Werewolf 101 Wednesday - Chaosrendered

[stessier]

Same with Grund, he is on a short life span (or should be) so scanning him is a waste since either the village or the wolves should kill him early.

Please, please, PLEASE remember this the next time you are on a ship with homicidal maniacs bent on world domination and your Chief hands you two out of three bad guys before you find yourself with a choice between your friend and Grund on the last day.

[Remus West]

Same with Grund, he is on a short life span (or should be) so scanning him is a waste since either the village or the wolves should kill him early.

Please, please, PLEASE remember this the next time you are on a ship with homicidal maniacs bent on world domination and your Chief hands you two out of three bad guys before you find yourself with a choice between your friend and Grund on the last day.

Is it my fault that the "friend" you mention spent the first part of the other day shouting Newcastle is innocent" before going ahead and being the killing vote on Newcastle?

[stessier]

Is it my fault that the "friend" you mention spent the first part of the other day shouting Newcastle is innocent" before going ahead and being the killing vote on Newcastle?

This is Rev we're talking about. Did you not see the cloud that was following him? What are the chances he remembered what he said that morning when making his vote?

(Just kidding Rev!)

[Kraegor]

P.S.I really want to know what this looked like from the wolves angle. I hope Kraegor or Grund will indulge us.

/shrug. not much of anything. I wasn't involved in it, and by the time it all unfolded I was too late to provide input on how to proceed, thus a case of me being "asleep at the wheel" and then I had no moves left.

I had you as a kill target from day 1, but I did not push the concept simply because I was unwilling to commit to it. More or less stage fright from previous debacle as evil. So I'm kicking myself for doing what I usually do which is ignoring first instinct... I know Grund wasn't married to either of his kill proposals so it's my own fault for caving on mine so easily.

altho on the upside... our original plan of ignore the seer kill the scan... was working pretty well

[Austin]

I mean, I'm not a very good player...

I just said if you and Mipe were the day 1 and 2 scans I'da called shenanigans. To me Grund/Chaos/Me make more sense as day 1 or 2 scans.

Someone has his high opinion pants on today.

[Semaj]

I mean, I'm not a very good player...

I just said if you and Mipe were the day 1 and 2 scans I'da called shenanigans. To me Grund/Chaos/Me make more sense as day 1 or 2 scans.

Someone has his high opinion pants on today.

Arrogance isnt a skill, its a virtue.

Plus I planned on living 3 days this time

[Chaosraven]

What I dont understand was the killing of chaosraven.

Was it a spite thing?

In the event I was actually the Seer and stessier acting as mouthpiece perhaps?

Credit goes to stessier, just a lucky feint on my part.

[Kraegor]

What I dont understand was the killing of chaosraven.

Was it a spite thing?

In the event I was actually the Seer and stessier acting as mouthpiece perhaps?

Credit goes to stessier, just a lucky feint on my part.

no it was pure spite. I can't even post the stuff grund was sending me in Pms ... disturbing... I was scared....

[Mr Bubbles]

I'd like to point out on my first analysis I picked Kraegor as a wolf. Ok I had Stessier too, but picking out two powered was a pretty good percentage. Don't mind the fact that I accidentally named 3 wolves.

[Chaosraven]

What I dont understand was the killing of chaosraven.

Was it a spite thing?

no it was pure spite. I can't even post the stuff grund was sending me in Pms ... disturbing... I was scared....

[Remus West]

I mean, I'm not a very good player...

I just said if you and Mipe were the day 1 and 2 scans I'da called shenanigans. To me Grund/Chaos/Me make more sense as day 1 or 2 scans.

Someone has his high opinion pants on today.

Arrogance isnt a skill, its a virtue.

Plus I planned on living 3 days this time

I'll laugh if you die first night. In fact, I'll pay for it. Cylons, PM me your paypal addresses and I'll give cash for Semaj's head.they'll never see the ruse of getting their identities through this, nevermind that I do not have a paypal account.

[Scoop20906]

I didn't pick up on anybody. You all did very well.

[purge]

Grund recinded a PM to me; he was my suspect had Stess not have made it through the night.

GG everybody, and Semaj ... Mr. Bubbles stole your special seat in the day 1 hearse.

[Grundbegriff]

I had you as a kill target from day 1, but I did not push the concept simply because I was unwilling to commit to it. More or less stage fright from previous debacle as evil. So I'm kicking myself for doing what I usually do which is ignoring first instinct... I know Grund wasn't married to either of his kill proposals so it's my own fault for caving on mine so easily.

altho on the upside... our original plan of ignore the seer kill the scan... was working pretty well

It was working pretty well until stessier had to go and scan a Werewolf.

The calculation here was straightforward. Our best hope of victory was to avoid being scanned, keep me alive till midgame, and hope that Kraegor could ride out the final wave. A Bad thing and a Very Bad thing could impede that strategy.

The Bad thing would've been for the Seer to scan me, because it would cut into my already-compromised longevity. That would mean that Kraegor would have to coast on a much longer wave.

The Very Bad thing would've been for the Seer to scan Kraegor, since there's no way I'd be living until the final round in an open-PM game with nothing to hang onto (no roles, no hooks for deception, no cover).

The very bad thing happened. Alas.

As for our kills, the reasoning went like this: We decided to kill people who met two qualifications: the Seer might've scanned 'em, and they'd be hard to read or persuade. Bubbles is hard to read, hard to persuade, and susceptible to scanning. Same goes for ChrisGrenard.

For the final kill, I was going to off stessier, which is the tactically correct thing to do, but I knew that no matter what happened, I'd be lynched the following day. Given our imminent loss-- because the Very Bad Thing happened -- I changed my kill order to the tactically incorrect choice, Chaosraven, to punish him for having sown confusion among the Werewolves with his poke.

Yes, it was "a spite thing"

[stessier]

Thanks, that was interesting.

I find if funny that at least for a little while, you thought The Bad Thing (Chaos scans Grund) had happened and reacted accordingly thereby hastening the end when it turned out The Very Bad Thing had actually occurred.

[Grundbegriff]

What I dont understand was the killing of chaosraven.

Was it a spite thing?

no it was pure spite. I can't even post the stuff grund was sending me in Pms ... disturbing... I was scared....

That's a joke on Kraegor's part, btw. We didn't discuss last night's kill, seein' as how he was dead an' all.

[Grundbegriff]

Grund recinded a PM to me; he was my suspect had Stess not have made it through the night.

My explanation to you of why I did that was completely honest. There was no game-pertinent factor.

[Grundbegriff]

I find if funny that at least for a little while, you thought The Bad Thing (Chaos scans Grund) had happened and reacted accordingly thereby hastening the end when it turned out The Very Bad Thing had actually occurred.

Virtual life is full of irony.

The reason Chaosraven's feint took hold is that we had already decided to focus on him as our top seer suspect

Which one seems most seerish? Remus or Chaos?

Chaos is being the more obvious one, his overt wolf behavior could be a ploy to beg a frame job ..i.e. invite a frame job, hook us and then bam "I scanned 1...2....3..." ... yet Chaos generally doesn't go hardcore like this unless he's unpowered. but he's wiley enough to know all this....

This discussion unfolded shortly before Chaos's PM, which seemed to confirm our intuitions.

[Kraegor]

yeah that entire chain of events happened too fast. I recall leaving a placid thread with minor heat on me.... by the time I was rdy to make some moves, stessier had already outted himself... and the scan was me so... went from coasting to stuck on a sandbar...