Blood Sucking Freaks Redux. Fin.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:14 pm

(With Chaosraven's unavoidable death, PR realizes the fate of the village may just rest on his shoulders.)

Bloody hell, I must bring out my Berzerker vampire gear!

(PR takes off his Oxford Vest and his Dandy pants. He puts on his dark grey vampire killer suit (TM PR_GMR) He then brings out 'The Ultimate Vampire Killer' weapon--a huge contraption which shoots out a big-ass sharpened stake which would leave a huge hole in the chest of whatever vamp gets staked with it.)

I am now ready! Oh wait.. not yet--

(PR puts on a top hat.. and a monocle.)

Now I'm ready.

(PR rushes to the town square.)

Chaosraven's final post has given me the clarity I needed. In asking for both of Lassr and me to share our PMs, and having Lassr post, Chaos has cleared out who the last vamp is.

God help us! May the Queen survive!

(PR starts aiming his contraption between Trigercut and Lassr.)

(PR shoots at....)

Trigercutt

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:03 pm

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:19 pm

<analyzing>

triggercut, can I hear your take on the situation. Think you said earlier you would give it.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:47 pm

I do have some input, and I appreciate Lassr for waiting for it. It may win the game for the village.

I cannot give a thoroughly ironclad reason for the other innocent villager to believe me. I can give a very good preponderance of evidence, though.

I've given this a lot of analysis, and studied through the thread 2-3 times, knowing now what we know.

For starters, I think we can attribute some remarkable cleverness and deviousness to our Vampire team, much as it pisses me off to admit it!

Austin and Bakhtosh are experienced and well-versed in these games, and I'd feel worse for being played like a cheap fiddle, if they hadn't also sucked in so many other players here.

They had a very good plan to spring when the inevitable call for Powereds to reveal themselves came out.

For me to have been a vampire, though, there would have to be some major gaffes going on. The most glaring is that I cannot imagine the vampires to have conceived, in their wildest notions, that Austin's ruse would've worked for as many turns as it did. I think they fully expected him to be exposed by the second turn following his "reveal", and then expected anyone associated with him to also be stake bait.

Go read back through the posts on that reveal day. What you have there is a whole massive load of distrust for Austin, even as we followed his lead into staking Bakhtosh. That doubt was to be expected, and as villagers we *should* have followed it up with *more* doubt. When he switched from his "scan" of pr0ner to FTWalker, that should've been a huge red flag, and I'm embarrassed we didn't call him on it. I felt uneasy about it, and something definitely seemed wrong about it...but I didn't call him on it. None of us did.

So yeah, the original plan looks to have been: Austin plays the seer card. They have a Twin converted from day one. They use the evil twin to assure the innocent one, and when Austin is revealed to be a fraud, he and everyone associated with his initial "reveal" is stake bait. I guess I got picked over pr0ner and kraegor; I suppose it beats getting killed early on by the slayers in the other game, but not by much!

At any rate, that play figured to give the remaining vamp/twin time to simply whittle the village down to a nub, and then reveal his perfidy. Problem is, FTWalker saved the day by thwarting the attack on himself. Now the play is a little in doubt.

BUT....none of that explains why I'm not the berzerker vamp. This might. In all those plans and contingencies the Vampires made, it makes no sense for the vamp claiming to be the seer to be anything but the Zerker vamp. The vamps had to know--especially with Chaos promising to shoot someone--that whomever claimed to be the seer would eventually be staked. That vamp *should've* been the Zerker. Problem though: they'd converted a Twin. If Lassr says he's the Seer, PR knows better, because they've been communicating as Twins. If PR says he's the Seer, Lassr knows better.

In other words, that's the one fly in the ointment of a brilliant play. If I'm an innocent villager, converted to Berzerker, I claim to be Seer and Austin claims to be a mere innocent, and this game would already be over with a vamp win. It isn't, because the vamps couldn't play it that way due to their convert being a twin.

So, I'm left with thinking either Lassr or PR is the zerker/Evil Twin. While it is entirely possible that Lassr is playing me like a danged fiddle, I'm leaning towards PR.

I note:

1. He voted first to stake pr0ner, then Austin (which was a no-brainer, vamp had to give him up), and now me.

2. As stated elsewhere, he's never played the bad guy side in one of these games. Seems like he'd be a perfect convert if the vamps were flying blind on day one.

3. His role-playing voice. He sort of dropped it midgame, but now that we're to the final denouement, he's picked it up again, as if to remind us of his role as "investigator" in another game. That's pretty meta, but it seems suspicious to me.

What I cannot counter is that PR and Lassr can both PM one another impassioned pleas of innocence along the lines of "I PROMISE on a stack of bibles, I'm not the Zerker..." I got no appeals to emotion, just some evidence and analysis.

I'm inclined to distrust PR, but I would love to have PR and Lassr go back through their PM's received from the other player to see if they detect anything inconsistent or particularly fangy.

For now, no vote from me. I'll be back in a few hours.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:04 pm

triggercut wrote: BUT....none of that explains why I'm not the berzerker vamp. This might. In all those plans and contingencies the Vampires made, it makes no sense for the vamp claiming to be the seer to be anything but the Zerker vamp. The vamps had to know--especially with Chaos promising to shoot someone--that whomever claimed to be the seer would eventually be staked. That vamp *should've* been the Zerker. Problem though: they'd converted a Twin. If Lassr says he's the Seer, PR knows better, because they've been communicating as Twins. If PR says he's the Seer, Lassr knows better.

In other words, that's the one fly in the ointment of a brilliant play. If I'm an innocent villager, converted to Berzerker, I claim to be Seer and Austin claims to be a mere innocent, and this game would already be over with a vamp win. It isn't, because the vamps couldn't play it that way due to their convert being a twin.

excellent point.

Right now all the signs seem to point to PR_GMR. The only reason I could give to vote for triggercut would be a gut feeling that Austin and you cooked up this whole voting against Austin theme before hand. And I can't dismiss that possibility. Austin is a devious bastard (said with respect). But I can't get past all the things that has bothered me about PR_GMR since the revealing of roles started.

I'm having flashbacks of sending Zurai to the wrong house and boom we lose or of Austin and Grund manipulating me to a loss.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:09 pm

That came out more convoluted that I meant to.

The crux of it is this: Austin should've been the Zerker vamp. I think Chaosraven saw this, and as such that's why he tried to put the brakes on our rush to stake Austin. The vamps had to know that their purported "Seer" would be the one to face the stake first, and it only makes sense for him to be a zerker. Chaos figured this out before I did; he's smarter than me and more experienced a player.

....and then Austin wasn't the zerker. There has to be a reason for that. I think that reason should lay to rest suspicion on me. As an innocent, I could be the Zerker and claim any role and it would've worked. But the actual zerker couldn't claim the Seer role because he'd already revealed himself as a twin, and had another twin along who would see through the ruse.

Honestly, I think I was due to be killed until FTWalker thwarted the attack. When that happened, I think I was kept alive as plan "B", the patsy to take the fall for being associated for no action on my own with Austin.

I"ll make my vote in a little while. I'd like, again, to see if Lassr or PR can glean any nuggets of inconsistency or oddness in PM's received from the other.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:25 pm

Lassr, I am innocent. If I had a H.G. Wells time machine, you would most certainly see this. Killing me means dooming the village.

Don't let this wanker blind you with lengthy posts.

I ask this... If Lassr were the Zerker vamp and Trig innocent.. and Ialready cast my vote for Trig.. all Lassr must do is cast a vote for Trig and it's game over. Trig gets lynched, and I die overnight.

But Lassr is dragging his feet in voting.. Why? Because he's innocent as I am.

If Trig is the Zerker vampire, if we lynch him... He goes up in flames and takes one of us, Lassr.. but at least one of us survives and saves the village!

Neither Baktosh nor Austin were the Zerker vampire.. Trig's assestment, though well-written, lies!

Bloody hell.. This is nerve-wracking.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:28 pm

triggercut wrote:That came out more convoluted that I meant to.

The crux of it is this: Austin should've been the Zerker vamp. I think Chaosraven saw this, and as such that's why he tried to put the brakes on our rush to stake Austin. The vamps had to know that their purported "Seer" would be the one to face the stake first, and it only makes sense for him to be a zerker. Chaos figured this out before I did; he's smarter than me and more experienced a player.

....and then Austin wasn't the zerker. There has to be a reason for that. I think that reason should lay to rest suspicion on me. As an innocent, I could be the Zerker and claim any role and it would've worked. But the actual zerker couldn't claim the Seer role because he'd already revealed himself as a twin, and had another twin along who would see through the ruse.

Honestly, I think I was due to be killed until FTWalker thwarted the attack. When that happened, I think I was kept alive as plan "B", the patsy to take the fall for being associated for no action on my own with Austin.

I"ll make my vote in a little while. I'd like, again, to see if Lassr or PR can glean any nuggets of inconsistency or oddness in PM's received from the other.

Made sense to me,
but I was confident that Austin was not the bezerker because I didn't feel he was a good conversion target because of his high profile. And what you said makes sense, they couldn't let the bezerker fake the seer because that would mean PR_GMR or me would have to do it and the other twin would then know his brother was a vamp.

All the things that have bothered me about PR_GMR has been posted.
The big one was the shock he displayed when Austin came up vamp because he had to know as I did that Austin HAD to be a vampire once proner was eliminated.

The other thing is, only a few times did he hint or joke that he thought I may be the other vampire. But he always said he trusted me as a brother and he couldn't go against me as a loyal brother. It was like he wanted the same favor in return. I started suspecting him and watching him after kraegor was staked. And mentioned to him several times that I know he could be a vamp. He seemed to always trust me.
Just odd.

I'm going to say stake PR_GMR and pray I'm right. I don't want to lose another one. But if we do lose I'd have to say it was a superb job by the vamps.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:30 pm

withdraw PR_GMR

he is finally defending himself. Let me think.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:36 pm

Regardless of what has happened before.. here's how things stand now:

Triggercut
PR_GMR
Lassr

One of these three is a vamp.

Here's the reasoning why Trig is the vampire:

Lassr is still deliberating! He's full of doubt. Why? Because he's innocent and wants what's best for the village. That there assures me he's innocent. I already voted for Trig.. if Trig was innocent and Lassr a vampire, then Lassr would have just jumped on that lynch vote and it would have been game over. But no...

Why would I've been converted? As Trig points, I've never played a bad guy in these games. I've never been the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to these games because I don't do the amount of meta-gaming/uber-analyzing unlike players like Chaosraven and Grundbegriff. (and in this game, Austin, the bastage). The vamps wouldn't want me because they would be afraid I would screw their plan or just reveal them.

On the other hand, Trig is well-spoken and very analytical, he would be perfect for a conversion.. And Austin did protect him after all by giving a false read-out that he was innocent!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:51 pm

I know you lurkers in the know are sitting there screaming at the monitor who to vote for but I can't hear you!

Do I vote for the obvious or the trickiest? Trickiest always seems to be the vampire but if I went triggercut and it was PR_GMR then I would just have to kick my own ass.

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:00 pm

I am pulling up two buckets of popcorn. BTW I have no idea who is who but this is one interesting game.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:11 pm

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:12 pm

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:25 pm

Well, I've got a dinner rush starting soon, so I guess I better put a vote out there and stop equivocating.

Luckily, Lassr has made it easy to do so.

First off, why I will vote the way I vote:

1. PR has had every chance to present some analysis of why he's innocent and Lassr is the guilty one. He hasn't. He's appealed to an "aw shucks, I'm just good ol' folks" thing, and it just sounds like classic villain monologuing. In addition, he notes that Lassr is "deliberating", thus meaning his Good Twin hasn't voted....even though I didn't register a vote yet in this thread, and asked both Twins to give me some input. I got nothing from PR of any substance regarding the possibility--however remote--that Lassr was a vamp. I believe that to be because the real Zerker Vamp would fail to recognize such communication....

2. But none of that matters. For a brief second, Lassr cast a vote for PR. If Lassr were a vamp, he could have cast a vote against me, and thus the vampires would have won the game right there with my staking. Instead, he chose not to. That indisputably proves his innocence here, and makes PR_GMR the only choice by logic for me to make.

The logic and evidence seem clear here, finally. Stake PR_GMR, as the last Vampire.

FWIW, this is by far the most balanced and enjoyable ruleset I've ever played under. That it comes down to three of us is just wonderful. Great work Ralph. I'm off to work now. I hope for the village.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:29 pm

Crappy no edit rule!

I also meant to add under point #1, that PR_GMR's being the first to vote to take down a variety of innocents--including pr0ner especially--and now his urge to list me first without even remotely pausing to consider Lassr (who we now know is innocent, anyway) was what swayed me until I read Lassr's post and got confirmation.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:32 pm

He shouldn't have been surprised.

Lassr wrote:
PR_GMR wrote:BLOODY HELL!!! Austin was a damn vamp!!

This means... it's between Triggercut and Lassr.

I swear on The Queen that I'm innocent. It's one of these two!
in case I die tonight. This bothers me brother.

You act surprised but as a twin you KNEW Austin had to be the vampire.
Could not be the 2 of us. Could not be me and triggercut since he was scanned innocent by Austin. Could only be Austin & triggercut, Austin and PR-GMR or Austin and lassr.

Came up with a scenario that can't be true and he knows it.

Lassr wrote:
PR_GMR wrote:Could it be?.... Could it be that Austin was indeed the Seer--having scanned Trig as innocent--then been converted by Lassr? Or have Austin and Trig been 'in cahoots', as the bloody americans would put it?!
uh, how can I convert Austin if I'm a twin. If Austin was converted he would have berserked. I would have to be the one that was converted. I'm sad, I think we found our last vampire.

Lassr wrote: The other thing is, only a few times did he hint or joke that he thought I may be the other vampire. But he always said he trusted me as a brother and he couldn't go against me as a loyal brother. It was like he wanted the same favor in return. I started suspecting him and watching him after kraegor was staked. And mentioned to him several times that I know he could be a vamp. He seemed to always trust me.
Just odd.

Everything triggercut has done lately has helped the village or made sense(his suggestions and analysis and votes). He could have waited for Austin to release his "scan" info to help lynch me or PR_GMR and ensure a vampire win but he cast a quick kill vote even though he withdrew it at Chaos request.

I can't get away from those mistakes by PR_GMR. I feel I have to go with the obvious. If it's triggercut then I feel I was owned by some really good logical play by the vamps but if it's PR_GMR and I vote the other way then I'll just feel stupid.

I'm sorry brother, for all your loyalty I cannot return the favor.

stake PR_GMR

Now triggercut, it's up to you.

<I have sat here and hovered over the submit button for 10 minutes went back and read more info and I can't in my right mind change my vote>

Shit, here goes...

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:33 pm

and I see he posted while I was contemplating...

and the winner is...

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:35 pm

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:35 pm

2. But none of that matters. For a brief second, Lassr cast a vote for PR. If Lassr were a vamp, he could have cast a vote against me, and thus the vampires would have won the game right there with my staking. Instead, he chose not to. That indisputably proves his innocence here, and makes PR_GMR the only choice by logic for me to make.

my vote for you has already been cast.... If Lassr were a vamp, and you innocent. All Lassr needs to do is just bandwagon and vote for you. With you dead, Lassr kills me overnight. Game over.

I posted this above. How convenient that you say that I've not posted analysis when my last few posts have been exactly that--Analysis.

I know Lassr is innocent is by his vote-moderation. I'm proving my innocence indirectly here.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:37 pm

The village just lost.

It's been fun, my laddies.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:39 pm

That's just what a losing vampire would say.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:42 pm

dammit! Stop, I'm a nervous wreck now as it is! I don't even want to click on the thread to see what happens.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:42 pm

Might as well post this.. since I've not been officially lynched yet.. Ralphie sure be here any minute now:

Scanned
Austin - Innocent - Seer/Mage
Chaosraven - Innocent, scanned night 1 - Come out as the Hunter
Triggercut - Innocent, scanned night 2 - ?
Bakhtosh - Transforming Vampire - scanned night 3

Trigercutt claimed to have been scanned innocent on Night 1. He posted that twice in two separate posts in the past 6 pages or so.

Notice the question mark Austin puts right there by Trig's name.

He's the Berzerker.

Too late now.. I go to my death.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:44 pm

Darn the no edit rule. The passage quoted above is from Austin's.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:46 pm

Lassr wrote:dammit! Stop, I'm a nervous wreck now as it is! I don't even want to click on the thread to see what happens.

I predict your sleep tonight will be....

unquiet.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:48 pm

:binnky: The suspense is killing me. Oh wait that's the chunk of wood in my chest. Carry on.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:49 pm

triggercut wrote:
Lassr wrote:dammit! Stop, I'm a nervous wreck now as it is! I don't even want to click on the thread to see what happens.
I predict your sleep tonight will be....

unquiet.

I hope that's not what I think it means...

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:52 pm

Lassr wrote:
triggercut wrote:
Lassr wrote:dammit! Stop, I'm a nervous wreck now as it is! I don't even want to click on the thread to see what happens.
I predict your sleep tonight will be....

unquiet.
I hope that's not what I think it means...

Yes, it is what you think it means!

You... you... you...

DUMBASS!!!!!!

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:54 pm

Votes are locked, so I'm not sure there's any reason for the losing Vampire to continue baiting here.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:55 pm

triggercut wrote:Votes are locked, so I'm not sure there's any reason for the losing Vampire to continue baiting here.

Mother

!

You must be enjoying this... argh!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:04 pm

Gah! One of you is torturing me!

I've got to leave shortly and this will be eating at me until I can get back online and hopefully by then triggercut will not be eating at me.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:08 pm

Lassr wrote:Gah! One of you is torturing me!

I've got to leave shortly and this will be eating at me until I can get back online and hopefully by then triggercut will not be eating at me.

Oh, you gonna get eaten... You gonna get eaten for a long time!

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:14 pm

And the decision was made - PR_GMR needed to be staked. Lassr and Triggercut pulled PR_GMR to the platform while PR_GMR fought vigourously against them. "I'm not the vampire! How could you do this to your own brother, Lassr?". There was a twinge of doubt in Lassr's eyes, but his decision had been made.

With increased resolve they pinned PR_GMR down. Lassr picked up the last stake, gave PR_GMR one last look in the eye, and drove the stake through his heart. PR_GMR gave out a loud gasp and blood spurted everywhere. His body twitched and convulsed and then lay still.

Lassr turned to Triggercut. "Well that should be the end of it. We made it out alive".

"It is the end of it," Triggercut replied. " But all this work has made me thirsty. I think it's time for another drink."

With that he turned on Lassr and in one quick motion he sunk his fangs into Lassr's neck. For a brief moment, Lassr realized his mistake. But then the light faded from his eyes.

When all the blood had been drained from Lassr's body, Triggercut looked around. The village was his now but it was desolate. It was time to find a new feeding ground.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:18 pm

Well fuck. Excellent game you bastards.

Sorry brother...

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:23 pm

And the...

goes to Lassr!

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:37 pm

While I could somewhat see Lassr's rationalization for thinking Triggercut innocent (he does list some good reasons, after all), I think it's funny that Lassr decided that the person he communicated privately with the whole game was more likely a vampire than the relatively unknown player.

For what it's worth, PR_GMR, you didn't necessarily inspire confidence with all your posts over the last few days (with the exception of your last few posts before getting offed).

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:41 pm

Whatever.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:46 pm

PR_GMR, I think your problem was you were trying to convince Lassr was innocent to Lassr. You needed to spend more time on why you're innocent, Trig was guilty and less on how you knew Lassr was innocent because he could have killed Trig and then you. He already knew he was innocent.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:49 pm

http://bloodpudding.funforumgames.com/i ... ?board=1.0