Scoop 101: Day 4 - Remus West has gone south!

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:57 am

Remus West wrote:I think we leave tru1cy out for now.

Why?

Kraegor

Kraegor's less snarky than usual.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:57 am

Just remember how many votes it is gonna take to hit majority.
If we end up with tru1cy...

Say Bad Guy, would you do us the favor of killing him if he's not you? kthxbye.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:00 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Just remember how many votes it is gonna take to hit majority.
If we end up with tru1cy...

Say Bad Guy, would you do us the favor of killing him if he's not you? kthxbye.

This has been on my mind. It's happened before which is why I'm not happy that tru1cy has decided to go AWOL. Do we trust Kraegor to scan tru1cy while we take out Brendan or do we kill Kraegor. I don't have my mind made up yet, but will certain think about it. We do need to be careful we do not bandwagon just yet, but since there should only be one more I think it's safe to say the baddie wouldn't do anything stupid just yet.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:01 pm

just as a side note I am leaning toward Brendan as the last baddie, but I could be wrong.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:06 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:just as a side note I am leaning toward Brendan as the last baddie, but I could be wrong.

You're wrong, but as long as you guess correctly tomorrow night, no foul.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:08 pm

Oh, and before someone complains about me using "night" incorrectly, please recall that I did it about 1203 times last game. It's becoming a (n unfortunate) personal trademark!

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:08 pm

Brendan wrote:
Remus West wrote:I think we leave tru1cy out for now.
Why?

Kraegor

Kraegor's less snarky than usual.

dude you noticed that??? but... I was being so subtle...

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:10 pm

Kraegor wrote:dude you noticed that??? but... I was being so subtle...

Yes, your snark/sentence ratio is down to 0.31 this game, having peaked on day 4 of the previous game at 0.81, before maintaining a rolling average of 0.74.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:29 pm

Brendan wrote:Oh, and before someone complains about me using "night" incorrectly, please recall that I did it about 1203 times last game. It's becoming a (n unfortunate) personal trademark!

Were you not a bad guy last game? Using habits developed as a bad guy to persuade us you are now a good guy might not be the best tactic.

Something to be said for lynching Kraegor is that he has the Coconut. However, it also says don't lynch him since he has the Coconut which means he could have used it last night but there was no conversion so he probably can not use it (doesn't mean that he is Normal, just that he is probably not UR-Grue). Also, the Thief is going to move it regardless of what we do so targeting the nut is rather pointless really.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:38 pm

Semaj wrote:Ok....

Minor thought, not a huge one yet....

What if a baddie has the coconut. I.E. Mipe gave it to the wrong (I.e. an evil who scanned as non implementor)

He sure as hell cannot admit to having it, since he needs it to convert someone tonight.

Withdraw Remus

gathering...

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:46 pm

Voting Record:
Remus West acc Kraegor(1)
Remus West wd Kraegor(0)
**Remus West acc Brendan(1)
**Brendan acc Kreagor(1)

Vote Tally:
>Brendan: 1 - Remus West
Kraegor: 1 - Brendan

Majority is 4. There is no hard deadline but there may be a soft deadline. Mods discretion if there will be a deadline.

No votes registered: tru1cy, chaosraven, Mr Bubbles, Kraegor

** denotes player's current vote.
> denotes the player who would be killed should a Deadline be announced and reached with no further changes.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:48 pm

Austin (Night 0)

Go West.

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purge wrote:> CALCULATE

The idea that two of three implementors are to survive does not mean betrayal; it means that if a forum is set up there can be sacrifice made to help solidify someone in our good graces.

What am I reading here?

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-Austin is "active" night 0.
Points to the use of "our" by Purge as a Poke the Innocents.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:49 pm

theohall

>CLOSE DOOR ON mipe
>BLOCK DOOR WITH CHAIR

"mipe's evil stare was freakin' me out"

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>SAY "Prove you aren't a grue and we might let you in"

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ASK> Did purge just purgaculate? Or is that semajulate?

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theohall is also "active" Night Zero, uses purge and semaj in reference to Purge "poking the Innocents"

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:49 pm

purge

> CALCULATE

The idea that two of three implementors are to survive does not mean betrayal; it means that if a forum is set up there can be sacrifice made to help solidify someone in our good graces.

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>NORTH

You head north, and find a stack of hay. The straws look dry and in the torchlight they seem to be almost unnatural.

>GRASP AT STRAW

you reach out into the darkness and find nothing.

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Purge is "active" night Zero.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:50 pm

semaj

>Ponder Meaning of Life
>Agree with Remus
>say Never liked that Mipe person anyways

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>Stop, collaborate and listen
Ice is back with a brand new edition.
>Something grabs a hold of me tightly
.... ok 2 lines was enough, now it's just overkill.

No really...

I will totally introduce you to a grue if you say one more line.

No threat here...

> Say I was just trying to be funny. Cut me some slack here. And if you are going to get on my arse, feel free to poke flaws in bubbles last post.

Dude, I'm just as confused as you are. I think it's his form of "code"

>Say he always was bad at that kinda shit.

You do know you are talking to a computer right? Who the hell are you to criticize anyone?

>Cry in a corner, wondering why even inanimate objects hate me so.

Whussy.

P.S. Do I really have to do this for 50 pages? (Although in theory I only have to worry about 10)

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>Punt Remus into space.

This one I agree with.

>Make sure he is crying like the Nancyboy he is....

Already done.

>Give Remus Evil Look as he flies into orbit.

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Semaj is "Active" Night Zero.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:52 pm

Remus West wrote:>HELP
When scanned via Sword or Coconut does the converted (last living) Implementor show as Imp or Normal/Evil?

Rulez wrote:Coconut of Quendor - The Coconut of Quendor can be used to scan for an implementor.

Elvish sword of great antiquity - The elvish sword can be used to reveal the alignment (normal, evil) each night. Implementors show as normal when scanned by the elvish sword.

If two implementors are killed leaving only one implementor living, then an implementor victory is not possible. Once this occurs the implementor is converted to one of the two teams (evil or normal) based on the following criteria:

* If two or more evil players are still alive, that implementor becomes a normal player and loses any powers he had.
* If only one evil player is alive, that implementor becomes an evil player and loses any powers he had.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:53 pm

Brendan wrote:It's in the first paragraph of the section you quoted: "The game objects will be randomly distributed at the beginning of the game to the normal players ONLY."

Responding to Purge (Evil) as to why only Normals began with items

Gathering...

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:55 pm

Austin wrote: Kraegor

seems too nice this game. Of course he hasn't really said anything yet.

Gathering...

Actually I think the Day One voting of our 4 evils deserves a looksie

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:12 pm

Day One
Evil Players noted in RED

Scoop20906 wrote:VOTING IS CLOSED!! WE HAVE A MAJORITY VOTE!!

Voting Record:
mipe acc Remus West(1)
semaj acc Remus West(2)
theohall acc Mr Bubbles(1)
Mr Bubbles acc theohall(1)
tru1cy acc Austin(1)
Austin acc Kraegor(1)
Remus West acc Mr Bubbles(2)
Brendan acc Kraegor(2)
Remus West wd Mr Bubbles(1)
Remus West acc Kraegor(3)
theohall wd Mr Bubbles(0)
**theohall acc Kraegor(4)
**Grundbegriff acc Remus West(3)
Remus West wd Kraegor(3)
Remus West acc Remus West(4)
Remus West wd Remus West(3)
Austin wd Kraegor(2)
Austin acc Mr Bubbles
semaj wd Remus West(2)
semaj acc Mr Bubbles(2)
Remus West acc Mr Bubbles(3)
Remus West wd Mr Bubbles(2)
Mr Bubbles wd theohall(0)
Mr Bubbles acc Austin(2)
Brendan wd Kraegor(1)
Brendan acc Mr Bubbles(1)
Remus West ac mipe(1)
Austin wd Mr Bubbles(2)
Austin acc mipe(2)
Mr Bubbles wd Austin(1)
Mr Bubbles acc mipe(3)
Semaj wd Mr Bubbles(1)
Semaj acc mipe(4)
mipe wd Remus West(1)
mipe acc mipe(5)
Austin wd mipe(4)
Remus West wd mipe(3)
Remus West acc Semaj(1)
Semaj wd mipe(2)
Semaj acc Mr Bubbles(2)
Mr Bubbles wd mipe(1)
Mr Bubbles acc Semaj(2)
mipe wd mipe(0)
Remus West wd Semaj(1)
Remus West acc Mr Bubbles(3)
Remus West wd Mr Bubbles(2)
Brendan wd Mr Bubbles(1)
**Remus West acc Theohall(1)
Semaj wd Mr Bubbles(0)
**Austin acc theohall(2)
**Brendan acc theohall(3)
**Semaj acc Purge(1)
tru1cy wd Austin(1)
**tru1cy acc theohall(4)
**mipe acc theohall(5)
**Purge acc Semaj(2)
**Kraegor acc theohall(6)
Mr Bubbles wd Semaj(1)
**Mr Bubbles acc theohall(7)

Vote Tally:
>theohall: 7 - Remus West, Austin, Brendan, tru1cy, mipe, Kraegor, Mr Bubbles
Semaj: 1 - Purge
Remus West: 1 - Grundbegriff
Kraegor: 1 - theohall
Purge: 1 - Semaj

Majority is 7. There is no hard deadline but there may be a soft deadline. Mods discretion if there will be a deadline.

No votes registered: chaosraven

** denotes player's current vote.
> denotes the player who would be killed should a Deadline be announced and reached with no further changes.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:12 pm

You know its funny but since I've been burned by Remus in the past I can't help but shake the fact that he could be an implementor. I'm not saying I have a strong foundation, but my history has lead me to having trust issues with Remus.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:15 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:You know its funny but since I've been burned by Remus in the past I can't help but shake the fact that he could be an implementor. I'm not saying I have a strong foundation, but my history has lead me to having trust issues with Remus.

(Smacks Bubbles in the head)

He used the sword.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:21 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:You know its funny but since I've been burned by Remus in the past I can't help but shake the fact that he could be an implementor. I'm not saying I have a strong foundation, but my history has lead me to having trust issues with Remus.
(Smacks Bubbles in the head)

He used the sword.

My point... as much as I know it illogical I can't help but be suspicious of Remus... I think I've been trained by the bell.
Maybe I should have stated I know it was illogical to begin with.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:39 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:You know its funny but since I've been burned by Remus in the past I can't help but shake the fact that he could be an implementor. I'm not saying I have a strong foundation, but my history has lead me to having trust issues with Remus.
(Smacks Bubbles in the head)

He used the sword.
My point... as much as I know it illogical I can't help but be suspicious of Remus... I think I've been trained by the bell.
Maybe I should have stated I know it was illogical to begin with.

It is not illogical, it is impossible. Only a NORMAL could have used the sword in the manner I did.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:43 pm

Chaosraven, the problem I have with looking at the day 1 voting is that not all the Evils knew each other (even with the assumption that the Imps had their forum right at the start) so while they may have voted for another Evil it could easily have been an Imp voting for a Grue or vice versa so it really won't tell us much. I'm going to look at what you posted a bit more closely just in case something grabs my attention though.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:50 pm

Remus West wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:You know its funny but since I've been burned by Remus in the past I can't help but shake the fact that he could be an implementor. I'm not saying I have a strong foundation, but my history has lead me to having trust issues with Remus.
(Smacks Bubbles in the head)

He used the sword.
My point... as much as I know it illogical I can't help but be suspicious of Remus... I think I've been trained by the bell.
Maybe I should have stated I know it was illogical to begin with.
It is not illogical, it is impossible. Only a NORMAL could have used the sword in the manner I did.

I am very aware of that... My thought process is illogical. I don't think you can lable thoughts as impossible or possible... At least I don't think.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:48 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:I am very aware of that... My thought process is illogical. I don't think you can lable thoughts as impossible or possible... At least I don't think.

Ah, I misunderstood what you meant. Probably because I am still trying to figure out if you are Grue and I am worried about everything you do.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:51 pm

Remus West wrote:Chaosraven, the problem I have with looking at the day 1 voting is that not all the Evils knew each other (even with the assumption that the Imps had their forum right at the start) so while they may have voted for another Evil it could easily have been an Imp voting for a Grue or vice versa so it really won't tell us much. I'm going to look at what you posted a bit more closely just in case something grabs my attention though.

Exactly - without the ability to put them definitively into two buckets, we're going to have a tough time drawing conclusions from that first day voting.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:00 pm

Brendan wrote:
Remus West wrote:Chaosraven, the problem I have with looking at the day 1 voting is that not all the Evils knew each other (even with the assumption that the Imps had their forum right at the start) so while they may have voted for another Evil it could easily have been an Imp voting for a Grue or vice versa so it really won't tell us much. I'm going to look at what you posted a bit more closely just in case something grabs my attention though.
Exactly - without the ability to put them definitively into two buckets, we're going to have a tough time drawing conclusions from that first day voting.

How interesting that you go there since your name was the one (between you and Kraegor) not voted for on day 1 by any of the known evils.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:08 pm

Remus West wrote:
Brendan wrote:
Remus West wrote:Chaosraven, the problem I have with looking at the day 1 voting is that not all the Evils knew each other (even with the assumption that the Imps had their forum right at the start) so while they may have voted for another Evil it could easily have been an Imp voting for a Grue or vice versa so it really won't tell us much. I'm going to look at what you posted a bit more closely just in case something grabs my attention though.
Exactly - without the ability to put them definitively into two buckets, we're going to have a tough time drawing conclusions from that first day voting.
How interesting that you go there since your name was the one (between you and Kraegor) not voted for on day 1 by any of the known evils.

Hey, you're welcome to kill me today, as long as you have 100% confidence you'll get it right on the next try after you've eliminated me as a possibility. I'm agreeing with your indisputably true point, and if that creates some suspicion in you, that's too bad for our team (and is apparently a tactical error on my part, given that I'd prefer you vote for, y'know, whoever the evil guy is).

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:35 pm

Brendan wrote:Hey, you're welcome to kill me today, as long as you have 100% confidence you'll get it right on the next try after you've eliminated me as a possibility. I'm agreeing with your indisputably true point, and if that creates some suspicion in you, that's too bad for our team (and is apparently a tactical error on my part, given that I'd prefer you vote for, y'know, whoever the evil guy is).

He will say the same thing (he being any of the other players that are unknown). We have no method for being 100% certain of any of you at this point. I feel better about lynching you than I do lynching Kraegor. I feel better about lynching Kraegor than about lynching tru1cy. I feel that if tru1cy wins by playing the "I am not here" game two things will happen. 1st I will vote to lynch tru1cy day 1 no matter what else is going on. 2nd I will vote to lynch tru1cy each following day no matter what else is going on until he is no more.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:41 pm

It's true - you have no method of identifying the malefactor, which is why you should follow your other impulse of "kill the guy with the coconut." That actually has some other in-game effect, and it prevents him, if the UR-Grue, from doing something evil with it. And ultimately, if Kraegor isn't evil, you can still move on to your alternative plan of killing me (which would also lose the game).

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:45 pm

Brendan wrote:It's true - you have no method of identifying the malefactor, which is why you should follow your other impulse of "kill the guy with the coconut." That actually has some other in-game effect, and it prevents him, if the UR-Grue, from doing something evil with it. And ultimately, if Kraegor isn't evil, you can still move on to your alternative plan of killing me (which would also lose the game).

Actually, it does not have that effect. The thief will steal the Coconut regardless of where it starts the night and who ever the thief gives it to will have a chance to use it. Killing the Coconut holder does nothing but tell us what side that player was on same as killing anyone else.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:45 am

Remus West wrote:Chaosraven, the problem I have with looking at the day 1 voting is that not all the Evils knew each other (even with the assumption that the Imps had their forum right at the start) so while they may have voted for another Evil it could easily have been an Imp voting for a Grue or vice versa so it really won't tell us much. I'm going to look at what you posted a bit more closely just in case something grabs my attention though.

It is the same problem as ALWAYS, Remus, "do they vote together" "do they stay away" cup in front of you.

Perhaps it would be easier if each Bad Guy had his own color.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:52 am

Well, Brendan placed the nice "safe" third vote on Theohall, enough to be there if he was teamed with him but also enough not to be blamed if Theo had not been his teammate and turned up "Normal". Kraegor placed the second to last vote on there. I think that a bit late were they teammates and also a position that would garner attention should Theo be "Normal".

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:11 am

Remus West wrote:Well, Brendan placed the nice "safe" third vote on Theohall, enough to be there if he was teamed with him but also enough not to be blamed if Theo had not been his teammate and turned up "Normal". Kraegor placed the second to last vote on there. I think that a bit late were they teammates and also a position that would garner attention should Theo be "Normal".

Giving Kraegor a slight edge

**Remus West acc Theohall(1)
Semaj wd Mr Bubbles(0)
**Austin acc theohall(2)
**Brendan acc theohall(3)
**Semaj acc Purge(1)
tru1cy wd Austin(1)
**tru1cy acc theohall(4)
**mipe acc theohall(5)
**Purge acc Semaj(2)
**Kraegor acc theohall(6)
Mr Bubbles wd Semaj(1)
**Mr Bubbles acc theohall(7)

And tru1cy is on there in the midrange as well.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:23 am

yeehaww, takin the edge!
<making race car noises>

It's pretty simple math. One has obviously considered all the angles. should never ever lynch tru1cy. that's like.... strateegory or something.... so... 2 misses. 2 players. I see destiny!

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:28 am

Okay, that was pretty funny. Also, it increases your ratio closer to normal levels.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:31 am

Chaosraven wrote:And tru1cy is on there in the midrange as well.

Yep, but tru1cy is either not an evil or playing the "not here" evil and I have already stated that if he is doing the later I will look on it as low enough to spend every game he and I are in together voting him until he is dead regardless of anything else. If he is not doing that then it still sucks ass as the final Evil gets hung out to dry due to his not playing.....thus my mini-rant and the fact that I may need to be taking a break from these games until people actually participate again.

Also, remember, the thief gave Brendan the Lantern. Not much but it is a slightly higher chance that he is/was an Imp due to that. We also have Grund's assertation regarding Kraegor from the early game not being able to pay attention to more than a single forum at a time implying that he was an Imp.

Also, on the side of tru1cy not being evil, we have his bouncing vote behavior. He seemed to jump on any vote that started up. I mentioned it that day in an implicating manner to see what he and others would do but I really view that as more of a Normal behavior than and Evil one as the Normals have no reason not to vote for anyone else.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:35 am

Oh, also do not forget that Brendan made a comment about not passing the Lantern. It struck me as very Evil at the time. Seemed like he wanted a good explanation for living through the night.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:39 am

. I mentioned it that day in an implicating manner to see what he and others would do but I really view that as more of a Normal behavior than and Evil one as the Normals have no reason not to vote for anyone else.

<cue national anthem>
hell yeah! indiscriminate voting, a sign that people care!