[WW] The Crimson Moon Returns

[Grundbegriff]

Updated suspicion matrix:

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    Known innocent: Grundbegriff, Unagi
 Probably innocent: Austin, Newcastle, tru1cy
         Ambiguous: Lassr
Awfully suspicious: Mr Bubbles, pr0ner, Zurai
  WhoLetTheDogsOut: Remus West

[Zurai]

Out of curiosity - why am I "awfully suspicious"?

[Grundbegriff]

Out of curiosity - why am I "awfully suspicious"?

Partly because you always strike me as awfully suspicious. (Which, taken as a baseline, means you're acting normally. )

Partly because you haven't tipped your hand. You called me out on my rules joke. You noted tru1cy's dramatic entrance. You mentioned that you didn't have much to say because of FirstDayitis.

I don't know what to make of you.

Same goes for Mr Bubbles and pr0ner.

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

[Zurai]

Fair enough, and thanks for the explanation.

[Remus West]

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

And yet nobody wonders why wolf me wouldn't have killed you last night over Unagi who voted to lynch you last game at my behest?

[Grundbegriff]

And yet nobody wonders why wolf me wouldn't have killed you last night over Unagi who voted to lynch you last game at my behest?

Why should they? You've kept me alive when you were a wolf before, and you've openly advocated that I should be kept alive for a day or two. You've also corrected people who thought I should've died on the first overnight.

Why would people line up behind the idea that Wolfish Remus would kill Grund on the first overnight?

[Remus West]

And yet nobody wonders why wolf me wouldn't have killed you last night over Unagi who voted to lynch you last game at my behest?

Why should they? You've kept me alive when you were a wolf before, and you've openly advocated that I should be kept alive for a day or two. You've also corrected people who thought I should've died on the first overnight.

Why would people line up behind the idea that Wolfish Remus would kill Grund on the first overnight?

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

And yet nobody wonders why wolf me wouldn't have killed you last night over Unagi who voted to lynch you last game at my behest?

Keep the whole quote if your gonna twist it. Yes, in the past I have said it best to let you live for a day. I learned my lesson in the Vampire game when you outed 2 of us that day (still no idea why I didn't get killed that game). Then to drive it home you outed me first day of the last game as well. So yeah, wolf me would definately have offed you before giving you a chance to out me again. No worries though, as I have said, not losing anything vital. If I'm real lucky the Priest got a confession from me today so that is 1 vote you will not get making it that much harder to get me lynched. Of course thats a 1/6 chance and assumes Unagi wasn't the Priest but its still there.

[pr0ner]

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

Bah. Sometimes real life takes precedence.

Besides, I'm just a lowly candlemaker. Tending to hot wax is FAR more fun than listening to you and Remus argue all day.

[Austin]

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

Bah. Sometimes real life takes precedence.

Besides, I'm just a lowly candlemaker. Tending to hot wax is FAR more fun than listening to you and Remus argue all day.

Rub A Dub Dub.

[pr0ner]

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

Bah. Sometimes real life takes precedence.

Besides, I'm just a lowly candlemaker. Tending to hot wax is FAR more fun than listening to you and Remus argue all day.

Rub A Dub Dub.

Hunh?

[Austin]

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

Bah. Sometimes real life takes precedence.

Besides, I'm just a lowly candlemaker. Tending to hot wax is FAR more fun than listening to you and Remus argue all day.

Rub A Dub Dub.

Hunh?

Last game I was a butcher and Unagi was a Baker iirc. I mentioned we needed a candlestick maker is all.

Edit: Wait, he was a thatcher. Hmmm... I do recall requesting a candlestick maker though.

[Remus West]

I believe that Austin was refering to the rhyme Rub a Dub Dub three men in a tub. The Butcher, the Baker, and the Candlestick maker.

As for myself I feel like Grund went to school here:

[Remus West]

Last game I was a butcher and Unagi was a Baker iirc. I mentioned we needed a candlestick maker is all.

Edit: Wait, he was a thatcher. Hmmm... I do recall requesting a candlestick maker though.

You had said you were hoping for a Baker and a Candlestick Maker when it became clear he was the Thatcher. BTW, anyone find out what Kelric was that game?

[Austin]

Found it... Don't read anything into it, I'm just musing.

[pr0ner]

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

Bah. Sometimes real life takes precedence.

Besides, I'm just a lowly candlemaker. Tending to hot wax is FAR more fun than listening to you and Remus argue all day.

Rub A Dub Dub.

Hunh?

Last game I was a butcher and Unagi was a Baker iirc. I mentioned we needed a candlestick maker is all.

Edit: Wait, he was a thatcher. Hmmm... I do recall requesting a candlestick maker though.

You, sir, are disturbing.

[Grundbegriff]

Kelric
Subject: The Village
You are the local fisherman. Your ability is to catch smelt.
INNOCENT

[Remus West]

Kelric
Subject: The Village
You are the local fisherman. Your ability is to catch smelt.
INNOCENT

Thanks. Good thing we killed him. Smelt? Yuck.

[Austin]

He who smelt it...

[Austin]

Kelric
Subject: The Village
You are the local fisherman. Your ability is to catch smelt.
INNOCENT

That's puzzling. withdraw Remus West

[Grundbegriff]

What's puzzling?

[Remus West]

Kelric
Subject: The Village
You are the local fisherman. Your ability is to catch smelt.
INNOCENT

That's puzzling. withdraw Remus West

That really should not effect this game. Grund was responding to my question about Kelric from the last game. After we lynched Grund Chaosraven forwarded him the spoilers and obviously the content of the PMs so he could more closely follow the action. It was not a comment on this game at all.

[Grundbegriff]

I was quoting this, from the end of the previous game. Nothing was forwarded to me. Chaosraven posted all his outgoing notes into the thread after the game was over.

[tru1cy]

Just wanted to add if Newcastle is determined to go awol then lynching him might be the better than Remus. I still think Remus is guilty as sin, but having a non-playing villager will hamper the game in the long run

CR can you PM Newcastle just to confirm if he is still playing?

[Austin]

Sorry. I thought he was Kelric'ing and giving out his role for this game and quoting his message from Chaosraven. Didn't mesh up. Okay Remus West.

[Lassr]

What's bothering me is why I have not been more in Grund's crosshairs.

Why? Are you a Werewolf?

Let's just say I feel like I've been trying to act wolfish yet you always viewed me innocent. Maybe to get me on your side and manipulate me like in a previous game where you and Austin played me for a fool.

Most of the stuff I've posted (not all) was to get your reaction. I revealed my role (which you said was not smart), you mention later that Newcastle may be a wolf because he's roleplaying maybe to hide behind the role, yet I'm not, I jump on that opportunity to cast the first vote with my story about why I revealed my role. Yet I didn't seem to jump onto your radar.

Finally much later you start on the path that I may be a wolf but still list me as innocent.

Not until I say I was surprised that I haven't been in your crosshairs do you finally bump me up a notch.

I think you are a wolf.
I wish I had time to go into more details right now but I'm busy at work.

Did anyone else think my activity could be wolfish? I know some of you did.

Grundbegriff

[Austin]

What's bothering me is why I have not been more in Grund's crosshairs.

Why? Are you a Werewolf?

Let's just say I feel like I've been trying to act wolfish yet you always viewed me innocent. Maybe to get me on your side and manipulate me like in a previous game where you and Austin played me for a fool.

Most of the stuff I've posted (not all) was to get your reaction. I revealed my role (which you said was not smart), you mention later that Newcastle may be a wolf because he's roleplaying maybe to hide behind the role, yet I'm not, I jump on that opportunity to cast the first vote with my story about why I revealed my role. Yet I didn't seem to jump onto your radar.

Finally much later you start on the path that I may be a wolf but still list me as innocent.

Not until I say I was surprised that I haven't been in your crosshairs do you finally bump me up a notch.

I think you are a wolf.
I wish I had time to go into more details right now but I'm busy at work.

Did anyone else think my activity could be wolfish? I know some of you did.

Grundbegriff

Didn't you start the whole Newcastle thing too?

I'm withdrawing Remus for now and am going to reread this thread - again. I will be looking mostly at Remus and Grund and trying to see particularly if Grund has been too huggy with me. Also, I want to know what Tru1cy thinks of Grund.

[Newcastle]

Just wanted to add if Newcastle is determined to go awol then lynching him might be the better than Remus. I still think Remus is guilty as sin, but having a non-playing villager will hamper the game in the long run

CR can you PM Newcastle just to confirm if he is still playing?

/ooc

Things to know about Newcastle -
1. As long as I am in a game (alive), i will still play. know that for sure. I am not going to simply walk away from a game. that would not be cool and obviously unfair to the participants.

2. My participation from this point forward (and in future games) is going to be less than what it has been in previous games (most likely along the lines of this game). What this means....expact maybe a flurry of posts 1 or twice a day..or maybe even one saying "hi". DO NOT expect me to post every hour..or monitor the thread relilgously. I am not in front of a computer all day anymore. The days of that are gone. I could easily do that earlier this year but not now. ( this touches on remus comment...why did you wait till you were at 4 votes to respond - time my good chap)

3. FYI - I am in an accelerated Masters program (for teaching). Where I am going to get my certificate in 1 year. Meaning they are cramming 2 years worth of stuff into my head in the span of 1 year. hence the time constraints. hence also the impetus for my post last night. I tend to think about these games too much. Even this morning, I was tempted to check this site just to see what was going on...i obviously stayed true to studying.

Sorry if that comes out preachy and what not. But I noticed Grund calling for me to vote (i was either studying or had gone to bed) and then also saw Truicy comments. I wanted to let everyone know, I am still here. I just cant post all the time anymore, or spend as much time on these games in terms of monitoring it. I still enjoy playing them. I just want y'all to understand that is all,s ince I know i have been very active in past games.

/ooc

Uhm, having said that. Thanks for withdrawing your vote one me guys /looks around sheepishly
"hmm, guess I was a bit of a drama king eh"
/tugs the collar on his shirt
"so the newest person is remus, i must sit and eat lunch and reflect about it"

/grabs his folding chair and heads off into his kitchen to make some Deviled eggs.

[Grundbegriff]

Let's just say I feel like I've been trying to act wolfish yet you always viewed me innocent.

Have I? Let's look at the evidence.

Here I note your Baker play.

Here I cast doubt upon that move by explaining that revealing one's true trade role is foolish, and by asking why you and Newcastle would do that. I deliberately overstated your case and his, though, to see what each of you would do. Newcastle hadn't really clarified his exact role. You had clarified a specific role, but you hadn't really done so in the timing I attributed to you. (i.e., I claimed you had done it both times after my warning; in fact, you had started doing it before my warning).

Here I evaluate your actions and decide that, on balance, they seem innocent.

Next, I set my "let's see who lines up with me when I make stupid arguments" trap. I frame Newcastle on the thinnest imaginable reed of evidence. Likewise, I accuse you of wolfitude on the basis of facial hair and the fact that your name sounds like "Lassie".

Here I sum up: the fact that you called me out for misrepresenting your timing, and that you take the opportunity to jump on the scapegoat, Newcastle, makes you seem innocent.

Finally, Here I put you in the middle of the suspicion matrix because you complained to me about the fact that I figured you were innocent.

There-- does that look as if I'm trying to win your favor by appeasing you? Or does it look like I set up a test, judged that you had passed the test, and said so?

Maybe to get me on your side and manipulate me like in a previous game where you and Austin played me for a fool.

Don't be so paranoid. Look at the game, and you'll see I'm playing hard for a village victory again.

[tru1cy]

Cool, Newcastle. Good luck with the master programs

Austin to answer your question as of right now Grund's play seems "normal" to me. Grund always runs multiple gambits and his gambits always seem to have several layers. Right now he gets a pass.

[Mr Bubbles]

For the record I just don't get the sense that Remus is guilty this time. Can't quite place my finger on it. I'm trying to analyze his playing and he just doesn't strike me as particularly wolfish.

[Grundbegriff]

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  Austin acc tru1cy(1)
  tru1cy acc Austin(1)
 Austin wd tru1cy(0)
  Austin acc pr0ner(1)
  Grundbegriff acc Austin(2)
  Remus West acc Grundbegriff(1)
  tru1cy wd Austin(1)
  Austin wd pr0ner(0)
  Remus West wd Grundbegriff(0)
  Lassr acc Zurai(1)
  Austin acc Grundbegriff(1)
  Austin wd Grundbegriff(0)
  Grundbegriff wd Austin(0)
  Grundbegriff acc Remus West(1)
  Remus West acc Lassr(1)
  tru1cy acc Remus West(2)
  Remus West wd Lassr(0)
  Lassr wd Zurai(0)
Lassr acc Newcastle(1)
  Austin acc tru1cy(1)
  Remus West acc Newcastle(2)
  Austin wd tru1cy(0)
  Grundbegriff wd Remus West(1)
  Grundbegriff acc Newcastle(3)
  Austin acc Newcastle(4)
  tru1cy wd Remus West(0)
Newcastle acc Mr Bubbles(1)-
  Remus West wd Newcastle(3)
  Grundbegriff wd Newcastle(2)
  Remus West acc Newcastle(3)
Grundbegriff acc Remus West(2)
  Austin wd Newcastle(2)
tru1cy acc Remus West(2)
  Remus West wd Newcastle(1)
  Lassr wd Newcastle(0)
Remus West acc Grundbegriff(1)
  Mr Bubbles acc Remus West(3)
  Mr Bubbles wd Remus West(2)
  Austin acc Remus West(3)
  Remus West wd Grundbegriff(0)
  Remus West acc Remus West(4)
  Remus West wd Remus West(3)
Remus West acc Grundbegriff(1)
  Austin wd Remus West(2)
Austin acc Remus West(3)
Lassr acc Grundbegriff(2)-
  Austin wd Remus West(2)-

Against Remus West(2): Grundbegriff, tru1cy
Against Mr Bubbles(1): Newcastle
Against Grundbegriff(2): Remus West, Lassr

No vote registered:
Austin, Mr Bubbles, pr0ner, Zurai

Dead: Unagi
Pining for the fjords:

[Grundbegriff]

Votes in order, separated by voter:

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 Austin acc tru1cy(1)
 Austin wd tru1cy(0)
  Austin acc pr0ner(1)
  Austin wd pr0ner(0)
   Austin acc Grundbegriff(1)
   Austin wd Grundbegriff(0)
    Austin acc tru1cy(1)
    Austin wd tru1cy(0)
     Austin acc Newcastle(4)
     Austin wd Newcastle(2)
      Austin acc Remus West(3)
      Austin wd Remus West(2)
      Austin acc Remus West(3)
      Austin wd Remus West(2)- 

 Grundbegriff acc Austin(2)
 Grundbegriff wd Austin(0)
  Grundbegriff acc Remus West(1)
  Grundbegriff wd Remus West(1)
   Grundbegriff acc Newcastle(3)
   Grundbegriff wd Newcastle(2)
Grundbegriff acc Remus West(2)

 Lassr acc Zurai(1)
 Lassr wd Zurai(0)
  Lassr acc Newcastle(1)
  Lassr wd Newcastle(0)
Lassr acc Grundbegriff(2)-

 Mr Bubbles acc Remus West(3)
 Mr Bubbles wd Remus West(2)

Newcastle acc Mr Bubbles(1)-

 Remus West acc Grundbegriff(1)
 Remus West wd Grundbegriff(0)
  Remus West acc Lassr(1)
  Remus West wd Lassr(0)
   Remus West acc Newcastle(2)
   Remus West wd Newcastle(3)
   Remus West acc Newcastle(3)
   Remus West wd Newcastle(1)
    Remus West acc Grundbegriff(1)
    Remus West wd Grundbegriff(0)
     Remus West acc Remus West(4)
     Remus West wd Remus West(3)
Remus West acc Grundbegriff(1)

 tru1cy acc Austin(1)
 tru1cy wd Austin(1)
  tru1cy acc Remus West(2)
  tru1cy wd Remus West(0)
tru1cy acc Remus West(2)

[Austin]

Just a note for Zurai and Pr0ner. With the partisan split I'm seeing here you guys are going to have to place a vote for someone at some time to move us passed Day 1. If you guys don't have time to expound much, surely you have time to stick your neck out and vote like the rest of us have to do.

[Zurai]

I suppose you're right, Austin. First days always suck.

With that said, and based off my earlier post, I'll vote for Remus.

[Austin]

I'll also keep my Remus West vote.

[Newcastle]

/ooc walks out of the kitchen, a plate with blueberry pie in his hands.

"mhmm, pie, good stuff. now am sure you guys dont care what i think, but i think i will mouth off anyway."

/takes a last bit of pie, a small blue stain appears on his Van Dyke.

"Remus or Grund now seem to be on the village crosshairs.

1. I realize Grund does these little gambits. He's like a bull in a china shop. Pure and simply. do i think he might be wolfy....maybe. Just maybe. But i get the feeling he is more up to his usual bag of tricks than anything else. In all honesty in my previous statements, i used the word "perspective" to specifically capture his attention. He was the one who blew that up and created the impression that I was claiming to be a painter. Now, what this leaves me with...1. did he see what i was doing, and understand it..and then use that as bait in his railroading scheme...obviously working on behalf of the village. Or 2. He saw that as a piece of evidence that could be used to hang me, and therefore one less day. The wolves I think have perhaps 3 days to win? Is that correct. With me dead, that means 2 more days...and one would also have to thinkt hat Grund, being a wolf, KNOWS the village will suspects his longevity in a game after a certain period. Simply speculation

Having said that, I think his actions have been more so on the basis of the bull in the china shop scenario. I think he was left alive for us, the villagers to do his dirty work.

2. Remus - honestly, i dont think he has acted too wolfy. However, Grund did make a point that I was being wrung up on flimsy evidence and Remus waffled at that point. taking the vote off then on. He made the point after the fact. I can also sympathize with remus about wanting to get a vote and see how it rolls. And to be honest, I would need to go back over and read what Remus has written to get a better sense of him, in terms of being able to view him as a wolf.

Both of those while suspicious, Remus more so than Grund...don't eclipse my gut feeling. that being the bubblecious.

For now, I am going to keep my vote on Bubbles. My vote might change. But that will have to be later.

[Newcastle]

gah, drama, and just as I was about to leave. Hmm, i have time. Will look over the remus stuff more carefully now. If I dont change my vote int he 25 minutes, wont change at all.

So remus is at 4 votes...hmm.

[Newcastle]

i am not going to vote right now. I just reviewed the thread to answer some questions of mine. namely this:

1. when did lassr make his accusation of me? was it after Grunds accusations of me? Did grund vote first?
he was the first vote; grund accused me before Lassr voted (this creates a pretext and defense???); Grund did not vote first.


I want to vote for Remus, but I dont feel comfortable doing it quite yet. I simply dont. I am not sure if it's I dont feel knowledgeable enough to vote, or if it's the i dont feel it in my bones vibe. Honestly, I think remus could be a wolf. Just not sure. Having said that, I dont wish to make a uninformed decission taking out remus. I also dont want to follow the crowd...however, i am willing to trust one or two people on that vote.

my vote stands on bubbles. Ok be back later on guys.

[Remus West]

I was quoting this, from the end of the previous game. Nothing was forwarded to me. Chaosraven posted all his outgoing notes into the thread after the game was over.

Ah, I stopped reading after the game was over.

[Austin]

I was quoting this, from the end of the previous game. Nothing was forwarded to me. Chaosraven posted all his outgoing notes into the thread after the game was over.

Ah, I stopped reading after the game was over.

O' RLY?