(Almost) Simple WW Game - Game Over

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:27 am

withdraw Unagi

Chaosraven

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:29 am

It will be interesting to see where Newcastle and Chaosraven place their votes.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:50 am

theohall wrote:It will be interesting to see where Newcastle and Chaosraven place their votes.

I think Chaosraven's vote is currently on Chaosraven.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:25 am

[queue peggle intro music]

Some posts last night after I want to be I see. Grund's argument is less then compelling. I was hoping for more. Newcastle makes a few good points but also (I agree a bit with Grund) seemed to be fishing.

One thing Newcastle says (and I said before) is if we do kill Theohall and he is a villager, what does that leaves us with for tomorrow's vote? All you right brains think about that for a bit.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:54 am

Unagi wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Newcastle wrote:here's the another thing i am thinking. The hewolf knows who the shewolf is. So therefore, he is going to try to do his best to not get them lynched...how? maybe misdirect, try to focus in on other people quickly. So maybe look for someone who is tryin to avoid getting too much heat on someone else.

I think if i were the hewolf i would also try in some way signal to the shewolf that i recognize them...how and even if they try is up to the player. But I think if I were the hewolf, i would try to send some sort of messsage to them. The last thing I think i would want as the hewolf, is to be the night kill. They lose a dayl, and gives the villagers another chance at finding either of them.

Just my two cents right now.
So, ummm.... was this you signalling to Theohall that you are the he-wolf, and you know who he is ??

I had the same read, but thought everyone would think I was silly.

Nope not silly. I thought the same thing.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:05 am

theohall

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:05 am

Scoop20906 wrote: One thing Newcastle says (and I said before) is if we do kill Theohall and he is a villager, what does that leaves us with for tomorrow's vote? All you right brains think about that for a bit.

I don't disagree here but when do we kill the villagers that give us no additional info? If we suspect them when do we kill them?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:26 am

Looks like we're waiting on Semaj and Newcastle. Guess I'll check back sometime after 2 to see if I'm dead or not, since Semaj won't be up until then.

Just still don't get the logic Unagi is using for why I'm so guilty, which everyone except Scoop and Newcastle seem to be buying.

Wouldn't gaining info to find the She-Wolf and potentially killing a "suspect" rather than just killing a "suspect" be more beneficial to the eventual outcome? That's the point most seem to be missing and is what appears is going to transpire.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:34 am

theohall wrote:The village gains the absolute least by killing someone whose claim is doubly verified, but that apparently doesn't matter.

Yeah, um - I pointed that out to you - as you were voting to lynch Semaj and then me (both of our claims have been double verified).... And then now you say this???

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:52 am

Unagi wrote:
theohall wrote: withdraw Semaj

Unagi

When you are good Theohall, you are much better than this. I mean that as a compliment.
Why was Semaj, (and now - me,) a better "test lynch" than someone like Chaosraven?
The death of Semaj would have revealed what?
Good Semaj = Honest Semaj
But his claim that Lassr isn't the She-wolf is backed up by Scoop. So there is no need to test his honesty.
Same applies for me - as both Lassr and I have claimed Mr Bubbles.
The Chaosraven and Grund votes, at the very least, result in learning something about their Claim's chances of being 1 of the wolves (as Scoop has described, and is absolutely correct).
Personally, I find that information to be of slim value, but you Theohall had said it was important to "pick from the list"... So, I ask you Theohall - why Semaj?
(I would ask you, "Why Unagi", but it was clear that was a counter-attack. However, if you care to - you can explain "Why Unagi" if you want as well...)

ignored by theohall, but then later he says:

theohall wrote:The village gains the absolute least by killing someone whose claim is doubly verified, but that apparently doesn't matter.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:38 pm

theohall wrote:If being the first to post a name is what makes one guilty, guess I should've waited and been a bandwagon jumper instead. It's not like getting home from work, reading the board and posting has anything to do with when the post was written.

I think people's belief in your guilt has a lot more to do with your squirmish defense of yourself than anything else. And i am almost of the mind to pop a vote on you. But, I really would like to hear more from
Semaj

Dont get me wrong, I do see why everyone is voting for Theo, but at the same time I really dont want to see a days vote wasted. I mean what do we gain from Theo's death that builds on our knowledge base? As Scoop has pointed out, I totally see why he's popped a vote on CR.

I would like to see more from Semaj, because he's in essence gotten a free pass for today. I dont intend on voting for CR today. I might vote for Theohall, but i really would like to hear more from Semaj.

Also before the night comes...any additional info Lassr and Bubbles wish to share with the rest of us? Since in all likelihood either one of you two will be tonight's snack.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:19 pm

Unagi has his teeth sunk into Theohall and he can't let loose now. I actually think he has built up a pretty good case against him however, I know from several past games that something that reads and feels like a sure thing can easily just be a poor defense by a guy trying to stay alive (Purge??). If I was more positive about this I would join the Theohall vote but I think I've made a good choice voting for Chaosraven and I think everyone sees the logic in it. I don't need to campaign for it. Either you guys come around to my thinking or you won't.

Answer to Lassr: I felt today was the time to take the logical approach and pare down our She-wolf choices for tomorrow. Tomorrow I fully intend to follow my hunches. Some of you may see it as a lost day. I see it as a way to make the Day One crap shoot have some meaning on Day 2.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:57 am

I'm still alive? You nailed it Scoop, but that's not easy to convince the rest of the world is the truth.

It's kinda hard to defend one's self when the rest see every single post one's make as an act of guilt. Oh, well.

I'd still like Unagi to explain how being the first to claim Remus West as an innocent equates to being a wolf, when there is absolutlely no guarantee TWO additional folk will make the same claim. Had it only been one person, yes, it looks like both individuals are guilty as hell. But to make the initial claim and then see two follow on claims equals guilt???? That makes no sense.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:56 am

Monday Vote Tally

theohall acc Semaj (1)
Scoop acc Grund (1)
Scoop wd Grund (0)
Lassr acc theohall (1)
Unagi acc theohall (2)
theohall wd Semaj (0)
theohall acc Unagi (1)
Scoop acc Chaosraven (1)
Chaosraven acc Chaosraven (2)
Grundbegriff acc theohall (3)
theohall wd Unagi (0)
theohall acc Chaosraven (3)
Mr Bubbles acc theohall (4)
Newcastle acc Semaj (1)

Votes needed = 5

Against theohall (4): Lassr, Unagi, Grund, Mr Bubbles
Against Chaos (3): Scoop, Chaos, theohall
Against Semaj (1): Newcastle

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:24 am

theohall wrote:I'd still like Unagi to explain how being the first to claim Remus West as an innocent equates to being a wolf, when there is absolutlely no guarantee TWO additional folk will make the same claim. Had it only been one person, yes, it looks like both individuals are guilty as hell. But to make the initial claim and then see two follow on claims equals guilt???? That makes no sense.

Strawman, I never said any of that. Not a single word of that. Where did you even get all of that from?

And - why don't you answer my last few questions directed at you? It's easy - go up to my last few posts - and try and see if I specifically ask Theohall a specific question. Then read where I pointed out you blew my question off.

I'll answer any of your questions Theohall, but the one you posed above is absurd. I never said the nature of you being so obviously a wolf (like the She variety), was do to the fact that two people followed up your vote on Remus West.

Listen to this horrid strawman you gave me: "to make the initial claim and then see two follow on claims equals guilt???? "

Absurd.

In fact, I think I've been painfully verbose about my detailed feelings on your play. And - frankly, a couple players (even those that haven't voted for you) have all but agreed that your behavior stinks to high-heaven.... Yet you demand that I explain : "how, when two others followed your claim - that equals guilt !?"

In short - after the initial lens was turned in your direction - you have flailed about with various angles of defense.

It began with your desire to test Semaj, since he was one on the list. Then you moved to me, as I was bugging you. Then, after I pointed out that a Semaj (and Unagi) lynch would only "test" an already comfirmed claim, you then strangely adopted that position as your own and never went back to the Semaj and Unagi angles. You stumbled out of the gate, and you are still getting on your feet. And in the process you challenge me with ridiculous strawmen counter arguments, which just seals the deal - IMO.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:30 am

Its time for Semaj to cast his vote, otherwise, he is getting mine.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:40 am

theohall, your recent actions have really solidified my vote on you. Losing a villager on the first day is no big deal and can be expected and if it was me I would put up a token defense, spill my guts on who I suspected and then let the village do it's job. So I'm not sure if your actions are just from someone who doesn't want to die and leave the game or if you think your living really benefits the village or if you are a wolf fighting for survival.

If you do not die this round then you will continue to be a top target every round and a distraction if you really aren't a wolf. I'd rather find out now.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:28 am

I don't feel like waiting for Semaj. Theohall

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:37 am

VOTING CLOSED!

Monday Vote Tally - Final Count

theohall acc Semaj (1)
Scoop acc Grund (1)
Scoop wd Grund (0)
Lassr acc theohall (1)
Unagi acc theohall (2)
theohall wd Semaj (0)
theohall acc Unagi (1)
Scoop acc Chaosraven (1)
Chaosraven acc Chaosraven (2)
Grundbegriff acc theohall (3)
theohall wd Unagi (0)
theohall acc Chaosraven (3)
Mr Bubbles acc theohall (4)
Newcastle acc Semaj (1)
Scoop wd Chaosraven (2)
Scoop acc theohall (5)

Votes needed = 5

Against theohall (5): Lassr, Unagi, Grund, Mr Bubbles, Scoop
Against Chaos (2): Chaos, theohall
Against Semaj (1): Newcastle

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:03 am

the site was down... how am I supposed to vote?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:05 am

With Remuscide no longer an option, the residents of Our Village decided to vote on who should be executed as a Murderer. With luck, their target might actually turn out to be guilty and a Werewolf...but really that wasn't necessary. The blood lust of this group was hard to hide.

After Chaos' transparent attempt to be reunited with his long time "friend" by suggesting a mob assisted suicide, the tide quickly turned against theohall. Backed into a logic corner and with no place to run, he resigned himself to the inevitable noting that it stinks to always die so soon in these games. Lassr only nodded knowingly as Scoop lopped off theohall's head with one swing of his bastard sword.

But everyone knows that's not the way you kill someone...not if you want to find out what they were really a Werewolf.

Bummer.

KIDDING!

Theohall was a good guy. Now don't you all feel silly???

Town Residents:
1. Newcastle
2. Unagi
3. Chaosraven
4. Theohall
5. Grundbegriff
6. Lassr
7. Mr Bubbles
8. Scoop20906
9. Semaj
10. Remus West

Boilerplate:

Night has fallen.

Oh Great Wolfy One, who is on the Menu?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:07 am

/sits on the porch
/reaches into his pocket for his whittleing stick
/watches as Scoop places the final vote on theo
/chuckles and says to himself
"there goes scoop again, getting that last vote on someone."

Any last words Theo?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:08 am

Geez. I guess I should have stuck to my guns.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:09 am

Welp - looks like it was a case of a villager not enjoying facing the firing squad. And i have in mind two firm suspects for the morning. Till then my fellow villagers. Sorry theo you got "scooped".

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:13 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Geez. I guess I should have stuck to my guns.

Yes, I blame you...

Well, so it would seem he just really didn't want to die.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:22 am

Semaj wrote:the site was down... how am I supposed to vote?

your next.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:26 am

Yeah, I still say he played that like a wolf.

Sorry theohall.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:27 am

Unagi wrote:
Semaj wrote:the site was down... how am I supposed to vote?
your next.

And by that, I mean.... Your next move is what I am watching !

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:18 pm

Honestly I don't feel too bad. Sucks we missed, but we're not going to hit on every time so now we just have to refocus. I am a likely target I am sure, but stay brave my dear villagers. If I should die I bequeath my inheritance to the first person who can debate existential therapy verse cognitive behavioral therapy in a post industrial society.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue May 05, 2009 2:15 pm

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:36 pm

A lot of interesting things happened on Day One. I'm not surprised we missed (odds are against it) and hopefully there is a lesson to be learned from this. Either way, I'll wait to make my thoughts known until tomorrow.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed May 06, 2009 6:06 am

The townspeople gathered in the square the next morning after a good night's sleep. Surprised everyone slept so well?? Oh sure, everyone was really on edge to start the night - anyone of them could have been the next victim. But shortly after 11pm, the sound of a door splintering followed by a brief scream put them all at ease.

And why shouldn't they be? While Our Village would have another hut on the market in the morning (with all the appropriate disclaimers of course), it wasn't their hut.

A quick headcount told people where to look. As they crowded into yet another foyer, they found nothing but a big pile of bones sitting on the bed. And there, just above the headboard, was a taunt written in blood:

"Tastes like chicken."

Scoop20906 had gone to meet the big Colonel in the sky.

Boilerplate

Town Residents
1. Newcastle
2. Unagi
3. Chaosraven
4. Theohall
5. Grundbegriff
6. Lassr
7. Mr Bubbles
8. Scoop20906
9. Semaj
10. Remus West

Who's the wolf?
Voting majority is 4.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:41 am

Scoop? Wasn't expecting that.

Someone trying to frame Chaos since Scoop was pushing for his lynch?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:45 am

first thing that pops in my head is Grundbegriff is guilty. Simply because if we use Scoops reasoning he was pushing yesterday and kill the one's that helps clear someone, that leaves Chaos again today because now killing Grund does no good since we not longer need to clear Scoop since he's dead. Convenient huh?

just a thought.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:14 am

Lassr wrote:Scoop? Wasn't expecting that.

Someone trying to frame Chaos since Scoop was pushing for his lynch?

We always talk about it, but it's never a frame job.

Lassr wrote:first thing that pops in my head is Grundbegriff is guilty. Simply because if we use Scoops reasoning he was pushing yesterday and kill the one's that helps clear someone, that leaves Chaos again today because now killing Grund does no good since we not longer need to clear Scoop since he's dead. Convenient huh?

just a thought.

Not a bad thought.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:43 am

Good morning. I see OO is alive again.

Which is more than can be said for Scoop.

Lassr wrote:first thing that pops in my head is Grundbegriff is guilty. Simply because if we use Scoops reasoning he was pushing yesterday and kill the one's that helps clear someone, that leaves Chaos again today because now killing Grund does no good since we not longer need to clear Scoop since he's dead. Convenient huh?

just a thought.

That was my thought, too.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:02 am

I was not expecting that at all. In fact I was starting to push in my thinking toward Scoop as being a guilty party.

-Lassr - Good thought.

Can we assume that the She-Wolf is aware of the He-wolf? Wouldn't it have been wiser (from my perspective) to kill off one of the known's (ie bubbles, lassr, or now even me?)? Simply to preserve the Larger pool of no vounchers.

If we do assume that hte She-wolf is aware of the He-wolf, how was that communicated. Either through a wink and a nod in a message (could be anyone then) to naming them as innocent (that would be me then....so from my perspective that's not the case).

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:12 am

Newcastle wrote:I was not expecting that at all. In fact I was starting to push in my thinking toward Scoop as being a guilty party.

-Lassr - Good thought.

Can we assume that the She-Wolf is aware of the He-wolf? Wouldn't it have been wiser (from my perspective) to kill off one of the known's (ie bubbles, lassr, or now even me?)? Simply to preserve the Larger pool of no vounchers.

If we do assume that hte She-wolf is aware of the He-wolf, how was that communicated. Either through a wink and a nod in a message (could be anyone then) to naming them as innocent (that would be me then....so from my perspective that's not the case).

[reagan]There you go again[/reagan]

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:46 am

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:01 pm

ahhhh,, how cute Grund is roleplaying.