BSG IV -Revhempus Smoked -Humans win.

[Lassr]

purge, Lassr removed all restrictions on Baltar self-outing.

I removed the part where he would be killed if he did.

It is not Baltar’s nature to announce who he is. During a reveal he should not reveal he is Baltar. If Baltar reveals his identity to fellow players before he is converted then he will die by the hand of a random unknown human at night. He will also die as a member of the losing team no matter which side loses.

[Bakhtosh]

Also, we won't get an autopsy report from tonight's kill, so no vetting for you until we lynch someone tomorrow. By then, if you're 10, things will be going quite bad for us.

[stessier]

[Bakhtosh]

No. The Penalty has been lifted.

The rules still state that it's not in Baltar's character to self-out. I'd expect the real Baltar to live up to that original statement - even without the penalty.

And if our lynch target is not the last Cylong, the specialists will have 4 people to choose from for Athena's scan. I want them to pick someone who is likely to be a Cylon. This is not the time to worry about building a block of trusted. This is the time to find the last Cylon and kill him before he activates #10.

It's not in his nature to out himself but there is no penalty now for doing so...
So it's up to Baltar how he wants to proceed.

[Bakhtosh]

Grund, are you still thinking redrun? I'd like to wait for Rev, but we may be waiting a while before he decides to show up.

I could easily go Unagi, but he's been on my goodar most of the game (which may be as damning a statement as anyone can make). I actually thought he was spec #3 (though I did guess you correctly).

[Grundbegriff]

Grund, are you still thinking redrun? I'd like to wait for Rev, but we may be waiting a while before he decides to show up.

The strongest argument against Unagi, at present, is the fact that as soon as people starting throwing around ideas, he stepped back and went silent.

If I were a bad guy, and I saw people playing with a lot of rope, I'd definitely hang back and let them hang themselves with as little input from me as possible.

I don't know whether that's what Pastor Weed would do, but I'm pretty sure it's the approach Unagi would take.

I could easily go Unagi, but he's been on my goodar most of the game (which may be as damning a statement as anyone can make). I actually thought he was spec #3 (though I did guess you correctly).

It's worth noting that Unagi really, really, really wanted to figure out who the Specialists were, and that he followed my lead like a puppy (as Scoop noted) just as soon as I started commenting substantively. Look at the way he went after Scoop on my say so without the least bit of pushback.

By the way, isn't it interesting that redrun isn't dead yet?

For the sake of preventing that lazy avalanche to ensure discussion time:  withdraw redrun 
 

[Unagi]

Unagi pegged purge as Specialist #3 soon after Grund's reveal and was adamant about being scanned tonight and that Chaos had "better live through the night"...

purge had been playing a "I dare you to lynch me" game this whole time. Seemed like he could prove himself to me (I think I said this Very early in the game, something to that effect at least).

Then - as we all claimed rolls - it was down to purge, redrun, grundbegriff that could be Spec#2, Spec#3. It wasn't very hard.

[Unagi]

The strongest argument against Unagi, at present, is the fact that as soon as people starting throwing around ideas, he stepped back and went silent

Back now - lovely timing , eh?

I had taken the day off. (there was a chance I needed to burn the city down today )
I woke up at 4:00 to my kid (19 month old) refusing to go back to bed.
At about 1:00 pm I took a nap (while he slept) until about 3:15 and then raced off to his 3:30 "Bubbles Music" class.

Just now back.

I've caught up and frankly, you guys (Grund and Bakhtosh) just totally rehashed a ton of crap that I already pretty much covered. Sorry, but I did. pg. 31 is all stuff I already talked about.

The Song that Scoop was hearing in his head - (again, spoiler alert)

Spoiler:

is the song that the Hidden Cylons hear in their head at the end of Season 3 (where I am in the series) - it is at that point that you learn that Tory is actually a Cylon.

I wasn't sure if I should take it at face value, doubted it really, but I was sick of Scoop planting all these "Cylon" hints and not being taken to task on it. Period. I wasn't your lap dog Grund, from where my mind wanted to go - you were more mine (not saying you were, but your desire to lynch Scoop was something I was totally fine with resolving). I was More than happy to join you, as I was more than happy to get the Scoop noise turned OFF. That is exactly why I replied to his post with "There are many here among us that feel that life is but a joke". A line from that song, and it was exactly how I saw Scoop taking this game at that point and it bothered me.

1. Stessier.
Could have been Tory discussion... (Bakhtosh actually quoted My post (with My blue highlight) to show the part where stessier left that open, Grund then quoted Bakhtosh -- but that was me that went and dug that up... not that it's important)
Anyhow, the main (only) reason I could see someone doing that would be to keep some Cylon from trying to 'fake' Baltar... as the cylon would worry that Tory was still alive.

2. Scoop really spent most of the game claiming powerless citizen - I think he started the game asking to be killed - so I doubt he was Tory. The song isn't just in Tory's head Grund, it's in like 4 of the peoples head... Again, I don't know why Scoop did it. My guess - just to muck around, just like his code.

redrun, regarding:

Mipe - I think you need to state again who you are. I see a major danger that Unagi & I are both seeing a false claim for Citizen
based on seeing you as a citizen . If you are not a citizen, you need to say such. We can't ask Scoop and Stessier. If I
die, then Unagi will be in the hot seat. If Unagi dies and comes up human, then I'm in the hot seat - and it would pretty bad if
we both came up human.

Frankly, I am not sure I follow this all that much. We have a lot of missing specials and I don't know why just mipe's claim is pivotal to you and I being in the hot seat at all. What I read here was laying the future foundation for when/if I get lynched and turn up Human... and how that maybe shouldn't reflect poorly on You, redrun.

[redrun]

Wasn't Scoop hearing music the last few times he posted?

Here's a tidbit about Tory Foster from Wikipedia:

In the last few episodes of season 3, her mental condition starts deteriorating, and she starts hearing music.

-- If Scoop was Tory (wish he'd given us his scan list):

Steisser, Mipe, Redrun... Unagi? Rev? as citizens

If Athena died due an announcement of going into hiding - then it's not as likely that #7 went after
Athena to prevent being killed the next day via a denouncement from Athena.

So, Unagi and I may both be telling the truth. His vote on Austin was fairly early, and he let it ride.

I'd somehow assumed that we knew the folks dying at night were human. So, there is a good chance that
#10 is dead - certainly not something we should overlook, but enough that we can concentrate on #7.

So, I shift back to seeing Rev as a leading contender. His willingness to accept Athena at face value
seems unlikely to me - unless he knew who the Cylons are. He praises Athena for doing a great job, but
doesn't vote against Austin - yet, is comfortable a couple of days later with throwing a vote against Scoop,
long before the vote was piled on.

For me it's rather simple - #7 is either Unagi or Rev. Faced with (stessier,scoop,mipe) as citizens, Unagi
claiming citizen, me being a citizen, and Athena's death - I saw a big neon sign over Unagi as guilty. With
Scoop as Tory, Athena dead via public announcement of hiding (maybe), and Unagi's vote on Austin - I'm back
to Rev as #7.

We do seem to be voting, yes?

 RevHempus 
 

[redrun]

We do seem to be voting, yes?

 RevHempus 
 

-- No, it looks like votes are being pulled back.

 Withdraw RevHempus 
 


But I still think he's guilty.

[Unagi]

By the way, isn't it interesting that redrun isn't dead yet?

I dunno.
It clearly would fit in this scenario:

• redrun is alone as a cylon. (or not).
• The two trusted players asked people not to vote, then said it was OK to vote.
• mipe is sorta not really normal.
• Revhempus is gone.
• Purge is either converted #10 or totally paranoid that I am going to be the cylon.

-- If Scoop was Tory (wish he'd given us his scan list):

Why, so that #7 would know who Not to check for being #10 ?

Tory was actually not wrong to just die (presuming she did), the more I think about it. Keeps the Baltar thing a mystery - and the Baltar thing right now primarily helps find #10, and if #10 stays hidden from all of us - it's our best chance to keep #10 from being converted.

[redrun]

redrun, regarding:

Mipe - I think you need to state again who you are. I see a major danger that Unagi & I are both seeing a false claim for Citizen
based on seeing you as a citizen . If you are not a citizen, you need to say such. We can't ask Scoop and Stessier. If I
die, then Unagi will be in the hot seat. If Unagi dies and comes up human, then I'm in the hot seat - and it would pretty bad if
we both came up human.

Frankly, I am not sure I follow this all that much. We have a lot of missing specials and I don't know why just mipe's claim is pivotal to you and I being in the hot seat at all. What I read here was laying the future foundation for when/if I get lynched and turn up Human... and how that maybe shouldn't reflect poorly on You, redrun.

-- I'm looking for holes in stories. I didn't see (still don't see) any reason that Scoop/Stessier wouldn't have just
outed as characters before dying. I think Mipe has paid for his mistake - and that, in the end, he's just a
citizen. My reasons for not trusting your claim of citizen I've already outlined, including why I no longer
think that way. With you and I going at each other's neck - and if we're both citizens - I really feared that we
could hand the game to #7. Mipe seemed to me to be the only possible candidate for a false claim of citizen.

[Unagi]

Unagi pegged purge as Specialist #3 soon after Grund's reveal and was adamant about being scanned tonight and that Chaos had "better live through the night"...

purge had been playing a "I dare you to lynch me" game this whole time. Seemed like he could prove himself to me (I think I said this Very early in the game, something to that effect at least).

Then - as we all claimed rolls - it was down to purge, redrun, grundbegriff that could be Spec#2, Spec#3. It wasn't very hard.

Actually - I don't think I even took as long as Grund's reveal:

Clearly the Specialists are Purge and Grund, as Remus said they were both alive - and everyone else has said they are not a Specialist.
I mean, right?

And here is my mind setting the stage for Specialist Purge very early on, last week, Oct 28th...

purge: Way too quiet. If I were a bad cylon I would be thinking he's powered. Since I am human, I worry he is a cylon. He'll get my vote one of these days, unless he's got some glorious alibi, like being Special.

the color is new, italics were always there....

[Grundbegriff]

Uhm.... yeah.

 redrun 
 


Having heard from Unagi, I'm now all in on the redrun execution. My vote won't change; nothing since has convinced me that this assessment is mistaken.

[redrun]

-- We're accusing again. I've already said my piece.

 RevHempus 
 

[Lassr]

If Athena died due an announcement of going into hiding - then it's not as likely that #7 went after
Athena to prevent being killed the next day via a denouncement from Athena.

If Athena announced she was going into hiding then she would only die if the Cylons attacked her. Just to be clear in case people assumed she just dies by announcing she is hiding.

[Lassr]

Unagi ------------------ redrun
Grundbegriff ------------------ redrun
RevHempus ------------------
redrun ------------------ revhempus
mipe ------------------
Bakhtosh ------------------
purge ------------------
---
RevHempus --- 1
redrun --- 2
---

Majority is 4

[Scoop20906]

[purge]

Also, we won't get an autopsy report from tonight's kill, so no vetting for you until we lynch someone tomorrow. By then, if you're 10, things will be going quite bad for us.

Why is that? I am specialist; there were three of us. If I am killed, or Lassr has me earmarked as 10 and am scanned as such, THEN there will be an interruption in autopsy reports.

Grund dies tonight - I perform autopsy for tomorrow.

Do we not autopsy night kills too? It was to my understanding that we do.

[purge]

Grund, as I have in this team let Remus take point, and yesterday you took point.

Tomorrow is a chance for you to lead us to Remucide, and at that point I'll fight it. We don't know if 10 is converted (and even though everyone has been pointing at me as being him, doesn't mean I'm 10).

For our sakes let's hope you got it right this time and have outted our #7 ...

 redrun 
 

[mipe]

just a normal citizen, WHO DOESN't DREAM ABOUT FEMALE CYLONS. Damn you Lassr!

[mipe]

We do get lynch autopsy reports as long as one of specialists is alive or if all specialists are dead, baltar is unconverted ( which he should, as there is supposed to be (?) a text coming when baltar converts)

 redrun 
 

[Grundbegriff]

Grund dies tonight - I perform autopsy for tomorrow. Do we not autopsy night kills too? It was to my understanding that we do.

How can you not know this?

Only Apollo and Cavil scan the slaughtered. We've only been performing autopsies on those we execute by day.

[purge]

purge, Lassr removed all restrictions on Baltar self-outing.

I removed the part where he would be killed if he did.

It is not Baltar’s nature to announce who he is. During a reveal he should not reveal he is Baltar. If Baltar reveals his identity to fellow players before he is converted then he will die by the hand of a random unknown human at night. He will also die as a member of the losing team no matter which side loses.

My apologies; there was talk of it in the past (around page 15) but I wasn't sure if it was in reference to a tighter ruleset from a previous game; your first page rules had not been updated at the time of my post and that is the reference point for all roles.

[RevHempus71]

Ok, as usual it seems, I get to a PC too late.

I have a funeral to attend today. Not sure if i will get a chance to log on again today.

Now, for those that keep asking, my role is not important at all.

[Lassr]

Unagi ------------------ redrun
Grundbegriff ------------------ redrun
RevHempus ------------------
redrun ------------------ revhempus
mipe ------------------ redrun
Bakhtosh ------------------
purge ------------------ redrun
---
RevHempus --- 1
redrun --- 4
---

Majority is 4

voting closed

[mipe]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
Wasn't the majority supposed to be 5? well, too late to cancel to vote anymore...

[Lassr]

0920

After the miss yesterday everyone was stunned but the pool of suspects was shrinking. Grundbegriff took the lead again today and people followed. Using his deductive reasoning he came to the conclusion that redrun had to be a Cylon. Everyone followed him in voting to execute redrun, except redrun, who thought revehempus was the Cylon. There was a snort that came from the corner of the room. Everyone turned to see Revhempus wake himself after a loud snore. “Huh, what, what’s happening?”
Grund glances at him with a look of disgust, “We voted to execute redrun. Go back to sleep.”
With that redrun is drug off to another room, protesting the whole time. “This is a mistake. I’m just a citizen. Revhempus is sitting over there in the corner asleep. We could easily waste him right now. Come on guys. I’m not a Cylon. There were some votes for Unagi. Let’s do a recount!” The door slides shut, drowning out his voice. “Everyone to your rooms please.”

[Scoop20906]

[Lassr]

1130

The results were delayed as everyone waited for revhempus. He was late. Grundbegriff stood up and said, “I’ll go get him.” A few minutes later Grund comes with a look of puzzlement on his face. “He wasn’t in his room.”
Silence falls over the room and then they hear it…a snore coming from the back of the room. They look back and see a pair of feet sticking out from behind a box. Grund walks back and kicks them, “Get up! We’re ready for the autopsy results.”
Revhempus rubs his red eyes, “Sorry, I don’t why I’m so sleepy. Must be something I smoked.”
Rvhempus sits down and Grund reads the monitor and says, ‘Frakking Frak Frak! Mother Frakking Frak! He was human!”
Mipe yells out, “I take my vote back!”

Athena -who will you scan?
Six -Who will you scan?
Baltar - Who will you scan?
Cavil -who will you scan?
Apollo - who will you scan?
Starbuck -who will you protect?
Cylons - who will you kill?

[Scoop20906]

Mipe yells out, “I take my vote back!”

[Unagi]

‘Frakking Frak Frak! Mother Frakking Frak! He was human!”
Mipe yells out, “I take my vote back!”

We are so screwed - and I can tell you all right now that Revhempus is playing the silent wolf.

LAME.

No one will want to risk that I am playing you all for fools, so I will likely be the lynch vote tomorrow. And then it will be all over.

Purge's behaviour of late does make me feel like he was perhaps recently converted - but who knows.

Tomorrow - I will be voting for Revhempus, and don't tell me to 'wait'. There is no other option for me at this point and I'm really bummed out that Revhempus has played this game in this manner - that he basically 'hasn't played'.

Bravo dude.

[redrun]

[Unagi]

Sorry redrun. You smelled royally fishy to me - and I wasn't wanting to think that Revhempus would play wolf like this.

[Grundbegriff]

Kill Unagi, not RevHempus.

[Grundbegriff]

No one will want to risk that I am playing you all for fools, so I will likely be the lynch vote tomorrow. And then it will be all over.

You type that now, in that way, so that you can savor it now and later.

You're #7.

Good times.

Yes, I know my error regarding redrun will be used tomorrow as a basis for rejecting my accusation of Unagi. Tant pis.

redrun went from totally disengaged to wholly enthralled; that's classic Werewolf behavior, though in this instance it turns out to have been a coincidence. My accusation was made in good faith, though, on the basis that I didn't want to believe RevHempus, as a Werewolf, would play this way (by abandoning the game). I still don't want to believe that.

However, I accuse Unagi not on the basis of my wanting not to accuse the Rev, but on the basis that Unagi's goodguy act, which was already creeping me out (as noted in the thread) just jumped the shark in that last post.

[Grundbegriff]

BTW, I think it would be a good idea for each person-- the non-Cylons, at least-- to lay out thoughts and arguments now during the night, so that tomorrow we'll have the final, true thoughts of their victim.

[Bakhtosh]

My honest thoughts: we're screwed. Of course, the Cylon and I are the only ones guaranteed to be around tomorrow, so my thoughts aren't quite as critical as everyone else's.

I'll likely be flipping a coin tomorrow. If it lands on its edge, I'll vote Purge.

[mipe]

Unagi
RevHempus
Bakhtosh
purge

These are my suspects. The clever ones can notice that those are all alive one expect me and grund who are proven human.

[Bakhtosh]

Dude...seriously?

Bakhtosh = Human

I'm as proven as you or Grund.