WWL: Chapter 1 - Friday [day] - Stessier: the final siesta

[Newcastle]

So, if Newcastle scanned Remus why the hell was he pushing Grund so hard at the start of the day?

First off, why tip off a wolf that you are on to him?
Second - I wanted him to feel safe and secure so i could get as much information from his actions, i wanted to see who he would lead me too. I wasnt sure who his partners were at the begining of the day. I had a few suspects but nothing i was really sure of.
Third - since i suspected grund....i wanted to attack him hard, and i wanted to see how remus would react...would he go after him? would he go after someone else? What would remus do?
Fourth- Even though I suspected GRund, I wanted to gauge other's reactions to him and my accusations
Fifth - Now, since I knew i was comign out, i also wanted to trip up grund, and make him think i was going to reveal him as the other wolf...so i was kind of prepping him... i was really hoping he would claim seer, hence another reason why i didn't bring everything to the forefront when i initially revealed. I wasnt 100% sure he was a wolf, but as i said, i was strongly suspecting him. I wanted him to think that i was going to name him as the wolf.

[Grundbegriff]

When you gonna give us your scans Grund?

After I've fully exploited the informative potential of the scenario I engineered.

[Semaj]

When you gonna give us your scans Grund?

He's not, apparently he doesnt have em ready.

[Newcastle]

When you gonna give us your scans Grund?

After I've fully exploited the informative potential of the scenario I engineered.

in other words...AFTER...i've said everything i've needed to say...so he can construct a valid offense and defense to try to mince my words...

meh so be it...i know the villagers won. i know remus and grund are wolves. and i know my trap worked. So i am happy.

Stessier- ya, you can lynch me...i turn up human...you feel like a fool, you guys proceed to lynch grund and remus...the village still wins.

[Lassr]

When you gonna give us your scans Grund?

He's not, apparently he doesnt have em ready.

Grund, not ready...

I think I know where he's going with this so I'll wait.

[Grundbegriff]

and your bread crumbs are? So you got no bread crumbs? Or do you?

So.... Your search-fu is weak, too!

Oh, wait is the delay so you can rush back through your posts, and try to figure some things out here and there...or was your plan all along to have remus come out as seer late in the game. Was he your Home run pass?

The delay is that I work two jobs, deliver a 3 hours lecture/discussion tonight, and am trying to code a web service on a deadline.

First, you now have all you need to know about why I kept a very low profile on the first round. We have no Guardian.
Second, you need only search through my posts to see my intimations.

Later, I'll do that work. Right now, I'm on another task!

[Newcastle]

Lassr - to add on...the other pressure angle...my other scan had just been night killed....when i was going to reveal remus as a wolf...it was only going to be partial, there was still another wolf lurking out there.

Once i blew my cover i was the seer....all information streams were going to be done for. SO anything i was going to get, and be most informative was going to come prior to me blowing my cover. So i had to do as much as possible to gather as much valuable data as possible.

One wolf is great....having leads to the second wolf is even better.

Though i am absolutely going to be enthralled in what grun's going to do. Should be fascinating how he spins this.

[Lassr]

Stessier- ya, you can lynch me...i turn up human...you feel like a fool, you guys proceed to lynch grund and remus...the village still wins.

see this keeps bothering me, we would not feel like fools. It's the smart move. If you are who you say you are then you should have no problem sacrificing for the village for a victory(sure if this was real life then I could understand not wanting to die).

[Newcastle]

understood the limitations of real life...and grund, between you and me here....thanks for playing this through the end...its actually amusing, and i am happy your still doing your best to worm your way through the terminal hand you guys were dealt. But you and i know both know you are a wolf...and i am the seer

/cheers
/holds up a beer mug

[Remus West]

Stessier- ya, you can lynch me...i turn up human...you feel like a fool, you guys proceed to lynch grund and remus...the village still wins.

Which is exactly why Grundbegriff can not be a wolf. Suppose you were telling the truth and I am a wolf. Why would Grund (as another wolf) come forward to protect me when you have outed me? There would be no way to save me in the long run. Much better to cut and run. Everyone who has played as a bad guy with me should know I very much subscribe to throwing the other guy under the bus when needed and have no problem being the guy thrown under the bus either. So this insanity that Newcastle suggests happened would not be a plan I signed up for.

Now then. Suppose you are telling the truth about me and Grund is a villager. WTF would he counter your claim for? If you were telling the truth then the Wolves would know it and thus he is not creating any confusion for them regarding the Seer's identity.

So, that leaves the fact that you are lying. It was a good effort. Congrats. We were both (or should I say all three since you have a partner) wrong about Lagom.

[stessier]

Stessier- ya, you can lynch me...i turn up human...you feel like a fool, you guys proceed to lynch grund and remus...the village still wins.

see this keeps bothering me, we would not feel like fools. It's the smart move. If you are who you say you are then you should have no problem sacrificing for the village for a victory(sure if this was real life then I could understand not wanting to die).

But what about the 90% thing. He was still in hedging mode - that doesn't bother you?

Grund is dramatic and will get to it in his own time, but that doesn't change the fact that Seer Newcastle has room for a possibly Good Seer Grund.

[Newcastle]

Stessier- ya, you can lynch me...i turn up human...you feel like a fool, you guys proceed to lynch grund and remus...the village still wins.

see this keeps bothering me, we would not feel like fools. It's the smart move. If you are who you say you are then you should have no problem sacrificing for the village for a victory(sure if this was real life then I could understand not wanting to die).

uhm, sacrificing the seer....ok?
i would think that the standard operating procedure would be to toss out the suspect...ie remus....

but if you want to toss me over first...am fine with that...kind of awkward...but it will prove myself, then you guys will have a clear shot, ie nothing blinding you....as long as you take out grund and remus

but it is awkward, throwing out the seer ya know....

so whatever, however...we got the 2 wolves in our sight. I dont mind dying to proove it.

[Lassr]

Now then. Suppose you are telling the truth about me and Grund is a villager. WTF would he counter your claim for? If you were telling the truth then the Wolves would know it and thus he is not creating any confusion for them regarding the Seer's identity.

let's wait and see...

[Newcastle]

Stessier- ya, you can lynch me...i turn up human...you feel like a fool, you guys proceed to lynch grund and remus...the village still wins.

see this keeps bothering me, we would not feel like fools. It's the smart move. If you are who you say you are then you should have no problem sacrificing for the village for a victory(sure if this was real life then I could understand not wanting to die).

But what about the 90% thing. He was still in hedging mode - that doesn't bother you?

Grund is dramatic and will get to it in his own time, but that doesn't change the fact that Seer Newcastle has room for a possibly Good Seer Grund.

i really hope you dont get hung up on that stessier...it was bad choice of words on my part...poor choice of words....please look at the whole body of work...and not get hung up on that...but i guess i can understand it...i've been on your suspect list the whole time...while grund during the game has been "acknowleding" you as most likely human....i understand.

When he said he was a seer...he only said a short statement..nothign buttressing the claim....so was he fully climbing into the ring? And as i said, poor choice of words on my part.

[Lassr]

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But what about the 90% thing. He was still in hedging mode - that doesn't bother you?

Not at the moment.

[tru1cy]

I'm good with testing Remus

[Grundbegriff]

I'm good with testing Remus

Who else is good with testing Remus?

[stessier]

Stessier- ya, you can lynch me...i turn up human...you feel like a fool, you guys proceed to lynch grund and remus...the village still wins.

see this keeps bothering me, we would not feel like fools. It's the smart move. If you are who you say you are then you should have no problem sacrificing for the village for a victory(sure if this was real life then I could understand not wanting to die).

But what about the 90% thing. He was still in hedging mode - that doesn't bother you?

Grund is dramatic and will get to it in his own time, but that doesn't change the fact that Seer Newcastle has room for a possibly Good Seer Grund.

i really hope you dont get hung up on that stessier...it was bad choice of words on my part...poor choice of words....please look at the whole body of work...and not get hung up on that...but i guess i can understand it...i've been on your suspect list the whole time...while grund during the game has been "acknowleding" you as most likely human....i understand.

When he said he was a seer...he only said a short statement..nothign buttressing the claim....so was he fully climbing into the ring? And as i said, poor choice of words on my part.

You misremember. I was the one saying that both you and Grund were making mountains our of mole hills. You were both on my Good List. I was hot for {tru1cy, Remus, Semaj}.

On the plus side, if you really are telling the truth, at least I had 1 right.

[Newcastle]

I'm good with testing Remus

Who else is good with testing Remus?

ME!!!

[Newcastle]

/goes off to pop some popcorn

IF anything this is going to be fascinating to watch to see how Grund spins this.

[Grundbegriff]

I'm good with testing Remus

Who else is good with testing Remus?

ME!!!

Really!

Let's take that as given. Who else sees the logic in executing Remus?

[Newcastle]

uhm grund, are you going to point to the "aura of humanity" around remus as pointing toward you being seer?

Would be fascinating if you did?

is that a breadcrumb?

[Newcastle]

Based on the evidence of votes and post counts, I'd have to say that Lassr's not looking too human right now. tru1cy's questionable, too.
Semaj looks off, but Semaj always looks off.

Remus gives an aura of humanitude. So does stessier, though I'm less sure of these two as positive than I am of L and t as negative.

On the whole, I worry most about Lassr.

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this guys right here? would be neat if you did...because, you kind of insinuate two scans there..only problemo...uhm, thats like on day 2, and you know...uhm, the seer could only have sccanned 1 person then..i should know. i am the seer!

[Lassr]

I'm good with testing Remus

Who else is good with testing Remus?

ME!!!

Really!

Let's take that as given. Who else sees the logic in executing Remus?

Actually, I agree if we have one seer and a suspect. Lynch suspect, then seer if the need arises. With you claiming seer it could throw a wrench in it.
So, no Newcastle I did not want to lynch you first. Just wanted to see some reactions.

[Grundbegriff]

/does the happy dance

we got our two wolves...villagers won! villagers won!

you know we must test you to be sure though. If you are a villager then we win by killing grund and remus the next 2 days.

So you're saying, Lassr, that this was a probe and not a serious agenda for evaluating Newc's claim?

[stessier]

I'm good with testing Remus

Who else is good with testing Remus?

Interesting. It doesn't matter if we test Newcastle or Remus. We get the same answer either way.

Newcastle as human gives us Remus and Grund. Newcastle as Wolf means we are looking for a partner.

Remus as human gives us Newcastle and we are looking for a partner. Remus as wolf means Grund/Newcastle is unresolved but lynching both would clear that up. And that's only assuming the last wolf doesn't take out the real Seer for us.

We have enough lynches either way. Newcastle is the more diagnostic test, but Remus will do.

[Lassr]

/does the happy dance

we got our two wolves...villagers won! villagers won!

you know we must test you to be sure though. If you are a villager then we win by killing grund and remus the next 2 days.

So you're saying, Lassr, that this was a probe and not a serious agenda for evaluating Newc's claim?

With you claiming seer it could throw a wrench in it.

It was a probe but could be an option according to how this plays out.

[Remus West]

I'm good with testing Remus

Who else is good with testing Remus?

I find myself ambivilent regarding it. Not going to self vote as that would be a waste but at least my death catches a wolf.

[Grundbegriff]

/does the happy dance

we got our two wolves...villagers won! villagers won!

you know we must test you to be sure though. If you are a villager then we win by killing grund and remus the next 2 days.

So you're saying, Lassr, that this was a probe and not a serious agenda for evaluating Newc's claim?

Newcastle: Isn't it interesting that his thought here was

(a) kill you first, and if that fails
(b) kill me second, and if that fails
(c) finally get around to killing the one you claim to have scanned.

Doesn't that look, on the face of it, like an attempt to "test" you in the way most likely to keep Remus alive down to the wire (and himself as manager of the test)?

Why would Lassr have been gathering reactions at the point when he said that? It doesn't make sense.

So here's the deal, Newcastle. I know you're hung up on your intuition that i'm a Wolf, but I'm not. So I want you to step back and think carefully about the situation, and then join me (and tru1cy) in killing  Remus West 
 


and if he turns up a furball, as you say, then we should kill Lassr next. Can you see it?

[Grundbegriff]

I'm good with testing Remus

Who else is good with testing Remus?

Interesting. It doesn't matter if we test Newcastle or Remus. We get the same answer either way.

Not quite.

We have enough lynches either way. Newcastle is the more diagnostic test, but Remus will do.

No, Remus is definitely the more diagnostic test. After all, I'm merely a simple Villager claiming to be Seer in order to stir up enough discussion to gain traction on identities and relationships. But there's a decent chance that Newcastle's the real Seer. We should (a) test him by killing his wolf, and (b) force them to kill him at night if he's real. Why do it for them?

[Lassr]

/does the happy dance

we got our two wolves...villagers won! villagers won!

you know we must test you to be sure though. If you are a villager then we win by killing grund and remus the next 2 days.

So you're saying, Lassr, that this was a probe and not a serious agenda for evaluating Newc's claim?

Newcastle: Isn't it interesting that his thought here was

(a) kill you first, and if that fails
(b) kill me second, and if that fails
(c) finally get around to killing the one you claim to have scanned.

Doesn't that look, on the face of it, like an attempt to "test" you in the way most likely to keep Remus alive down to the wire (and himself as manager of the test)?

Why would Lassr have been gathering reactions at the point when he said that? It doesn't make sense.

So here's the deal, Newcastle. I know you're hung up on your intuition that i'm a Wolf, but I'm not. So I want you to step back and think carefully about the situation, and then join me (and tru1cy) in killing  Remus West 
 


and if he turns up a furball, as you say, then we should kill Lassr next. Can you see it?

wrong.

I suspected all along that you were not actually the seer and were testing Newcastle to see if he was telling the truth. If you continued to cling to the seer role and then provided scans then I could see testing Newcastle. If he was a villager then we lynch Remus then you or vice versa.

 Remus West 
 

[Newcastle]

/looks over at grund
/whips out a measuring tape
/measures neck size
/looks at rope and carefully measures out the neck size.

"Meh, i think we should test you first before anyone else. After remus of course."

But I am dead tonight....hmm trying to think if i've got anything else to offer before I die tonight.

Any questions or anything for me folks? I've tried to do as much a brain dump as possible. I am kibble tonight.

[Grundbegriff]

It's funny-- when stessier is good, he's also merry. When he's evil, he grows dour and serious and vaguely bitter.

Has anyone else noticed that?

[Lassr]

Now that you admit that you are a villager then it just means that this could have been a ploy just to make you look good after we lynch Remus.

[Grundbegriff]

Now that you admit that you are a villager then it just means that this could have been a ploy just to make you look good after we lynch Remus.

Eh? Not following.

[Newcastle]

i am happy to vote for remus, but as soon as i do, i know i am dead tonight and my participation will be over..... So...anything?

Be careful about grund's silver tongue....seriously, look how he tried to counter claim me.

Then also, if you need anything more...look at remus post, i linked it in an earlier post....showing his suspects.

Then also look how they interacted all day. You can do it! Bring this home for the villagers.

And i fully intend on scanning grund tonight. But that's neither here nor there, since well, i am kibble.

[Grundbegriff]

Now that you admit that you are a villager then it just means that this could have been a ploy just to make you look good after we lynch Remus.

Eh? Not following.

Nevermind-- I get it. You mean that if I were a wolf, I might've wanted to squeeze in a play that was objectively good for the Village to improve my cromagnon-cred.

I'll agree only to this extent: what I did was objectively good for the Village.

[tru1cy]

 Remus West 
 


Time to get this show moving

[stessier]

After all, I'm merely a simple Villager claiming to be Seer

I saw that line coming when you said you engineered the situation. I never would have guessed you were Scoop's alt. Here's the thing, what do we do with you tomorrow? How did this help us that couldn't have been accomplished simply by using your usual interrogative powers?

 Remus West 
 


That and I hate being jerked around for what seems like your amusement.

[Grundbegriff]

And i fully intend on scanning grund tonight. But that's neither here nor there, since well, i am kibble.

If you're that thick, then you deserve to die by night rather than stay in the game. I will die either tonight by slaughter or tomorrow by execution because of the timeline. Either way, Kraegor will provide the scan and it'll show that I'm human.

Meanwhile, you could climb out of your mental cage and actually scan someone not likely to die in one of the next two rounds.

That is the info we'll need in the endgame.