Bond II - The Prometheus Dawn - END!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:19 pm

Well, well, well.

stessier wrote: So looking back:
Slim - Lassr, theo, Scoop, rshetts, RMC, Grund
theo - Grund, Scoop, tru1cy, msteelers, RMC, rhetts, Chaos
Qantaga - Scoop, tru1cy, msteelers, Lassr, RMC
Grund - Unagi, Lassr, Scoop, RMC, msteelers, Chaos

Common to the Kill Trains - {Scoop, msteelers, RMC, Chaos} (note, you could throw in Lassr as he tried to vote on theo)
Common to three of 4 - {Lassr, Scoop, RMC, msteelers}

I find it also interesting that Q is still alive. If he is human as he claims, then it is interesting because Unagi and I checked in while he was at N-1 while Chaos and Remus did not.

So where does that leave me? I would bet 2 of 3 are in {Scoop, msteelers, RMC, Chaos, Lassr} and wouldn't be at all shocked if all 3 are in there.

I agree that the math works for the shot today (I'm still stunned Remus pulled of that calculation

). If Unagi is one, that would be really interesting from a vote stand point. And would prove Unagi right that we really get nothing out of these analyses as just about nothing I said will be able to be true. On the plus side, my "at least 2 out of 3" bracket is still in the running.

I am not Bond.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:20 pm

tru1cy wrote:Rather lynch a known Evil then go for a hunch. Also, of lassr comes back as evil this clears Remus and CR.

Why not shoot me, I'm the sure target.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:22 pm

tru1cy wrote:Rather lynch a known Evil then go for a hunch. Also, of lassr comes back as evil this clears Remus and CR.

No one has contested CR. CR claims Remus as his protection. We know there was a protection last night, so the protector must be alive. The protector has no reason not to contest a liar.

Thus - with everyone now checked in - CR is the Shield and Remus was last night's target. Thus Remus is who he says he is.

So tru1cy is the third?

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:28 pm

Lassr wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Rather lynch a known Evil then go for a hunch. Also, of lassr comes back as evil this clears Remus and CR.
Why not shoot me, I'm the sure target.

Because, silly bird, we want to shoot Odd Job, not Erich.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:30 pm

Remus West wrote:Either way, it is up to Bond. Just do not shoot Erich Kriegler - Lassr. He already used his power and will be lynched today.

Nicely done Remus!

I won't cast my vote for Lassr yet to give Bond time to think. I will be ready to cast it when lynching time comes.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:31 pm

stessier wrote:I am not Bond.

Neither am I.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:38 pm

Newcastle wrote:Majority is 6

Chaosraven (1)- Scoop,
RMC (1) - Chaosraven
Remus (1)- Unagi,
Msteelers (1)- stessier,

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No votes cast: Qantaga, msteelers, tru1cy, Lassr, Remus, RMC,

(I think this is right, let me know if there are any mistakes)

So everyone but RMC and Unagi have checked in since the logic of the shot was demonstrated, right?

Bond

Scoop
Chaos
Unagi
stessier
Qantaga
msteelers
tru1cy
Lassr
Remus
RMC

Scoop never said it explicitly, but I think it was close enough to cross off.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:40 pm

I'm not Bond

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:44 pm

It seems msteelers is claiming the role:

msteelers wrote:I see very little reason for Bond to not take the shot today. The only question is who. The obvious choice is Unagi, but I was really hoping to shoot Stessier.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:51 pm

I think it actually may be tru1cy, RMC, and Lassr. Lassr interacts a bit with RMC, and had an odd connection that struck a chord. Lassr urges other to Get Smart and vote 99 (during the slim silence). Later, tru1cy mentions lynching him won't "hurt Control" and later suspects 7nagi and stessier are "Kaos agents". Is it possible the behind the scenes forum is Get Smart parody titled? Something that creeps into their typing? At the end of page 3, Lassr withdraws a scoop vote and wants to vote for the silent people... But doesn't vote so. Especially for tru1cy, who he semidefends his position of not voting for, without provocation. He is "hesitant" to vote for him. On to page 7...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:53 pm

Qantaga wrote:It seems msteelers is claiming the role:

msteelers wrote:I see very little reason for Bond to not take the shot today. The only question is who. The obvious choice is Unagi, but I was really hoping to shoot Stessier.

Ahhhh, I thought that was a generic "I wanted to shoot stessier".

Geez - vote for a guy and they take it all personal like.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:56 pm

stessier wrote:Ahhhh, I thought that was a generic "I wanted to shoot stessier".

You could well be right. I may be over-reading it, but the "I" jumped out at me (as opposed to an "I was hoping we could shoot stessier" kind of statement).

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:05 pm

Chaosraven wrote:I think it actually may be tru1cy, RMC, and Lassr. Lassr interacts a bit with RMC, and had an odd connection that struck a chord. Lassr urges other to Get Smart and vote 99 (during the slim silence). Later, tru1cy mentions lynching him won't "hurt Control" and later suspects 7nagi and stessier are "Kaos agents". Is it possible the behind the scenes forum is Get Smart parody titled? Something that creeps into their typing? At the end of page 3, Lassr withdraws a scoop vote and wants to vote for the silent people... But doesn't vote so. Especially for tru1cy, who he semidefends his position of not voting for, without provocation. He is "hesitant" to vote for him. On to page 7...

Well You can check I made not reference to 'get smart', and I pretty much followed Scoops lead... I think it was the Taylor swift picture. <shrug>

I was hoping to be vindicated by the scan, but that was not in the cards apparently.

I am not bond, nor am I a bad guy. But since you all seem so convinced what can I do to convince you otherwise?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:05 pm

Lynch me if you like, but you would be wasting a lynch or shoot

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:14 pm

RMC: Who do you mean by "all"? How many people are convinced it's you?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:43 pm

Lassr wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Rather lynch a known Evil then go for a hunch. Also, of lassr comes back as evil this clears Remus and CR.
Why not shoot me, I'm the sure target.

Because I know 100% certain you are not going to take anyone with you when we lynch you. May as well take a shot at someone we think might be Odd Job.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:44 pm

I think the only way Qantaga could be a bad guy is if he is the zerker. Lassr was on the n-1 vote there.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:50 pm

Perhaps we should set up a vote to shoot. Final call will obviously be Bond's but that way we could have a record of what folks think. Or maybe post our suspects for the final two and rank them 2 points for a first and 1 for second then see how they fall out that way.

I'd rank Unagi 1 and RMC 2 right now.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:51 pm

Chaosraven wrote:I think the only way Qantaga could be a bad guy is if he is the zerker. Lassr was on the n-1 vote there.

Why didn't he self vote at that point if he was the Zerker? Did he check in while at N-1?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:53 pm

Chaosraven wrote:I think the only way Qantaga could be a bad guy is if he is the zerker. Lassr was on the n-1 vote there.

This was my thinking too.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:54 pm

Qantaga wrote:
Unagi wrote: You will have to forgive us. We've been around the block so many times, we've been through waves of wolves that claim Seer and waves that claim "If I were evil, I would be claiming a special role".

The Chicken Soup here tases like Kool Aid. or does the Kool Aid taste like Chicken Soup... It's been so long, I can't remember.

Gotcha.

It just seems like, strategically, I would want to try to out a special on my way to the gallows, if I were a member of Team Evil.

Since I'm n-1, I will try once more to state very clearly that I am as pure as the driven snow in service to Her Majesty.

Yes he did check in. I'd say Q is not Evil.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:01 pm

I am strongly considering Scoop as the zerker. Within 15 min of writeup, he throws out the "it worked" folllowed by Lassr. I need to go back and look at whoever mentioned the time Lassr and I were evil... Lassr would remember it, but I don't think he was the one to mention it. Still comfortable with tru1cy as bad, as he noted the Qantaga n-1.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:17 pm

Chaosraven wrote:I am strongly considering Scoop as the zerker. Within 15 min of writeup, he throws out the "it worked" folllowed by Lassr. I need to go back and look at whoever mentioned the time Lassr and I were evil... Lassr would remember it, but I don't think he was the one to mention it. Still comfortable with tru1cy as bad, as he noted the Qantaga n-1.

You know, thats interesting. His play might get the protector to come forward but on its own is unlikely to get him shot. Interesting.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:28 pm

Remus West wrote:How many of you gave me lee-way based off my hinting and joking about being Q? Why didn't Unagi?

Actually, I did give you that lee-way when you said perhaps it was because you had two scans, but the moment you backed off that - I said, 'well then, bullshit - if he had scans, I can see the math blunder, but if he's not the Seer then it's bullshit, he's a wolf."

Anyhow, that's how that moment played for me. You gave the 'maybe I had tw scans' reason, and I thought "Oh, well, fuck yeah, there is that... " but then you yourself insisted that you were not claiming Seer, so I proclaimed 'Bullshit', we have a wolf.

Frankly Remus, at the time, I thought you were a wolf that read my "So you have 2 living scans" as me being the Seer drooling at the chance to call you a liar, and that was why you backed off 'the claim'.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:31 pm

Remus West wrote:Notice that when I mentioned I knew a bad guy Unagi only asked about the one scan. When I asked who he thought I had scanned he only speculates regarding a single scan - not two scans.

Yeah.
Because you asked me "Who do you think I scanned as a wolf".

Have fun Remus,

I'm not entirely caught up - but, this is a bad path you are starting down.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:37 pm

Remus West wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Well, I guess I can just kick back and watch the specials work.
Well, I'm just waiting for everyone to check in so that I know Bond is either intending to shoot or not then I'm going to vote Lassr. So we are really in the same boat as far as that goes.

Ha!

So I was right about a wolf, and I'm still your number 1 suspect.

Actually, that may even make some sense. So, yeah.

But, I'll take that feather in my cap, and the fact that I have msteelers and RMC (tru1cy is always on the list) as the other two...

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:39 pm

Chaosraven wrote:I am strongly considering Scoop as the zerker. Within 15 min of writeup, he throws out the "it worked" folllowed by Lassr. I need to go back and look at whoever mentioned the time Lassr and I were evil... Lassr would remember it, but I don't think he was the one to mention it. Still comfortable with tru1cy as bad, as he noted the Qantaga n-1.

Please don't shoot me. I am not the zerker. However, if I got shot for my efforts to try and spoof every special in the game and a couple that aren't I won't be upset. I actually think we are in a pretty good position at the point thanks to the specials.

If I was Bond I would shoot Unagi or tru1cy.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:40 pm

Remus West wrote:My main suspicion of Unagi is not from the single scan thing but rather from his approach to me through out the day today. The aggro stance versus me backed up by someone I know is evil (Lassr) and by my other main suspect (RMC, although his was a "triggercut" vote).

Notice that Lassr and Unagi both demonstrate no interest in voting RMC.

sigh...

you are so not reading Lassr and my interactions at all, are you?

You go back and read this game, and you think that Lassr and I are on a Team.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:57 pm

Qantaga wrote:It's funny. In the last Bond game, SPECTRE agents Lassr and Chaosraven were all kinds of chatty (and Remus wasn't exactly shy before he was exposed) as they led Her Majesty's agents to their doom. So giving the vocal agents a pass seems like a big mistake to me.

I'm here. I just haven't seen anything yet to make me cast a vote.

there it is. Hmmm.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:03 pm

Sadly, it is beginning to look like rshetts2 or grund

may have been Bond. With only one scan (albeit a Wolf), and 2 Good, that still leaves 2 out of 7 to look for. With only 2 chances.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:06 pm

I'd really like to trade in my Bond role in the first Bond game for the Bond role in this game.

I mean, how awesome would it be right now if I came out shooting.

In any case - tru1cy would have kept posting like crazy if he were the zerker (I think).

RMC liked to tell us that it was Scoop he was following (and then later I think he joined "stessier and Unagi" who both felt that tru1cy was a good choice).

His using others as cover could have been an attempt to be lynch worthy, I know we all found it to be.

To that point (his move to the tru1cy vote) , I'm not sure if an RMC-wolf would have joined Stessier and me* (*not that I was actually putting my vote there, but I kept listing tru1cy, and RMC used that point....) on a tru1cy train if the two of them were teamed.

I felt Scoops post after the Protection was (even at the time I felt this) perhaps Villager-Scoop just trying to pretend to be the protector. (And I wanted the wolves to think that he was the protector too, but I wanted Scoop to come back and say 'No, no, I wasn't saying that'... )

So, obviously - Bond could be dead. (Chaos

).

I am not Bond.

I think Bond should shoot RMC (That would be my top pick) and then perhaps (Tru1cy or msteelers).

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:12 pm

accuse lassr

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:18 pm

Lassr wrote: Although it would be nice if Remus has scanned me so I can get a laugh before I'm dead.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:22 pm

msteelers wrote:I'll be honest, I focused in on the one bad guy as well and didn't think too much about the second scan. I had completely forgotten about the EMP power, so it never entered into my mind that you could only have 1 scan.

I'll be honest too.
I actually had spaced out that EMP power as well, until very recently.

and, further more, I will say that this one post of msteelers' is what's making me lean toward thinking it's perhaps
Tru1cy, RMC, Lassr - in that order. And the shot should be put on RMC.

I just don't think that msteelers, as a Villain, would bother sharing something that I didn't feel like sharing because I felt people would think I was lying: "That I didn't even remember there was an EMP power".

I'm taking it to the bank --> I think that was an honest statement of msteelers'.

So.

Tru1cy, RMC, Lassr

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:39 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:My main suspicion of Unagi is not from the single scan thing but rather from his approach to me through out the day today. The aggro stance versus me backed up by someone I know is evil (Lassr) and by my other main suspect (RMC, although his was a "triggercut" vote).

Notice that Lassr and Unagi both demonstrate no interest in voting RMC.
sigh...

you are so not reading Lassr and my interactions at all, are you?

You go back and read this game, and you think that Lassr and I are on a Team.

I'll go back and reread but what I saw after I announced I knew a bad guy did nothing to disuade me from thinking you were acting together. If you are a wolf then putting him in your "wolf" pile is a pretty common move. As is the spat.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:50 pm

My suspect list on who I should shoot is this:

Unagi - I've gotten the feeling from him at various points throughout the game that he's a wolf trying to lead the pack.
Stessier - Just because.
RMC - He's followed on almost all votes, and actively claimed he was doing so at the time. It just seems like something a bad guy would do.
Scoop - He just worked himself up onto the list by voting for Lassr already. I purposefully left my hint at being Bond vague in the hopes of allowing the bad guys to make a mistake, but I thought for sure Scoop would jump all over it. That he ignored it and started the voting of Lassr makes me think he could be a bad guy hoping that Bond is dead.

Right now I'm leaning towards shooting Unagi, because I think he needs to be tested. Off to read the thread one last time before submitting any orders.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:51 pm

Chaosraven wrote:RMC: Who do you mean by "all"? How many people are convinced it's you?

Well maybe I was a little to expressive of "all" As it has been yourself and Remus, and Ugani the most vocal. I guess it just felt like everyone.

So should we be Lynching Lassr, or voting to shoot someone (Not that the vote means anything, as only Bond get's the shot).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:00 pm

Remus West wrote: If you are a wolf then putting him in your "wolf" pile is a pretty common move. As is the spat.

Yeah, as I wrote that out as a reason you shouldn't find me wolfy, it struck me as a pretty easy thing for a wolf to do...

but, please do - re-read.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:01 pm

RMC wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:RMC: Who do you mean by "all"? How many people are convinced it's you?
Well maybe I was a little to expressive of "all" As it has been yourself and Remus, and Ugani the most vocal. I guess it just felt like everyone.

So should we be Lynching Lassr, or voting to shoot someone (Not that the vote means anything, as only Bond get's the shot).

Looks like msteelers is off deciding who to shoot right now so if you want a voice you had better add it now.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:03 pm

msteelers wrote:My suspect list on who I should shoot is this:

Unagi - I've gotten the feeling from him at various points throughout the game that he's a wolf trying to lead the pack.
Stessier - Just because.
RMC - He's followed on almost all votes, and actively claimed he was doing so at the time. It just seems like something a bad guy would do.
Scoop - He just worked himself up onto the list by voting for Lassr already. I purposefully left my hint at being Bond vague in the hopes of allowing the bad guys to make a mistake, but I thought for sure Scoop would jump all over it. That he ignored it and started the voting of Lassr makes me think he could be a bad guy hoping that Bond is dead.

Right now I'm leaning towards shooting Unagi, because I think he needs to be tested. Off to read the thread one last time before submitting any orders.

OK, Bond...

Take your shot on RMC.

I am fairly convinced that Scoop and stessier are good guys.

If you do end up shooting me, please folks. remember - I called tru1cy, RMC, and Lassr. (And I got Lassr without Remus' help)