[WW] The Crimson Moon Returns

[Austin]

I've been sitting here trying to figure out if Austin was a wolf what is his strategy.

If he gets an innocent lynched then we have 5 left tomorrow. He would take out the priest tonight. He would play the "wolf killed the priest so the village would kill me card" if we bought that and hung another innocent and we woke up the next day with Austin alive he'd then play the "wolf wants the village to do it's work and lynch me, wolf wins card."

But Austin should have 2 scans left. You would think he'd hit a wolf (if everyone is telling the truth), if he didn't then it would be obvious it was him. He could say he scanned a villager and then the wolf killed that villager that night but then why would the wolf kill villagers that were still suspect. You'd want to go after the knowns. In that case it would make Austin very suspicious also.

I can't see anyway that this plan would work or if it did it would be a lot less successful than if he just kept his mouth shut.

So, I'm pretty sure Austin is telling the truth but don't be surprised if he is alive tomorrow, that wouldn't mean he's a wolf though.

So mistrusting. you know... one of the options I was considering was PMing you today instead of scanning. That would have been funny and perhaps I could have made you 80% trust me.

[Austin]

Well I'm off to bed. I'll post a Zurai vote and see if anything has happened in the morning. Remember Mr. Wolf, you're not allowed to run to Remus for help; he's dead.

[Zurai]

Assuming you are the seer - and I believe you are for reasons I've already posted - even if you hang the wrong person today, the village SHOULD still win.

The wolf would basically have three options tonight:

Kill Austin.
Kill tru1cy and hope we kill Austin the next day.
Kill a non-powered Innocent.

The thing is...

If he ignores Austin, Austin confirms his Seer-ness by PMing with one of the known innocents (tru1cy, lassr, bubbles). Solid voting block of 4 or 5 (if tru1cy gets a new living person confession) people forms. Even if they lynched the wrong person AGAIN, it's still game over at that point.

If he DOES kill Austin, that confirms that he was indeed the Seer (or a lieing lunatic, I guess). That means we have a solid voting block of 3 (tru1cy, lassr, bubbles) with 6 people remaining. Assuming a second missed lynch (say, me), that would leave 2 innocents and 1 wolf after the following night (say the wolf kills tru1cy - an easy choice at that point), but those two innocents (lassr and bubbles in this case) would KNOW that they were both innocent, and would KNOW that the wolf was the remaining player - newcastle, in this example.

I don't see how the wolf can possibly win right now unless Austin or tru1cy are liars.

[Lassr]

So mistrusting.

fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. fool me 3 times...

Have you noticed though that I haven't cast a single vote against you this whole game!

also, I'm just guessing on Zurai. Mostly voting that way because he's been the most quiet. Laying low to avoid detection (edit: until the end game...he's active now).

I do agree with his assessment above. I'll keep my vote with Zurai and see where we go tomorrow.

I may not be around until tomorrow night though.

[Zurai]

also, I'm just guessing on Zurai. Mostly voting that way because he's been the most quiet. Laying low to avoid detection.

I still fail to see how I've been quieter than pr0ner...

[Lassr]

also, I'm just guessing on Zurai. Mostly voting that way because he's been the most quiet. Laying low to avoid detection.

I still fail to see how I've been quieter than pr0ner...

You haven't really, not now. proner and you are tied as my #1 choice. Didn't want to vote proner earlier because I think that would have put him within 1 vote of dying.

[pr0ner]

Withdraw Newcastle

[Remus West]

Austicide.

[Newcastle]

Woot Saturday night and i am reviewing a WW game. Damn i am hardcore (refrain from SChool of Rock.../sing "but your not hardcore").

I just reread the thread. Well, skimmed, scanned, perused. Choose your adjective.

I am heavily leaning toward Proner now, more so than Zurai. Look at how this day began. Look at his posts...he begins by trying to cast doubt on austin. Simple things he says "it makes you look so evil", "why would you do that, it would hurt

ah screw it...here are his quotes:

I'm not big on night talk, but sometimes you gotta just in case. If I'm not around tomorrow you should probably remember to watch Grund and Tru1cy. That's all I have and it ain't based on anything but their votes and interactions. Don't flay them automatically but just be aware.

Hey! Shut up howling over there! Some of us are trying to sleep!

Chaos, we'd like to change our target to Lassr.

Oh crap, I meant that to be a PM!

Austin, what was with this?

I'm not big on night talk, but sometimes you gotta just in case. If I'm not around tomorrow you should probably remember to watch Grund and Tru1cy. That's all I have and it ain't based on anything but their votes and interactions. Don't flay them automatically but just be aware.

Hey! Shut up howling over there! Some of us are trying to sleep!

Chaos, we'd like to change our target to Lassr.

Oh crap, I meant that to be a PM!

Austin, what was with this?

It was a joke. I was suggesting that I was a wolf and posted my death to Lassr PM rather than PM it. Just playing around. You and I don't mesh on the jokes, I still remember you trying to hang me to changing a Genghis quote to say, "I am a vampire". (note the lack of an edit just in case someone took it seriously)

But it makes you look so evil when you joke like that.

Austin, why would you want the priest or the seer to come out?

Unless the priest or seer has any information, they need to stay hidden.

FYI, I'm neither the priest, nor the seer. I'm just a candlemaker.

I think the priest must come out and then the seer. If no priest than the seer must come out if he has info on 2 living players or at least one wolf. I'll say right now that I am not the priest - not the seer either so don't wait on me to come out.

Pr0ner, Zurai, Tru1cy? Are any of your the priest?

Lassr, Bubbles, Newcastle? Are any of you the seer?

Or if the wolves would kindly step forward we could just get on with this.

I'm quoting this again.

Austin, if you're innocent, why would you want both the priest and the seer to come out? The only reason why you'd want the priest and seer to come out without concrete evidence is so that you would know who to eat next.

What makes you think I'm wolf if I'm the one going against wanting the priest and seer to come out (them hidden until they have concrete information is the best course of a

I'm going to agree with Zurai here. Why is Newcastle such a "likely innocent"? He's about as likely to be innocent as Zurai and myself, which is to say, he's unproven. He hasn't been scanned by Austin, and tru1cy doesn't have a confessional of him. His whole "woe is me, real life is too busy, I'm innocent, kill me" play when he was on the brink of the deciding vote in day 1 reeks of a wolf desperate to save his neck.

ction if the village has any chance)? What makes you guaranteed innocent if you're making the absolute wrong play?

Voting for me is a mistake. I'm just an innocent candlemaker. I'm afraid of the dark; why do you think I make candles?

I think Newcastle is most wolfy to me.

Withdraw Newcastle

Note - if any edits happen its to make these quotes come out looking ok.

[Newcastle]

damn it, it didnt come out. Anyway, one quote was encapsulated within another...its near the end, its obvious. I am not going to edit to tamper with it. I dont think there is a no edit rule. but just being safe.

Why do i bring this up? Well read through those quotes. Those are proners bits of participation since today dawned.

Doesnt the first few sound like he is trying to cast guilt or doubt on Austin? Doesnt it sound as if he is gently, and subtly trying to make austin look reckless? As if he is trying to stir up trouble?

Anyway, i guess I am railing against him. But i dont want to vote yet, but unless someone can make a convincing case V. zurai, my vote is going proner.

[Austin]

withdraw Zurai

I'm good with Pr0ner too

Back and forth, back and forth. No running to Remus for help Pr0ner, you're all on your own now.

In any case, right now.

Austin
Tr1ucy
Bubbles
Lassr

Pr0ner
Zurai
Newcastle

Today we kill a pink and tonight they kill a green. Tomorrow it's 3->2
We kill a pink and they kill a green 2->1
We kill a pink and we win, but only as one escaping through the flames.

[tru1cy]

pr0ner

[Lassr]

ok, I have no problem with changing my vote to get this moving.
withdraw zurai
vote proner

[Newcastle]

proner

that pretty much seals his fate. I do think we got a victory though.

[Austin]

When I and tru1cy are fully trusted just stick to what you know and the village wins. Lynch Zurai and Newcastle. (Unless Tru1cy gets a message about Zurai tomorrow, than lynch Newcastle) It's that simple.

[Lassr]

Do Not Go Gentle Into that Good Night.

Austin, Load up on the silver bullets and whatever else you can find!

[Austin]

My life is but a blink in light of eternity. Take my silver and melt it down to feed the orphans left behind by these creatures. I think orphans like silver.

[Newcastle]

/paging CR, paging CR your wanted in the Games forum to attend a hanging

[Chaosraven]

The Village gathered around Austin and tru1cy, weighing the possibilities and ramifications of their claims. After much deliberation they chose to lynch pr0ner, noting that zurai and newcastle were to be the next in line and they'd perhaps flip a coin between them.

After hanging pr0ner they slept thru the night peacefully and found everyone alive in the morning.

VILLAGE WINS

[Chaosraven]

austin
You are the SEER.
Each Night, you choose to either:
SCAN a living Player as Wolf/NonWolf
CONTACT a living Player the following Day.
If you or your Target are Killed, there will be no result.
If you CONTACT a player that survives the Night, you and the Target will be notified that you may PM each other without restriction until Majority of Votes has been reached that Day.

tru1cy
Most Holy, you have been called as the village PRIEST.
Each Night after the First, you choose a Dead Player, you will be given their Role/role.
Each Day, you will be given the role of one Regular Normal Villager. This will be determined Randomly, and may include Living, Dead, and even those you may already have Known (thru Night SCAN or Day CONFESSION)

remus west
You are the "Weaver", you make Baskets.
You are also one of the two WOLVES, along with pr0ner. You may PM each other at any time. At Night you must choose a NonWolf Victim, their ROLE/role will be revealed to you.

pr0ner
You are the "Candlestickmaker", you make Candles.
You are also one of the two WOLVES, along with remus west. You may PM each other at any time. At Night you must choose a NonWolf Victim, their ROLE/role will be revealed to you.

To: Mr Bubbles
Subject: Crimson II
You are the "Thatcher", you repair the Hut Roofs.
INNOCENT VILLAGER

To: Zurai
Subject: Crimson II
You are the "Poet", you compose Poetry.
VILLAGER

To: Newcastle
Subject: Crimson II
You are the "Painter", you make Portraits.
NORMAL INNOCENT

To: Lassr
Subject: Crimson II
You are the "Baker", you bake the Bread
REGULAR NORMAL VILLAGER

To: Unagi
Subject: Crimson II
You are the "Blacksmith", you repair Tools.
VILLAGER

To: Grundbegriff
Subject: Crimson II
You are the "Butcher", you carve the Meat.
VILLAGER

[Austin]

Nice work all. fun game. We got some good scans in and managed to hide our specials. Grund picked up on remus somewhere, somehow too.

[Chaosraven]

To: tru1cy
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:29 pm
Subject: DAY ONE CONFESSION Edit message
Grundbegriff has confided that he harbors an illicit union in his heart, he is worried it will affect his daily routine as the Village Butcher.


To: Austin
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: Seer Scan Edit message
Austin wrote:
Scan Lassr please. He hates me (in these games) and I'd like to know where he stands. Wink
Lassr is NOT a WOLF


pr0ner wrote:
Chaosraven:
Remus and I would like to make a snack out of Unagi.
Unagi was the Blacksmith.


To: tru1cy
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: Scan Edit message
tru1cy wrote:
I will scan Remus West

REMUS WEST was the WEAVER... he was ALSO A WOLF!!
In the Confessional, Mr Bubbles confides that as the Village Thatcher, he often peeks inside peoples houses while he repairs the roof.


To: Austin
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: Contact or Scan?
Austin wrote:
Okay, Scan Mr. Bubbles

Mr. Bubbles is NOT a WOLF.


To: pr0ner
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:27 am
Subject: Re: Grund's role?
pr0ner wrote:
Chaosraven:
You never gave me Grund's role.

I'm sorry, I forgot...
No, Grundbegriff was the BUTCHER (Normal Villager)

[Chaosraven]

And for the record I rolled the Random Confessions at the Start.

Random.org gave me 1,2,1,1,4

So the Priest was going to get Grund again on Day 3 and 4

I think the ruleset I used is indeed weighted to the Village unless the Wolves eat either the Priest or the Seer which would cause a severe shift in power.
Sort of makes it a Wolves searching for the right victim more important.

[Grundbegriff]

What about the fact, mentioned in post 3 above, that the Priest is hopelessly ueber and leaves the Werewolves little chance to survive make their time?

[Zurai]

I survived? I survived! It's a first!

[Newcastle]

nicely done village.

I thinkt he ruleset is defintely biased toward the village. The fact that we could have a coming out party on day 2 and really eliminate over 1/2 of the remaining people as suspects was an immense help.

I think not telling the village who is what, helps the wolves, because it keeps some confusion in the villagers. Not sure how i would balance. The priest was uber though.

Remus - Why did you commit suicide? I honestly dont see why you did that? Did you think Proner was safely hidden?

[Grundbegriff]

Other Intuitions:

I'm a Carpenter.

It's raining today. Are you feeling down?

Funny but it seems I always wind up here with you.

So you're saying pr0ner's innocent?

I have some issues here.

Grund evokes the Remus rule. He says, "Don't scan (Grund) or anyone else that might be killed quickly".

I'm not. Feel free to scan me.

Nice butchering job, Grund, but you are way off on me this time.

Feeling threatened by my Intuitions list, tru1cy let it be known that he's the Butcher, and therefore likely an innocent. A wolf wouldn't have responded to my baiting that way.

Have you said how you feel about Austin yet?

I don't have a reason to trust him. But I like what I'm seeing in how he's evaluating things. If he's wolfy, he's doing a great job of tricking me.

I voted for Newcastle too.

Maybe that means you're a Werewolf. But I don't see you as a Werewolf just yet.

I don't know what to make of you.

Same goes for Mr Bubbles and pr0ner.

Of the three of you, pr0ner bothers me the most. He's usually not this quiet when he's innocent. And since he knows that his behavior changes when he's guilty, his quiet might be a sign that he's trying not to accidentally show signs of wolfitude (the way Remus has done for two games running).

(Tonight, they'll kill me even though I'm predicting that they'll kill me tonight, because the shame of being predictable sissyheads isn't as great as the shame of losing by foolishly being induced and manipulated into letting me live.)

[Grundbegriff]

I survived? I survived! It's a first!

Congratulations! That's momentous.

I guess we'll have to suspect you less from now on.

[Austin]

Dang I thought I was doing a better job at hiding my seerhood than that. Was it something I said Grund or a gut feeling? It's fun walking the tightrope of avoiding a lynch and avoiding the wolves.

[Newcastle]

Interesting. i didnt see austin as the seer. In fact i saw him as an underpowered vilalger. I thought truicy was the priest...it took me a bit to piece that one together (i saw his 'hint' and pieced it together).

Remus, i had no clue about, and proner didnt emerge till the last twodays or thereabouts.

And i did make a gaffe in hinting too strongly as the painter. I used perspective, because i thought Grund was innocent. I twanted to signal to him who i was, and thought i could use "painting" lingo to help him see me. I had hoped he would keep it low. I think he realized it after the fact. who knows./ Vilalge won, that's the big thing.

[Austin]

Going into Night 2, I still wasn't sure about Grund. I have a long standing difficulty in trusting him. I also have a habit of picking up on his interactions between other players and mis-thinking them to be wolf communications. Like if he's a mason with someone or this game with Tru1cy's connection. In fact in my contemplations of last night I had scan him or tru1cy as options. I finally decided on Bubbles as I decided to trust him a bit more and thought he signaled me to scan Bubbles. (and I had already scanned Lassr)

My other option was to PM Lassr with plans to utilize him as a prophet. That would have been hell for him though so I didn't. Actually I didn't as I figured more info was better than proving myself. Get the info, come out and then worry about proving Seer later.

[Lassr]

Yea I lived.

I didn't peg Remus as a wolf after he committed suicide. Odd.

I wasn't much help in this game other than humoring Austin. Spent too much time trying to figure out Grund's allegiance..

[Chaosraven]

What about the fact, mentioned in post 3 above, that the Priest is hopelessly ueber and leaves the Werewolves little chance to survive make their time?

indeed, you are very smart. now shut up.

I think I will keep the "roles" but make one of them the Village Priest who gets the "confessions" and make the other the Coroner who gets the "roles/Roles" of the Dead.

[Remus West]

I didn't peg Remus as a wolf after he committed suicide. Odd.

That was the whole point, I figured unless we talked the village into a very bad play (scanning Unagi?) we were screwed. I had identified the tie between tru1cy and Grund (sadly the wrong direction) and hoped that by killing myself the village would proceed as though there were two wolves left. I also thought that killing Grund would remove the Priest so you would not get to know until it was over which would put pressure on everyone else who voted for me.

BTW, I gave myself an award after my death.


I suck at being bad.

[Grundbegriff]

Grund picked up on remus somewhere, somehow too.

Dang I thought I was doing a better job at hiding my seerhood than that. Was it something I said Grund or a gut feeling?

My method.

My asset