The Dark Knight - Fade to Black

[Scoop20906]

Why Remus? I have no issue of voting of Remus, but I would like to know why?

I got a vibe that Remus's discussion with me and Isgrimnur regarding players staying silent to survive instead of posting their thoughts felt "forced" to me like he was making a big effort to show he was good/not evil. Its a hunch but on Day One what else do you have? Its up to you if you think thats better than random.org.

I think you should switch your vote to Remus West.

This is what you base your big hunch on? That I'm "forced" stating a position I have always held? Silents suck. People trying to live rather than win for their side. Neither of those ideas are new or unique to this game. They are long held positions by me. If I didn't feel like you were totally manufacturing your aim at me before you cemented the idea now. Have you ever had a hunch that was correct?

Yeah, it must suck getting nabbed on something like that, huh?

[Remus West]

Have you ever had a hunch that was correct?

Yeah, it must suck getting nabbed on something like that, huh?

I wouldn't know and won't can't out this game. Sorry to disappoint.

[Remus West]

Have you ever had a hunch that was correct?

Yeah, it must suck getting nabbed on something like that, huh?

I wouldn't know and won't can't out this game. Sorry to disappoint.

That was mean to read "won't/can't find out". Stupid LordMortis syndrome.

[Brendan]

Mind if I reverse this on you? I've been pretty clear about why I think Brendan's reasoning was fabricated.

Uh huh - your reasoning regarding my reasoning was, in effect, that you don't believe me when I say that I'm not inclined to feel suspiciously towards you. That isn't, I hope you realize, a conclusion based on any "evidence."

[Remus West]

Mind if I reverse this on you? I've been pretty clear about why I think Brendan's reasoning was fabricated.

Uh huh - your reasoning regarding my reasoning was, in effect, that you don't believe me when I say that I'm not inclined to feel suspiciously towards you. That isn't, I hope you realize, a conclusion based on any "evidence."

 Unagi 
 

[Unagi]

Wow, interesting post, Unagi.

Was it? Thanks. I never get full credit for all the interesting posts I make around here.

First, I haven't requested you to change your vote, Unagi. Lets be clear about that. You seemed pretty confident about Brendan so no point in trying to bring you to my vote.

I'm sure you can see why I was under the perception that you were:

Since you seem to be online at the moment, how do you feel about switching your vote to Remus West? Your opinion?

Second, as I said before, the reasons either of you voted for each other seemed pretty innocuous to me and not enough to warrant a vote.

Pretty innocuous reasons... gotcha. Sadly, on the scale of innocuous reasons - I put the ones I have regarding Brendan ever-so-slighty more noculous then the reasons you (and I) may have to vote for Remus.
So there.

Third, nice to see you got the same vibe I did from Remus however I'm not sure why you are just bringing this up now and not before.

I did. Yesterday.

My top 3 are:

Isgrimnur
Chaosraven
Remus West

right now.

And I'd be more than happy to vote off Grund for no reason what so ever - just to return the favor.

Fourth, I made it clear and you even seemed to acknowledge it. I'm saving my vote for the 7th kill vote on Remus. Its clear I have intangible but very real vote on Remus right now.

Oh, but what if the only way I will vote for Remus today, is if I can cast the final vote? You are being selfish.

Fifth, thanks so much for the offer but I will stick with my bandwagon for Remus. If Remus turns up wolf as I suspect and you vote for me tomorrow, I promise to vote for you tomorrow too.

If Remus turns out wolf today, I'm sure I'd be much higher on everyone's radar than you.
My point was - if Brendan turns out Wolf - your mad push on Remus for "day 1 reasons", and brush-off of my equally "day 1 reasons" against Brendan isn't gonna look good - to me.

[Unagi]

Mind if I reverse this on you? I've been pretty clear about why I think Brendan's reasoning was fabricated.

Uh huh - your reasoning regarding my reasoning was, in effect, that you don't believe me when I say that I'm not inclined to feel suspiciously towards you. That isn't, I hope you realize, a conclusion based on any "evidence."

It was based on evidence though.

to a degree.

I showed that you actually tried to have me Killed (INFECTED) (but ended up converting me) - you do that to someone that you don't want around, not around and working against you... I (would like to) think you Infected me in that game in part because of the next point:
I showed that you felt that I was dangerous to keep around as a bad-guy (BSG game).
I showed that you "made it up" that we have teamed a number of times.

Beyond a reasonable doubt - I believe I have shown that you are indeed LIKELY to find me suspicious. Yet you felt the need to say your VOTE FOR ME was because you DIDN'T.

Then you decided that my reaction only made you feel better about your vote - and then randomly, you just pulled it aside and started to bark at the Grundbegriff in the tree.

[Unagi]

Mind if I reverse this on you? I've been pretty clear about why I think Brendan's reasoning was fabricated.

Uh huh - your reasoning regarding my reasoning was, in effect, that you don't believe me when I say that I'm not inclined to feel suspiciously towards you. That isn't, I hope you realize, a conclusion based on any "evidence."

 Unagi 
 

Does that quote actually have a connection to why you are voting for me, Remus?

[Brendan]

I believe I have shown that you are indeed LIKELY to find me suspicious. Yet you felt the need to say your VOTE FOR ME was because you DIDN'T.

Uh, no - you've shown that, had you had my experiences, you would have found you suspicious. I, evidently, don't share your particular biases, and can assure you that I don't, as general principle, find you suspicious.

Until now!

[Remus West]

Mind if I reverse this on you? I've been pretty clear about why I think Brendan's reasoning was fabricated.

Uh huh - your reasoning regarding my reasoning was, in effect, that you don't believe me when I say that I'm not inclined to feel suspiciously towards you. That isn't, I hope you realize, a conclusion based on any "evidence."

 Unagi 
 

Does that quote actually have a connection to why you are voting for me, Remus?

Showing him how as he seems to have forgotten.

[Chaosraven]

Careful unagi doesn't pop a cap in yer ass. What's with scoops list? Has he forgotten how many players are left?

[Scoop20906]

First, I haven't requested you to change your vote, Unagi. Lets be clear about that. You seemed pretty confident about Brendan so no point in trying to bring you to my vote.

I'm sure you can see why I was under the perception that you were:

Since you seem to be online at the moment, how do you feel about switching your vote to Remus West? Your opinion?

Ahhh. Guess I did. Work was reallllll boring today.

Second, as I said before, the reasons either of you voted for each other seemed pretty innocuous to me and not enough to warrant a vote.

Pretty innocuous reasons... gotcha. Sadly, on the scale of innocuous reasons - I put the ones I have regarding Brendan ever-so-slighty more noculous then the reasons you (and I) may have to vote for Remus.
So there.

I really think both your and Brendan's points are nothing. I still think so. I will continue to think so.

[Scoop20906]

Careful unagi doesn't pop a cap in yer ass. What's with scoops list? Has he forgotten how many players are left?

Only talking to the players I think will listen.

[Scoop20906]

Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Voted for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Thinks Remus is good
theohall: ?
Bubbles: ?
tru1cy: Okay ith the idea of voting Remus but would like evidence
Semaj: Thinks Isgrimnur is evil and one of Unagi/Brendan duo.
Unagi: Locked in on Brendan for some odd reason.

[Chaosraven]

I'm ok with voting for remus.

[Brendan]

I'm agnostic about voting for Remus. I'm always suspicious of him though, so I'm weighing that against my potential vote!

[Grundbegriff]

The point is not to live. The point is to win. You win by getting rid of the other team pure and simple. If you death makes us aware of an evil player than you have made a good play. If you out more than one you have made a spectacular play. If your death simply serves to limit the field and make it easier for us to find them it is still a good play.

I agree with this. A few games ago-- can't remember which-- I was a good guy among the final five and recognized that it was important for my team to kill me on the penultimate day so that I wouldn't be one of the goods in a good-good-evil triangle on the final day. So I proposed killing me as the best move, and that turned out to be correct.

Isgrimnur's attitude, like Kelric's, isn't team-spirited. Yes, it's nice to survive and win. But the key ingredient there is "win".

[Mr Bubbles]

Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Voted for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Thinks Remus is good
theohall: ?
Bubbles: ?
tru1cy: Okay ith the idea of voting Remus but would like evidence
Semaj: Thinks Isgrimnur is evil and one of Unagi/Brendan duo.
Unagi: Locked in on Brendan for some odd reason.

Haven't had a single moment to look at anything today. Will sit down and give it a thought. I honestly though to this point haven't gotten any weird vibes, but then again the times I haven't gotten vibes I've also been killed by him, so he's never on my good list... More like a potentially naughty boy ever single time.

[Scoop20906]

Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Voted for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Thinks Remus is good
theohall: ?
Bubbles: Needs to think about
tru1cy: Okay ith the idea of voting Remus but would like evidence
Semaj: Thinks Isgrimnur is evil and one of Unagi/Brendan duo.
Unagi: Locked in on Brendan for some odd reason.
Brendan: Considering voting for Remus but got no evil vibe from him.
Chaosraven: Says he would vote for Remus but hasn't yet.
Grundbegriff: No vote and only discussing rulez and team spirit concepts.

[Scoop20906]

The point is not to live. The point is to win. You win by getting rid of the other team pure and simple. If you death makes us aware of an evil player than you have made a good play. If you out more than one you have made a spectacular play. If your death simply serves to limit the field and make it easier for us to find them it is still a good play.

I agree with this. A few games ago-- can't remember which-- I was a good guy among the final five and recognized that it was important for my team to kill me on the penultimate day so that I wouldn't be one of the goods in a good-good-evil triangle on the final day. So I proposed killing me as the best move, and that turned out to be correct.

Isgrimnur's attitude, like Kelric's, isn't team-spirited. Yes, it's nice to survive and win. But the key ingredient there is "win".

Grund, I agree with Remus too. I was simply pointing out to him (and now you I guess) that not everyone plays the way we want them to and has other motivations. If we all behaved rationale everyone would have voted for Remus by now.

[Scoop20906]

Well, since Unagi thinks I'm selfish (or whatever that means) and since I'm headed to PAX and will be posting minimally quite soon I will get my vote for Remus on the books.

 Remus West 
 

[Grundbegriff]

I've finally had a chance to read the entire thread.

It has been a while since I've shared a suspicion matrix in these games, so I'll jump right out of the gate with one.

I have forced myself to assign every player to a role. In some cases, these are strong suspicions; in others, they're swags.

Code: Select all

Batman    Brendan or Unagi
Rachel    Lassr
Alfred    theohall
Gordon    Newcastle
Lucius    Mr Bubbles
Dent      Scoop or Unagi
Joker     Scoop or Brendan
Sniper    Isgrimnur
Ramirez   tru1cy
Citizen01 Grundbegriff
Citizen02 Chaosraven
Citizen03 Remus West
Citizen04 Lagom Lite
Citizen05 Semaj

I, too, don't want to discourage tru1cy's more active participation. On the other hand, I can envision an evil team on which tru1cy and his partners decide that he should be more visible precisely because it will attract attention and lead people to the conclusion that it must be innocent.

 tru1cy 
 


I'm willing to vote against any of {Scoop | Brendan | Isgrimnur | tru1cy}. What say ye?

[Lassr]

I'm willing to vote against any of {Scoop | Brendan | Isgrimnur | tru1cy}. What say ye?

I left Isgrimnur off the top of my bad guy list because of this statement shortly after we got our roles.

So are we starting in the day or night cycle?

could be a trick but if he was bad or special then he should know....I would think.

I was leaning tru1cy earlier but everyone is so focused on Remus. I could easily vote for 3 of the 4 on your list.

and, uh, dude why you be painting targets all over the specials heads? <i.e. the list>

[Grundbegriff]

and, uh, dude why you be painting targets all over the specials heads? <i.e. the list>

Did I?

That's up to the curious to figure out.

[Scoop20906]

I've finally had a chance to read the entire thread.

It has been a while since I've shared a suspicion matrix in these games, so I'll jump right out of the gate with one.

I have forced myself to assign every player to a role. In some cases, these are strong suspicions; in others, they're swags.

Code: Select all

Batman    Brendan or Unagi
Rachel    Lassr
Alfred    theohall
Gordon    Newcastle
Lucius    Mr Bubbles
Dent      Scoop or Unagi
Joker     Scoop or Brendan
Sniper    Isgrimnur
Ramirez   tru1cy
Citizen01 Grundbegriff
Citizen02 Chaosraven
Citizen03 Remus West
Citizen04 Lagom Lite
Citizen05 Semaj

Last time I did something like that I got shot.

[theohall]

Just finished the 2nd of consecutive 12 hour work days and now this suddenly long thread. I'm not joining the Remus West bandwagon.

However, I'm not sure what to think of Chaosraven currently or Grundbegriff and his edits.

Since the Mr Bubbles vote was a stab in the dark which clearly hasn't gone anywhere -

 withdraw Mr Bubbles 
 


Let's see where a Chaosraven bandwagon goes. Note: I am not actively campaigning for a Chaosraven bandwagon. Everyone is free to vote or comment as they choose - unlike Scoop's active campaigning - which might make me switch to him.

 Chaosraven 
 

[Scoop20906]

Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Voted for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Thinks Remus is good
theohall: Voted Chaosraven and is considering voting for scoop20906
Bubbles: Needs to think about
tru1cy: Okay with the idea of voting Remus but would like evidence
Semaj: Thinks Isgrimnur is evil and one of Unagi/Brendan duo.
Unagi: Locked in on Brendan for some odd reason.
Brendan: Considering voting for Remus but got no evil vibe from him.
Chaosraven: Says he would vote for Remus but hasn't yet.
Grundbegriff: No vote and only discussing rulez and team spirit concepts.

[Scoop20906]

Status of Remus West Bandwagon:

Isgrimnur: Voted for Scoop20906.
Lassr: Thinks Remus is good
theohall: Voted Chaosraven and is considering voting for scoop20906
Bubbles: Needs to think about
tru1cy: Okay with the idea of voting Remus but would like evidence
Semaj: Thinks Isgrimnur is evil and one of Unagi/Brendan duo.
Unagi: Locked in on Brendan for some odd reason.
Brendan: Considering voting for Remus but got no evil vibe from him.
Chaosraven: Says he would vote for Remus but hasn't yet.
Grundbegriff: Voted tru1cy.

Missed an update on Grund.

[Chaosraven]

Not a bad guy, but better me than someone important.

[Lassr]

I've finally had a chance to read the entire thread.

It has been a while since I've shared a suspicion matrix in these games, so I'll jump right out of the gate with one.

I have forced myself to assign every player to a role. In some cases, these are strong suspicions; in others, they're swags.

Code: Select all

Batman    Brendan or Unagi
Rachel    Lassr
Alfred    theohall
Gordon    Newcastle
Lucius    Mr Bubbles
Dent      Scoop or Unagi
Joker     Scoop or Brendan
Sniper    Isgrimnur
Ramirez   tru1cy
Citizen01 Grundbegriff
Citizen02 Chaosraven
Citizen03 Remus West
Citizen04 Lagom Lite
Citizen05 Semaj

Last time I did something like that I got shot.

Yes, but I know why Grund did it, sometimes we have no clue why you do stuff.

[Remus West]

I'm not joining the Remus West bandwagon.

I refuse to accept the "bandwagon" terminology while it remains a single person. It is more a delirium based crusade.

Well, lets see where I stand with Grund's list then. I don't agree with him regarding tru1cy's malleability due to peer pressure so I'm not joining his vote. I would throw my voice in with Unagi to see what Brendan is made of but have no desire to see him end up on the Bats side of Grund's matrix and outed day 1. That leaves Scoop and Isgrimnur. I don't really agree with Lassr giving Isgrimnur a pass based on the day/night thing but neither do I really see much threat in him. I don't think Scoop goes so insane for me as an evil player or I would have already started trying to get him lynched. He has, at the very least, likely bought himself a barrage of scans tonight so that should take care of itself as none of the good guys really has motivation to stay hidden if they hit their scan target. So...I find myself not agreeing with any of his suspects.

For some reason I feel best about my
 Semaj 
 

vote.

[Scoop20906]

I'm not joining the Remus West bandwagon.

I refuse to accept the "bandwagon" terminology while it remains a single person. It is more a delirium based crusade.

Well, lets see where I stand with Grund's list then. I don't agree with him regarding tru1cy's malleability due to peer pressure so I'm not joining his vote. I would throw my voice in with Unagi to see what Brendan is made of but have no desire to see him end up on the Bats side of Grund's matrix and outed day 1. That leaves Scoop and Isgrimnur. I don't really agree with Lassr giving Isgrimnur a pass based on the day/night thing but neither do I really see much threat in him. I don't think Scoop goes so insane for me as an evil player or I would have already started trying to get him lynched. He has, at the very least, likely bought himself a barrage of scans tonight so that should take care of itself as none of the good guys really has motivation to stay hidden if they hit their scan target. So...I find myself not agreeing with any of his suspects.

For some reason I feel best about my
 Semaj 
 

vote.

And your only rationale for Semaj is it will be funny to cause it will piss him off (it would be I admit). Not much difference between our votes, is there?

[Remus West]

I'm not joining the Remus West bandwagon.

I refuse to accept the "bandwagon" terminology while it remains a single person. It is more a delirium based crusade.

Well, lets see where I stand with Grund's list then. I don't agree with him regarding tru1cy's malleability due to peer pressure so I'm not joining his vote. I would throw my voice in with Unagi to see what Brendan is made of but have no desire to see him end up on the Bats side of Grund's matrix and outed day 1. That leaves Scoop and Isgrimnur. I don't really agree with Lassr giving Isgrimnur a pass based on the day/night thing but neither do I really see much threat in him. I don't think Scoop goes so insane for me as an evil player or I would have already started trying to get him lynched. He has, at the very least, likely bought himself a barrage of scans tonight so that should take care of itself as none of the good guys really has motivation to stay hidden if they hit their scan target. So...I find myself not agreeing with any of his suspects.

For some reason I feel best about my
 Semaj 
 

vote.

And your only rationale for Semaj is it will be funny to cause it will piss him off (it would be I admit). Not much difference between our votes, is there?

No, my rationale for voting Semaj (admittedly is very weak but...) is his reaction to the whole situation. It being funny because it will piss him off is just the cherry on top. Although, I agree with you that there is not a lot of difference in our votes other than I know yours is wrong.

[Brendan]

I have forced myself to assign every player to a role. In some cases, these are strong suspicions; in others, they're swags.

Code: Select all

Batman    Brendan or Unagi
Rachel    Lassr
Alfred    theohall
Gordon    Newcastle
Lucius    Mr Bubbles
Dent      Scoop or Unagi
Joker     Scoop or Brendan
Sniper    Isgrimnur
Ramirez   tru1cy
Citizen01 Grundbegriff
Citizen02 Chaosraven
Citizen03 Remus West
Citizen04 Lagom Lite
Citizen05 Semaj

You've made an assumption here that you haven't explicitly addressed - one that could certainly affect a player's behavior.

[Isgrimnur]

Hurting my own cause, I asked for the starting cycle before all the roles were picked up, meaning that the first boilerplate hadn't been posted yet to state which cycle we were starting in.

Again, I want to win as much as anyone, I just rather prefer to be alive to join the afterparty.

[Lassr]

Hurting my own cause, I asked for the starting cycle before all the roles were picked up, meaning that the first boilerplate hadn't been posted yet to state which cycle we were starting in.

Again, I want to win as much as anyone, I just rather prefer to be alive to join the afterparty.

ah, so you hadn't gotten the PM yet....noted.

[Lagom Lite]

Yes - join the tru1cy campaign! Now with Grundbegriff (tm) approval.

Spoiler:

No more dull nights! 110% more Laughter with this one! Join today! You may already have bought it!

[stessier]

Vote Count - Act 1

• Scoop acc tru1cy (1)
  Lagom acc Chaos (1)
  Remus acc Semaj (1)
  theohall acc Mr Bubbles (1)
  Semaj acc Remus (1)
  Lassr acc Brendan (1)
  Lagom wd Chaos (0)
  Scoop wd tru1cy (0)
  Scoop acc Remus (2)
• Bubbles acc Chaos (1)
• tru1cy acc Unagi (1)
  Semaj wd Remus (1)
• Semaj acc Isgrimnur (1)
  Brendan acc Unagi (2)
• Unagi acc Brendan (2)
  Isgrimnur acc Grund (1)
• Lagom acc tru1cy (1)
• Chaos acc Brendan (3)
  Brendan wd Unagi (1)
• Brendan acc Grund (2)
  Scoop wd Remus (0)
  Isgrimnur wd Grund (1)
• Isgrimnur acc Scoop (1)
  Lassr wd Brendan (2)
• Lassr acc Semaj (2)
  Remus wd Semaj (1)
  Remus acc Unagi (2)
• Scoop acc Remus (1)
• Grund acc tru1cy (2)
  theohall wd Bubbles (0)
• theohall acc Chaos (2)
  Remus wd Unagi (1)
• Remus acc Semaj (2)

Mob rule occurs at 7 votes.

Against Semaj (2): Lassr, Remus
Against Brendan (2): Unagi, Chaosraven
Against Chaosraven (2): Bubbles, theohall
Against Unagi (1): tru1cy
Against Isgrimnur (1): Semaj
Against Grund (1): Brendan
Against tru1cy (2): Lagom, Grund
Against Scoop (1): Isgrimnur
Against Remus (1): Scoop

No votes:

[tru1cy]

 tru1cy 
 


Hell, I'm all for team spirit. If my elimination and semi-active participation is a distraction than I'm all for culling me from the field

[Lagom Lite]

 tru1cy 
 


Hell, I'm all for team spirit. If my elimination and semi-active participation is a distraction than I'm all for culling me from the field

Way to reinforce my suspicions of you. Voting for yourself and sulking isn't exactly "team spirit".