Ragnarök - Twilight of the Gods - Æsir Victory

[Grundbegriff]

Further note, having now read through the spoiler forum: if I get murdered in some future game because of overuse of the term "tonight", I'm going to be irate.

Chaosraven/Grund/Remus would likely hang you for it. I don't pay that close attention to detail.

This is interesting. Usually, we (as a group) call someone out for seeming to "poke the innocents" and it turns out that the comment was harmless and irrelevant. This time, someone actually repeatedly "pokes the innocents" and nobody called him out at all (except in the spoiler forum)!

Funny ol' game.

I'd be tempted to kill you just because yer too cool under pressure. Kill the cool hands... the antsy ones will out themselves eventually....

You kept a steady demeanor, Brendan, while Arcanis was a more emotional and variable player. /note to self
As a result, it was not a foregone conclusion that Arcanis would survive. And (to answer Arcanis's question) if Arcanis had stepped forward with a ream of evidence against you, he would've looked quite guilty and desperate in contrast to your stability and calm. So nice work. Even though the outcome wasn't what you wanted, you played effectively all the way to dawn of the final day. I think tru1cy's death+ was the only thing that rattled you.

[Grundbegriff]

we all have our dense days/weeks. Got a few games where I missed every single vote/analysis.

Tragically, you were the chief badguy in one of them!

[Grundbegriff]

I'd be tempted to kill you just because yer too cool under pressure.

When I first saw Arcanis' post with the BIG FONTS that said I'd fucked up Sigrun's rules, I had heart palpitations

That was a nice recovery, btw.

[Mr Bubbles]

we all have our dense days/weeks. Got a few games where I missed every single vote/analysis.

Tragically, you were the chief badguy in one of them!

[Kraegor]

we all have our dense days/weeks. Got a few games where I missed every single vote/analysis.

Tragically, you were the chief badguy in one of them!

Not my fault, I was lost...

[stessier]

"Why would I Odin/stessier myself like that," said I.

Ouch.

[Austin]

I enjoyed stessier's oops, and then everyone second guessing whether or not he would actually screw up that badly.

[Lassr]

Do we have a new term for when a Good-guy doesn't follow a Good-guy plan...

He's Chaosprayen ?

I know we certain have a Mr Bumbles.

You know what.. I deserve it... I never had the time to put into this game and it showed. I'll probably take a break from these games until I get things settled.

and in the end that convinced me you were not soul bound and that tru1cy probably was and I was hoping Brendan would pick up on it (I hinted at it before I died) and go ahead and eliminate the soul bound that night . Turns out that was not the reason he picked tru1cy.

I thought it would be better for him to try and hit the soulbound and then hope to get Arcanis lynched as evil instead of kill the non soulbound and then try to get Arcanis lynched as evil and then hope he was soulbound. But it all worked out in the end for us.

[Austin]

Really, had Brendan not hit a Soulbound, the good couldn't have won. It would have been either a soulbound or evil victory.

[Grundbegriff]

"Why would I Odin/stessier myself like that," said I.

Ouch.

This is permanent, btw.

Kelric! Fly! You're free!

[Mr Bubbles]

Do we have a new term for when a Good-guy doesn't follow a Good-guy plan...

He's Chaosprayen ?

I know we certain have a Mr Bumbles.

You know what.. I deserve it... I never had the time to put into this game and it showed. I'll probably take a break from these games until I get things settled.

and in the end that convinced me you were not soul bound and that tru1cy probably was and I was hoping Brendan would pick up on it (I hinted at it before I died) and go ahead and eliminate the soul bound that night . Turns out that was not the reason he picked tru1cy.

I was hoping that would come through. I can't claim any credit other than not screwing up totally, but I didn't want to meta game so I hoped that it would come through. I only became more active because I didn't want to be the totally absent player.

But for whats it's worth Lassr.... I wrong about you .

[Grundbegriff]

Really, had Brendan not hit a Soulbound, the good couldn't have won. It would have been either a soulbound or evil victory.

I think that's a fine testimony to the balance and measured complexity of this ruleset. It's among the best we've seen, I think.

[Unagi]

Further note, having now read through the spoiler forum: if I get murdered in some future game because of overuse of the term "tonight", I'm going to be irate.

You were safe this game... I wasn't allowed to harp on it.

[Lassr]

I enjoyed stessier's oops, and then everyone second guessing whether or not he would actually screw up that badly.

Yes, that had me guessing what his true strategy was almost all game! As I kept thinking maybe he's Freyja. Just so un-stessier like.

[stessier]

I enjoyed stessier's oops, and then everyone second guessing whether or not he would actually screw up that badly.

That was my favorite part too.

[Austin]

Really, had Brendan not hit a Soulbound, the good couldn't have won. It would have been either a soulbound or evil victory.

I think that's a fine testimony to the balance and measured complexity of this ruleset. It's among the best we've seen, I think.

Yes, it is a great ruleset. I'm sure it was fun to play.

[Lassr]

"Why would I Odin/stessier myself like that," said I.

Ouch.

This is permanent, btw.

Kelric! Fly! You're free!

uh huh, see, I told you if he wasn't setting something up then he must want a screw-up named after him.

Odin/Stessier.

[Kraegor]

Yeah-- good thing we killed purge before he had a chance to clear Arcanis as Odin. If he had done that, the Vanir might've won.

And what would be wrong with that?

Why do you care? You won. Only evil and the poor saps you infected did not.

Baltar with VD... he's conflicted and contagious...

[Unagi]

StesSeer?

[Unagi]

I am curious what it felt like to play Freyja, Isgrimnur.
I worried that it may feel a little 'bleh', as you maybe felt your best move was to just not effect anything.

[purge]

Purge - your lonely little scan, from your totally powerless role that you wish had more power ... was the key to the games victory in many ways (combined with the Frigga prayers).

Oddly enough, had folks listen to either Purge or myself and allowed him(Purge) the night to scan Chaosraven the game may have fallen out differently because it would have been very clear which was which between Brenden and Arcanis.

Yeah-- good thing we killed purge before he had a chance to clear Arcanis as Odin. If he had done that, the Vanir might've won.

They might've won 100 different ways. Knowing who the evil is doesn't mean killing the evil person; it just meant clearing Odin as Odin, and knowing Brendan was evil. He would have been the last one killed. Thing is, that also would have solidified Tru1cy's trust in Arcanis; apparently he had doubts and almost turned himself in to try to achieve an Aesir victory (as he thought Arc mighta been Hel).

I loved this game, and the only thing Heimdall needed was to not be the lynch-checker (which was revised and fixed). I do agree that Heimdall should have the ability to scan for soulbound or scan the dead. Hel is balanced just right.

[stessier]

"Why would I Odin/stessier myself like that," said I.

Ouch.

This is permanent, btw.

Kelric! Fly! You're free!

Not so fast.

Kelric came right out and told everyone who he was when the outcome of the vote was still in doubt.

I merely blew my attempt at faking a role due to a complete lack of reading the rules.

Kelric-ing means announcing your role for no good reason.
Odin/stessier means to mess up in game due to arrogance.

Big difference.

[Unagi]

"Why would I Odin/stessier myself like that," said I.

Ouch.

This is permanent, btw.
Kelric! Fly! You're free!

Not so fast.
Kelric came right out and told everyone who he was when the outcome of the vote was still in doubt.
I merely blew my attempt at faking a role due to a complete lack of reading the rules.
Kelric-ing means announcing your role for no good reason.
Odin/stessier means to mess up in game due to arrogance.
Big difference.

Your 'Kelric' wasn't you screwing up Odin, it was admitting it right away and asking people to be kind to your corpse. Kelric'n is just giving up before any votes are in.

[stessier]

Your 'Kelric' wasn't you screwing up Odin, it was admitting it right away and asking people to be kind to your corpse. Kelric'n is just giving up before any votes are in.

True enough.

I just never conceived that people would give me the benefit of the doubt. There was no logical explanation that should have satisfied people. I forgot who I was playing with, though, and should have kept going.

[Isgrimnur]

I am curious what it felt like to play Freyja, Isgrimnur.
I worried that it may feel a little 'bleh', as you maybe felt your best move was to just not effect anything.

I've never been in a game where I've been an unpowered, but I imagine this was close. Once things started getting fleshed out, I felt a little marginalized as I imagine an unpowered might. I outed myself in direct response to the goad of "contributing somemthing of merit" dig, and figured it might liven up my role a bit. I don't have the Grundian ability to parse and analyze at that high a level. The knowledge of the SB was interesting, but of no help to me in affecting events unless I wanted to out them, which was never in my best interest.

Honestly, when I died, I almost welcomed it as I couldn't imagine making a vote at that time would have an appreciable impact or was likely to backfire. Some would figure that I was voting for one of the SB to try and throw them off or that I was not voting for any of them. After I made my role known, I began to feel that I had no credibility. Heck, some didn't even believe me when I did reveal my role. Perhaps it served as a distraction enough to keep others alive and muddy the waters enough to change things.

I can't really articulate what different way the role might be written to improve it.

That being said, I did enjoy the game and thanks for running it.

[Unagi]

I just never conceived that people would give me the benefit of the doubt. There was no logical explanation that should have satisfied people. I forgot who I was playing with, though, and should have kept going.

I bet those are words right out of Kelric's mouth.

[Unagi]

That being said, I did enjoy the game and thanks for running it.

I had a fun time running it. I'm very happy that most everyone had a good time with it. Thank you all for your public and private kind words and compliments.

[Grundbegriff]

Really, had Brendan not hit a Soulbound, the good couldn't have won. It would have been either a soulbound or evil victory.

I think that's a fine testimony to the balance and measured complexity of this ruleset. It's among the best we've seen, I think.

Yes, it is a great ruleset. I'm sure it was fun to play.

Who are you?

[Grundbegriff]

Odin/Stessier.

"I can't believe he just Odinstessed!"

"Everything will go according to plan, unless someone Odinstesses."

"Step back. Things are about to get Odinstessy...."

[Unagi]

Odin/Stessier.

"I can't believe he just Odinstessed!"

"Everything will go according to plan, unless someone Odinstesses."

"Step back. Things are about to get Odinstessy...."

"I think he just stesseered"

[Grundbegriff]

Honestly, when I died, I almost welcomed it as I couldn't imagine making a vote at that time would have an appreciable impact or was likely to backfire.

If one of your Chosen had stepped forward while you were alive and had claimed to be Freyja, how would you have responded?

Would you have assumed it was a pro-Vanir tactic and given that person cover?
Or would you have assumed you had accidentally bound Hel and exposed the faker?

[Grundbegriff]

I do agree that Heimdall should have the ability to scan for soulbound or scan the dead. Hel is balanced just right.

I think it would even be reasonable to give Heimdall a dual power.

Instead of having the nightly Heimdall scan be one of the two, an every-other-night additional scan for Soulboundies might work:

Monday night: Scan Deader and scan Alfred for Soulbondage
Tuesday night: Scan Deader
Wednesday night: Scan Deader and scan Benicio for Soulbondage
Thursday night: Scan Deader
Friday night: Scan Deader and scan Caroline for Soulbondage
etc....

That would add a margin of additional threat and analysis-fodder: "Is this a night when Heimdall (if alive) might find a Boundie?" would become a relevant question.

[Brendan]

Having faked Sigrun for a few days, I've got to say that Sigrun's power doesn't seem like it's particularly useful - you can't shift on a dime to react to any individual action, obviously.

I was surprised no one did the math to ask "So, if you're done scanning Arcanis tomorrow, what, you did a half-scan after telling Arcanis that he needs to scan Isgrimnur or he's a fool?"

[Grundbegriff]

Odin/Stessier.

"I can't believe he just Odinstessed!"

"Everything will go according to plan, unless someone Odinstesses."

"Step back. Things are about to get Odinstessy...."

"I think he just stesseered"

Yeah, I see the integration of Seer to imply fake-Seer. But stessier is usually a competent Special. That's why folks had a hard time believing this, like Chaosraven's non-prayer, was just one of those things.

No, I think it's only when he's both arrogant and a Jetson among Nords that stessier loses his cool.

[Grundbegriff]

Having been faking Sigrun for a few days, I've got to say that Sigrun's power doesn't seem like it's particularly useful"

Maybe. I think it all hangs on what Sigrun happens to discover.

[theohall]

And less it goes without saying, - Purge - your lonely little scan, from your totally powerless role that you wish had more power (ohhh the PM's I had to endure begging for more MORE more powerz )... was the key to the games victory in many ways (combined with the Frigga prayers).

I know the data seems slow coming and sometimes dilute at the time - but ultimately it can be huge (as I know you know...)

Oddly enough, had folks listen to either Purge or myself and allowed him(Purge) the night to scan Chaosraven the game may have fallen out differently because it would have been very clear which was which between Brenden and Arcanis.

And WHY DIDN'T CHAOSRAVEN PRAY?????

Odds are the soulbound would have won had we listened. Yes, following your suggestions would've sped up identifying the evil one, but we still would've had the soulbound issue - which was the major sticking point at the end.

[tru1cy]

Tru1cy doesn't even know he is dead yet.

I knew last night I was dead. Just didn't log in... I lurk alot

[Arcanis]

Odds are the soulbound would have won had we listened. Yes, following your suggestions would've sped up identifying the evil one, but we still would've had the soulbound issue - which was the major sticking point at the end.

why do you think i was so disappointed when he came up good. I blame Grund and his beating us with analysis for us loosing

[Grundbegriff]

Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design.

[Arcanis]

next time use a baseball bat it will be less painful and take less time