BSG IV -Revhempus Smoked -Humans win.

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:22 pm

I don't see the need for any more than one specialist to come out right now, and they can't really be proven.

Let's go with Scenario 1 from my post above:

Chaosraven is Athena, and was protected last night.
- She will die tonight as Apollo can't defend the same target every night.
- we have no further use of her scans.
- Outing a specialist makes no difference; neither will die tonight.
- conversely they may let CR continue to identify people as it helps them find the missing cylon.

Scenario 2 - CR is a cylon and leading us to our demise.
- Outing either of the specialists is a death sentence for tonight; only killing apollo is a better kill than the specialists.
- the next night will also see them die unless Apollo is still around to protect; that means no autopsy for another night until Baltar can come forward.
- originally I thought that they'd kill the "proven" human; if CR isn't Athena and she died two days ago they may be blowing smoke up our collective asses and since no one is going to contest their human status, when they're up for a kill they'll discover their true nature.

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:23 pm

Unagi wrote:
Scoop wrote:Grund is killed and on the same night Purge is activated then we will not get a autopsy that night and then Baltar will take over autopies the next night.
I don't follow that.

Why would there be a gap in autopsies?

Baltar is always a 'specialist', right?

Baltar doesn't activate the same day the last specialist dies; he activates the following day (trust me, I fretted over this for a while in our last game, hon.

)

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:25 pm

As both Proven Victims called for me to be protected by Starbuck last night, thereby allowing me to protect myself tonight, I was an invalid target and both of them open.

The second scenario requires an alternate Athena to have remained quiet all this time.
Or to have died, in which case an Apollo to have remained quiet.

As I am in favor of a mass outing, that would be against the second scenario.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:30 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:So, its like I said before then, we may have one or two cylons left. Either way, both cylons have to be in this pool of 5:

Scoop20906 ---
Unagi ---
RevHempus ---
redrun ---
purge ---
Correct.

Which is why it is imperative to whittle down that pool as much as possible today in the event #7 did not find #10 last night

-- Pool is five.
Two specialists come forward, verify each other. Pool is three.
One kill, one Athena scan tonight - tomorrow we know for sure who #7 is.
If game doesn't before/at tomorrow's lynch, #10 is active. Pool size is two, perhaps three.

Pool of five. Several senarios (D&E are our specialists):

A. Dies today. Is NOT a cylon.
B. Scanned tonight. NOT cylon.
C. #7. Dies tomorrow.
D. Unknown (as of tomorrows lynch)
E. Unknown (as of tomorrows lynch)

A. Dies today. Cylon. Game doesn't end.
Could have been #7 or #10.
If #10, then B or C is #7.
If #7, then B-E could be #10.

A. Dies today. NOT Cylon.
B. Scanned tonight. Cylon - dies tomorrow.
If #10, then C is #7.
If #7, then C-E could be #10.

(Yes, I know that we probably won't know if Cylon was #7 or #10 - but we read back and figure it out, right?)

While I think the Cylons would like the specialists out, it's not a big help for them - if #10 isn't active, then #7 is not likely to want
to kill unknown's. We trust specialists for today in the search for #7. Tomorrow we can revoke that trust based on what we learn
today and tonight. By the time we would have two dead specialists we'll be down to one cylon - so we win on the kill.

We really need to know who the specialists are to narrow the search for #7.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:30 pm

purge wrote:I don't see the need for any more than one specialist to come out right now, and they can't really be proven.

Let's go with Scenario 1 from my post above:

Chaosraven is Athena, and was protected last night.
- She will die tonight as Apollo can't defend the same target every night.
- we have no further use of her scans.
- Outing a specialist makes no difference; neither will die tonight.
- conversely they may let CR continue to identify people as it helps them find the missing cylon.

Starbuck, you mean.
Allowing #7 to connect with #10 adds a Bad Guy, but if allowed to continue scanning, will Know who ISN'T or IS #10 (Human versus Cylon)

Scenario 2 - CR is a cylon and leading us to our demise.
- Outing either of the specialists is a death sentence for tonight; only killing apollo is a better kill than the specialists.
- the next night will also see them die unless Apollo is still around to protect; that means no autopsy for another night until Baltar can come forward.
- originally I thought that they'd kill the "proven" human; if CR isn't Athena and she died two days ago they may be blowing smoke up our collective asses and since no one is going to contest their human status, when they're up for a kill they'll discover their true nature.

Either Semaj or Bubbles would have to be Athena.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:33 pm

purge wrote: 2) Chaosraven is a Cylon and is playing us all. 7 knows who the other cylons are (correct?) so he could point to anyone he wanted to. He may have thrown 6 under the bus to gain the trust to lead to a new version of Remucide, where we all end up being Chaospiper'd.

Probability approaches zero here....

Evil Cylons:
Cavil
Six
#7
#10

The explosion of #7, and no "Deathless Nights" says that Cavil and Six are dead. This is a fact.

So if Chaos is "evil" he MUST be #10 or #7, as Chaos is not dead. This is a fact

If Chaos is #7 - He saw that Sean was dead (knew him to be Cavil) ...fine
If Chaos is #7 - He gave us Austin on a platter (knew him to be Six) ...huge risk, but - OK ... fine
If Chaos is #7 - Athena was Semaj, and Chaos ran with that risk ... hmmm - huge risk #2
If Chaos is #7 - He banked on Austin (Six) killing Apollo (Mr.Bubbles?) so that he could fake Athena uncontested.... major risk

That's the only angle really that I can see here. I really don't buy it at all.

There are always doubts in these games. You just gotta let go of the totally remote ones eventually. Ockham's Razor and all.

If Chaos is #10 he did all this not knowing he was an Evil Cylon until just last night and never really knowing who was the real Athena and the real Apollo. That's not happening.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:37 pm

redrun wrote: Pool of five. Several senarios (D&E are our specialists):

-- Reading back - my options do not take into account that the specialists may be already scanned as human.
Will repost later with larger set of senarios.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:37 pm

If the Cylons know that Athena is dead, Athena is pretty easy to fake. Think about it. There are WAYS that Athena could live for 3 nights after being revealed. That would be enough time to secure the win for the Cylons. Starbuck would die after the reveal while protecting faux Athena. Or A living active cylon would try to lynch him and succeed in activating him. Seven could even enact this plan without the other two being in the know. Seven would have a pretty good chance of doing this after the death of an unknown cylon because he knows the two active cylons, he's 7, so any unknown cylon must be 10 or Athena.

Can we afford to trust Chaos blindly?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:38 pm

Unagi wrote:If Chaos is #10 he did all this not knowing he was an Evil Cylon until just last night and never really knowing who was the real Athena and the real Apollo. That's not happening.

Not unless I was trained by mipe

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:39 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:If the Cylons know that Athena is dead, Athena is pretty easy to fake. Think about it. There are WAYS that Athena could live for 3 nights after being revealed. That would be enough time to secure the win for the Cylons. Starbuck would die after the reveal while protecting faux Athena. Or A living active cylon would try to lynch him and succeed in activating him. Seven could even enact this plan without the other two being in the know. Seven would have a pretty good chance of doing this after the death of an unknown cylon because he knows the two active cylons, he's 7, so any unknown cylon must be 10 or Athena.

Can we afford to trust Chaos blindly?

Depends on whether Starbuck protected me last night.
That would be proof.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:41 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Either Semaj or Bubbles would have to be Athena.

Yes, I suppose either of them could have been Athena for "your ruse" to work... but Apollo would have to have been killed the next day, etc ,etc...

CLEARLY Apollo is dead (I would have thought he would have backed "Athena" up by now.) This does leave you being a fake Athena as an option - but you would not be privey to Cavil's data, making it a blind gamble.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:41 pm

If she protects a bad cylon (not Athena or unconverted #10). She’s dead and that will override any kill selection of the cylons.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:44 pm

I am in favor of all Players discussing the scenarios and working out the Best Options.
I am in favor of all Specials Out in the event #10 has not been found.
(note that being "Out" does not cancel the chance they are #10, but doesn't give additional info to #7 beyond Baltar)

(leaving for work now)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:50 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Depends on whether Starbuck protected me last night.
That would be proof.

Do we want Starbuck to say as much though? I kinda don't think so.

Grrrr.

Lassr, this whole #10 thing sucks!

Here is my thought on our "powered players". There comes a point where just knowing that you are still in the game helps us all paint the landscape.

I'm not sure what the best move with Starbuck is here. Her coming out would get her killed, and there would be MAX 1 more Athena scan.

Protecting mipe or Grund would be a safe alternate if Starbuck just protected Chaos last night without being killed.

mipe being a safe 'alternate' protection regardless of Chaos' status.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:53 pm

I'm torn about Baltar. The original rules stated that Baltar wouldn't willingly self-out.
Lassr recinded that rule.
On one hand, I think Baltar should follow the "spirit" of the game.
On the other, him coming out would help us win.
Then again, he'd want to be on the winning team. He'd do whatever it took to stay alive.

I guess I'll have to leave that decision up to Baltar.

We don't have any confirmation from the other specialists. Is it possible they're all dead? That would mean that Bubbles & Semaj were both Specs right? K was Helo, so unless Sean was 10, all of our other specials are alive.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:54 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:If the Cylons know that Athena is dead, Athena is pretty easy to fake. Think about it. There are WAYS that Athena could live for 3 nights after being revealed. That would be enough time to secure the win for the Cylons. Starbuck would die after the reveal while protecting faux Athena. Or A living active cylon would try to lynch him and succeed in activating him. Seven could even enact this plan without the other two being in the know. Seven would have a pretty good chance of doing this after the death of an unknown cylon because he knows the two active cylons, he's 7, so any unknown cylon must be 10 or Athena.

Can we afford to trust Chaos blindly?

You need to consider that the 2 dead cylons (Sean and Austin) were, without any doubt -> Cavil and Six.
Those two cylons ARE DEAD.

How would Chaos/#7 know that Athena was one of their night kills. Why would Chaos/#7 take the risk that Athena was dead after he KNOWS Cavil is dead and give us "Austin/Six" to hammer that risk home?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:59 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:I'm torn about Baltar. The original rules stated that Baltar wouldn't willingly self-out.
Lassr recinded that rule.
On one hand, I think Baltar should follow the "spirit" of the game.
On the other, him coming out would help us win.
Then again, he'd want to be on the winning team. He'd do whatever it took to stay alive.

I guess I'll have to leave that decision up to Baltar.

I am pretty sure that even the original rules were not designed to keep Baltar from talking when there was basically proof that Six was truly dead (#7 has had the explosion, and we have not had a night with No Kills).

That being said. I am thinking that in order to keep getting Autopsies - it may be helpful to keep Baltar hidden.

HOWEVER.

If we could get Baltar to come out of the group (if a Cylon fakes Baltar, Baltar HAD BETTER COUNTER IT !!!!!) of 'unknowns', and we also have a specialist or two in the group... that will seriously help us figure out who to try to lynch as #7.

Think about it.

For instance, if Mipe is Baltar - it does us No Good To Be Told This. He is PROVEN human and not on the list of "Who to Lynch" today.
However, if Purge or redrun (for example) is Baltar - that may actually be helpful to know (I think, still haven't totally worked out all the risks).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:03 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:We don't have any confirmation from the other specialists. Is it possible they're all dead? That would mean that Bubbles & Semaj were both Specs right? K was Helo, so unless Sean was 10, all of our other specials are alive.

Just yesterday Remus insisted they were both still alive. I don't think he would have lied about that really.

Bakhtosh.

Even if you are running with the Chaos = #7 concern...

You have to understand - Six and Cavil ARE DEAD. And the only two options for this are Sean and Austin. PERIOD.

Who else could be Cavil and Six.
How else could #7 have detonated his bomb?

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:15 pm

Sean could have been Athena.

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:15 pm

GODDAMNIT!!! This is the reason why I shouldn't be on internet if I have a small fever... Sowwy grund, I didn't mean you, but the-one-who-claims-athena-but-my-short-time-memory-is-completely-vanished-so-i-dont-remember-who-sorry-sorry-sorry-sorry-sorry-sorry....

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:18 pm

Unagi wrote: For instance, if Mipe is Baltar -

Also, why does every.single.person. say that? FOR THE LAST TIME, I'M A CITIZEN, NOT AN BALTAR WHO HAS DREAMS OF CYLONS (Damn you Lassr for making me suspicious by that one evening text... I would never dream of women!... I mean... uhh... I have to go, to sleep, WITHOUT NASTY DREAMS)

No secret text in this post... Sowwy, I have nothing to say and I forgot to put one for last message too.. God I need sleep

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:28 pm

mipe wrote:Damn you Lassr for making me suspicious by that one evening text...

well, you made yourself suspicious when you "jokingly" stated you were Baltar.

For game purposes, if you are the role of Baltar, your name is not Baltar in the game, it is Mipe. For you to publicly state you are Baltar in the game is the same as you standing up and telling everyone, "Hi, my name is Mipe and I have dreams about having sex with Cylons."

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:29 pm

purge wrote:Sean could have been Athena.

Really?

Then who was Cavil?

You do know that Cavil MUST be dead, right?

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:53 pm

Perhaps Six said that Cavil was six, and we executed him.

The new numbers/roles are throwing me off; I'll look into their descriptions again today (above I referred to Apollo as defender; I meant Starbuck).

I've never watched BSG, so the name associations don't work as well for me.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:05 pm

3. Chaosraven - Athena
11. Remus West - Dead Specialist
16. kraegor - Dead Helo
5. Semaj - Dead human
8. Mr. Bubbles - Dead Human
6. Sean, M of KtSP - Dead Cylon (unknown role)
9. Austin - Dead Cylon
4. Grundbegriff - Human (per ChaosRaven)
13. mipe - Proven Human
14. Bakhtosh - Human (per ChaosRaven)
1. Scoop20906
2. Unagi
7. RevHempus
10. stessier
12. redrun
15. purge

Six unknowns. Any of our specials in that group need to come out. I really don't think the Cylon(s) is going to fake a special at this point. It would only draw attention to himself. His best bet is to stay low and hope he can weasel his way out of a lynch.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:13 pm

Chaosraven ------------------ stessier
Grundbegriff ------------------scoop
Remus West ------------------ stessier
mipe ------------------ scoop
Bakhtosh ------------------ scoop
kraegor ------------------stessier
stessier ------------------ scoop

RevHempus ------------------ scoop
Scoop20906 ------------------ stessier
Unagi ------------------ stessier
redrun ------------------ stessier
purge ------------------ stessier

I separate them like this because the votes of our "knowns" are not very important to our analysis.
Stess was human.

Unless I see evidence to the contrary soon, I'll most likely be voting from the pool of unknowns who voted for stess. Unfortunately, that only leaves out 1...dammit.

Stess died, claiming Citizen. That leaves a max of 3 left. If there are 3 in that list + #7, then there are 2 other specials in there.

We need them to come out today.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:06 pm

purge wrote:Perhaps Six said that Cavil was six, and we executed him.

The new numbers/roles are throwing me off; I'll look into their descriptions again today (above I referred to Apollo as defender; I meant Starbuck).

I've never watched BSG, so the name associations don't work as well for me.

No worries.
Just think of it like this.

#7 cannot explode his bomb until 1 of the below is true.
1) We have a night with no kill (we still couldn't be sure, but that could have been #7 being 'contacted' by the cylons)
2) Six and Cavil are dead (and there #10 is still a sleeper agent)

Since #1 has not happened - but we know the explosion has happened - #2 Must have happened.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:18 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:Stess died, claiming Citizen. That leaves a max of 3 left. If there are 3 in that list + #7, then there are 2 other specials in there.

Also, mipe insists he was not given any role this game as well.
(right mipe?)

He's been proven 'Human' by the moderator.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:53 pm

Assuming:
Sean = Cavil
Austin = 6
Chaos = Athena
Stess = Citizen

Here are the 10 who have not claimed a Special role. We have 3 citizens, #7, and Apollo, Starbuck, Baltar, Tory, and 2 specialists.

We NEED Apollo to fill in one of these from last night (hopefully). Worst case (still within my assumptions) is that we have 3 citizens, cylon #7, and 2 specials in the pool of unknowns. Yes, one of them may be an activated #10, but I'm not going to worry about that until we find Seven. Those 2 need to go public so we can start planning. Even if you're Tory and Baltar. Starbuck, I'm leaving it up to you to time your outing. You're the only one I consider exempt from this strategy. Baltar...I'm recommending you come out, but again, your lack of conscience must be your guide.

Grundbegriff - Human
mipe - Human
Bakhtosh - Human
Scoop20906
Unagi
RevHempus
redrun
purge
semaJ
MrBubbles

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:21 pm

(Bakhtosh, this is much like your analysis... just carved up a little differently)

The Dead
stessier: Citizen #1
kraegor: Helo
Remus West: Specialist #1
Austin: SIX
Sean: CAVIL
Semaj: Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7
Mr. Bubbles: Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7

The Claims:
Chaosraven: Athena (if not, he's got serious balls and should be rewarded

)

The "Proven" Humans
mipe: Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7
Bakhtosh: Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7
Grundbegriff: Specialist #2 *my guess (could be Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7)

Semi - Claimed / Citizen:
Unagi: Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7
Scoop20906: Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7
Not Quite so Directly
RevHempus: Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7
redrun: Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7
purge: Specialist #3 *my guess (could be Citizen \ Apollo \ Starbuck \ Baltar \ Tory \ #7)

Lets just say that right now Baltar is alive and claiming Citizen (and may just end the game that way)
So, let's just say we have 5 people that can rightfully claim 'citizens'.
#10 is likely claiming his 'human role' (innocently or not), so the above doesn't concern finding him as "#10 persay".

8 roles still unknown
Apollo, Starbuck, Tory, Baltar, Cit#2, Cit#3, Cit#4 , #7
Semaj
Mr.Bubbles
mipe
Bakhtosh
Unagi
Scoop
RevHempus
redrun

Two people above are in no condition to make a claim. (not counting mipe).

Scoop has made it clear that he would like to claim Citizen.
Unagi has made it clear that he would like to claim Citizen.
It would seem that Bakhtosh and mipe are both claiming Citizen - which would be "Cit#2" and "Cit#3"

So Scoop or I must be lying: IF YOU TWO (mipe and Bakhtosh) CAN CONFIRM that you are just "Citizens".

Kill one of us I say. IF that is the case.

In other words - from where I am sitting:
IF: Bakhtosh and mipe are indeed Citizen #2 and Citizen #3
THEN: Scoop is NOT Citizen #4

NOW - I gotta give room for mipe or Bakhtosh being (Apollo / Starbuck / Tory / Baltar)

And then also. Something tells me that the group of:
RevHempus and redrun would also claim "Citizen". Is this Right guys? Maybe you'd rather not answer...

If I am wrong with my guess above (Grund/purge) - there would clearly be different names under the 8 unknown roles list up there.

Am I wrong in wanting all the remaining SPECIALS to step up right now so that we can shed a little light on these claims??

Didn't Remus tell the Specialist it would be good to come out today? I am amazed that this hasn't been settled by now.

Baltar could come out and say "I'm a sinner"
Tory could out and say "Yes he is" That would narrow some shit down even further.

SPECIALS AND ROLE HOLDERS - you must make some chioces here.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:40 pm

Good point about counting Baltar as a Citizen.

And while I agree with your conclusion about Scoop, your methods are flawed: don't count me as a citizen.

I want to know who our roles are in the unproven group before I say more.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:05 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:And while I agree with your conclusion about Scoop, your methods are flawed: don't count me as a citizen.

Oh, I know...

That was why I said:

Unagi wrote:NOW - I gotta give room for mipe or Bakhtosh being (Apollo / Starbuck / Tory / Baltar)

I will not be making any claims to anything.
I would love to be Chaos's scan tonight, if I am not the victim of our lynch.

In fact, I was very serious when I made the very first post of the game:

Unagi wrote:Athena,
Scan me.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:06 pm

Reading....

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:16 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:Good point about counting Baltar as a Citizen.

And while I agree with your conclusion about Scoop, your methods are flawed: don't count me as a citizen.

I want to know who our roles are in the unproven group before I say more.

-- We're close, the Cylons are nervous and they don't have very much room to move.
A mass revel is going to make it very hard on them.
I'm a citizen.

Aloha,
Redrun@can.I.get.an.upgrade.to.my.plastic.gun.now?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:50 pm

Unagi wrote:
Austin wrote:What am I missing here? It's Nirvana right?
I think Kurt Cobain had a one time ability to kill during the day cycle.

Nice

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:02 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Austin wrote:What am I missing here? It's Nirvana right?
I think Kurt Cobain had a one time ability to kill during the day cycle.
Nice

yah like that?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:53 pm

stessier wrote:And suddenly purge and Chaos check in...hmmmm.

(Psst, Grund...quote this and insert the shifty eyed blue-ish guy. Thanks! )

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:51 am

stessier wrote:
Unagi wrote:Oh PLEASE.

If you had listened to ME? You would have lynched Kraegor and the game would have been won on Day 1.
Would have been nice had I not been ALL POWERFUL GOD OF THE ISLAND to make your case stick, wouldn't it?

Point of order: that role was already filled

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:56 am

stessier wrote:That shot was the hardest one I've had to make. I knew you had killed me in BSG and didn't want that to color my opinion. I also couldn't mention it because the game was going on. But finally pulling the trigger was the sweetest relief I have ever felt.

You two get a room.

stessier: are you sure you're not Baltar?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:03 am

Kraegor wrote:
I'm leaving to head to Lynchburg.
isn't that taking things a bit too literally?