Bond II - The Prometheus Dawn - END!

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:50 pm

Unagi wrote:
tru1cy wrote: Unagi

Is there some reason why you feel the need to defend Scoop and Theohall?
Yeah.
They post.

Your point?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:13 pm

Votes

Truicy (3)- Remus West, Unagi, stessier,
Scoop (2) - MSteelers, RMC,
ChaosRaven (1)- Rshetts2,
Theohall (1) - Grundbegriff,
Grundbegriff (1)- Theohall,
Unagi (1)- Truicy,
Qantaga (1)- Scoop,
-

Majority is 7

No votes cast: Qantaga, Chaosraven, Lassr,

If i missed something let me know

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:21 pm

tru1cy wrote:Your point?

Unagi wrote:I advise we pick a player that will remain in the shadows for the remainder of the game.

You hardly post at all. Your cards will be close to your chest the entire game.

They tend to post a lot. They may show their hand.

Why should we blindly vote off a player that will perhaps post themselves into trouble? (or, better, out of trouble)

Why is Grund, of all people, prepared to remove Theohall, of all people. I've got Grund on my 'trouble' list for that.

Back to 'my point'.

We should we lynch a person that enjoys to not post. The reasons are clear.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:36 pm

Unagi wrote: Why is Grund, of all people, prepared to remove Theohall, of all people. I've got Grund on my 'trouble' list for that.

Probably because I was picking on him before he actually posted in the thread by naming him as my option 2 suspect, since Day One is a crap shoot anyway.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:51 pm

Unagi wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Your point?

Unagi wrote:I advise we pick a player that will remain in the shadows for the remainder of the game.
You hardly post at all. Your cards will be close to your chest the entire game.

They tend to post a lot. They may show their hand.

Why should we blindly vote off a player that will perhaps post themselves into trouble? (or, better, out of trouble)

Why is Grund, of all people, prepared to remove Theohall, of all people. I've got Grund on my 'trouble' list for that.

Back to 'my point'.

We should we lynch a person that enjoys to not post. The reasons are clear.

So we are meta-gaming? I thought that was a faux pas?

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:59 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: Qantaga

He's due.

You know, it's funny, I hadn't thought about this until you posted it.

I have not been a "bad guy" in any OO game so far. In 8 GT games, I have only been a wolf once. I suppose that I am just naturally "good."

As for this game, the trend continues, I am as pure as the driven snow in service to Her Majesty.

As for my vote, the forces of evil would know me to be innocent, thus it is likely that

Scoop

is evil!

(A rather blatant Triggercut-ism on my part).

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:04 pm

tru1cy wrote:So we are meta-gaming?

How is it meta gaming to say it is extremely unlikely you will post enough for us to get a read on you. Thus, it is better to test you today so we will have a brighter tomorrow?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:08 pm

tru1cy wrote:So we are meta-gaming? I thought that was a faux pas?

That's not meta-gaming.

Meta-gaming is when you look beyond the game itself to invoke a reason that someone is guilty or innocent.

For instance: If there was a player known to have no internet access while a Kill Order was sent.
Or, using the exact text a moderator sent to the Villagers to prove you are a Villager.

That's meta-gaming.

What I am doing is forecasting a game-style of yours based off a long history of game-style examples you've given us. I'm saying that it's a game-style that you are likely to run with for this game too. I'm saying it's a game-style that will not serve us in the long run, and we may as well trim off a player that has established that game-style.

You seem to think that we are not allowed to consider how players tend to play these games when we consider who we should lynch and who we should 'keep alive'. I don't think that is at all realistic, nor even remotely close to how anyone plays, and hence - it's not even remotely "a faux pas" as you put it.

Grund has a typical shelf-life of 3 nights.... Is that meta-gaming, Tru1cy?

Stessier has a little payback coming to him from Newcastle and triggercut for killing them that one game.... Is that meta-gaming, Tru1cy?

No, it's just playing.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:09 pm

stessier wrote:
tru1cy wrote:So we are meta-gaming?
How is it meta gaming to say it is extremely unlikely you will post enough for us to get a read on you. Thus, it is better to test you today so we will have a brighter tomorrow?

Again, using previous game behavior isn't meta-gaming? I don't care....just vote me off

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:13 pm

Unagi wrote:Grund has a typical shelf-life of 3 nights

This has repeatedly proven itself a myth.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:17 pm

tru1cy wrote:Again, using previous game behavior isn't meta-gaming?

No. It's not.

Isn't, "he's acting different than normal" , one of the most fundamental accusations in these games.

And isn't the whole, "ooohhh..... New Player", an exclamation that we will have no 'previous game behavior' to use on this one, and hence - we all use 'previous game behavior'.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:18 pm

Btw, I'm just a normal agent, so voting me off won't hurt Control

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:22 pm

Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:Grund has a typical shelf-life of 3 nights
This has repeatedly proven itself a myth.

Myth or not, it's something people constantly say and discuss and use as a fulcrum in discussions about Grund.

End-point being, discussion of previous game's play-style, history, anything - is Not Meta-Gaming.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:24 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:Grund has a typical shelf-life of 3 nights
This has repeatedly proven itself a myth.
Myth or not, it's something people constantly say and discuss and use as a fulcrum in discussions about Grund.

End-point being, discussion of previous game's play-style, history, anything - is Not Meta-Gaming.

I don't think he was saying it was meta gaming. Rather, that Grund living 3 nights only is a myth. And I have to agree - it's burned me as a Villager at least three times that I can think of off the top of my head.

And is it wrong that I am thinking of changing my vote to you based solely on your perceived excessive use of italics???

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:29 pm

He's trying to prove a point

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:33 pm

stessier wrote:And is it wrong that I am thinking of changing my vote to you based solely on your perceived excessive use of italics???

I'd have to say no, it is not wrong. He should not be using italics so frivolously.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:37 pm

WHAT ABOUT CAPS?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:37 pm

sorry

I thought it helped make that sentence more readable. (look man, It's Either Extra Capital Letters, too many commas, or italics, but I just gotta break up the flow... and control the way my words are read! ya dig?)

My comment on Grund's shelf-life (and what I was try to explain in my reply to Remus) that it was just an example of 'previous game' stuff that's always tossed about. I agree that the statement itself is way more myth than reality.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:39 pm

I could just 'quote things' needlessly... or put little ellipsis all over the place...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:52 pm

Code: Select all

You should really put everything in code.  That way, the single space after the period could get annoyed as well.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:07 pm

I'm a double-spacer.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:28 pm

Unagi wrote:I'm a double-spacer.

Hence the "annoy the single space crowd" part.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:44 pm

stessier wrote:
Unagi wrote:I'm a double-spacer.
Hence the "annoy the single space crowd" part.

I'm sorry... Are you actually quoting words you actually never typed?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:45 pm

Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:
Unagi wrote:I'm a double-spacer.
Hence the "annoy the single space crowd" part.
I'm sorry... Are you actually quoting words you actually never typed?

Apparently yes. The problem with working and gaming. In this post is what I was thinking. In the other post, is a poorly framed thought. Notice the worse than usual grammar. FAIL.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:58 pm

Post more "think" stuff. It is way more entertaining.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:07 pm

*sniff* Makes me feel homesick for LordMortis it does *sniff*

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:40 pm

Qantaga wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote: Qantaga

He's due.

You know, it's funny, I hadn't thought about this until you posted it.

I have not been a "bad guy" in any OO game so far. In 8 GT games, I have only been a wolf once. I suppose that I am just naturally "good."

As for this game, the trend continues,I am as pure as the driven snow in service to Her Majesty.

As for my vote, the forces of evil would know me to be innocent, thus it is likely that

Scoop

is evil!

(A rather blatant Triggercut-ism on my part).

The bolded part of your statement reminds me of an awesome scene in On Her Majesties Secret Service. That driven snow was rather bloody and not quite pure now wasnt it? Ive got my eye on you Agent Qan!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:12 pm

Lets vote off Qantaga. He's why to nice to let live.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:14 pm

Qantaga

he makes a good case for himself, only evil once, he is due.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:15 pm

huh, that vote was not enticed by scoop. He posted while I was typing.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:28 pm

Lassr wrote:huh, that vote was not enticed by scoop. He posted while I was typing.

I'm in your head!!!!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:43 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Lassr wrote:huh, that vote was not enticed by scoop. He posted while I was typing.
I'm in your head!!!!

I was wondering why I kept picturing Taylor Swift naked as I typed my post...oh wait...that's normal for me.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:10 am

Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Lassr wrote:huh, that vote was not enticed by scoop. He posted while I was typing.
I'm in your head!!!!
I was wondering why I kept picturing Taylor Swift naked as I typed my post...oh wait...that's normal for me.

Liar. We all know you picture Baltar naked.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:13 am

I don't like Scoop's theory.

Qantaga states he has never been a villain on Day One when there is no reason from him to tell us this. Yes, he could be trying to play us, but it doesn't fit this early. Were he a villian, he probably would never mention this and force us to remember or look it up. This seems to convenient an excuse for Scoop to be using.

My vote stays on the late-comer, Grundbegriff.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:35 am

theohall wrote:I don't like Scoop's theory.

Qantaga states he has never been a villain on Day One when there is no reason from him to tell us this. Yes, he could be trying to play us, but it doesn't fit this early. Were he a villian, he probably would never mention this and force us to remember or look it up. This seems to convenient an excuse for Scoop to be using.

So you don't like Scoop's excuse is too convenient, but you keep voting for Grund? That seems...odd.

Also, don't forget, one of the Baddies is Mr. Boom. They can get a 1/2 day ahead of us if he goes off without getting shot (and another 1/2 day if we shoot one of our own - oh wait, Backshot isn't playing - we're fine!).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:12 am

Spoken just like a zerker, stessier...

And of course, the comedic value of our shooter coming in right now and shooting stessier would be epic. A tale told to our children's children, I say!

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:24 am

stessier wrote:
theohall wrote:I don't like Scoop's theory.

Qantaga states he has never been a villain on Day One when there is no reason from him to tell us this. Yes, he could be trying to play us, but it doesn't fit this early. Were he a villian, he probably would never mention this and force us to remember or look it up. This seems to convenient an excuse for Scoop to be using.
So you don't like Scoop's excuse is too convenient, but you keep voting for Grund? That seems...odd.

Also, don't forget, one of the Baddies is Mr. Boom. They can get a 1/2 day ahead of us if he goes off without getting shot (and another 1/2 day if we shoot one of our own - oh wait, Backshot isn't playing - we're fine!).

I'm voting for Grund, because was the last one to post. Absolutely no other reason. It is the first day. I find it odd that Scoop is trying to use logic this early. Ask yourself - why would Qanataga voluntarily bring up he has never been a bad guy on OO?? And then ask - why is Scoop jumping on it?

The first one - no reason or he is trying to be especially devious - which I haven't seen from Qantaga.... yet.
The second one - deflect the attention from himself, since he became a target when slim turned out to be Chaosraven's doppleganger.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:38 am

theohall wrote:
stessier wrote:
theohall wrote:I don't like Scoop's theory.

Qantaga states he has never been a villain on Day One when there is no reason from him to tell us this. Yes, he could be trying to play us, but it doesn't fit this early. Were he a villian, he probably would never mention this and force us to remember or look it up. This seems to convenient an excuse for Scoop to be using.
So you don't like Scoop's excuse is too convenient, but you keep voting for Grund? That seems...odd.

Also, don't forget, one of the Baddies is Mr. Boom. They can get a 1/2 day ahead of us if he goes off without getting shot (and another 1/2 day if we shoot one of our own - oh wait, Backshot isn't playing - we're fine!).
I'm voting for Grund, because was the last one to post. Absolutely no other reason. It is the first day. I find it odd that Scoop is trying to use logic this early. Ask yourself - why would Qanataga voluntarily bring up he has never been a bad guy on OO?? And then ask - why is Scoop jumping on it?

The first one - no reason or he is trying to be especially devious - which I haven't seen from Qantaga.... yet.
The second one - deflect the attention from himself, since he became a target when slim turned out to be Chaosraven's doppleganger.

on the first day with no night kill I'm looking for any kind of logic. Scoop's logic is weak but at least it's something and he got Qantaga to address it. DO I think Qantaga is a bad guy? There is a 25% chance....same for everyone else.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:41 am

theohall wrote:
stessier wrote:
theohall wrote:I don't like Scoop's theory.

Qantaga states he has never been a villain on Day One when there is no reason from him to tell us this. Yes, he could be trying to play us, but it doesn't fit this early. Were he a villian, he probably would never mention this and force us to remember or look it up. This seems to convenient an excuse for Scoop to be using.
So you don't like Scoop's excuse is too convenient, but you keep voting for Grund? That seems...odd.

Also, don't forget, one of the Baddies is Mr. Boom. They can get a 1/2 day ahead of us if he goes off without getting shot (and another 1/2 day if we shoot one of our own - oh wait, Backshot isn't playing - we're fine!).
I'm voting for Grund, because was the last one to post. Absolutely no other reason. It is the first day. I find it odd that Scoop is trying to use logic this early. Ask yourself - why would Qanataga voluntarily bring up he has never been a bad guy on OO?? And then ask - why is Scoop jumping on it?

The first one - no reason or he is trying to be especially devious - which I haven't seen from Qantaga.... yet.
The second one - deflect the attention from himself, since he became a target when slim turned out to be Chaosraven's doppleganger.

Ask yourself - why would theohall so badly mangle the timeline to try and show that I jumped on and voted based a comment when my vote was the basis for the comment originally?

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Scoop20906 wrote: Postby Scoop20906 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:15 am
Qantaga

He's due.
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Qantaga wrote: Postby Qantaga » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:59 pm
Scoop20906 wrote: Qantaga

He's due.

You know, it's funny, I hadn't thought about this until you posted it.

I have not been a "bad guy" in any OO game so far. In 8 GT games, I have only been a wolf once. I suppose that I am just naturally "good."

As for this game, the trend continues, I am as pure as the driven snow in service to Her Majesty.

As for my vote, the forces of evil would know me to be innocent, thus it is likely that

Scoop

is evil!

(A rather blatant Triggercut-ism on my part).

Qantaga didn't voluntarily bring up anything. So, theohall, what say you?

withdrawal Qantaga

Accuse Theohall

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:45 am

theohall wrote:It is the first day. I find it odd that Scoop is trying to use logic this early. Ask yourself - why would Qanataga voluntarily bring up he has never been a bad guy on OO?? And then ask - why is Scoop jumping on it?

So, if I follow your logic correctly Theohall, the use of logic this early in the game is the doings of evil?