Austin wrote:PR_GMR, I think your problem was you were trying to convince Lassr was innocent to Lassr. You needed to spend more time on why you're innocent, Trig was guilty and less on how you knew Lassr was innocent because he could have killed Trig and then you. He already knew he was innocent.
I was so close to voting for triggercut. I had 2 windows open and 2 posts ready one against PR_GMR and one against triggercut.
The one for triggercut talked about how he switched to my side way too easily. Austin listing triggercut as innocent.
the withdrawal of the Austin vote after it was too late could be a play for my trust. But when I added it up PR_GMRs play was just too obvious to ignore. I couldn't get any good defense or info from him. His pointing out I was not a vampire didn't help me in my decision, it made me think again that he was trying to build that brother trust so I wouldn't vote for him.
But I chose poorly. Remember the rule go with the trickiest, I should have stuck with it.
I believe I commented earlier that it was the perfect plan and it was. We couldn't stake Austin until we were sure he wasn't the seer and triggercut's play to earn my trust was brilliant. I bow to your superiority...assholes.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
Austin wrote:PR_GMR, I think your problem was you were trying to convince Lassr was innocent to Lassr. You needed to spend more time on why you're innocent, Trig was guilty and less on how you knew Lassr was innocent because he could have killed Trig and then you. He already knew he was innocent.
That may be... but I think my major disadvantage with these games is that I'm always seen as a bad guy just because I roleplay. No one else roleplays. So people just suspect me by default. It's definetely a bias most players here have.
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PR_GMR wrote:
Why would I've been converted? As Trig points, I've never played a bad guy in these games. I've never been the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to these games because I don't do the amount of meta-gaming/uber-analyzing unlike players like Chaosraven and Grundbegriff. (and in this game, Austin, the bastage). The vamps wouldn't want me because they would be afraid I would screw their plan or just reveal them.
this is what made me almost switch. It made me think, why would they have chosen you since you had never been a bad guy and lacked experience.
I wish you had pushed this point on me more.
But hindsight is 20/20.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
Austin wrote:PR_GMR, I think your problem was you were trying to convince Lassr was innocent to Lassr. You needed to spend more time on why you're innocent, Trig was guilty and less on how you knew Lassr was innocent because he could have killed Trig and then you. He already knew he was innocent.
That may be... but I think my major disadvantage with these games is that I'm always seen as a bad guy just because I roleplay. No one else roleplays. So people just suspect me by default. It's definetely a bias most players here have.
I've come to expect it and that swayed my vote in no way.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
Arrrggghhhh. So close to pulling the wood off the fire. My first attempt at being Seer and I get scanned and eaten right away. I even thought about coming forward the first day since I figured I was to high profile to last long. Sigh. Not only do they kill me the village then goes and convinces the Hunter to shoot my only scan.
And I did not appreciate my password into the Vamp forum.
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do have to tip my cap off to the vamps. They played a stellar game. I honestly thought that Cr and Lassr were on the right trail in the last few days and that they were going to pull it out. Especially when FTwalker bought the village another day by the protection. Unfortunately iit was not to pass. It was well played by teh vamps. I honestly wouldnt feel bad, they sold a persuasive argument. I couldnt have nor did I do any better. Most of my top "innocent" choices were in fact vamps. I think what we learned from this game...lynch austin, just to be safe
the day leading up to "reveal your role gate" I believe I posted I thought either Austin or Bakhtosh or both were vampires. When the roles were revealed I honestly thought about trying to persuade Chaos to stake triggercut and then lynch Bakhtosh. I knew Bak was vamp but I thought Austin was too. Figured we could stake trigger and test Austin, but if trigger was innocent then it would be a wasted kill by chaos and prove nothing. Thought it was safer to go the other route. Shit.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
There were numerous high points and low points. It was far from a "perfect game" for either side.
For the vamps, we had a couple of bonehead plays. I think the village had a few unfortunate turns of card too.
From the beginning, from my perspective:
I come home from work, unaware that the game has started, to see a PM waiting from Austin. I'm a vamp this game, the zerker vamp, in fact. Chances are very solid that I'll be lynched early, I guess, so why not?
Day one takes for-ev-ah. Just drags and drags and drags. We almost have Genghis in the lynch, but I'm stupid and message Tosh and Austin that it'd be "awesome" if we could have a day 1 staking with only 2 of the 3 vamps voting for that person to throw off the vote analyzers. It looked like a stupid play at the time, but in reality the closeness of the vote causes Genghis to out himself as the Medium. Without being able to know who the Medium was, and being able to neutralize him, there ain't no way Austin can claim to be the seer.
Oh, also: night one scan of Remus. He's the seer. Ouch, village.
For no particular good reason, we end up lynching poor tru1cy on Day 1. Sorry dude. Night two, we get our kill of Remus in, and scan CR. Woot! He's the hunter! Day two dawns and drags on and on. I must admit when things really started rolling, I was at work. Imagine my surprise when Newcastle got the stake, because I sure didn't see it coming. Someone else will have to provide motive and context here. Night three we debate on whether to kill Genghis or CR. We decide on Genghis, to good and bad effect. The good is that it guarantees our ability to play seer if we want to. The bad is that this will be a pretty obvious play (or so it seems to us), plus it leaves Chaos in the game with his ability to take me out without me using my special Zerker ability.
Day 3, and Chaos nearly saves the village. Up 'til then, it looked pretty bleak for the opposition, and a perfect game was sort of in reach, maybe. But Chaos decides it's time for every Powered to out themselves. Silly thing is, as Vamps we'd discussed--briefly--how likely this was to occur...but we never came up with a contingency plan for when it happened. I was in a meeting when it all went down, so as minutes ticked into an hour with no response from anyone claiming Seerness, Austin finally piped up. Obviously, the right play was me piping in. The vamps absolutely, positively *blew it* here. Tosh counterclaims that he's the seer. Confusion reigns...
And, just when we're thinking that Chaos will do the unexpected and shoot me just to prove Austin's claim, he instead shoots Kraegor. Huge win for the vamps, as Kraegor wasn't believing anything I or Austin had to say, and was pushing and poking us into doing something dumb...which we probably might've well done. Instead, Kraegor dies as an innocent, but Tosh comes up Vampy, and the village is left thinking that maybe Austin really *is* the seer.
Then comes the night of reckoning. Victory is completely in the grasp of the vamps. At this point, all we need to do is this:
1. Kill the Garlic Dispenser, FTWalker
2. Have the "seer", Austin, claim he scanned pr0ner, and that he came up Vamp, and
3. Win.
Problem is, FTWalker won't be quiet about how he's sure gonna protect Austin. It was obvious, and remarked upon. I thought it to be fairly likely that Walker would self protect, but it didnt' add up. Night one he self-protected. Makes sense. Night 2 he protects our revealed Medium, Genghis. Night 3, his protect is secret. No reveals of role yet, so we thought it only made sense for him to have self-protected again, so on this pivotal night, he'd be ineligible for a self-protect. We talked about killing Chaos, we even mentioned PR_GMR (who we were already setting up and sowing seeds of doubt toward) as possible kill targets...but in the end we decided to go after FT himself...
...and that should've been game, set, match.
A weird thing happened, though. It was just me, Austin, PR, Lassr, and pr0ner posting. And, oddly enough, PR and then Lassr get on the "stake pr0ner" bandwagon. Austin is AFK, and I feel like my vote to stake leaves me dangling....so I pull it back....just as Austin votes to go ahead and stake. Ugh.
I pretend to not see Austin's vote, re-cast my own vote to stake, and before a sixth person can come in (Chaos, namely) to tell us to wait and take the heat of the moment away, poor pr0ner gets staked.
And that's when I figured the only play I had left was to throw Austin under the bus and hope I could sell a lie.
"It's my manner, sir. It looks insubordinate, but it isn't, really."
Of course, I was going to shoot PR_GMR if I didn't go with the villages decision.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Lassr wrote:the day leading up to "reveal your role gate" I believe I posted I thought either Austin or Bakhtosh or both were vampires. When the roles were revealed I honestly thought about trying to persuade Chaos to stake triggercut and then lynch Bakhtosh. I knew Bak was vamp but I thought Austin was too. Figured we could stake trigger and test Austin, but if trigger was innocent then it would be a wasted kill by chaos and prove nothing. Thought it was safer to go the other route. Shit.
Killing Triggercut would have been the right move. You prove me or disprove me while retaining the Seer/Mage/Whatever it's called.
You (Lassr) were on my butt from the start. I figured it was partially due to the game where Grund and I were villains. I was playing lowkey though. Poor me! Nobody believes I'm the Mage because I'm Canadian. I think I need to take a break for a while or just accept Night 1 kill status. Trigg has proven to be a most excellent villain though. Kill him!
If you check the bloodpudding link there was something I was itching to try. Basically I was thinking of putting out a rushed-looking ":oops:" PM post. Something along the lines of me telling Trigg to lay low because we had to be sure I was staked. It needed to be subtle enough to not reinforce me as the non-Zerk. It also needed to be a, "I'm heading out the door" thing to look rushed and accidental. The idea was to try and grab the quick panic impulse vote and pile on. Trig's idea worked better but it still would have been interesting to see if anyone would have bitten.
From: Chaosraven
To: Ralph-Wiggum
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:09 pm
Subject: my final guess
I believe it to be PR_GMR.
So it's probably Triggercut.
Next time some guy actin' like a Nervous n00b gets bent out of shape about my lists...
Well played guys.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Oh, and thank you guys for not leaving me in the driver seat on the last day.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
PR_GMR wrote:
That may be... but I think my major disadvantage with these games is that I'm always seen as a bad guy just because I roleplay. No one else roleplays. So people just suspect me by default. It's definetely a bias most players here have.
I don't think it was the role-playing that was the cause, but posts like this:
PR_GMR wrote:Could it be?.... Could it be that Austin was indeed the Seer--having scanned Trig as innocent--then been converted by Lassr? Or have Austin and Trig been 'in cahoots', as the bloody americans would put it?!
That logic just doesn't make sense in a number of ways. For one, you know that the vampire was converted on the first night. So Austin couldn't have had a scan and then been converted. Secondly, since Lassr is your brother, he also couldn't be the head vamp. It's possible he had been converted himself, but he couldn't have done the converting.
I'm not saying that confused posts like that are enough necessarily for people to think you're a vamp, but it's enough to place the seed of doubt. And it was eventually that seed of doubt that caused Lassr to lynch you rather than Triggercut (though, obviously, other factors played into it).
Rightly or wrongly, I have learned over the course of many games that any confusion about the ruleset is often viewed suspiciously.
In any case, I don't want you to think for a second that I'm suggesting that you're the cause for the village's loss. I think you played a pretty good game overall. In fact, you correctly deduced the truth and voted for the right people when it was most needed. That's really the best thing any player can hope to do in a game.
P.S. I loved it when Chaos and Lassr, almost immediately after each other, both correctly suggested that it's possible Austin was a fake seer and Triggercut was a converted.
Then it was like they both ignored their own ideas.
Lassr wrote:well, that makes me feel a little better that they duped the mighty Chaosraven too.
This is Chaosraving we are talking about. He always posts the correct theory of who the bad guys are at some point. Mostly because he posts every possible iteration of bad guys.
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Lassr wrote:well, that makes me feel a little better that they duped the mighty Chaosraven too.
This is Chaosraving we are talking about. He always posts the correct theory of who the bad guys are at some point. Mostly because he posts every possible iteration of bad guys.
maybe I should have put mighty in quotes.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
BTW, at some point can we talk about this rules-set?
FWIW, I think this is the most balanced and strategy-forward game I've played in.
I was originally thinking that we probably needed to have 2-4 more players to see these rules at their best: Same number of powered players on both sides....but with 2-4 more innocent villagers.
The one problem that would seem to make a great Day 1 strategy is: Every powered villager comes out right away. That gives them 6 votes to 3 vamps and 4 villagers willing to follow along. That sure sounds like the Villagers, with some skillful deduction and analysis, could just run the table by doing that.
I think having 15 or 17 (rather than the 13 in this game) would circumvent that strategy.
Having said that, though, 13 players with only 4 ultimately being unpowered means that *everyone* has to play right away. There's no "flying under the radar" here. With 13, there's a 60% initial chance that the scanning vamp will turn up a special, and that chance probably improves with some analysis and data collection. For the Seer, it's 67% at start, and again, probably improves with future turns.
Thoughts?
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I think any rule set that includes a scanner Vamp must have some sort of off-set for the Village. Maybe something that tells a special they have been scanned but not by whom, or which side? When we played and I was the scanner we uncovered the Hunter and killed him right away. My calls for the Hunter to shoot Newcastle who had been ID'd as the Beserker probably contributed to folks letting me slide in that game. Problem was I knew the Hunter was dead so I had no worries. Same thing with the Seer this game. Knowing exactly who they have and/or need to kill gives the Vamps a huge advantage.
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Remus West wrote:I think any rule set that includes a scanner Vamp must have some sort of off-set for the Village. Maybe something that tells a special they have been scanned but not by whom, or which side? .
That role, in essense, is meant to be occupied by the medium. Assuming that the vamps find a special and kill him the next night, the medium can then discover what role that player had (i.e. to prevent the fake seers and the like). Unfortunately, the medium in this game was killed very eartly, before he had a chance to do a scan.
I do think, however, that this game favored the vamps. In fact, if they hadn't tried the whole fake seer stuff I think they would've won in a walk. Part of that had to do with luck (i.e. scanning Remus the first night). But I think that the game would be more balanced if there were an additional 2 villagers or so. I think the original plan (that called for 4 vamps and 16 villagers) would have also worked a bit better.
As for the scanner vampire, what do you guys think about him having the exact same powers as the seer? That is, instead of learning the exact role of a player, he only learns special vs. non-special.
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:As for the scanner vampire, what do you guys think about him having the exact same powers as the seer? That is, instead of learning the exact role of a player, he only learns special vs. non-special.
I think that leaving the Seer the ability to detect type of Vamp while nerfing the Scanner Vamp to special/nonspecial would balance that role well.
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triggercut wrote:And, just when we're thinking that Chaos will do the unexpected and shoot me just to prove Austin's claim, he instead shoots Kraegor. Huge win for the vamps, as Kraegor wasn't believing anything I or Austin had to say, and was pushing and poking us into doing something dumb...which we probably might've well done. Instead, Kraegor dies as an innocent, but Tosh comes up Vampy, and the village is left thinking that maybe Austin really *is* the seer
I "thought" I would have monday to finish hashing out my theories. I was not expecting to show up for work dead already.....And htf anyone thought killing me would prove anything seemed ludicrous. Hell chaos even said He wasn't gonna kill me....then turns around and does it halfway down on the same page....GRRRRRR!!!!
I had Austin/Bahktosh linked. Their behavior screamed "dont kill the zerker!"
You (trig) otoh, I was uncertain of. I knew that if Austin was a liar... that made you a vamp. But FTWalker was always pushing the pr0ner/Kraegor 2008 ticket for Bahktosh...caused some confusion...then lassr hops on board....for crying out loud folks BAHKTOSH STARTED THE ASSOCIATION!!!!!!
heh. Least Austin died. For awhile there even after the ridiculous "oh i scanned FTWalker" incident I was expecting him to get a full walk.
One more thing I was glad nobody brought up. Again on the vampire forum I said if it's brought up, I'll avoid the forum until I get my scan target in. I should have been called to PM Chaosraven at night rather than scan. That right there would have exposed me for the fraud I was.
Kraegor wrote:
heh. Least Austin died. For awhile there even after the ridiculous "oh i scanned FTWalker" incident I was expecting him to get a full walk.
So angry. For what it's worth I had a chance to live. Actually if FTWalker hadn't stopped us we would have won with Chaosraven still alive at the end which was part of the plan so Tosh could get some licks in from Chaos comments about the last game. Yeah, Chaos we wanted to win with you alive.
Anyway, even with the 4 of us left, there was still a chance to win as Chaos might have voted PR_GMR. That would have been awesomer. Trig did what needed to be done and won us the game though. Although I guess now I wish I had of lived just to disrupt Kreagor's sleep at night. So when do I get to be on a team with Lassr and Kraegor?
Kraegor wrote:
I "thought" I would have monday to finish hashing out my theories. I was not expecting to show up for work dead already.....And htf anyone thought killing me would prove anything seemed ludicrous. Hell chaos even said He wasn't gonna kill me....then turns around and does it halfway down on the same page....GRRRRRR!!!!
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Sorry. I was sure about Bakhtosh and somewhat leary of Austin. I knew we had enough turns left to see if you or proner were the other vampires. It was the obvious choices IF Austin was the seer and PR_GMR had not been converted which at he time I did not think he had been.
Once we staked you and lynched proner and you were both innocent I knew Austin was a vampire and 95% positive it was triggercut...unfortunately he started making some very good points and PR_GMR made that error about me being the master which then changed my vote.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
Lassr wrote:well, that makes me feel a little better that they duped the mighty Chaosraven too.
This is Chaosraving we are talking about. He always posts the correct theory of who the bad guys are at some point. Mostly because he posts every possible iteration of bad guys.
Haven't I said exactly the same thing?
And yet people accuse me of claiming "I knew it! See! I had them pegged!"
Well of course... I provide evidence against every other player in the damned game, since *I*m the only one I know 100%.
Razzin'Frazzin' Kids.
And yet SOMEONE always manages to be disturbed that I do it.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Oh, for crying out loud, that stupid little list I made was just HYPOTHETICAL. I wasn't making any associations. I was just trying to get an idea of where the number of players we had fit into the roles that were left. People had been throwing around numbers like "if all the other powers are alive, then I'm the only innocent left." So I put up some hypothetical situations to see just how many innocents could be left.
I do agree that there were way too many specials and not enough innocents for this game.
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Bakhtosh wrote:Oh, for crying out loud, that stupid little list I made was just HYPOTHETICAL. I wasn't making any associations. I was just trying to get an idea of where the number of players we had fit into the roles that were left. People had been throwing around numbers like "if all the other powers are alive, then I'm the only innocent left." So I put up some hypothetical situations to see just how many innocents could be left.
I do agree that there were way too many specials and not enough innocents for this game.
HAH! you accused me/pr0ner of being the twins prior to that hypo list. Regardless it worked intentional or not. You managed to associate 2 innocents and convince everyone we were evil twins....Last time i try to save an innocent from the wolf wagon....
Austin wrote:One more thing I was glad nobody brought up. Again on the vampire forum I said if it's brought up, I'll avoid the forum until I get my scan target in. I should have been called to PM Chaosraven at night rather than scan. That right there would have exposed me for the fraud I was.
Oh and I am such an idiot...
I even pointed out that was an ability the Seer had in this game when you bad guys were talkin' about no PMs.
Holy crap.
Did all three of you talk about it and I let that clue slip by?
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Austin wrote:One more thing I was glad nobody brought up. Again on the vampire forum I said if it's brought up, I'll avoid the forum until I get my scan target in. I should have been called to PM Chaosraven at night rather than scan. That right there would have exposed me for the fraud I was.
Oh and I am such an idiot...
I even pointed out that was an ability the Seer had in this game when you bad guys were talkin' about no PMs.
Holy crap.
Did all three of you talk about it and I let that clue slip by?
cheese wizz....how many powers were there??? I assumed seer was vanilla seer...didn't know he could PM, levitate and summon water....
Kraegor wrote: Hell chaos even said He wasn't gonna kill me....then turns around and does it halfway down on the same page....GRRRRRR!!!!
I went with Majority Vote (though my gut of PR_GMR wouldn't have been any better)
I did note that my collection of "Innocent" had one too many in it.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Austin wrote:One more thing I was glad nobody brought up. Again on the vampire forum I said if it's brought up, I'll avoid the forum until I get my scan target in. I should have been called to PM Chaosraven at night rather than scan. That right there would have exposed me for the fraud I was.
Oh and I am such an idiot...
I even pointed out that was an ability the Seer had in this game when you bad guys were talkin' about no PMs.
Holy crap.
Did all three of you talk about it and I let that clue slip by?
Kraegor wrote:cheese wizz....how many powers were there??? I assumed seer was vanilla seer...didn't know he could PM, levitate and summon water....
must read rules....must read rules....
Which is where my "innocent" stuff comes from. People asking questions they should have asked behind the scenes.
I used to consider it a mark of a bad guy, but experience has shown that MOST of them are People who didn't read the rules that don't apply to them (I.E. I'm not the Seer, so I don't know when he gets results, what he can ask, etc etc)...
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Austin wrote:One more thing I was glad nobody brought up. Again on the vampire forum I said if it's brought up, I'll avoid the forum until I get my scan target in. I should have been called to PM Chaosraven at night rather than scan. That right there would have exposed me for the fraud I was.
Oh and I am such an idiot...
I even pointed out that was an ability the Seer had in this game when you bad guys were talkin' about no PMs.
Holy crap.
Did all three of you talk about it and I let that clue slip by?
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Kraegor wrote: Hell chaos even said He wasn't gonna kill me....then turns around and does it halfway down on the same page....GRRRRRR!!!!
I went with Majority Vote (though my gut of PR_GMR wouldn't have been any better)
I did note that my collection of "Innocent" had one too many in it.
I never cast a vote because (well yeah i was waiting for monday, too) I couldnt figure out wtf to do about FTWalker.
I had my list as Bahktosh, Austin, FTWalker. I was stuck on who would be the zerker....FTWalker was the obvious choice as zerker...because the dueling seers were too "in the open". It was like a "lynch me!" contest. When you brought up the scenario of Remus NOT being the garlic bread...I had to reassess FTWalker...so then I was stuck at Lassr....So I prolly woulda voted for an innocent as well, heh.
triggercut is blindingly obvious "now" but at the time I didnt see him as a sure thing. shoulda stuck with the thread of how he kept tagging along with FTWalker....so close...
Austin wrote:One more thing I was glad nobody brought up. Again on the vampire forum I said if it's brought up, I'll avoid the forum until I get my scan target in. I should have been called to PM Chaosraven at night rather than scan. That right there would have exposed me for the fraud I was.
Oh and I am such an idiot...
I even pointed out that was an ability the Seer had in this game when you bad guys were talkin' about no PMs.
Holy crap.
Did all three of you talk about it and I let that clue slip by?
Duh... no. we didn't want that to come up in game at all. I cringed once when I saw Trigg say something about not having received any PM's, but just had my word he was scanned. That's all I recall. I recall you mentioning the skill but sort of glossed over it. My only defense there would be to go underground until night fell and I put my order in. The next day would be "oops, I had sent my scan in. How about tonight?" Instead I had to go with, "Oooops, I changed my scan". If we weren't blocked that night I would have found Pr0ner innocent.
I kind of wanted to scan someone else and save Triggercut for my first Public scan. "Tonight, I will scan Triggercut". But nobody would suspect all the vampires would out in one move would they?
I was playing lowkey though. Poor me! Nobody believes I'm the Mage because I'm Canadian. I think I need to take a break for a while or just accept Night 1 kill status. Trigg has proven to be a most excellent villain though. 
This is Chaosraving we are talking about. He always posts the correct theory of who the bad guys are at some point. Mostly because he posts every possible iteration of bad guys. 
So when do I get to be on a team with Lassr and Kraegor?