[WW] Crimson Moon III - Game ends in a Draw?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:04 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Lassr wrote:you know after you and grund (aka wolfies or vamps) were PMing me and manipulating me like a crack whore desperate for a hit in that one game.
good times....

Yeah, where's the Grund hate here?

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:05 pm

Lassr wrote:
Zurai wrote:Checking in! Sorry for not participating up til now; had a 10 hour D&D marathon game from 6pm - 4 am last night!

Catching up on the first day speculation now.
You wouldn't happen to be playing this version would you?
<snip werewolf picture>

Nope! Actually it was this:

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:08 pm

Austin wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
Lassr wrote:you know after you and grund (aka wolfies or vamps) were PMing me and manipulating me like a crack whore desperate for a hit in that one game.
good times....
Yeah, where's the Grund hate here?

Since you posted this here and it has you labeled should we take it as a confession?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:11 pm

Just the back hair. Just like last time I had to explain that picture.

Edit: And I was reading through Pr0ner in the other thread, looking for clues, and came across it. Pr0ner, what do you think I have found?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:22 pm

Austin wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
Lassr wrote:you know after you and grund (aka wolfies or vamps) were PMing me and manipulating me like a crack whore desperate for a hit in that one game.
good times....
Yeah, where's the Grund hate here?

<picture deleted>

You've fooled me twice, Grund once.

edit: damn quotes

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:41 pm

Austin wrote:Just the back hair. Just like last time I had to explain that picture.

Edit: And I was reading through Pr0ner in the other thread, looking for clues, and came across it. Pr0ner, what do you think I have found?

That you're fishing for clues that don't exist?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:05 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Austin wrote:Just the back hair. Just like last time I had to explain that picture.

Edit: And I was reading through Pr0ner in the other thread, looking for clues, and came across it. Pr0ner, what do you think I have found?
That you're fishing for clues that don't exist?

Pretty much. I didn't find anything especially damning.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:19 pm

Austin wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Austin wrote:Just the back hair. Just like last time I had to explain that picture.

Edit: And I was reading through Pr0ner in the other thread, looking for clues, and came across it. Pr0ner, what do you think I have found?
That you're fishing for clues that don't exist?
Pretty much. I didn't find anything especially damning.

Figures as much.

I'm still leaving my vote on you until I can be convinced otherwise.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:21 pm

Well I'd go back and reread Remus too but there's little chance he'd play so badly a second time in a row. At least I know now I carried him in the 'poke the innocents' game.

I'd really like Grund's matrix now. Hmmmm... I wonder if he'd sell it between games. Could be a pyramid thing, get in near the top.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:51 pm

Austin wrote:Well I'd go back and reread Remus too but there's little chance he'd play so badly a second time in a row. At least I know now I carried him in the 'poke the innocents' game.

I'd really like Grund's matrix now. Hmmmm... I wonder if he'd sell it between games. Could be a pyramid thing, get in near the top.

Hey! I saved your life that game. "Don't come forward "real" Mage. Stay hidden "real" Mage." Remember that?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:43 pm

Well just did a bit of catch up. Im gonna have to read a bit more close. These wolves are keeping their cards close. But come on.. there are three of them.. that should give us a decent chance of hitting one.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:03 pm

/heads over to Grunds cottage, bows his head to pay his respects, turns and heads to where the other vilalgers are

/sits down on the ground, takes a sip of his hot cocoa

/takes out a notepad, starts to scribble in it, pops his head up,

"Sorry to intrude in here. I have to agree with Truicy in terms of Grund. I think they viewed grund as a threat, and chose to take him out, rather than dealing with him. What that implies, they were intimidated by them? Smart to take him out? Fearful of him? One can only imagine. I know he is going to be missed with his maneuverings. There is only so much we can read into it. I just hope he wasnt a special."

"Otherwise than that, i dont have much to add."

/looks around at the other villagers, watches for a good while.

/gets up stretches his legs and walks off

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:01 pm

Newcastle wrote: "Sorry to intrude in here. I have to agree with Truicy in terms of Grund. I think they viewed grund as a threat, and chose to take him out, rather than dealing with him. What that implies, they were intimidated by them? Smart to take him out? Fearful of him? One can only imagine. I know he is going to be missed with his maneuverings. There is only so much we can read into it. I just hope he wasnt a special."

Indeed. Unfortunately its such an obvious move that it really doesn't say anything. So we're right back at square one.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:27 pm

Silky wrote:
triggercut wrote:For the record: this game, I have no special ability other than a certain crafty-ness.
Alright my thoughts so early in the day 1. Lynch Triggercut

We can all banter about for a time some more if we want. It may give us valuable information down the line but it probably won't. We need the specials to get to work more than we need the "I am just posting to not be quiet" posts.

If you guys want to lynch a quiet one be my guest. I am guessing that at least one of the wolves will try to maintain a very low profile. One of our specials might want to do the same thing however.

Now why Triggercut... he gave me as good a reason as I will ever need on day 1.

So...wait. I get accused because I make a quick before work post to check in? Okay, I suppose. Of course, the person accusing me then disappears as well...

Here's some logic:

1. I am not a wolf or on the wolf team. I'm a villager.
2. The Village team stands to be hurt if I go to the noose, as they'll lose a part of their voting majority.
3. The wolf team stands to gain by my lynching.
4. Therefore, the only reason someone would want me lynched is because they're a wolf.

Lynch Silky.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:08 pm

OK, I'll admit I've really got nothing big to go on here - but I'll share my thoughts.

(All post counts start after Chaosraven announced the beginning of Night 1)

Austin. 19 posts - almost all light and fluffy talk about previous games or jokes about this one. Of those 19 posts, I think only 6 could be labelled 'game analysis' or 'guilt debate' or even 'accusation' (and that is being very generous, it's more like 3).

Remus West. 20 posts - also, a vast majority of them have been totally 'off topic' or light and whimsical... The only thing that helps Remus is that he's dabbled a bit more in actual game 'analysis' than Austin did. I would say of his 20 posts, 7 are fairly labelled relevant to game analysis. Also, being wolf 3 times in a row seems statistically impossible... but then again, maybe the 3rd time's the charm.

Together, Austin and Remus seem like they are very much playing the same game. However, that could just be my neophyte observation and I am misreading two pro's playing with a cool, calm level of ease... In any case, their posts have been lighting up my radar.

Lassr. 6 posts. 3 of them are light accusations being thrown... the first at Remus, the second at Austin, and then the last one on Zurai. No real analysis, but 3 accusations (light as they were). Were the first 2 thrown for plausible deniability later?

Mr. Bubbles. 6 posts, the first few were basically just replies to others, the last couple were modest attempts at some analysis. Everything seems on the up-n-up.

Silky. 4 posts that are hard to judge. Strange comment to Grundbegruff that I just didn't get - seemed benign enough though. He's accused triggercut, but didn't really say why, and then he did a little game analysis.

pr0ner. 5 posts, 3 of which are used to point out Austin. Personally, I think his initial accusation was a joke but I wouldn't be surprised if pr0ner isn't kidding at this point. Also, strangely - Austin (until recently) didn't seem to push-back at any of these posts.

Newcastle. 2 posts. He's chimed in to avoid a 'poke', and then he's come back with his analysis. I have trouble reading Newcastle, but his anlysis seems sincere and doesn't come across as being misleading.

triggercut. 3 posts. Hard to read so far. I think Silky may have been bothered by triggercut's accusation of Zurai (following Austin's poke of Zurai.) It could be read as an attempt to build a vote, but I didn't think it was much more than an "ahhh sure, why not" vote. There is a good chance that triggercut and Silky are both innocent actually and wrongfully accusing eachother.

tru1cy. 4 posts. All of them were game focused, and properly suspisious of Austin, if you ask me.

Zurai. 2 posts. He chimed in super late with a meta-game reason. What else can we say?

Unagi. 3 posts, each one better than the last, although his first was the most thought out.

Given that, I've got three buckets.

"Leaning Innocent", "On the Fence", and "Leaning Wolf"

Leaning Innocent:
Grundbegriff - despite Remus' concerns...
Unagi - (You can replace my name with your name here, should you like)
pr0ner - not affraid to stick with his gut on this, and I think his gut was right.
tru1cy - just helpful analysis, and I feel it's well focused.

On the Fence:
Mr Bubbles - nearly in the 'Leaning Innocent' group, just shy of it really.
Newcastle - Too hard to read, but seems helpful.
Zurai - not enough data, nearly in my 'Leaning Wolf' bucket
triggercut - not much to go on here either.
Silky - Could use a little more information, seems honest - but I am not following well.

Leaning Wolf:
Lassr - Barely got into this catagory - but his posts have been unfocused...(IMO)
Remus West - I could be convinced otherwise, I just can't get the tune out of my head!
Austin - Someone needs to convince me otherwise

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:33 pm

Unagi, not so much a defense against myself but the light-hearted stuff started before the game started and it's common; we're playing a game. There's plenty of time to get ugly later when needed.

Most of the votes pointed at me are because I'm good at being a bad guy, this game I am not a bad guy. There hasn't been much to work with yet but I am watching for some trends to develop and will certainly deliver my analysis when the time comes. I'm not special so don't worry too much about lynching me. We can afford a few misses but I'd rather nail a wolf today.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:22 pm

Unagi wrote:
Leaning Wolf:
Lassr - Barely got into this catagory - but his posts have been unfocused...(IMO)

who am I suppose to focus on?
I pestered Austin as I always do at the start of the game.

Zurai · Post by **Zurai** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:27 pm

This game seems to be starting off unusually slowly. Only a couple people have made meaningful posts so far, and, as usual for day 1, absolutely nothing of interest has surfaced.

Right now, the only people that are really tripping my radar to any degree at all are Silky, Triggercut, and Unagi - but those are all minor blips and I don't really get the feeling that any of them are actually wolves.

That said, I'm going to go ahead and poke Silky. That initial vote on triggercut during the time he had previously told us he'd be away was a strange thing to do, and it's the "most wolfy" thing I've seen on day 1.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:51 pm

Austin,
I've gone back and checked a few of the last games and well - I'm still a bit split. On one hand, I did see exactly what you claimed... some light-hearted stuff is tossed around sometimes before the game starts (and goes into day 1 perhaps, etc). I'm admittedly new and greenhorned with this game, so I will let some of the other 'vets' back you up and say that your first 4 pages of posts should be ignored. The truth is though, only you and Remus posted more than 7 times. While it's quite possible that Remus is the only one that loves your jokes, I would have expected to have seen a couple other people with 10-15 posts... The fact that you and Remus shared such a relaxed exchange may be a very weak argument for guilt. It is, however, a boat-load more than I can drum up against anyone else.

Lassr,
I'm not really sure 'who' you should focus on actually. I'm being honest in saying that you barely got shifted into that category, and even Remus and Austin were put there for pretty weak reasons.

sigh. I'm a little behind the curve on my analysis skills, but I'm trying to let it all hang out.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:22 pm

Unagi wrote:Austin,
I've gone back and checked a few of the last games and well - I'm still a bit split. On one hand, I did see exactly what you claimed... some light-hearted stuff is tossed around sometimes before the game starts (and goes into day 1 perhaps, etc). I'm admittedly new and greenhorned with this game, so I will let some of the other 'vets' back you up and say that your first 4 pages of posts should be ignored. The truth is though, only you and Remus posted more than 7 times. While it's quite possible that Remus is the only one that loves your jokes, I would have expected to have seen a couple other people with 10-15 posts... The fact that you and Remus shared such a relaxed exchange may be a very weak argument for guilt. It is, however, a boat-load more than I can drum up against anyone else.

Lassr,
I'm not really sure 'who' you should focus on actually. I'm being honest in saying that you barely got shifted into that category, and even Remus and Austin were put there for pretty weak reasons.

sigh. I'm a little behind the curve on my analysis skills, but I'm trying to let it all hang out.

You're just new. Some people post more than others. When time permits I post a lot. Remus does too, as do Grund and Chaosraven. You'll learn all about day 1. I'm better off dead than a special but I'd rather hear a lot more before my head goes in the noose. I really don't mind dieing on day 1 when I'm not special but I prefer something come of it.

I am having troubles figuring you out though. You point to pr0ner's suspicions of me when he doesn't really have much to go on. I mean he's voting for my lousy sense of humor. I have no idea about how shifty you are or if you're being genuine but I'm picking up a degree of a wolf pressing for an innocent with plans to blame another innocent. I'm guessing, but I'd bet if you turned up wolfy then pr0ner would turn up innocent. See most of us are flying blind right now, yet some how you are really, really certain of me bing a wolf. If you are the Seer, you did not scan me - if you are a regular innocent you are way to convinced of something due to post counts. (oh I'm sorry it's pr0ner's fault right?) I pushed back a little bit and you backed of a little bit. Only a wolf would have any certainty of me that would recommend a lynch.

On the other hand, if it's a guess, it's a guess and we all make mistakes; no biggie. Tell me more about pr0ner Unagi.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:27 pm

Right now Unagi/Pr0ner, silky/Triggercut are two pairings I find interesting. Nothing especially strong yet but we'll see.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:09 pm

I'm keeping my vote on Silky for now, but really there just isn't too much of anything to go on here. The best use of this day one (and it usually is pretty drawn out) is to look at voting patterns in a few days. Vote patterns won't give you the primary reason to point to a wolf, but they will help confirm suspcions somewhat.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:14 pm

Some interesting things going on. Sadly not getting the ID of the hanged is going to put us in a bind in interpreting those things.

Initially I had voted for Silky because I thought his post strange. I figured the manner in which it was done said one of two things.

1) I'm a wolf trying to get an innocent lynched before they can come defend themselves.

2) I'm the Seer and scan a wolf who I want to get lynched.

I figure that by voting for Silky a wolf would have to join in the vote if he was the Seer because Triggercut could easily post the retaliatory vote that he did. It took a while for it to come around but Zurai finally jumped on the vote. Does that mean anything? I'm not sure, but it feels wrong.

withdraw Silky

Still could be case 1 since it took so long for anyone to join in but I don't know.

As for Unagi's post, Austin already addressed the post count thing. Both of us always are near the top of the post count in these games. Some people post more than others. Does that say anything about either of us? Not really. We both post a lot regardless of good/bad guy roles. Unagi's top three suspects are the top three posters. Odd. The one game he lived in he showed he was good at putting things together better than that. There are certainly better suspects out there than the talkitive ones. I know I'm innocent. I haven't seen anything from Austin to make me suspect him but that doesn't mean I don't, he is a sneaky one.

For now my top three would be:

triggercut
Zurai
Unagi

so I think I will see what happens when I vote triggercut.

I do not get the Unagi/pr0ner connection Austin implies. pr0ner has thus far been pr0ner to me. His posted a bit at the beginning and hasn't been back much. Seems typical to me.

I'm going to go back through the thread and post an updated vote count.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:22 pm

1. Austin - Zurai (w)
2. pr0ner - Austin
3. Lassr - none
4. Zurai - Silky
5. tru1cy - Austin
6. Remus West - Silky (w) triggercut
7. Grundbegriff - eaten
8. Mr Bubbles - none
9. Unagi - Austin
10. triggercut - Silky
11. Newcastle - none
12. Silky - triggercut

Austin - 3
Silky - 2
triggercut - 2
Majority is 6

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:01 am

Unagi,
plus you have to consider this is the weekend so you're not going to get a lot of analysis and posts until we have time.

First day there are a few things I look for...
I like to look for follow on votes and accusations against more than one player by a single player.

Just so happens you've now done both.
You have a long list above listing everyone. Then naming your top 3 suspects. One being Austin which is convenient since he already had 2 votes against him, you then vote making it 3. Austin is always someone I watch closely now but I've really seen nothing to warrant a vote for him.

Then you are basing my guilt on 3 jokes. You call them light accusations but they weren't accusations at all just jokes.
When I read that I was thinking when did I accuse Remus and Zurai and had to go back and look through the thread. Just seems you are reaching trying maybe to get someone to start a vote against us especially Austin.

SO for now I'm voting Unagi.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:18 am

OK, I'm still kinda cracking up. (and I'm not trying to come across sarcastic, innocent, or guilty) - That post, Austin just had me in stiches. You summed up so well what I love about this game, the whole 'On the other hand...' is constantly what I'm always saying...

Now, where do I begin. Now, I'm all paranoid that anything I say you will try and turn me into a wolf.
First, sadly - my whole post was totally genuine. In my defense, I did say I had "nothing big to go on here" and that my evidence against you "very weak". You have managed to turn that into "...you are really, really certain of me being a wolf." & "Only a wold would have any certainty of me that would recommend a lynch." Nice.

Actually, I tried to approach my analysis with a degree of objectivity, and tried to be clear that I was guessing at things, using data that was totally limited in it's value as well. And, for what it's worht, I don't know anything special at all, quite the frustratingly opposite (hence the post).
Also, I didn't think I played off pr0ner in this, and if I need to be clearer with that I will. After my look at your posts (counts, and the nature of them), it looked a little to me like you stood out, for what ever that possibly could mean. Call it gut. I saw that pr0ner and tru1cy* (whom you never ever mention for some reason

) were maybe seeing what I was seeing and basically said as much. I readily admit this kind of thing can be a wolf hideing behind another (I'd actually be hiding behind tru1cy* too), but I assure you it is not. You've turned my analysis on pr0ner into me using him as a fall guy. I'm not, he's welcome to his own opinion on this ultimately and we'll see if it's a simple as your lousy sense of humor, or if he has any other thoughts.

*same with tru1cy, who made it very clear that he could change his mind and would probably do so.

Anyhow. Like I said, I am oppen to someone making an argument against someone else. I'm not sure if I should pull my vote off you or not. I feel a little bit like you might be bullying me Austin.

When I read your reply to me I felt like it went from patting me on the head a little , then scolding me, and ended with a 'unless you want to behave?'

Anyhow, in closing (and reply to Lassr) - my analysis was an ice breaker and generated a little more game talk than was going on. I am not commited to Austin being lynched (but nor was being less than genuine) and I'm open to other thoughts (other than a vote for Unagi). I am not actually throwing guilt around any more than anyone else has done (perhaps just in their heads), I am openly guessing at things and - perhaps a bit to vocal (I am getting the feeling)

.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:21 am

mangled english a bit, but it's edit free

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:26 am

Remus, I'm curious as to your vote on me.

What kernel of anything that I've typed in this thread since the game started could give you the idea that I'm a wolf? I've specifically said "I'm not a wolf", and there's no "conversion" mechanic in this game.

I gave a very stupidly simple reason for my vote on Silky, btw. I know that I am a villager, so to my own knowledge, there's only one person in this thread sending an innocent to the noose, and that was Silky.

Now you have jumped on his bandwagon.

Makes me suspicious.

You know what would make a lot of the village suspicious of the motives of either you or Silky? Me being lynched and thus revealed as an innocent. Think about that sort of unwanted attention for a while, wolfboy.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:47 am

Unagi wrote:
...I did say I had "nothing big to go on here" and that my evidence against you "very weak". You have managed to turn that into "...you are really, really certain of me being a wolf." & "Only a wold would have any certainty of me that would recommend a lynch."

Unagi wrote:Austin - Someone needs to convince me otherwise

This is what I'm talking about. You are saying that you need someone else to convince you of my innocence. Only the Seer can do that.

Anyway, my continued Pr0ner thing had nothing to do with pr0ner. I was just trying to see how Unagi would respond to being pr0ked.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:49 am

triggercut wrote:
You know what would make a lot of the village suspicious of the motives of either you or Silky? Me being lynched and thus revealed as an innocent. Think about that sort of unwanted attention for a while, wolfboy.

Rulez

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:53 am

Unagi wrote: mangled english a bit, but it's edit free

It's not a "no-edit" game. Edits are allowed. I think generally people only get their hackles up when they see edits that occurred way after the post. If you have to run back through and clean up some grammar right after a post it doesn't really cause any problems.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:56 am

Unagi wrote:
pr0ner. 5 posts, 3 of which are used to point out Austin. Personally, I think his initial accusation was a joke but I wouldn't be surprised if pr0ner isn't kidding at this point.

Why do you say this?

Also, strangely - Austin (until recently) didn't seem to push-back at any of these posts.

why would I push back at votes tied to, "I don't find Austin funny despite the other 98% of the world with a sense of humor".

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:03 am

Austin wrote:
Unagi wrote: ...I did say I had "nothing big to go on here" and that my evidence against you "very weak". You have managed to turn that into "...you are really, really certain of me being a wolf." & "Only a wold would have any certainty of me that would recommend a lynch."

Unagi wrote:Austin - Someone needs to convince me otherwise
This is what I'm talking about. You are saying that you need someone else to convince you of my innocence. Only the Seer can do that.
Anyway, my continued Pr0ner thing had nothing to do with pr0ner. I was just trying to see how Unagi would respond to being pr0ked.

Perhaps I should have just worded it better.

"Someone needs to tell me why I would better spend my vote elsewhere"

Again, I am not of the mindset that I'm sure I have found a wolf in you. I am of the mindset that, in order to move day 1 forward, your my best vote, unless someone can convince me otherwise.

Honestly, my vote is mostly from my gut, the analysis and numbers helped me feel slightly more justified than just randomly picking someone.

Frankly, your behviour and agression against me seems a little suspisous too. I am 1 vote of 3, and I've been pretty clear regarding my reasons (weak or not)... I would think right now you would be asking for tru1cy and pr0ner to just simply un-vote for you. I most certainly did not place my vote thinking those 2 votes were locked in.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:34 am

Austin wrote:
Unagi wrote: pr0ner. 5 posts, 3 of which are used to point out Austin. Personally, I think his initial accusation was a joke but I wouldn't be surprised if pr0ner isn't kidding at this point.
Why do you say this?

Well, I simply said it as I felt it may be the truth Austin.
Austin started with an obviously silly accusation:

pr0ner wrote:Austin because he makes lame jokes.

(Remus, btw replied right away that this was of course a silly reason to vote for someone, and rightly stated that he doubted if anyone had anything substantial on anyone else)(I had a nice post that follows his).

Anyhow, that is why I said his initial accusation was probably a joke.

His next statement was basically a pronouncement that he had no better reason to vote for you.

Followed up by you saying something a little weird:

Austin wrote: ...I was reading through Pr0ner in the other thread, looking for clues. Pr0ner, what do you think I have found?

(clearly, this was you saying that pr0ner may be a wolf again, and you were checking the last game to see if he left any clues the last time he was wolf.)
His reply was that he bet you found nothing. You admitted as much.

What I find sorta interesting is that next pr0ner actually wrote:

pr0ner wrote:I'm still leaving my vote on you until I can be convinced otherwise

You were totally fine with that.
You were totally fine with tru1cy jumping on that vote train too.

Unagi wrote:Austin - Someone needs to convince me otherwise

...preceeded by some meek reasoning, for some reason set you off on me like, well like a wolf.

Austin wrote:
Also, strangely - Austin (until recently) didn't seem to push-back at any of these posts.
why would I push back at votes tied to, "I don't find Austin funny despite the other 98% of the world with a sense of humor".

Because this was the light and whimsicle part of the game? I actually don't hold the fact that you didn't push-back all that much against you, it was just 1 extra little thing that seemed perhaps meaningful (perhaps meaningless).

(edit: to fix all my quotes)

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:35 am

/walks back into the village square, finds a seat amongst the chattering villagers and sits down

/he starts to massage his right arm with his left hand, trying to ease the soreness out of it

/he speaks up

Some simple thoughts I wish to share.

If I were to vote right now, I would place my vote on Silky. Main reason is the triggercut vote, and then his subsequent disappearance (i know and do realize its the weekend though). It's the most blatant thing right now. I find that tiff interesting. I agree with zurai to a degree in that it could be a wolfish maneuver. Yet I wonder since it's not too subtle, but then again these might not be subtle wolves. However, i want to see his reaction and hence am witholding my vote

Next tied would be lassr and unaqi. It just seems as if lassr is flitting around and not sure on things. However, there might be a method to his madness. I was sincerely wrong about him last game, but might be right this time around

Then it would be unaqi, and that is primarily based on his austin vote. I think we all have a natural distrust of austin, which I think is warranted. Yet i also think that they could use that natural distrust to usher austin to the gallows. This is not a defense of austin (for all i know austin could be innocent as an angel or guilty as sin.), it's simply an angle of analysis i have thought about.

I sit back and am watching. I thought I would simply share my thoughts. I am withholding my vote because I much rather have a firmer conviction before i vote to send someone to the gallows.

/he shifts his weight and continues to listen to the village discuss

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:10 pm

Newcastle wrote: It just seems as if lassr is flitting around and not sure on things.

You got that part right!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:13 pm

With Unagi being new to these games I'm not sure how to read his responses.
But he is being VERY defensive in our attacks on him.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:01 pm

triggercut wrote:That's a bummer. The villagers don't have a hunter/protector in this game, so it'll be a huge challenge for us. The wolves can kill without worrying about protection cycles.

For the record: this game, I have no special ability other than a certain crafty-ness.

The phrase "the villagers" makes it sound like you are not one. Combined with the possibility of Silky being the Seer, which I mentioned, makes it worth placing a vote on you and seeing where it goes. I'm not certain I will live it on you but for now I am interested in how people treat it.

Silky · Post by **Silky** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:30 pm

I would don't want anyone to get lynched over false assumptions. If I was the seer I didn't scan triggercut and identify him as a wolf.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:23 pm

Lassr wrote:With Unagi being new to these games I'm not sure how to read his responses.
But he is being VERY defensive in our attacks on him.

So, at first I was a wolf because I was too aggressive with my analysis and accusations. Now I am a wolf because I'm being VERY defensive?

Actually, I am not sure you could say I am being VERY defensive. I certainly have tried to defend my analysis for being genuine. Other than that, I'm replying to Austin's (and your) aggresive replies to my analysis. Don't try and turn this around and make ME look defensive. I am the one that stuck my neck out and had the nerve to post an opinion on everyone. You took that and aggresively attacked me back with teeth bared. I pushed back a very modest amount.

Frankly, the way Austin and you both replied to my analysis makes me feel even better about posting it at this point. You speak about being very defensive. How would you describe your own reaction to me putting you in the "Leaning Wolf" bucket? I said I barely put you there. I said it was based on light accusations. I said a lot that would have given you plenty of room to just ignore my listing you... but no, you are the one that got VERY defensive.

I'm not a wolf. If you and Austin were being honest, you would admit my play is actually not very 'wolf like'. Not to mention, I can't imagine what 2 other wolves I would be paired with right now that would have told the rookie to go post a long analysis post like that.