Warhammer - Burn the Heretic! Emperor's Children WIN!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:07 pm

Unagi wrote:Scoop, you may need to give a PM to tru1cy and ask for him to make the official announcment that he made last time.... (as Remus has shown).

Since we did not get the report via Tru1cy, we can only assume that our Apothecary is dead - and well, that you are a fake.

So... I'd love to hear why it is that Tru1cy didn't leave us the anonymous report on Theohall's Geneseed.

It would appear that you have some 'splainin to do.

The Apothecary learns the role of the person that they get the geneseed from so effectively I can only scan one person per night. As long as the apothecary is alive then the mod should announce if they are tainted or not.

So far I have scanned only Mipe and Theohall and both game up normals.

When tru1cy checks in I am sure he will correct this. If not, then I guess I could be a sleeper baddie (a la BSG).

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:11 pm

The Dead:
Semaj (untainted)
Mipe (normal, untainted)
Lassr (unknown)
theohall (normal, untainted)
Stessier (unknown, untainted)

Majority is 4 votes. If no majority is met, voting ends at Wednesday 1/14 @ 5pm est.

Votes:
None

No Vote: Austin, Remus West, Scoop20906, ChaosRaven, Purge, Mr. Bubbles, Unagi

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:13 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I have no info about Lassr since tru1cy posts this with the write up.

Actually, you have no info on Lassr (if we are to believe you are the special), simply because you have 1 Scan / Night... Having nothing to do with tru1cy.

So, um - yeah - tonight (real life), I plan to place my vote for you unless you can get tru1cy to clear it up.

Otherwise - damn, what were you thinking "faking" Apothecary? Poor move, but - meh, maybe it's part of the master plan...

Cause, yeah.... If we missed on Lassr and Theohall....

And Scoop is the Exploding Bad Guy, and we lynch him - it's game over.

Day 4 will begin with:
2 Good vs 2 Bad

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:14 pm

I updated the day turn.

Sorry for the miss. Rough day @ work. Had to fire my first person today.....

Not pretty

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:18 pm

tru1cy wrote:Rough day @ work. Had to fire my first person today.....
Not pretty

That truly does suck.

Now, we'll still need you to post the offical "data slab" if we got one.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:20 pm

Unagi wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Rough day @ work. Had to fire my first person today.....
Not pretty
That truly does suck.
Now, we'll still need you to post the offical "data slab" if we got one.

Ahh, never mind - I see you updated the original post a page back....

Sorry.

OK - Scoop - you are back in good graces.

Woot.
Two Trusted, I would say.

Anyone disagree?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:22 pm

tru1cy wrote:I updated the day turn.

Sorry for the miss. Rough day @ work. Had to fire my first person today.....

Not pretty

Ugh. Sorry to hear that. Firings are never fun for either side.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:26 pm

tru1cy wrote:I updated the day turn.

Sorry for the miss. Rough day @ work. Had to fire my first person today.....

Not pretty

Yeah, that sucks. Glad I don't have to do that stuff. Thanks again for modding the game.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:27 pm

So... there is a strong chance (very) that stessier was indeed a special.

Austin -
Remus West -
ChaosRaven -
Purge -
Mr. Bubbles -

Our 2 "trusted" players should obstain from voting, until the players above make their intensions clear.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:30 pm

What we know:

The Dead:
Semaj (untainted)
Mipe (normal, untainted)
Lassr (unknown)
theohall (normal, untainted)
Stessier (unknown, untainted)

Alive:
Unagi = Terminator
Scoop20906 = Apothocary
Austin
Remus West
ChaosRaven
Purge
Mr. Bubbles

Note: Lassr's role/alignment is unknown and he may be a baddie.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:31 pm

OK, well - it's been like 5 minutes since I asked - so, I'll ask again.

The 5 players above need to make their intensions clear, before we can proceed.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:33 pm

With two specials out already, I think it would be very useful for the remaining specials to come out so we can create a trusted block of votes to confront the baddies 2 or 3 voting block.

Its possible that both Lassr and Stessier were the two remaining specials. That would suck.

Thoughts?

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:34 pm

Unagi wrote:
Unagi wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Rough day @ work. Had to fire my first person today.....
Not pretty
That truly does suck.
Now, we'll still need you to post the offical "data slab" if we got one.

Ahh, never mind - I see you updated the original post a page back....

Sorry.

OK - Scoop - you are back in good graces.

Woot.
Two Trusted, I would say.

Anyone disagree?

I agree. Both Unagi and Scoop are trusted, as far as I'm concerned. That leaves the following:

Unagi - Terminator
Scoop - Apothocary
Purge - Good
Austin - ?
Remus West - ?
ChaosRaven - ?
Mr. Bubbles - ?

We have a 1 in 4 chance of lynching a good person.
We have a 1 in 4 chance of lynching the 'zerk', although Tru1cy had described the victim that goes with him as "random". Does that mean random (determined by mod/chance), and if so does that include ANY others or just the good? Of was the word random a mistake, and it's where the zerk can choose his target?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:35 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:With two specials out already, I think it would be very useful for the remaining specials to come out so we can create a trusted block of votes to confront the baddies 2 or 3 voting block.

Its possible that both Lassr and Stessier were the two remaining specials. That would suck.

Thoughts?

A ton of space for the 2 that come out (or the 1) to be faking a Special at this point.

I am not sure how I would react to the data they provide.

Also, while I sorta 'welcome' some news from the Librarian....

The Chaplin may as well stay quiet and try and just throw a monkey wrench into one of their night plans.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:38 pm

Unagi wrote:Anyone disagree?

I would think it a pretty silly move to do while the Apothecary still lives for Scoop to make that play save in the senario which you mentioned. If we missed on Theo (which either way we can assume since Scoop telling truth = Theo normal and Scoop lying impies Theo = normal) and on Lassr (no way to tell at this point) then we can not afford to lynch the Berserker before the other two die. I can only see an Evil Scoop making that play as the Berserker.

So, either way, we should not be lynching Scoop today.

Which leaves us:
Austin
Remus West
ChaosRaven
Purge
Mr. Bubbles

Hiding either 2 or 3 Evils.

I know me and I still lean Good for Bubbles so that means I am going to look very hard at Austin, Chaosraven, and Purge today as they are either the three Evils or 2 of the 3 of them are with Scoop.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:38 pm

purge wrote:We have a 1 in 4 chance of lynching the 'zerk', although Tru1cy had described the victim that goes with him as "random". Does that mean random (determined by mod/chance), and if so does that include ANY others or just the good? Of was the word random a mistake, and it's where the zerk can choose his target?

The other game that I remember having a "random" zerker target was I think the Floating Point (Get Smart) game...

And, if I recall correctly, that was truly random.... it could have hit ANY of the remaining players (good or bad).
(but it happened to hit really well, if I recall)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:39 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:What we know:
Alive:
Unagi = Terminator
Scoop20906 = Apothocary

Kinda ironic, eh Scoop?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:51 pm

Unagi wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:What we know:
Alive:
Unagi = Terminator
Scoop20906 = Apothocary
Kinda ironic, eh Scoop?

Yep!

Ok, Unagi, I know who I am going to vote for but per your request, I'm keeping quiet until the others come out of the woodworks.

However, I will point to one thing: why would Remus mention he considers Bubbles good? Hes got zero proof either way.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:04 pm

Remus West wrote:I am going to look very hard at Austin, Chaosraven, and Purge today as they are either the three Evils or 2 of the 3 of them are with Scoop.

Remus, how is it that Scoop got put into that whole list again?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:04 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:However, I will point to one thing: why would Remus mention he considers Bubbles good? Hes got zero proof either way.

I already mentioned why I think Bubbles is likely a vanilla good and why Purge is either special or Evil but you are correct that I have no proof. Thus the lean rather than a declaration.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:09 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:I am going to look very hard at Austin, Chaosraven, and Purge today as they are either the three Evils or 2 of the 3 of them are with Scoop.
Remus, how is it that Scoop got put into that whole list again?

Because the only way I see Scoop faking evil is if he is the Berserker and they are waiting for the Apothecary to challenge him. Then we are faced with the decision to lynch Scoop (who goes boom) and lose or lynch the challenger and lose (assuming Lassr was a miss, which again was in the conditions I said for Scoop to make this play).

I am assuming that Scoop is not lying but it is a possibility that I am not going to ignore.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:19 pm

Remus West wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:However, I will point to one thing: why would Remus mention he considers Bubbles good? Hes got zero proof either way.
I already mentioned why I think Bubbles is likely a vanilla good and why Purge is either special or Evil but you are correct that I have no proof. Thus the lean rather than a declaration.

I remember why we felt Purge was either Special or Evil - (and Purge, you need to address that).

I don't remember why Bubbles is vanilla - but if you say that you have said all you are going to say to that point, Remus, I guess we'll just need to consider that.

Remus West wrote:I am assuming that Scoop is not lying but it is a possibility that I am not going to ignore.

I am.

Scoop vs. The Real Apothecary:
If I was the Real Apothecary, I would have 'contested Scoop' by scanning Lassr last night.

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:20 pm

Since no challenge, we need to operate on the premise that Scoop is good, and at this time I'm assuming he's the apothocary as he claims he is.

I'd say that our Librarian should step forward now with whatever scans he has, and the Chaplin should also step forward (if they still live).

We are one miss from losing so this is not something we can risk.

Thoughts (from the trusted)?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:32 pm

purge wrote:Since no challenge, we need to operate on the premise that Scoop is good, and at this time I'm assuming he's the apothocary as he claims he is.

I'd say that our Librarian should step forward now with whatever scans he has, and the Chaplin should also step forward (if they still live).

We are one miss from losing so this is not something we can risk.

Thoughts (from the trusted)?

I had shared what I thought on that before, but I'll say more.

Basically, we will need to take any claims now with a grain of salt - and as such - no one just becomes trusted by claiming a role.
(as I am sure we all know and agree...)

Ultimately it's up 'to them'.

Librarian:
For instance, if the Seer is sitting on data that involves info on 'the living un-trusted', they may as well share it - I think.
Coming out tomorrow, even with a "I finally have a wolf", after our likely Apothecary is dead - will not likely help us make a choice... as we'll not know if we can trust it. If the Librarian scanned Unagi and Scoop, I see no value to even share a thing...

Chaplin:
For some reason, I am leaning that the Chaplin should stay quiet - and try and screw up one of these Night-Kills, but the more I think about it - I don't know if it really matters At All - as - well, The EC likely know exactly what the layout of the game is at this point. A Chaplin should perhaps come out, if he can protect himself tonight.

I will say it again: The EC likely know exactly what the layout of the game is at this point.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:04 pm

Purge

...

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:15 pm

Chaosraven wrote: Purge

...

Really.
This is all you have for us Chaos?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:20 pm

Remus West: No vote, keeping options open - closes door on Mr.Bubbles option.
Purge: No vote, keeping options open
ChaosRaven: votes Purge
Austin: nothing
Mr. Bubbles: nothing

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:17 pm

Remus will be redeemed when you find out my status.
I will actually try to read through most of this and give my best guesses. I know they kept me alive because of my lack of participation. Smart move, but they will get a free ride no more.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:07 pm

I've been keeping up over the weekend, but choosing not to chatter at night. I've been busy today and will give what I've missed today a look over.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:13 pm

Unagi wrote:So... there is a strong chance (very) that stessier was indeed a special.

Austin -
Remus West -
ChaosRaven -
Purge -
Mr. Bubbles -

Our 2 "trusted" players should obstain from voting, until the players above make their intensions clear.

I am not being abstinent, and I intense to vote for an EC today.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:24 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:Remus will be redeemed when you find out my status.
I will actually try to read through most of this and give my best guesses. I know they kept me alive because of my lack of participation. Smart move, but they will get a free ride no more.

AND??????

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:25 pm

Chaosraven wrote: Purge

...

Best Berserker impression yet.

Unagi, we need to compare notes. Once Bubbles speaks out, we need to share out hit lists.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:33 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote: Purge

...
Best Berserker impression yet.

Unagi, we need to compare notes. Once Bubbles speaks out, we need to share out hit lists.

OK, but I get to go first !!!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:47 pm

Austin wrote:I am not being abstinent, and I intense to vote for an EC today.

OK, so - yeah... I deserve that.

fucker

Would you believe that I actually had spell-checked "intensions" because it looked so god awful wrong to me?
When it gave me the thumbs up, well, lets just say I had no idea there was even a word for: The state or quality of being intense.

And, meh - I think I consistantly and constantly type 'obstain'.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:51 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:Remus will be redeemed when you find out my status.
I will actually try to read through most of this and give my best guesses. I know they kept me alive because of my lack of participation. Smart move, but they will get a free ride no more.
AND??????

you ever see that movie puppet master?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:05 pm

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:04 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:you ever see that movie puppet master?

We are waiting for your input Mr.B.

Do you plan to just watch our clock run out, or do you really plan on giving it?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:12 pm

BTW, I thought my intentions were clear enough. I need to reread the thread. I have stated my belief that Purge, Austin, and Chaosraven must be our evil guys. So I intend to go back and see who was acting most "good" before the first actual night to try and figure who I think is the berserker. Then vote for either of the other two.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:16 pm

Unagi wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:you ever see that movie puppet master?

We are waiting for your input Mr.B.

Do you plan to just watch our clock run out, or do you really plan on giving it?

Keep your knickers on.... I'm reading through thoroughly.
I'm on page 4 right now.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:17 pm

Bubs is stalling but I will give him until morning. After that I think we need to move forward while "sock" puppet master does his own private show.