me it is PR_GMR.

He's the only one not from my "Bumbling" lists.

Lassr, PR_GMR, would the two of you please share your conversations with the world. Only one of you can be a Vampire. How did you suggest to each other who to vote for? Perhaps a pattern can be found there.

If there is no pattern it may point more to triggercut.

But I sincerely doubt it was triggercut
IS it kosher to post PMs in this game? I know it wasn't in others. Just will take a while to paraphrase everything.

In general is it never ok/kosher/allowed, although people have pointed out that they can be faked, so even a "quoted" PM isn't guaranteed.

I guess what I'm asking for is a synopsis from EACH of you on who suggested protocols for responses, voting, target of accusation, etc.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:40 am

Night ended quickly. The remaining villagers gathered together at the center of town. Once again, one person was missing. They didn't even bother checking out his house because they knew what they would find inside. Chaosraven had been killed the night before.

Today was the final day. It would determine who would control the town - good or evil. 3 villagers. One vampire. But who was it?

It is Day.

A majority of 2 is needed.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:46 am

alright, I've made notes from all the PMs, here it is in rough form.

I say I suspect Genghis and Austin.

He says he is suspicious of Bakhtosh. but asks if he should change his vote to Genghis.

I tell him it's his call that I probably will go with genghis.

<tru1cy ends up lynched>

He starts suspecting proner. Kraegor #2 on his list.
the says FTWalker and proner are looking like vamps.

then goes to Newcastle.

He thinks Bakhtosh, Austin and triggercut are innocent because they said they would not vote for Genghis.

votes for proner.

points to kraegor's bullshit wagon post and says he look suspicious.
kraegor steers vote away from proner. he thinks those 2 are vamps.

starts suspecting Chaosraven.

I tell him I think it's Austin and Bakhtosh or a least one of them,
he says I may be right.

He's back to Chaosraven and Bakhtosh.

doesn't trust Bakhtosh.

then he starts a series of pm asking to clarify what is going on after everyone started revealing themselves. What's this business with the beserker.

Chaos has to stake as a hunter for him to trust you.

triggercut has to be the other since Austin said he was innocent.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:06 pm