Ragnarök - Twilight of the Gods - Æsir Victory

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:23 am

Try some xors.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:23 am

Brendan wrote:Bubbles, you fool! theohall's silver tongue has befuddled you! Recant! Recant!

When I removed my vote for Kraegor fate was sealed. This just speeds up the process. I realized I removed my vote before I really thought about it.... I woke up thought... Hey I'm going to remove my vote and think about it, but then Kraegor was on the chopping block. It's ok.. I was a giant screw up this whole game....

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:27 am

The remaining Einherjar all quickly turned to the Einherjar from the house of Brendan when the second corpse was found.

Everyone but the Einherjar from the house of Mr Bubbles.

Brendan seemed to be as shocked as them at the discovery, and took a second to realized the ramifications.

"OK, so who's the killer?", remarks Mr Bubbles.

Brendan looks into Mr Bubbles eyes, "Jörmungandr ?"

"Huh?" replies Mr Bubbles.

"Nevermind... What would you say to helping me kill this Krægor fella?"

"Sounds like a plan!"

Theohall steps up and takes Mr Bubbles aside and begins to explain the current situation.

Mr Bubbles nods and his eyes dart back and forth between Krægor and Brendan.

"OK, I change my vote to Brendan", Mr Bubbles looks over to Theohall, "Right?"

"Right" says Theohall.

Without further thought or discussion - The Einherjars from the houses of Mr Bubbles, Krægor, and Theohall all withdrew their swords as one, and thrust their blades into Brendan's chest.

Brendan collapsed to the ground, dead.

The Einherjar from the house of Theohall bent down and kicked the body of Brendan face up.

Brendan's eyes blazed red.

Brendan was most certainly Jötunn.

The remaining Einherjar looked at each other, as the illusion started to fade.

Thor and two nameless Einherjar, with only the mark of Valhalla, stood above the bleeding body of Loki.

It was over.

Finally

The Æsir were victorious!

SPOILERS
Austin............Sigrdrifa
theohall..........Thor
stessier..........Hel
tru1cy............Einherjar 6 (SOUL BOUND)
Remus West.... Einherjar 5
Arcanis.......... Odin (SOUL BOUND)
Chaosraven..... Sigrun
Mr Bubbles.......Einherjar 3
Scoop20906......Fenrir
pürge.............Heimdall
Isgrimnur........Freyja
Krægor...........Einherjar 1
Grundbegriff....Frigga
Lassr.............Einherjar 2
Mikagami........Einherjar 4
Brendan..........Loki

The Lost Tales of Ragnarök...

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:31 am

Can I haz MVP?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:32 am

Yea!

So, Brendan were you trying to hit the soulbound last night or were you trying for the 2-2-1 scenario?

I was hoping you were trying and tru1cy's last post before I died sealed his fate.

AS I died I thought the soulmates were going to be tru1cy and Brendan or tru1cy and theohall.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:33 am

Tru1cy doesn't even know he is dead yet.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:34 am

That was well played by all. I really enjoyed it but had to say i was disappointing in myself, after the DNS issues my game was really off. I know why it was but i'm still saddened that i screwed it up, but at least good wins over evil.

the short of my strategy was to be on the verge of getting lynched so the jotnar would leave me alone. then when i was close to a lynch reveal i was Odin and hopefully avoid extra holes being made in me.

Brendan i was trying to goad you into making a mistake the past couple of days it really didn't work from what i can tell. It was nothing personal though so if i bothered you at all with it sorry.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:35 am

w00tan!

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:36 am

Arcanis wrote:That was well played by all. I really enjoyed it but had to say i was disappointing in myself, after the DNS issues my game was really off. I know why it was but i'm still saddened that i screwed it up, but at least good wins over evil.

You were dealt an unusually complex hand (Soulbound Odin

), and you played it well. Feel good about it!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:38 am

Austin wrote:Can I haz MVP?

It's funny. When I made the 'sacrificial' role, I thought that players would likely lean toward thinking the best play would be for this to 'take the first night hit', so as to protect Odin/Frigga/Thor/Heimdall/Sigrun. After the first night, the game opens into something else, and her use would become a little more dynamic.

So I made it so she couldn't use her power on Night 0.

For you to be the first night kill gave me a big laugh.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:46 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Arcanis wrote:That was well played by all. I really enjoyed it but had to say i was disappointing in myself, after the DNS issues my game was really off. I know why it was but i'm still saddened that i screwed it up, but at least good wins over evil.
You were dealt an unusually complex hand (Soulbound Odin ), and you played it well. Feel good about it!

i felt good about the beginning of the game but got sloppy and erratic at the end. Thanks for the compliment though.
I actually kinda hopped Tru1cy was Loki in the back of my mind just so the irony could be at its maximum level possible.
Work piled on with the DNS issue and several emergencies for clients and my fiance and i think i have a hyper thyroid problem so that is why i felt like i was on redbull and nightquil. I had avery hard time staying focused when reading and posting and my brain kept getting sidetracked between thought and key stroke so all of my posts probably needed editing to fix the screw-ups because i left out important words or ideas.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:48 am

Arcanis wrote:the short of my strategy was to be on the verge of getting lynched so the jotnar would leave me alone. then when i was close to a lynch reveal i was Odin and hopefully avoid extra holes being made in me.

The night they killed Mikagami, they were seriously leaning toward killing you (on a whim). It was funny, I actually had the text all drawn up ready to describe your death and tru1cy's suicide, and the morning that followed. Then they just opted to take a blind swing at Mikagami instead. That would have totally turned this game around...

Certainly a tough line to walk. Treacherous Odin, ouch.... I think you did a great job. I'm not sure what you thought the Odin reveal would do to alleviate any 'Soul-bound' concerns though, and that had to be one of them.

OH - and also, I've been dying to ask you this Arcanis. I understand how it eventually became totally meaningless - but I was shocked you never actually Scanned tru1cy. I thought that a Soul-bound Odin would, on night 0, send those birds straight to his camp.

I also think Brendan did a pretty good job shoveling his way out of that mountain of hurt he was put in.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:52 am

Unagi wrote:Tru1cy doesn't even know he is dead yet.

Bruce "tru1cy" Willis

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:54 am

Lassr wrote:Yea!

So, Brendan were you trying to hit the soulbound last night or were you trying for the 2-2-1 scenario?

I was hoping you were trying and tru1cy's last post before I died sealed his fate.

AS I died I thought the soulmates were going to be tru1cy and Brendan or tru1cy and theohall.

Well, I was prepared for either eventuality, but I knew that the only way I'd ruin my chances was to hit the partner of a soulbound Arcanis. I chose tru1cy because I wasn't sure whether I'd be able to convince him to vote for Arcanis over me, and I figured Kraegor and Mr Bubbles might be swayable.

Oops.

I was expecting it to go 2-2-1, at which point I'd suddenly reveal that Arcanis was "not Einherjar", in an effort to incent any potential soulbound partner to vote for him.

Failing that, I was just going to flail randomly and point 1000000x at Grund's previous analysis of how Arcanis must be evil, and I must not.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:55 am

Arcanis wrote:Brendan i was trying to goad you into making a mistake the past couple of days it really didn't work from what i can tell. It was nothing personal though so if i bothered you at all with it sorry.

Haha - no, of course - nothing personal on my end either. I was just trying to inspire some trust in Kraegor by being a pain-in-the-ass.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:58 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Arcanis wrote:That was well played by all. I really enjoyed it but had to say i was disappointing in myself, after the DNS issues my game was really off. I know why it was but i'm still saddened that i screwed it up, but at least good wins over evil.
You were dealt an unusually complex hand (Soulbound Odin ), and you played it well. Feel good about it!

Yes, you almost won. Wonderful job!
The third option I had as soulmates was you and tru1cy and it's the one I dreaded the most because I didn't think you were going to get lynched (although Brendan did a fine job at the very end to raise some doubts).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:58 am

And less it goes without saying, - Purge - your lonely little scan, from your totally powerless role that you wish had more power

(ohhh the PM's I had to endure begging for more MORE more powerz

)... was the key to the games victory in many ways (combined with the Frigga prayers).

I know the data seems slow coming and sometimes dilute at the time - but ultimately it can be huge (as I know you know...)

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:58 am

i really wanted to at first then decided it shouldn't matter. The quickest way to get to the endgame was to kill the Jot. and hope the other players forgot about the soulbound. the odds of any player pairing up Odin and a Fenrir/Loki were pretty low, plus if it was fenrir then i was dead either way as his teammates would eventually throw him under the bus.

I actually wasn't trying to alleviate fears of me being soulbound i was going to let everyone assume i was acting strange because i was a new player and had a special role.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 pm

unagi wrote: Lassr's recent vote change of Mr.Bubbles (and then Kraegors vote against Lassr) could very easily be read as: Lassr is not evil, Kraegor is Soulbound.

EXACTLY!

Brenden avoided Bubbles which meant he was partly convinced Bubbles was soulbound.
When I voted and then bubbles defensively piles on well hell "which is SB???" so he avoided us both... leaving theo/tru1cy to choose from... 50/50 chance!

of course I was betting heavily on Bubbles not being soulbound and Lassr... well.. if he was soulbound i win if not... I had the 50/50 to fall back on. I didn't care what everyone else thought.... the only opinion that mattered was Brenden's.

I am also surprised to read that Kraegor feels his game is still about 'not voting'.
A single vote, placed early is enormously powerful. The removal of a vote is almost more powerfull. The removal of 2 votes is a game changer.

True, but "apparent hesitation" has its uses. I don't play the decisive game. That's Grund's area.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:04 pm

Brendan wrote:I was just trying to inspire some trust in Kraegor by being a pain-in-the-ass.

hah!

You both played solid games. Arcanis had to walk a tightrope and Brendan had to dig himself out of a pretty big hole.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:04 pm

Thanks for a great game, Unagi.

I'm honestly surprised my creations lasted as long as they did. Great work, Arcanis, on trying to keep alive. Unfortunately, the Jotnar had poor impulse control on their kills and would hare off in random directions.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:04 pm

a question for the peanut gallery. if i had posted my prepared defense would i have gotten you to vote Brendan had i lived? I had about 20 posts ready to quote to show how i wasn't evil, plus i was going to say what most of my pms were and when to help with my timeline. Plus i had a few quotes from Brendan trying to make him look evil. I was thinking it was way too much and it would look like i was grasping. Or was it a dead point since you guys had already mostly decided?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:07 pm

Arcanis wrote:a question for the peanut gallery. if i had posted my prepared defense would i have gotten you to vote Brendan had i lived? I had about 20 posts ready to quote to show how i wasn't evil, plus i was going to say what most of my pms were and when to help with my timeline. Plus i had a few quotes from Brendan trying to make him look evil. I was thinking it was way too much and it would look like i was grasping. Or was it a dead point since you guys had already mostly decided?

personally, I was more interested in killing the vanir. I hate secret societies...

I would have voted for you as the SB and let everyone else goto hel...

the only way I was killin Brenden was if I decided he was the SB. which was dependent on figurin out if Hel/Loki remained... I was a bit torn on that point. Hel (SB) remains and it doesnt matter can kill you first and still win the game (from my perspective at the time) Loki(SB) well hmmm... big mistake killin you first...

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:08 pm

Unagi wrote:And less it goes without saying, - Purge - your lonely little scan, from your totally powerless role that you wish had more power (ohhh the PM's I had to endure begging for more MORE more powerz )... was the key to the games victory in many ways (combined with the Frigga prayers).

I know the data seems slow coming and sometimes dilute at the time - but ultimately it can be huge (as I know you know...)

Oddly enough, had folks listen to either Purge or myself and allowed him(Purge) the night to scan Chaosraven the game may have fallen out differently because it would have been very clear which was which between Brenden and Arcanis.

And WHY DIDN'T CHAOSRAVEN PRAY?????

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:08 pm

Personally, (I know you aren't really asking the mod) I worried that your discussion was starting to make you look more and more Jotunn, while Brendan also - I felt he should have pretty much stuck with the sample of how both You and Stessier tossed out a 'barking up the wrong tree' line. I really thought that was a great little wedge to create some strong doubt against you. You talking about the big-debate the next day, I thought was going to work against you.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:11 pm

Remus West wrote:And WHY DIDN'T CHAOSRAVEN PRAY?????

So, yeah, what happened here?

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:11 pm

Further note, having now read through the spoiler forum: if I get murdered in some future game because of overuse of the term "tonight", I'm going to be irate.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:12 pm

yea i was concerned about that. The barking up the tree line i had accounted for and was going to point out Stess said it 26 hours after i did and likely did it subconsciously. i also was going to point out i brought up Sleipner Odin's horse.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:12 pm

Brendan wrote:
Remus West wrote:And WHY DIDN'T CHAOSRAVEN PRAY?????
So, yeah, what happened here?

He was AFK when he got killed and had thought he would have time. I'm just messing with him because he was so frustrated by that from behind the scenes.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:15 pm

Brendan wrote:Further note, having now read through the spoiler forum: if I get murdered in some future game because of overuse of the term "tonight", I'm going to be irate.

Chaosraven/Grund/Remus would likely hang you for it. I don't pay that close attention to detail.

I'd be tempted to kill you just because yer too cool under pressure. Kill the cool hands... the antsy ones will out themselves eventually....

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:16 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote: withdraw Kraegor

Wait.. I think I just had a stroke.

ya know, I could have laid out exactly how it was impossible for me to be evil... but it was just too much fun sticking with evil... it would have been totally worth it to lose the game due to my sarcasm and you/theo not paying attention.

I mean hell Brenden rolls over twice and you still voted for me...

we all have our dense days/weeks. Got a few games where I missed every single vote/analysis.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:18 pm

Do we have a new term for when a Good-guy doesn't follow a Good-guy plan...

He's Chaosprayen ?

I know we certain have a Mr Bumbles.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:18 pm

Kraegor wrote:I'd be tempted to kill you just because yer too cool under pressure.

When I first saw Arcanis' post with the BIG FONTS that said I'd fucked up Sigrun's rules, I had heart palpitations thinking that I hadn't paid enough attention. "Why would I Odin/stessier myself like that," said I. Luckily, it fell into the bucket of things I'd already considered. I had been keeping notes on the Jotnar forum on what I was thinking, and I kept having to refer back to my own previous posts there to figure out what the hell I had planned to do.

My attention span is not so good.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:19 pm

Unagi wrote:Do we have a new term for when a Good-guy doesn't follow a Good-guy plan...

He's Chaosprayen ?

I know we certain have a Mr Bumbles.

You know what.. I deserve it... I never had the time to put into this game and it showed. I'll probably take a break from these games until I get things settled.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:19 pm

Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:Purge - your lonely little scan, from your totally powerless role that you wish had more power ... was the key to the games victory in many ways (combined with the Frigga prayers).
Oddly enough, had folks listen to either Purge or myself and allowed him(Purge) the night to scan Chaosraven the game may have fallen out differently because it would have been very clear which was which between Brenden and Arcanis.

Yeah-- good thing we killed purge before he had a chance to clear Arcanis as Odin. If he had done that, the Vanir might've won.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:21 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:Yeah-- good thing we killed purge before he had a chance to clear Arcanis as Odin. If he had done that, the Vanir might've won.

And what would be wrong with that?

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:22 pm

Brendan wrote:
Kraegor wrote:I'd be tempted to kill you just because yer too cool under pressure.
When I first saw Arcanis' post with the BIG FONTS that said I'd fucked up Sigrun's rules, I had heart palpitations thinking that I hadn't paid enough attention. "Why would I Odin/stessier myself like that," said I. Luckily, it fell into the bucket of things I'd already considered. I had been keeping notes on the Jotnar forum on what I was thinking, and I kept having to refer back to my own previous posts there to figure out what the hell I had planned to do.

My attention span is not so good.

that was one of my big mistakes. I had started to go through it to make sure i had it right but couldn't stay focused enough to work out that you could pull it off with the ein/not-ein angle. i pathetically tried to play it off as a trap as i had done with admitting to being on the list with grund.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:24 pm

Arcanis wrote:a question for the peanut gallery. if i had posted my prepared defense would i have gotten you to vote Brendan had i lived? I had about 20 posts ready to quote to show how i wasn't evil, plus i was going to say what most of my pms were and when to help with my timeline. Plus i had a few quotes from Brendan trying to make him look evil. I was thinking it was way too much and it would look like i was grasping. Or was it a dead point since you guys had already mostly decided?

I would have voted Brendan. He was persuasive though but my gut said Brendan. Now I also thought he was more likely soul bound than you and I was wrong there.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:24 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:Purge - your lonely little scan, from your totally powerless role that you wish had more power ... was the key to the games victory in many ways (combined with the Frigga prayers).
Oddly enough, had folks listen to either Purge or myself and allowed him(Purge) the night to scan Chaosraven the game may have fallen out differently because it would have been very clear which was which between Brenden and Arcanis.
Yeah-- good thing we killed purge before he had a chance to clear Arcanis as Odin. If he had done that, the Vanir might've won.

Or Brenden may have killed him due to being unable to hide behind him any longer. Could have gone either way. Arcanis would have had a bit more pull though if alive so it would have been interesting.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:25 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:Yeah-- good thing we killed purge before he had a chance to clear Arcanis as Odin. If he had done that, the Vanir might've won.
And what would be wrong with that?

Why do you care? You won. Only evil and the poor saps you infected did not.