Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:55 pm

I wonder how many specials will get outed today, given this game has so many of them.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:36 pm

theohall wrote:Semaj, how was your 4th of July weekend? The masses are curious to know if you celebrated for those rebel scum on that little blue planet in a galaxy far, far away.

Would you believe if I said they were tame and sober?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:11 pm

Yes, I would

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:21 pm

Semaj wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Semaj wrote:Let me know when you guys get done throwing oround quotes and movie lines and implications of far boy-ness and want to get to the actual buisiness of ruling the empire and oppressing civilians.
I've been trying to oppress Mr Bubbles but I am not strong enough in the force to get him. I need help with that one...the force is strong....well, you get the idea.
are you implying you have the ability ot use the force?

No. I was altering a movie quote to address my accusation of Bubbles. No hint intended.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:13 pm

Remus West wrote:
Semaj wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Semaj wrote:Let me know when you guys get done throwing oround quotes and movie lines and implications of far boy-ness and want to get to the actual buisiness of ruling the empire and oppressing civilians.
I've been trying to oppress Mr Bubbles but I am not strong enough in the force to get him. I need help with that one...the force is strong....well, you get the idea.
are you implying you have the ability ot use the force?
No. I was altering a movie quote to address my accusation of Bubbles. No hint intended.

Sure sure

And I assure you, i was harassing you

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:13 am

pr0ner wrote:I wonder how many specials will get outed today, given this game has so many of them.

that's a good plan. Let's have the Rebels stand up and be recognized. We have shiny medals for you! Here, rebel rebel rebel. C'mon out.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:44 am

I'm getting a vibe from

Remus West

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:44 am

Chaosraven wrote:
pr0ner wrote:I wonder how many specials will get outed today, given this game has so many of them.
that's a good plan. Let's have the Rebels stand up and be recognized. We have shiny medals for you! Here, rebel rebel rebel. C'mon out.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:42 am

This is a very tough game for the Empire.

I'm making an educated guess that the player/team breakdown is likely 14 Empire vs 7 Rebels.

The Empire has 1 potential extravote every day...but the Empire player controlling it could likely be casting especially blind early in the game. May not be in play if Dooku is not a randomly selected role.
The Rebels have 1 potential extravote every day, and can coordinate that with the other Rebels. Additionally the Rebels have 3 one-time extravotes courtesy of that damned R2 unit--with a conditional. Both of these are also subject to the possibility that the role(s) may not be in play.

The Empire begins the game with the possibility of 2 anytime assassins: Mara and Greedo.
The Rebels have an "almost" anytime assassin with Chewie (needs one Empire vote against him).

Seems pretty likely that the Empire may have 3 misses, tops, to start off with. If the Rebels turn Mara, game may be over.

Margin is so close, I'm even waiving the frivolity of the triggercut rule. We need to choose carefully here. A lot of time until the deadline should it be a factor, but for now I have an instinct:

Scoop

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:29 am

What's the "triggercut" rule?

It's bothering me that, unless a rebel screws up, our lynch today is inevitably going to be 95% guess, and given that imperials outnumber rebels, we're probably going to miss. But then there isn't really any way around that that I can see.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:56 am

El Guapo wrote:What's the "triggercut" rule?

It's bothering me that, unless a rebel screws up, our lynch today is inevitably going to be 95% guess, and given that imperials outnumber rebels, we're probably going to miss. But then there isn't really any way around that that I can see.

welcome to day 1.

triggercut rule: retaliation vote on someone voting for him with the reasoning that triggercut knows he's good so the one voting for him could be bad or is not helping the good side win.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:59 am

El Guapo wrote:What's the "triggercut" rule?

It's bothering me that, unless a rebel screws up, our lynch today is inevitably going to be 95% guess, and given that imperials outnumber rebels, we're probably going to miss. But then there isn't really any way around that that I can see.

The other alternative is to have 11 players pass on the vote and let it go to night.

Note: Extra votes may not be used for a pass vote. Only for actual lynches.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:20 am

Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:What's the "triggercut" rule?

It's bothering me that, unless a rebel screws up, our lynch today is inevitably going to be 95% guess, and given that imperials outnumber rebels, we're probably going to miss. But then there isn't really any way around that that I can see.
welcome to day 1.

triggercut rule: retaliation vote on someone voting for him with the reasoning that triggercut knows he's good so the one voting for him could be bad or is not helping the good side win.

Lassr

Lassr Rule - A Helpful Lassr is and Evil Lassr.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:40 am

bb2112 wrote: The other alternative is to have 11 players pass on the vote and let it go to night.

[mockaccuse]bb2112[/mockaccuse]

I'm not falling into the CG trap. Not killing someone is the worst course of action. The rebels know what team everyone is on and will happily pick us off at night while we mill about thinking of what to do.

There's a good chance the person we take out is an Imperial and even a powered Imperial. Wait, why is it a good idea to kill someone blindly again? I guess we have lots of Imperials to spare so it's worth the chance.

My thoughts on who to kill when we know nothing about anyone, is to kill someone who would be very dangerous if they were a Rebel, that's why my vote is on Grund. The downside, of course, is those dangerous people would be very helpful if they are Imperials and also keep the game interesting with their manipulations. I feel they have more power as Rebels though and are worth eliminating.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:40 am

stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:What's the "triggercut" rule?

It's bothering me that, unless a rebel screws up, our lynch today is inevitably going to be 95% guess, and given that imperials outnumber rebels, we're probably going to miss. But then there isn't really any way around that that I can see.
welcome to day 1.

triggercut rule: retaliation vote on someone voting for him with the reasoning that triggercut knows he's good so the one voting for him could be bad or is not helping the good side win.
Lassr

Lassr Rule - A Helpful Lassr is and Evil Lassr.

can I help you with your grammar/spelling?

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:42 am

stessier wrote:Lassr Rule - A Helpful Lassr is and Evil Lassr.

Lassr wrote:can I help you with your grammar/spelling?

Can we consider that confirmation?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:44 am

Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:What's the "triggercut" rule?

It's bothering me that, unless a rebel screws up, our lynch today is inevitably going to be 95% guess, and given that imperials outnumber rebels, we're probably going to miss. But then there isn't really any way around that that I can see.
welcome to day 1.

triggercut rule: retaliation vote on someone voting for him with the reasoning that triggercut knows he's good so the one voting for him could be bad or is not helping the good side win.
Lassr

Lassr Rule - A Helpful Lassr is and Evil Lassr.

can I help you with your grammar/spelling?

I see what you did there! Trying to out Remus, Remus.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:48 am

stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:What's the "triggercut" rule?

It's bothering me that, unless a rebel screws up, our lynch today is inevitably going to be 95% guess, and given that imperials outnumber rebels, we're probably going to miss. But then there isn't really any way around that that I can see.
welcome to day 1.

triggercut rule: retaliation vote on someone voting for him with the reasoning that triggercut knows he's good so the one voting for him could be bad or is not helping the good side win.
Lassr

Lassr Rule - A Helpful Lassr is and Evil Lassr.

Plus, if stessier is a rebel then of course he would view me as evil. As I am part of the evil Empire as they like to call us.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:19 pm

Lassr wrote:Plus, if stessier is a rebel then of course he would view me as evil. As I am part of the evil Empire as they like to call us.

And how do you know what they like to call us? Evidence mounting!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:38 pm

coopasonic wrote:
Lassr wrote:Plus, if stessier is a rebel then of course he would view me as evil. As I am part of the evil Empire as they like to call us.
And how do you know what they like to call us? Evidence mounting!

Social networking and spies my dear coop. You seem to not know how the Empire works...

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:43 pm

coopasonic wrote:I'm not falling into the CG trap.

Reading along or supplied by partners?

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:14 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
coopasonic wrote:I'm not falling into the CG trap.
Reading along or supplied by partners?

If I understand your question, I read the entirety of the last BSG game thread and some of the spoiler forum thread.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:20 pm

coopasonic wrote:If I understand your question, I read the entirety of the last BSG game thread and some of the spoiler forum thread.

That's way more than every player who was actually in the Game.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:26 pm

Lassr wrote:
coopasonic wrote:
Lassr wrote:Plus, if stessier is a rebel then of course he would view me as evil. As I am part of the evil Empire as they like to call us.
And how do you know what they like to call us? Evidence mounting!
Social networking and spies my dear coop. You seem to not know how the Empire works...

Wouldn't the rebels rely on the social networking and spies within the Empire? Seems to me you are describing the rebel means of acquiring evidence.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:37 pm

Ask yourself: who's the guy that absolutely begs to be consider our resident WW Rebel.

Then place your vote.

Scoop

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:48 pm

withdraw theohall

grund

less art more analysis...

Kind of a slow start eh? Not many folks have popped in. Was tempted to throw a vote on proner, but i see he's shown up.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:55 pm

This has to be corrected.

RMC

Just because.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:01 pm

Newcastle wrote: grund

less art more analysis...

Kind of a slow start eh? Not many folks have popped in. Was tempted to throw a vote on proner, but i see he's shown up.

His lack of participation is a big part of what makes me think he's a rebel, he has another outlet for his game analysis and planning. One assumes there is much more to talk about on the rebel forum where there is actual information available to put together with what is being said here. Pulling puppet strings is keeping him busy and out of this thread.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:05 pm

Unagi wrote:Ask yourself: who's the guy that absolutely begs to be consider our resident WW Rebel.

Then place your vote.

Scoop

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:13 pm

coopasonic wrote:Pulling puppet strings is keeping him busy and out of this thread.

Interesting.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:14 pm

coopasonic wrote:
Newcastle wrote: grund

less art more analysis...

Kind of a slow start eh? Not many folks have popped in. Was tempted to throw a vote on proner, but i see he's shown up.
His lack of participation is a big part of what makes me think he's a rebel, he has another outlet for his game analysis and planning. One assumes there is much more to talk about on the rebel forum where there is actual information available to put together with what is being said here. Pulling puppet strings is keeping him busy and out of this thread.

coopasonic, I understand the decision to go after Grund. Suggestion... go back and look at recent games. Grundbegriff has been very quiet for large chunks of time during Day Ones, then becomes verbose the closer we get to a deadline. Not saying the vote is wrong, but your reasoning for the vote - lack of participation is faulty. I've been using that as an excuse in past games and was wrong most of the time.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:19 pm

Scoop.

He also is well known for wanting to join the "wolf" team when ever he can.
Additionally, he loves to muck around with imaginary role assignments, regardless of what team he's on - that's not going to be helpful in a game like this...
Oh - and he did sorta start this game about as sober as Scoop ever does. (not in that Semaj sober way, which, btw, is also really standing out to me right now) .

So, yeah.

If I had to put a few VERY early guesses down, I'd say:
Scoop
Lassr
Semaj

tru1cy with his quick vote on me also sorta looked a little sneaky... clearly -not much to go on there, but that in itself....

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:20 pm

theohall wrote:
Lassr wrote:
coopasonic wrote:
Lassr wrote:Plus, if stessier is a rebel then of course he would view me as evil. As I am part of the evil Empire as they like to call us.
And how do you know what they like to call us? Evidence mounting!
Social networking and spies my dear coop. You seem to not know how the Empire works...
Wouldn't the rebels rely on the social networking and spies within the Empire? Seems to me you are describing the rebel means of acquiring evidence.

tit for tat. You think we the Empire do not have agents out in the field trying our best to quell the rebellion? I find your lack of faith disturbing. (That is simply a quote! No hint about my role!)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:20 pm

Remus West wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Pulling puppet strings is keeping him busy and out of this thread.
Interesting.

I'll bite.

In what way?

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:22 pm

theohall wrote:
coopasonic wrote:
Newcastle wrote: grund

less art more analysis...

Kind of a slow start eh? Not many folks have popped in. Was tempted to throw a vote on proner, but i see he's shown up.
His lack of participation is a big part of what makes me think he's a rebel, he has another outlet for his game analysis and planning. One assumes there is much more to talk about on the rebel forum where there is actual information available to put together with what is being said here. Pulling puppet strings is keeping him busy and out of this thread.
coopasonic, I understand the decision to go after Grund. Suggestion... go back and look at recent games. Grundbegriff has been very quiet for large chunks of time during Day Ones, then becomes verbose the closer we get to a deadline. Not saying the vote is wrong, but your reasoning for the vote - lack of participation is faulty. I've been using that as an excuse in past games and was wrong most of the time.

If I see a better place for my vote I'll reconsider. At this point, there is no credible information to go on. It's almost entirely random, baseless finger-pointing.

Are LM, CR and RMC the only ones left who have pointed no random, baseless fingers yet?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:36 pm

Pr0ner hasn't gone all j'accuse that I can find.

bb2112 wrote:Votes

1 Lassr -----------------> Qantaga
2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- > Unagi
4 Remus West ---------> Mr Bubbles
5 Qantaga --------------> Tru1cy
6 Newcastle ------------> Theohall, Grundbegriff
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------> Semaj
8 Theohall --------------> Unagi, RMC
9 Chaosraven ---------->
10 Scoop20906 ----------> Qantaga, Remus West
11 Coopasonic -----------> Grundbegriff
12 El Guapo --------------> Lassr
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
14 Stessier ---------------> Remus West, Lassr
15 Unagi ------------------> Kenetickid, Scoop20906
16 Pr0ner ----------------->
17 Semaj -----------------> Mr Bubbles
18 Kenetickid ------------> Remus West
19 Triggercut ------------> Scoop20906
20 Isgrimnur -------------> Newcastle
21 Grundbegriff ---------> El Guapo

Lassr 2 -----------------> El Guapo, stessier
Mr Bubbles 2 -----------> Remus West, Semaj
Unagi 1 -----------------> Theohall, Tru1cy
Qantaga 1 --------------> Lassr, Scoop20906
Theohall 0 --------------> Newcastle
Newcastle 1 ------------> Isgrimnur
Kenetickid 0 -----------> Unagi
El Guapo 1 -------------> Grundbegriff
Tru1cy 1 ----------------> Qantaga
Remus West 2 ---------> Kenetickid, Stessier, Scoop20906
Grundbegriff 2 ---------> Coopasonic, Newcastle
Semaj 1 -----------------> Mr Bubbles
Scoop20906 2 -----------> triggercut, Unagi
RMC 1 -------------------> Theohall

Majority is 11
Deadline: July 13th 9PM EST

My unofficial update to the vote count.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:41 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Pr0ner hasn't gone all j'accuse that I can find.

Yeah I guess I saw his

to a vote and may have attributed the vote to him. oops.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:23 pm

coopasonic wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Pr0ner hasn't gone all j'accuse that I can find.
Yeah I guess I saw his to a vote and may have attributed the vote to him. oops.

Yeah, I laughed at Unagi's reasoning, but I can't make up my mind on who to randomly accuse yet.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:37 pm

laughed with

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:41 pm

Unagi wrote:laughed with

Laughing at you is more fun.