concerts....who you seeing?
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- Xmann
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Got in on a presale for Opeth and just bought my tickets for the show in October!
Skinpupy, if you are interested i can give you a link to a presale for all shows. I know it's early, but i'm not missing this show and it wouldn't surprise me if it sells out.
When i saw Amon Amarth a couple months ago it had sold out and there were lots of people begging for tickets outside the venue. Didn't want to be one of those guys....thats for sure!
Skinpupy, if you are interested i can give you a link to a presale for all shows. I know it's early, but i'm not missing this show and it wouldn't surprise me if it sells out.
When i saw Amon Amarth a couple months ago it had sold out and there were lots of people begging for tickets outside the venue. Didn't want to be one of those guys....thats for sure!
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Back on the fence for Creepshow versus the Cobras. Some friends of mine are going to Creepshow and we never see each other. They told me about seeing the Flaming Lips and kidnapping the band after the show when their manager wasn't looking and I feel like I totally miss out if I'm at a different show then them now.
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Yep, PM the link to me please.Xmann wrote:Got in on a presale for Opeth and just bought my tickets for the show in October!
Skinpupy, if you are interested i can give you a link to a presale for all shows. I know it's early, but i'm not missing this show and it wouldn't surprise me if it sells out.
When i saw Amon Amarth a couple months ago it had sold out and there were lots of people begging for tickets outside the venue. Didn't want to be one of those guys....thats for sure!
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From the fuckity fuck fuck fuck department:
Toots & The Maytals will be in Las Vegas two days before we arrive. They will be in Tucson the day before we get back.
Stephen Stills/Neil Young/Richie Furay are doing some Buffalo Springfield reunion shows in So. CA, but not playing anywhere else (for now).
Toots & The Maytals will be in Las Vegas two days before we arrive. They will be in Tucson the day before we get back.
Stephen Stills/Neil Young/Richie Furay are doing some Buffalo Springfield reunion shows in So. CA, but not playing anywhere else (for now).
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It sucks when you have to smoke weed to the "Abba Experience" and not something more appropriate.tgb wrote:From the fuckity fuck fuck fuck department:
Toots & The Maytals will be in Las Vegas two days before we arrive. They will be in Tucson the day before we get back.
Stephen Stills/Neil Young/Richie Furay are doing some Buffalo Springfield reunion shows in So. CA, but not playing anywhere else (for now).
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The Decemberists show was a lot of fun. They played the Raleigh Amphitheater which is a smaller venue than I'm used to, and I loved the more intimate setting. They were actually better live than I expected, even though I had heard good things.
Sara Watkins from Nickel Creek filled in for Jenny who is undergoing cancer treatment. She did an awesome job - I saw her solo concert a couple of years back so I knew I would not be disappointed. Colin was in top form - the band really sounded great.
My only minor disappointment is that they played tracks off their most recent albums almost exclusively - while I love a lot of those songs there were many I was not as familiar with. "July July" and a couple of tracks off Picaresque was as far back as they went, and they kept it very mainstream with none of their more unusual "novelty" songs.
Still I got to see one of my favorite bands live under the stars with my wife by my side, so I'm not complaining. Had a blast and can't wait to go back because that is an awesome little amphitheater.
Sara Watkins from Nickel Creek filled in for Jenny who is undergoing cancer treatment. She did an awesome job - I saw her solo concert a couple of years back so I knew I would not be disappointed. Colin was in top form - the band really sounded great.
My only minor disappointment is that they played tracks off their most recent albums almost exclusively - while I love a lot of those songs there were many I was not as familiar with. "July July" and a couple of tracks off Picaresque was as far back as they went, and they kept it very mainstream with none of their more unusual "novelty" songs.
Still I got to see one of my favorite bands live under the stars with my wife by my side, so I'm not complaining. Had a blast and can't wait to go back because that is an awesome little amphitheater.
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The Moody Blues show last night was great, but it was COLD as hell out on the lawn. Along with a persistent drizzle. So conditions sucked (along with the sushi at the park. Ew.) but the music was great.
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Saw Deep Purple with an Orchestra this past week at the Wang in Boston. Old guys still do great job. Would highly recommend seeing them if they are in your area. Opening act is Ernie and The Automatics who do some great classic sounding music. It helps they have two members from Boston and the sax form the Beaver brown Band.
So far the rest of our summer line up is
At the Beachcomber(Best beach bar on Cape Cod)
G. Love and Special Sauce
Donovan Frankenreiter
Old 97's
Mishka
Fountains of Wayne
Melody Tent(Worst overpriced venue on cape and the Music has to end by 11)
Aaron Lewis
Greg Allman
And a new Venue for us it is a Arts Center in New Bedford(Byob which is always a god thing)
Ray Wylie Hubbard
And recently added to our schedule is Ryan Bingham at the Royale in Boston. Unfortunately it is a Friday night and they start the music early so they can clear you our at 10 for the NightClub scene. Although it does make it easier to get back to the Cape that night.
So far the rest of our summer line up is
At the Beachcomber(Best beach bar on Cape Cod)
G. Love and Special Sauce
Donovan Frankenreiter
Old 97's
Mishka
Fountains of Wayne
Melody Tent(Worst overpriced venue on cape and the Music has to end by 11)
Aaron Lewis
Greg Allman
And a new Venue for us it is a Arts Center in New Bedford(Byob which is always a god thing)
Ray Wylie Hubbard
And recently added to our schedule is Ryan Bingham at the Royale in Boston. Unfortunately it is a Friday night and they start the music early so they can clear you our at 10 for the NightClub scene. Although it does make it easier to get back to the Cape that night.
- LordMortis
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Saw Black Jake and the Carnies again this weekend. On the rare times they leave SE Michigan, they will need to be a band you see. So much fun. They are the carnies for a reason. They play games with the audience all night long and their music is fantastic. Their crabgrass version of "I Turned Into a Martian" was a particular highlight, which is not to say their own material isn't incredible.
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Saw the Doobie Brothers last night. Those guys know how to jam. I wasn't familiar with them but a friend had his son back out, so I went along in his place.
Very entertaining.
Very entertaining.
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I remember going to see the Doobie Brothers back in the early '80s with a bunch of my friends. It was a great show until one of them got busted trying to bootleg the concert. I tried telling him that the rain coat was too much, but he didn't listen.
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Tonight is opening night for the Grant Park Symphony Orchestra at Millennium Park, a free, top-notch orchestra and venue publicly funded since the depression (the 1930's one, not the current economic cluster fuck). The schedule this year is awesome like it always is, and tonight is Berlioz Symphony Fantastique as well as Ravel's Piano Concerto in G Major, two pieces I like a lot.
Weather forecast for today was rain, storms, and rain.
I checked last night, and the concert is broadcast live on WFMT.com. Yay! So I'm at home instead, sipping wine along with some goat cheese, and I can hear the heavy rain downtown (as well as outside my window). I'm glad this one was broadcast...I would have been tempted to get soaked otherwise.
Weather forecast for today was rain, storms, and rain.
I checked last night, and the concert is broadcast live on WFMT.com. Yay! So I'm at home instead, sipping wine along with some goat cheese, and I can hear the heavy rain downtown (as well as outside my window). I'm glad this one was broadcast...I would have been tempted to get soaked otherwise.
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I saw the Doobie Brother's about 9 years ago myself and damn they were great. They are one of those bands that play alot of songs you forgot or you didn't know it was them. Kinda like when i saw Hall and Oats years ago as well.
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Probably too much weekend for me coming up.
Thrill Kill Kult are playing with two local bands I know tonight and Creepshow are playing with local band I know tomorrow.
Sorry Z, gonna miss the Cobras. Hopefully you get out early enough to see Girl in a Coma and they have an on sort of night. When they are aware of crowd and actually playing for them, they are fantastic. When they are just going through the motions, not so much. I was going to go and just too many of my friends are going to be Creepshow... all of whom say the Cobras put on a great show... One day I'll make a Corbras show... One day...
Thrill Kill Kult are playing with two local bands I know tonight and Creepshow are playing with local band I know tomorrow.
Sorry Z, gonna miss the Cobras. Hopefully you get out early enough to see Girl in a Coma and they have an on sort of night. When they are aware of crowd and actually playing for them, they are fantastic. When they are just going through the motions, not so much. I was going to go and just too many of my friends are going to be Creepshow... all of whom say the Cobras put on a great show... One day I'll make a Corbras show... One day...
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Going to Hard Rock Calling next weekend. Have inlaws that work/did work at Hard Rock so got back stage passes for almost free (cost cheaper than the free food/drink we'll enjoy). Don't really care for the bands though wife likes some, but gave us an excuse to finally take a trip to London. The Killers and Kaiser Chiefs are the closest thing to tolerable to me besides Rod Stewart and Stevie Nicks since I do like classic rock (have no albums but dont mind them on classic rock stations). Still, it beats just sitting at home even if its a live band I dont like, at least its free food and drink and I'll be in a different country.
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"Hopefully you get out early enough..."LordMortis wrote:Sorry Z, gonna miss the Cobras. Hopefully you get out early enough to see Girl in a Coma and they have an on sort of night.
My reputation precedes me! We are absolutely famous for missing halves of shows...
Show is at 9:00, two bands before Girl in a Coma, then the Cobras. So we should be good...it'll be a late night show...
I've heard you recommend Girl before so we're gonna do our best to catch them. Have fun with whatever you show you make it to!
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I got tix for the Creepshow last night so I'm committed... and in a little pain from last night still. Oi.
I would love to see Kaiser Chiefs. I've been watching out for them for several years.
Creepy_Smell wrote:Going to Hard Rock Calling next weekend. Have inlaws that work/did work at Hard Rock so got back stage passes for almost free (cost cheaper than the free food/drink we'll enjoy). Don't really care for the bands though wife likes some, but gave us an excuse to finally take a trip to London. The Killers and Kaiser Chiefs are the closest thing to tolerable to me besides Rod Stewart and Stevie Nicks since I do like classic rock (have no albums but dont mind them on classic rock stations). Still, it beats just sitting at home even if its a live band I dont like, at least its free food and drink and I'll be in a different country.
I would love to see Kaiser Chiefs. I've been watching out for them for several years.
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Tonight I get to do something I love to do.......go see a band I like at a small club for next to nothing.
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I saw them...um...31 years ago?Xmann wrote:I saw the Doobie Brother's about 9 years ago myself and damn they were great. They are one of those bands that play alot of songs you forgot or you didn't know it was them. Kinda like when i saw Hall and Oats years ago as well.
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While the show was fandamtastic, the thing the struck me is I can't remember that last time I have seen such a crown beautiful people. The night was simply stunning to watch people.
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A crown beautiful people?LordMortis wrote:While the show was fandamtastic, the thing the struck me is I can't remember that last time I have seen such a crown beautiful people. The night was simply stunning to watch people.

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Went to Millennium Park to see Iron & Wine a few weeks ago but we didn't stay long for the free Monday night concerts. We didn't stay though, there isn't any point standing out in the heat for a band you can't see or hear.
As a sort of do-over date, my wife and I went to Evanston last week to see a small folk/rock band Horse Feathers. It was a complete opposite experience than our attempt to see Iron & Wine. A small intimate venue with a table, a/c, and beer. The band was pretty good too.
In July we are going to see Tinariwen at Lincoln Hall. Bluesy West African Desert music goodness.
Late August I'm taking my wife to see Alison Krauss for her birthday. She's much more excited about it than me, but I guess that's alright since it is her birthday.
As a sort of do-over date, my wife and I went to Evanston last week to see a small folk/rock band Horse Feathers. It was a complete opposite experience than our attempt to see Iron & Wine. A small intimate venue with a table, a/c, and beer. The band was pretty good too.
In July we are going to see Tinariwen at Lincoln Hall. Bluesy West African Desert music goodness.
Late August I'm taking my wife to see Alison Krauss for her birthday. She's much more excited about it than me, but I guess that's alright since it is her birthday.
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I have tickets for Dream Theater in Rome of July 4th and Zurich on July 6th... I want to make it back over for the moscow and Kiev shows a week or so later but not sure I can swing it with work.
If not then, Ill head over for the Katowice Poland at the end of the month.
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I love love love Alison Krauss. I don't guess it will be the most entertaining stage show in the world, but as far as vocals/musicianship I'm sure it will be top-notch.Late August I'm taking my wife to see Alison Krauss for her birthday. She's much more excited about it than me, but I guess that's alright since it is her birthday.
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Looks like I'll likely be able to see Melissa Etheridge in August who's touring with Serena Ryder.
This song is sooo good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J5QzEePssE" target="_blank
This song is sooo good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J5QzEePssE" target="_blank
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I really like Melissa Etheridge up until about Yes I am. The whole direction she took with all that "Come to my Window" kept all of her thematic longing but it started feel too woe be to Melissa for me and it overshadowed groove of the music.
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Stevie Nicks just announced is coming to Red Rocks in August!!!!
Stevie is in the top 2 or 3 of my favorite artists of all time. Really wanted to see her a few years back with Fleetwood Mac but just couldn't spend the prices they wanted on tickets. She was "my girl" growing up as a kid in the late 70's early 80's.
Never seen her and now i'm not passing up a chance to see her at Red Rocks. Wife told me it doesn't matter the price, she wants to take me.
Super super pysched!!
Stevie is in the top 2 or 3 of my favorite artists of all time. Really wanted to see her a few years back with Fleetwood Mac but just couldn't spend the prices they wanted on tickets. She was "my girl" growing up as a kid in the late 70's early 80's.
Never seen her and now i'm not passing up a chance to see her at Red Rocks. Wife told me it doesn't matter the price, she wants to take me.
Super super pysched!!
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The Mountain Goats are playing here in a few weeks, but the show is already sold out.
Fleet Foxes is coming to Jacksonville in September. I might check them out depending on the ticket price.

Fleet Foxes is coming to Jacksonville in September. I might check them out depending on the ticket price.
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Just checked on the Fleet Foxes tickets. $86 for the cheapest seats. Are you kidding me?
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You're getting screwed. Their at a swanky auditorium for only $44 after service charges here. And their on presale for the good seats right now as of about 40 minutes agoRalph-Wiggum wrote:Just checked on the Fleet Foxes tickets. $86 for the cheapest seats. Are you kidding me?
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/080046D4F1375270" target="_blank
Also you are getting scalped. I see NC as being $48 for the good seats and $32 for the cheap seats after service charge.
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0E0046D58A6A8963" target="_blank
Reasonable for a big band but more than I'd pay for FF whom I was debating. I'd pay that price if they were still playing railroad stations with with Mumford and Sons and Edward Sharps. But not so much for an evening at the Hill Aud.
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Looks like you're right. Ticketmaster has the same tickets for $40. Not sure why the first site (the theater's own website) was so much more expensive. Still expensive though.
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Spot on.LordMortis wrote:I really like Melissa Etheridge up until about Yes I am. The whole direction she took with all that "Come to my Window" kept all of her thematic longing but it started feel too woe be to Melissa for me and it overshadowed groove of the music.
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The presale passcode if at fleetfoxes website. I don't know if they are discounted tickets but you might want to make up your mind today. Otherwise you'll crappier seats and may see a price increase for the privilege.
Your password for presales is apparently: VOICE
http://fleetfoxes.com/tour" target="_blank
Your password for presales is apparently: VOICE
http://fleetfoxes.com/tour" target="_blank
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Tonight is the show I have been looking forward to a long time! I will be seeing

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That would be Leo Kottke at the Mishawaka Amphitheater located in the gorgeous Poudre Canyon.


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LordMortis wrote:I really like Melissa Etheridge up until about Yes I am. The whole direction she took with all that "Come to my Window" kept all of her thematic longing but it started feel too woe be to Melissa for me and it overshadowed groove of the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npT23GBjW6s" target="_blank
Oh, I know what you mean. I think at that point, it started to feel like her sexuality was driving the music rather than the music itself. I never was very enamoured of her material after that, but it seems like she's getting back in the groove, with this song at least.
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Leo Kottke live is not to be missed.Enough wrote:Tonight is the show I have been looking forward to a long time! I will be seeing
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That would be Leo Kottke at the Mishawaka Amphitheater located in the gorgeous Poudre Canyon.
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Fleet Foxes are playing three consecutive dates here in Seattle (their 'home town') and all the tickets are priced for $34... i can't imagine $80+ for this band.
went to ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead last night. i was more tired than anything, so i didn't get hugely into the show... but it was a triple Austin TX lineup, and the first opening band, Follow That Bird, were pretty good. second opener Ringo Deathstarr were leaning waaay too heavily on the late80s/early90s Jesus and Mary Chain influence for me to take seriously.
just got a one-day pass for this (Biosphere!) but the field trip tickets were already sold out:
went to ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead last night. i was more tired than anything, so i didn't get hugely into the show... but it was a triple Austin TX lineup, and the first opening band, Follow That Bird, were pretty good. second opener Ringo Deathstarr were leaning waaay too heavily on the late80s/early90s Jesus and Mary Chain influence for me to take seriously.
just got a one-day pass for this (Biosphere!) but the field trip tickets were already sold out:
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Re: Summer concerts....who you seeing?
Saw Rush last night at the Clark County Amphitheater. They played a great show. By far the highlight was the beginning of the second half when they played "Moving Pictures" in order. 

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Re: Summer concerts....who you seeing?
Did you stay for the video at the end of the show?Exodor wrote:Saw Rush last night at the Clark County Amphitheater. They played a great show. By far the highlight was the beginning of the second half when they played "Moving Pictures" in order.
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Re: Summer concerts....who you seeing?
Looks like a summer of mostly nothing so far. It's a good thing the Creepshow were so good because I'm not seeing much otherwise, really. I need to expand my musical tastes and I'm not sure how nor where to begin.
But I should finally see Roger Clyne and Peacemakers this time around. There on a Saturday and everything and at a venue I've never been to before, the Eagle, in Pontiac. I always like seeing shows at new places. It's a sort of bonus to going out and gives me that sort of Critic feel for the night where I not only get to see the band but give the thumbs up or thumbs down for the venue. For instance, being in New Pontiac, I already know I am going to have to pay to park in an otherwise vacant lot in a dead community and that annoys me as independent parking lot owners often do. I hope they get taxed to hell for the "service" they provide and they get audited.
But I should finally see Roger Clyne and Peacemakers this time around. There on a Saturday and everything and at a venue I've never been to before, the Eagle, in Pontiac. I always like seeing shows at new places. It's a sort of bonus to going out and gives me that sort of Critic feel for the night where I not only get to see the band but give the thumbs up or thumbs down for the venue. For instance, being in New Pontiac, I already know I am going to have to pay to park in an otherwise vacant lot in a dead community and that annoys me as independent parking lot owners often do. I hope they get taxed to hell for the "service" they provide and they get audited.