triggercut wrote:A couple of assumptions I'm working from right now:
1. The Vampires would've attempted to do a conversion from the get-go. Waiting would be a great play for them, if this were a PM-allowed game, and thus the wait to convert would be their defense against the Twins and villagers setting up a "Circle Of Trust". Since without pm's, that Circle is tougher to establish, and the risk/reward for the Vamps waiting just isn't enough to justify it.
Bakhtosh wrote:Without the ability to PM, we must rely on what we can deduce from public comments.
Geez. Two of you in the first day.
And then later I point out what Austin and Bakhtosh do and don't know about Seer (MAGE???) and Transforming Vampire.
Man do I suck.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
triggercut wrote:A couple of assumptions I'm working from right now:
1. The Vampires would've attempted to do a conversion from the get-go. Waiting would be a great play for them, if this were a PM-allowed game, and thus the wait to convert would be their defense against the Twins and villagers setting up a "Circle Of Trust". Since without pm's, that Circle is tougher to establish, and the risk/reward for the Vamps waiting just isn't enough to justify it.
Bakhtosh wrote:Without the ability to PM, we must rely on what we can deduce from public comments.
Geez. Two of you in the first day.
And then later I point out what Austin and Bakhtosh do and don't know about Seer (MAGE???) and Transforming Vampire.
Man do I suck.
Come to think of it, I know I had been using the term, "Garlic Guy" really heavily, at least on the vamp forums. When I saw you drag out Tosh as having used it, I cringed. Learned a good lesson there I did.
Austin wrote:Duh... no. we didn't want that to come up in game at all. I cringed once when I saw Trigg say something about not having received any PM's, but just had my word he was scanned. That's all I recall. I recall you mentioning the skill but sort of glossed over it. My only defense there would be to go underground until night fell and I put my order in. The next day would be "oops, I had sent my scan in. How about tonight?" Instead I had to go with, "Oooops, I changed my scan". If we weren't blocked that night I would have found Pr0ner innocent.
Chaosraven wrote:Austin remembers there's a Vampire that can scan, but can't remember the name of the role for the Good Guys that scans. High probability he has a Role.
Bakhtosh can't remember the title of the Garlic Dispenser (Garlic Guy, Garlic Spreader). Recalls the Seer (seer, austin, SEER) has the ability to PM.
Austin wrote: Interesting that you choose to point out my lack of using proper terms for the seer/mage, but say "Austin remembers there's a Vampire that can scan". I think you're smart enough to realize that I know that there is a good guy that can scan too. You are taking two separate items and linking them together to cast guilt on me. But you don't make those types of mistakes, or do you?
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
And this is why I say I prepare evidence for people smarter than me (read: better players) to use for their own hypothesis.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Austin wrote:Duh... no. we didn't want that to come up in game at all. I cringed once when I saw Trigg say something about not having received any PM's, but just had my word he was scanned. That's all I recall. I recall you mentioning the skill but sort of glossed over it. My only defense there would be to go underground until night fell and I put my order in. The next day would be "oops, I had sent my scan in. How about tonight?" Instead I had to go with, "Oooops, I changed my scan". If we weren't blocked that night I would have found Pr0ner innocent.
Chaosraven wrote:Austin remembers there's a Vampire that can scan, but can't remember the name of the role for the Good Guys that scans. High probability he has a Role.
Bakhtosh can't remember the title of the Garlic Dispenser (Garlic Guy, Garlic Spreader). Recalls the Seer (seer, austin, SEER) has the ability to PM.
Austin wrote: Interesting that you choose to point out my lack of using proper terms for the seer/mage, but say "Austin remembers there's a Vampire that can scan". I think you're smart enough to realize that I know that there is a good guy that can scan too. You are taking two separate items and linking them together to cast guilt on me. But you don't make those types of mistakes, or do you?
We hadn't outted yet at this point. I was worried about you suggesting I use my PM skill to prove myself. That's what I'm talking about with regard to going underground. After I was outted as the mage, I didn't want to be called to PM anyone.
Austin wrote:Duh... no. we didn't want that to come up in game at all. I cringed once when I saw Trigg say something about not having received any PM's, but just had my word he was scanned. That's all I recall. I recall you mentioning the skill but sort of glossed over it. My only defense there would be to go underground until night fell and I put my order in. The next day would be "oops, I had sent my scan in. How about tonight?" Instead I had to go with, "Oooops, I changed my scan". If we weren't blocked that night I would have found Pr0ner innocent.
Chaosraven wrote:Austin remembers there's a Vampire that can scan, but can't remember the name of the role for the Good Guys that scans. High probability he has a Role.
Bakhtosh can't remember the title of the Garlic Dispenser (Garlic Guy, Garlic Spreader). Recalls the Seer (seer, austin, SEER) has the ability to PM.
Austin wrote: Interesting that you choose to point out my lack of using proper terms for the seer/mage, but say "Austin remembers there's a Vampire that can scan". I think you're smart enough to realize that I know that there is a good guy that can scan too. You are taking two separate items and linking them together to cast guilt on me. But you don't make those types of mistakes, or do you?
We hadn't outted yet at this point. I was worried about you suggesting I use my PM skill to prove myself. That's what I'm talking about with regard to going underground. After I was outted as the mage, I didn't want to be called to PM anyone.
I know. But what I mean is here's a pair of guys I have already bugged out on for their terms and not knowing stuff, and then when the time comes I let you get away with it?
I need the Smiley banging his head, please.
Of course, everyone decided to nuke pr0ner while I was sleeping off an extra shift at work, so I let myself off the hook for that one.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Yeah we were in a big hurry from the vampire side to get Pr0ner done before you got back.
Edit: To say I thought I did a nice job of using your comments about my not knowing Seer/Mage and such and begin to use that to make you more sympathetic toward me. "I Always do that; go check". But later, it isn't easy being the Seer (and being poor Austin). You have to work so hard to cover your tracks so you don't get killed by the village or the vampires. Woe is me.
If you are not a bad guy in my fallen game I will allow you to come back to life once after they kill you.
So they can kill you deader.
"Where are you off to?"
"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
The door shut again and Snufkin entered his forest, with a hundred miles of silence ahead of him.
Kraegor wrote:
HAH! you accused me/pr0ner of being the twins prior to that hypo list. Regardless it worked intentional or not. You managed to associate 2 innocents and convince everyone we were evil twins....Last time i try to save an innocent from the wolf wagon....
I did think you two were the twins...right up until I scanned Lassr (found a special with every scan). It was getting very difficult to find innocents to frame and lynch. We wanted to keep the bandwagon away from specials as much as possible (because they would self-out and possibly get protection).
FTWalker almost saved the game with that fortuitous block.
Also, had we outed Trig as the 'zerk, we would have lost the game. The twins would be confirmed since it's not possible that either of them were converted. Of course, it's always possible that the explosion (in my place) would have killed FTWalker and handed us the game, but it would have been a long shot at best.
Stupid garlic guy...
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” -Thomas Jefferson
Finding Red Riding Hood well-armed, the wolf calls for more gun control.
"guy" is easier to type than "dispenser". It's just an awkward word, and I don't like thinking it. I knew the title of the role, but didn't like typing it out every time. Nothing nefarious there...just your Chaos senses going off at random again.
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” -Thomas Jefferson
Finding Red Riding Hood well-armed, the wolf calls for more gun control.
Woe is me. 
