Battlestar Galactica II - Day 4 - Humans win.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:07 pm

stessier wrote:
Actually, it does prove Austin.

Chaos said Austin, Unagi said Austin. Worst case, Chaos and Unagi are cylons, this clears Austin.

If Chaos is cylon, and Unagi is Athena, then Austin is human and vice versa. So Austin is human.

Human yes. You think there won't be a traitor tonight?

Fine trust Austin today. Should you trust him in the morning? Even if he offers to fix breakfast?

Both cleared him, sure did.

For Athena to be ALIVE....Chaos will be cylon. Trig is cylon. Unagi will be cylon. Guess what? There's still 2 cylons left and the traitor. How is Austin cleared?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:08 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Why aren't we lynching Scoop or have I missed something?
I agree, tru1cy.

Killing me will prove that Unagi is lying and it will also mean people will stop trying to correct me all the damn time.

When the other doctors find I am human, then you can lynch Unagi who blow up in your faces and take another human with him. Then you still have a hidden 6 or cavil. If it's 6, then he still has TWO shots at contacting baltar at night which bumps the cylons back up to 2 even after you guys get unagi.

Genghis, FYI, I am a doctor. Any corrections?

I believe that Unagi offered you as either: Cylon Bait to keep alive and argue his Athenaness laster.
or
Human so that the Ship would lynch him so he can explode.

In the event you are Cylon, I deduce you are Cavil as Six is more important.

As he did not know I was going to out triggercut, I had a 50/50 chance triggercut is Six.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:09 pm

I just looked back and saw that my vote was for scoop so for the rules nazis.... WD Scoop Vote Unagi.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:12 pm

Kraegor wrote:Human yes. You think there won't be a traitor tonight?

Fine trust Austin today. Should you trust him in the morning? Even if he offers to fix breakfast?

If the Ship is not informed there is a Traitor, yes, Austin can be trusted.

If Baltar is found (if I was wrong about triggercut as Six) then no you cannot.

If Unagi does not blow me up, the Bad Guy can choose to kill me tonight.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:12 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Why aren't we lynching Scoop or have I missed something?
I agree, tru1cy.

Killing me will prove that Unagi is lying and it will also mean people will stop trying to correct me all the damn time.

When the other doctors find I am human, then you can lynch Unagi who blow up in your faces and take another human with him. Then you still have a hidden 6 or cavil. If it's 6, then he still has TWO shots at contacting baltar at night which bumps the cylons back up to 2 even after you guys get unagi.

Genghis, FYI, I am a doctor. Any corrections?

Just that you were adamant Choas was 12 for, like, the last 7 pages. Otherwise all looks to be in order.

Oddly, you turned out to be right about Unagi.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:13 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Why aren't we lynching Scoop or have I missed something?
I agree, tru1cy.

Killing me will prove that Unagi is lying and it will also mean people will stop trying to correct me all the damn time.

When the other doctors find I am human, then you can lynch Unagi who blow up in your faces and take another human with him. Then you still have a hidden 6 or cavil. If it's 6, then he still has TWO shots at contacting baltar at night which bumps the cylons back up to 2 even after you guys get unagi.

Genghis, FYI, I am a doctor. Any corrections?
I believe that Unagi offered you as either: Cylon Bait to keep alive and argue his Athenaness laster.
or
Human so that the Ship would lynch him so he can explode.

In the event you are Cylon, I deduce you are Cavil as Six is more important.

As he did not know I was going to out triggercut, I had a 50/50 chance triggercut is Six.

I want to apologize to Austin for questioning his humanity.

The question becomes who the last cylon is. If Unagi does not blow up....and I don't think he will...then we have to find #12 and that will prove more challenging if Chaos is killed tonight.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:14 pm

Kraegor wrote:
stessier wrote:
Actually, it does prove Austin.

Chaos said Austin, Unagi said Austin. Worst case, Chaos and Unagi are cylons, this clears Austin.

If Chaos is cylon, and Unagi is Athena, then Austin is human and vice versa. So Austin is human.
Human yes. You think there won't be a traitor tonight?

Fine trust Austin today. Should you trust him in the morning? Even if he offers to fix breakfast?

Both cleared him, sure did.

For Athena to be ALIVE....Chaos will be cylon. Trig is cylon. Unagi will be cylon. Guess what? There's still 2 cylons left and the traitor. How is Austin cleared?

should clarify...the above is tomorrow with trig and unagi dead.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:16 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Kraegor wrote:Human yes. You think there won't be a traitor tonight?

Fine trust Austin today. Should you trust him in the morning? Even if he offers to fix breakfast?
If the Ship is not informed there is a Traitor, yes, Austin can be trusted.

If Baltar is found (if I was wrong about triggercut as Six) then no you cannot.

If Unagi does not blow me up, the Bad Guy can choose to kill me tonight.

Remember #12 wasn't in contact. Apollo is dead. So we can't know the role of Triggy or Unagi. My gut feeling is that Triggy and Unagi are Cavil and 6 and #12 has been patiently hiding. We'll know very soon either way.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:17 pm

It was an Honor to Serve.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:18 pm

Maybe Kraegor is 12 and just letting out little blowups in his posts. Kraegor is having birth pangs.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:19 pm

Starbuck can protect Athena if she is still with us... Athena is way more important than a human...even a doctor.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:20 pm

malchior wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
Kraegor wrote:Human yes. You think there won't be a traitor tonight?

Fine trust Austin today. Should you trust him in the morning? Even if he offers to fix breakfast?
If the Ship is not informed there is a Traitor, yes, Austin can be trusted.

If Baltar is found (if I was wrong about triggercut as Six) then no you cannot.

If Unagi does not blow me up, the Bad Guy can choose to kill me tonight.
Remember #12 wasn't in contact. Apollo is dead. So we can't know the role of Triggy or Unagi. My gut feeling is that Triggy and Unagi are Cavil and 6 and #12 has been patiently hiding. We'll know very soon either way.

I would be glad for this to be the case, as my objective was to destroy Six before he contacted Baltar. Sadly, it makes more sense for #12 to have Faked Athena.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:20 pm

Chaosraven wrote:It was an Honor to Serve.

If he doesn't kill you today, I look forward to tomorrow's scan result.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:20 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Kraegor wrote:
stessier wrote:
Actually, it does prove Austin.

Chaos said Austin, Unagi said Austin. Worst case, Chaos and Unagi are cylons, this clears Austin.

If Chaos is cylon, and Unagi is Athena, then Austin is human and vice versa. So Austin is human.
Human yes. You think there won't be a traitor tonight?

Fine trust Austin today. Should you trust him in the morning? Even if he offers to fix breakfast?

Both cleared him, sure did.

For Athena to be ALIVE....Chaos will be cylon. Trig is cylon. Unagi will be cylon. Guess what? There's still 2 cylons left and the traitor. How is Austin cleared?
should clarify...the above is tomorrow with trig and unagi dead.

Let's just hope there is no conversion tonight then, or that if Unagi is 12, Chaos is taken out. Then there would be only 1 cylon and a traitor. And yes, Austin would be back under suspicion.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:23 pm

malchior wrote:Starbuck can protect Athena if she is still with us... Athena is way more important than a human...even a doctor.

I disagree.

Helo is 100% proven.
Austin is 100% proven until a Traitor In The Midst message comes.
Either of them can be protected by Starbuck at NO RISK tonight.
Even if I have delivered 2 Cylons, I am only Proven by Dying by a Bad Guys hand or when all 3 Bad Cylons are Dead.
I am still a Risk.

The questions are: did triggercut CHANCE that Apollo was dead (Remus) or did they Scan Grund and discover Apollo was Dead?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:26 pm

stessier wrote:And yes, Austin would be back under suspicion.

You Sir are the only 100% Proven Good Guy.

If Baltar is converted, you know Six is still alive and Baltar could be any of the other Players.

We presume tru1cy and Genghis are Doctors. We presume Newcastle was a Citizen. We can presume either Remus or Grund was Apollo.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:33 pm

Kraegor wrote:
stessier wrote:
Actually, it does prove Austin.

Chaos said Austin, Unagi said Austin. Worst case, Chaos and Unagi are cylons, this clears Austin.

If Chaos is cylon, and Unagi is Athena, then Austin is human and vice versa. So Austin is human.
Human yes. You think there won't be a traitor tonight?

Fine trust Austin today. Should you trust him in the morning? Even if he offers to fix breakfast?

Both cleared him, sure did.

For Athena to be ALIVE....Chaos will be cylon. Trig is cylon. Unagi will be cylon. Guess what? There's still 2 cylons left and the traitor. How is Austin cleared?

I tend to agree, but the only other solution is to lynch Scoop. But the facts say that Chaos is more likely who he says who he is. He hasn't been cleared and neither has Austin, but neither are any of us really.

Here is the situation as it appears right now.

1. Grund was Apollo. He was killed first because he is a strong player and Trig and Unagi would have feared his deductive powers.

2. We lynch Newcastle randomishly.

3. They scan Grund. He comes up Apollo. They now hold a fake Apollo card.

4. They decide to kill Remus.

5. Chaos announces he is Athena...to out a cylon and net us a quick kill.

6. Unagi steps up to complicate the situation but creates a logical situation where it becomes easy (but not efficient) to identify who the real Athena is. He names Scoop

7. Trig steps up and plays his fake Apollo card to throw us off our game and dispute his cylonic nature. He says Grund is a doctor. I believe this was to force us to question Scoops late Doctor claim. I tend to believe the Doctor's are all who they say they are, because no one else claimed Doctorhood, and Triggy was definitely lying. That is unless Proner is the doctor and his MIA-ness is being exploited.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:39 pm

pr0ner came in and said he was none of the above when asked if he was Dr., Apollo, Athena, or cylon.

I hope he wouldn't have kept his MD a secret in our situation.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:39 pm

malchior wrote:But the facts say that Chaos is more likely who he says who he is. He hasn't been cleared and neither has Austin, but neither are any of us really.

Negative.

Austin cannot be a Cylon. He could be Baltar. Unless a Traitor In The Midst Result comes from Lassr he is still considered Human and trusted.

stessier is confirmed 100% by using the Heloshot.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:47 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
malchior wrote:But the facts say that Chaos is more likely who he says who he is. He hasn't been cleared and neither has Austin, but neither are any of us really.
Negative.

Austin cannot be a Cylon. He could be Baltar. Unless a Traitor In The Midst Result comes from Lassr he is still considered Human and trusted.

stessier is confirmed 100% by using the Heloshot.

I meant he wasn't cleared in the he could go evil route. Right now he is trusted, but Baltar could be playing the other side right now. It's way more risky at this point, but they might figure that they will be contacted soon. I think with Unagi's death that we will have found Cavil and 6 and there can't be a traitor anyway. Unfortunately, there is no way to confirm this.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:51 pm

Pr0ner claimed nothing which means I think he is an innocent crewment or hidden six/cavil/12 or baltar trying to stay low key.

We only have one 100% good guy and that is stessier. He should be our protection tonight.

I'm starting to really believe that Chaos is Athena though he playstyle made it hard to believe him. I would have prefered we protect Chaos/Athena tonight instead of stessier/helo but since he isn't 100% innocent protecting him could cost us Starbuck so no go there.

Trig was a bad guy. Thats one down. We have to assume he was cavil and that 6 or 12 are still at large. Assuming otherwise would make an ass out of you and me if we are wrong.

Lynching Unagi will net us either six or 12 (possibly Baltar but the rules seem to suggest he is on our side until turning). If it's 12, then we lose another human. If Unagi blows he most likely takes either stessier or Chaos. This is why I argued against shooting trigger or myself.

Baltar is still at large and is scanning and we have to assume six is still at large and scanning too.

If apollo is still alive and hiding, he should scan either triggercut or Unagi (or me if I'm lynched). If the scan comes back six or 12, he should announce it. Otherwise he should stay quiet. Apollo coming out does not prove his innocence since we have no way to prove it save an Athena scan.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:58 pm

I'm back. that was quick!

tru1cy ---
Chaosraven --- unagi
RevHempus71 ---
Scoop20906 --- unagi
Austin --- unagi
kraegor ---
Genghis --- unagi
pr0ner --- unagi
Unagi ---
stessier --- unagi
malchior --- unagi

---
unagi --- 7
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---

Majority is 7.

voting closed

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:01 pm

Unagi is terminated.

Once triggercut was revealed as a Cylon the voting went quickly for the next termination. Unagi’s number was up. Scoop20906 cast vote #6 and happily took the sidearm on the table and pointed it at Unagi. “Wait.” Cried Malchior, “let me do it!” as he arrived late for the termination vote. Scoop20906 reluctantly gave the sidearm to Malchior and stepped aside. Malchior raised the pistol but before he could pull the trigger Unagi spoke, “You arrived just in time.”
Machior stared at Unagi with a puzzled look on his face and then there was a blinding flash…
Unagi exploded, Malchior was torn to bits, and the crew was pelted with bits and pieces of flesh, organs, and blood.
“Oh, Sweet Lords of Cobol!” someone screamed.
“Guess no autopsy is needed for this mess.”
“Everyone turn in and get cleaned up. We’ll meet back here tomorrow morning. 0700.”

It is night.
All specials send me your orders.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:03 pm

Guess he was going after Starbuck. Wonder if he got her.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:04 pm

Crap, I knew it but I was arguing for the wrong guy. But, even if I had argued to shoot Unagi, I doubt you guys would have listened to me anyway.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:06 pm

yes everyone, let's get a consensus on whom starbuck should protect that way the cylons know whom to avoid....

starbuck protect me, I'm the only one that is confimed.

Helo can no longer prove himself so he may be converted tomorrow but we'll have no way of knowing.

Shouldn't protect Austin cuz he's a fool. a fool! I SAY!

Can't protect chaos cuz chaos is not proven and is likely just a ghost.

can't protect the doctors cuz if you protect 1 then the others get jelous and you end up with one pig cry baby convention of who you like more.

Can't protect scoop cuz he's under suspicion.

Can't protect pr0ner cuz he's that nice quiet neighbor type who will stalk you forever if he thinks yer checkin him out.

can't protect malchior...cuz really what's the point?

can't protect revhempus cuz he's a doper and you know them dopers....

So that leaves me. The only safe one to protect. I'm harmless. Well groomed. A pisces with a penchant for alliteration. I like long walks in the park and the smell of napalm in the morning. and if you are dead starbuck....put in a good word for me will ya?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:08 pm

Kraegor wrote:yes everyone, let's get a consensus on whom starbuck should protect that way the cylons know whom to avoid....

starbuck protect me, I'm the only one that is confimed.

Helo can no longer prove himself so he may be converted tomorrow but we'll have no way of knowing.

Shouldn't protect Austin cuz he's a fool. a fool! I SAY!

Can't protect chaos cuz chaos is not proven and is likely just a ghost.

can't protect the doctors cuz if you protect 1 then the others get jelous and you end up with one pig cry baby convention of who you like more.

Can't protect scoop cuz he's under suspicion.

Can't protect pr0ner cuz he's that nice quiet neighbor type who will stalk you forever if he thinks yer checkin him out.

can't protect malchior...cuz really what's the point?

can't protect revhempus cuz he's a doper and you know them dopers....

So that leaves me. The only safe one to protect. I'm harmless. Well groomed. A pisces with a penchant for alliteration. I like long walks in the park and the smell of napalm in the morning. and if you are dead starbuck....put in a good word for me will ya?

I don't get the "Helo can be converted" part. You know I can be Helo and Baltar, right?

Maybe my comedy filter is on the fritz...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:09 pm

Dang it! Should say "can't be Helo and Baltar."

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:12 pm

stessier wrote:Dang it! Should say "can't be Helo and Baltar."

now that's just foolish. all it takes is a gun...this is a friggin battlecruiser...do you mean to tell me we don't have a weapons cabinet? don't be naive!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:22 pm

Kraegor wrote:
stessier wrote:Dang it! Should say "can't be Helo and Baltar."
now that's just foolish. all it takes is a gun...this is a friggin battlecruiser...do you mean to tell me we don't have a weapons cabinet? don't be naive!

Adama really should just blast us to smithereens. With the blood letting that has already occurred and the main characters who are no more, what is the point? The powerless civilians? Yeah, right. Just more mouths to feed with the limited stores...

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:24 pm

Kraegor wrote:Helo can no longer prove himself so he may be converted tomorrow but we'll have no way of knowing.

Helo cannot be converted. And if Baltar is Converted, we are informed by Lassr.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:25 pm

Do you realize that there is a strong possibility we will have as many deaths in the last 3 pages as we did in the first 42?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:27 pm

If Starbuck is still alive, he has the Option of Protecting - stessier (Helo), Austin (Human), himself, or Chaosraven (Unconfirmed, but likely Athena)

You do not have definitive proof to Protect Me to allow me to Scan. I predict I will be killed tonight.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:30 pm

stessier wrote:Do you realize that there is a strong possibility we will have as many deaths in the last 3 pages as we did in the first 42?

Indeed.

In the event of my demise, please remember that Austin is Human, so he could be Baltar. stessier is Helo (no possible argument), Apollo must be Dead, and I was Athena.

I suppose my Best Play now is to Claim that *I* am Six in the hopes that Baltar attempts to check me and the remaining Bad Guy lets me live as Suspicious?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:42 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Helo cannot be converted. And if Baltar is Converted, we are informed by Lassr.

ya think? how do we know lassr isn't cylon? don't the cylons talk to him? you expect me to believe lassr has our best interests at heart? lassr makes the rules. lassr decides when things happen. are you so simple minded that you actually trust him to not turn on us when we are no longer useful? he's letting people die indiscriminately!! /sob there's no limit to what he might do!!

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:44 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
stessier wrote:Do you realize that there is a strong possibility we will have as many deaths in the last 3 pages as we did in the first 42?
Indeed.

In the event of my demise, please remember that Austin is Human, so he could be Baltar. stessier is Helo (no possible argument), Apollo must be Dead, and I was Athena.

death means you stop being athena? that sucks. are you just Crewmate_Corpse_01 then?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:53 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
stessier wrote:Do you realize that there is a strong possibility we will have as many deaths in the last 3 pages as we did in the first 42?
Indeed.

In the event of my demise, please remember that Austin is Human, so he could be Baltar. stessier is Helo (no possible argument), Apollo must be Dead, and I was Athena.
death means you stop being athena? that sucks. are you just Crewmate_Corpse_01 then?

Yeah, they just put him in a red shirt and fire him out an airlock. Or was that some other show?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:57 pm

Tonight should go relatively quickly, right? I mean, the 1 cylon left has no one to PM, so unless he gets in a heated argument with himself, the choice should be quick (and planned out during our 10 page discussion on who to shoot in the first place).

And the 6/Baltar scans don't happen until afterward, so if they meet, that shouldn't hold us up.

So what's you alls waiting for!!! I want to know who died before I have to leave for the day!!!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:00 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
stessier wrote:Do you realize that there is a strong possibility we will have as many deaths in the last 3 pages as we did in the first 42?
Indeed.

In the event of my demise, please remember that Austin is Human, so he could be Baltar. stessier is Helo (no possible argument), Apollo must be Dead, and I was Athena.

I suppose my Best Play now is to Claim that *I* am Six in the hopes that Baltar attempts to check me and the remaining Bad Guy lets me live as Suspicious?

If you are on your way out, don't you think it would be better to post that info in list form?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:45 pm

Why didn't Unagi explode on Chaosraven? That move make no sense to me.

If CR doesn't die tonight , imo, he has some serious explaining to do