Missed that. Sorry.triggercut wrote:Scroll up a bit.pr0ner wrote:And who would that be?
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I was thinking Scoop was riled up because of the dick he was working with but just realized that thread in EBG is 6 years old!!! So, he's had time to get over it. Now I'm back to wondering why Scoop was so agitated over that joke. Just sooo uncharacteristic for fun loveable Scoop.
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Scoop gets VERY annoyed when he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar.Lassr wrote:I was thinking Scoop was riled up because of the dick he was working with but just realized that thread in EBG is 6 years old!!! So, he's had time to get over it. Now I'm back to wondering why Scoop was so agitated over that joke. Just sooo uncharacteristic for fun loveable Scoop.
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I'm leaving my vote on Scoop.
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He's insulted, obviously. Just like saying Unagi has to die before the last day...
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I've also seen Scoop show this level of flustered-ness when he was a goodguy and was about to swing. Maybe not as often, but I've seen it.
One thing: if Scoop is Rebel, then we may get a two-fer on Coopasonic.
One thing: if Scoop is Rebel, then we may get a two-fer on Coopasonic.
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I don't see a difference between Scoop's behavior when he's evil and his behavior when he's good. Usually when he's tagged or outed, it's because of either a blunder or a deduction.
triggercut: If you suspect coopasonic, why are you voting against KineticKid. And totally apart from coopasonic, why are you voting against KineticKid?
triggercut: If you suspect coopasonic, why are you voting against KineticKid. And totally apart from coopasonic, why are you voting against KineticKid?
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We've been wrong before about scoop. Hell, it happens to me all the time and the train builds. I am not inclined to vote Scoop at this point, but Coop is someone I am watching closely.
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See now Grund got to the question before had a chance, but honestly TC if you have such an issue with Coop why vote for me? All I did was jump the day one bandwagon and now that everyone is pulling off scoop we have gone back where we were at before the wagon got rolling, accusations everywhere and the deadline getting closer.
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The whole "I'm suspicious of A but I've got my eye on B", when fake, is a formula the Evil speaker uses to protect Evil B while achieving plausible deniability if B's alignment is eventually exposed. "See? I had my eye on him!"
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It definitely is.Grundbegriff wrote:The whole "I'm suspicious of A but I've got my eye on B", when fake, is a formula the Evil speaker uses to protect Evil B while achieving plausible deniability if B's alignment is eventually exposed. "See? I had my eye on him!"
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I just went over the roles right and how had some questions about them. This is addressed to BB2112 but also everyone
I noticed a lot of characters in here have relationships: Emperor - mara jade - luke; darth - luke; rukh - thrawn; greedo - han; jabba - han....
now my question is do these roles exists withotu the other? I mean could rukh exist and there be no thrawn? Or maybe Jabba is in the game but there is no han; Or since there is an emperor exists does mara jade exist; and then even then if mara exists, does luke exists? Or if dath is in game is luke? It just seems a lot of their roles is dependant on another player and depend on another to be valued. I mean jabba could be on every single lynch and han could nt be in game and hence he gets not special play.
Some of the evil moves will we get notifciation of them? Specifically Leia's silencing ability. Will we know in game that a player has been silenced? Or will that person go quiet? Is there any limitations with this power?
IF we get no notification we need to start doing checkins.
- is landos power based on him getting lynched? Or can he simply say " i eascape the lynch" and it pushes the game to nightfall?
Yodas & R2d2 vote powers - say a person is n-1 (yodas) or n-3 (r2d2); if either of them place their "vote" then its a lynch right? The reason I ask this, is you say that players wont be notified of the move; but we can deduce what happens by a lynch happening without majority being reached. This is more a clarifiying question.
ANOTHER QUESTIOn
- if someone is shot, do we know wether they are a rebel or imperial? Do we know roles upon death?
thoughts in general-
- from reading this, one thing i am keen on is that there is a good chance we have an abundance of shooters. IF we have a scanner, and they get some quality scans in, we can easily cut the numbers of rebels or suspects down.
- i am fearful of possibly losing mara jade if she is in game. I'd hate to give them a shooter. So emperor do your work and find her for us. And mara dont pull a scoop and go to rebels, like scoop last game. We will let you shoot if you join us, seriously...plus we got pie...lots of pie...and cookies i might add.
- i am deathly afraid of chewy right now, as he could easily go boom on us especially since we tend to throw our votes around willy nilly
-leia's power is murky; i really hope we get notification of
I noticed a lot of characters in here have relationships: Emperor - mara jade - luke; darth - luke; rukh - thrawn; greedo - han; jabba - han....
now my question is do these roles exists withotu the other? I mean could rukh exist and there be no thrawn? Or maybe Jabba is in the game but there is no han; Or since there is an emperor exists does mara jade exist; and then even then if mara exists, does luke exists? Or if dath is in game is luke? It just seems a lot of their roles is dependant on another player and depend on another to be valued. I mean jabba could be on every single lynch and han could nt be in game and hence he gets not special play.
Some of the evil moves will we get notifciation of them? Specifically Leia's silencing ability. Will we know in game that a player has been silenced? Or will that person go quiet? Is there any limitations with this power?
IF we get no notification we need to start doing checkins.
- is landos power based on him getting lynched? Or can he simply say " i eascape the lynch" and it pushes the game to nightfall?
Yodas & R2d2 vote powers - say a person is n-1 (yodas) or n-3 (r2d2); if either of them place their "vote" then its a lynch right? The reason I ask this, is you say that players wont be notified of the move; but we can deduce what happens by a lynch happening without majority being reached. This is more a clarifiying question.
ANOTHER QUESTIOn
- if someone is shot, do we know wether they are a rebel or imperial? Do we know roles upon death?
thoughts in general-
- from reading this, one thing i am keen on is that there is a good chance we have an abundance of shooters. IF we have a scanner, and they get some quality scans in, we can easily cut the numbers of rebels or suspects down.
- i am fearful of possibly losing mara jade if she is in game. I'd hate to give them a shooter. So emperor do your work and find her for us. And mara dont pull a scoop and go to rebels, like scoop last game. We will let you shoot if you join us, seriously...plus we got pie...lots of pie...and cookies i might add.
- i am deathly afraid of chewy right now, as he could easily go boom on us especially since we tend to throw our votes around willy nilly
-leia's power is murky; i really hope we get notification of
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So. Here's what I got:
1. Scoop gets run up the flagpole over a span of 24-36 hours. Goes from 2-4 votes to N-1. As the kids on the internet say, not a single f*** was given. Interesting. Also interesting that at N-1, Scoop didn't swing.
2. coopasonic mentions at one point that we need to be careful with our Scoopvotes, lest we go to close to N and an overvote puts him into the noose. Then coop places the vote for N-1 on Scoop. Puzzling.
3. The only person who really seems to have some heart in backing off Scoop and saying "Maybe not him", is, well, me. That's interesting. I'm Empire.
4. I submit that it is surpassingly difficult to lynch a badguy on Day 1 when there are 2-4 badguys. Today we may be facing 6-8 badguys. I'd submit that it's really, REALLY hard to lynch a badguy today. It is the badguys in a game that help start the train moving downhill on a good lynch bandwagon. Without badguys greasing the tracks (and they won't deliberately throw one of their own under the bus on Day 1) getting that bandwagon is tough without someone giving something away they shouldn't.
5. Occasionally you'll see badguys vote for one another. It's a good play, as it helps obfuscate vote analyzation a bit. In these cases if an actual real bandwagon accidentally starts up, the badguys jump off of it on their partner in crime and try to start a bandwagon on someone else.
6. To follow from point 5, I'm the only one who seems to be actively jumping ship and pointing elsewhere. Again, I'm Empire.
7. Therefore, Scoop seems seemly. For now.
8. To follow from that, if Scoop seems seemly, then I re-examine coopasonic. Coop's vote to go to N-1 seemed, from the text that accompanied it, to be the equivalent of Bugs Bunny testing bombs in the cartoon. Scoop came up "Dud".
Questions:
1. If Scoop's part of the Empire, how the heck did he avoid an overvote?
A: We have at least one EZmated player right now in LordMortis. Yoda, is that you? Also entirely possible that Yoda is not in game, and that R2 is wisely holding his one-time use overvote power in abeyance for later in the game. (3 overvotes represent a little less than 25% of the needed votes to lynch on Day one. By day 3, R2's own vote with 3 overvotes may be 50% of the total needed.)
2. Why Kenetickid?
A: Just threw a name out there, to be honest.
1. Scoop gets run up the flagpole over a span of 24-36 hours. Goes from 2-4 votes to N-1. As the kids on the internet say, not a single f*** was given. Interesting. Also interesting that at N-1, Scoop didn't swing.
2. coopasonic mentions at one point that we need to be careful with our Scoopvotes, lest we go to close to N and an overvote puts him into the noose. Then coop places the vote for N-1 on Scoop. Puzzling.
3. The only person who really seems to have some heart in backing off Scoop and saying "Maybe not him", is, well, me. That's interesting. I'm Empire.
4. I submit that it is surpassingly difficult to lynch a badguy on Day 1 when there are 2-4 badguys. Today we may be facing 6-8 badguys. I'd submit that it's really, REALLY hard to lynch a badguy today. It is the badguys in a game that help start the train moving downhill on a good lynch bandwagon. Without badguys greasing the tracks (and they won't deliberately throw one of their own under the bus on Day 1) getting that bandwagon is tough without someone giving something away they shouldn't.
5. Occasionally you'll see badguys vote for one another. It's a good play, as it helps obfuscate vote analyzation a bit. In these cases if an actual real bandwagon accidentally starts up, the badguys jump off of it on their partner in crime and try to start a bandwagon on someone else.
6. To follow from point 5, I'm the only one who seems to be actively jumping ship and pointing elsewhere. Again, I'm Empire.
7. Therefore, Scoop seems seemly. For now.
8. To follow from that, if Scoop seems seemly, then I re-examine coopasonic. Coop's vote to go to N-1 seemed, from the text that accompanied it, to be the equivalent of Bugs Bunny testing bombs in the cartoon. Scoop came up "Dud".
Questions:
1. If Scoop's part of the Empire, how the heck did he avoid an overvote?
A: We have at least one EZmated player right now in LordMortis. Yoda, is that you? Also entirely possible that Yoda is not in game, and that R2 is wisely holding his one-time use overvote power in abeyance for later in the game. (3 overvotes represent a little less than 25% of the needed votes to lynch on Day one. By day 3, R2's own vote with 3 overvotes may be 50% of the total needed.)
2. Why Kenetickid?
A: Just threw a name out there, to be honest.
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As stated previously, only Emperor Palpatine is guaranteed to be in the game. All other personalities and their relationships / powers based on them are up to chance.Newcastle wrote:I just went over the roles right and how had some questions about them. This is addressed to BB2112 but also everyone
I noticed a lot of characters in here have relationships: Emperor - mara jade - luke; darth - luke; rukh - thrawn; greedo - han; jabba - han....
now my question is do these roles exists withotu the other? I mean could rukh exist and there be no thrawn? Or maybe Jabba is in the game but there is no han; Or since there is an emperor exists does mara jade exist; and then even then if mara exists, does luke exists? Or if dath is in game is luke? It just seems a lot of their roles is dependant on another player and depend on another to be valued. I mean jabba could be on every single lynch and han could nt be in game and hence he gets not special play.
Everyone will be notified if Leia uses her power. As in Lassr's game, it will be hard to not notice someone face down in their Cheerios.Newcastle wrote: Some of the evil moves will we get notifciation of them? Specifically Leia's silencing ability. Will we know in game that a player has been silenced? Or will that person go quiet? Is there any limitations with this power?
IF we get no notification we need to start doing checkins.
Leia Organa: Leia has a stun bot the size of a syringe hidden somewhere on her body. Use your imagination. During the day, one time this game, she can program the bot to fly in and stun one person without revealing her identity. That person will be silenced for the day and the following night, but will wake up the following day cycle. She cannot use this ability on any of the rebel forces.
Lando would have to be lynched for his power to go off. He does not have to say anything, it is automatic and it will go to N.Newcastle wrote: - is landos power based on him getting lynched? Or can he simply say " i eascape the lynch" and it pushes the game to nightfall?
The lynch will happen. You all will be notified of the lynch. It will be obvious by the votes that an overvote happened, but by who is everyone's job to figure out.Newcastle wrote: Yodas & R2d2 vote powers - say a person is n-1 (yodas) or n-3 (r2d2); if either of them place their "vote" then its a lynch right? The reason I ask this, is you say that players wont be notified of the move; but we can deduce what happens by a lynch happening without majority being reached. This is more a clarifiying question.
Everyone will be notified upon a death whether it was an Imperial or Rebel. That is all the information that will be revealed. Of course, others with special powers may be able to figure out more details.Newcastle wrote: ANOTHER QUESTIOn
- if someone is shot, do we know wether they are a rebel or imperial? Do we know roles upon death?
I hope this helps clarify any questions.

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First and foremost; i think everyone should approach the game as if the rebels have their whole tray of powers. Its probably best to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. This is the mindset i am taking into this game. We dont know what we are up against until we face it.
As i reread this, things that pop up:
-cr-remus- KK are allplayful toward each other it seems:
- lot of playful banter around,
-talk of "due" stuff
-train on scoop was really built on superfluous stuff it seems; his past behavior (unagi), next game (stessier). lassar (because)Was it built because he's an easy target at times?; KK hoped on the train "just because".grund & proner, no comment
- his sitting at n-1 i.......,. I wonder if there is a yoda? Maybe yoda didnt want to expose himself now, figuring scoop could be fodder for later? Maybe yoda wasnt around? It would be nice to set someone up by runnning someone up the flagpole and hten not overvoting em. Really makes people suspcious of why they werent voted over. Or then there is the real thing that SCoop is a rebel and yoda ddint want to toss him over board.
- the whole coop thing ...... My impression is that he's an inncoent being caught up in a whirlwind of accusations from more experienced veteran players. I think he's being held to a higher bar that others have set for veteran players OR they might simply be toying with him in order to get him to be the lynchee. It seems he wasnt thinking about the overvote when he placed his n-1 vote; then belatedly realized it post vote. But it wasnt central in his thinking. Just what my gut is screaming at me right now. I think its easy for the vets to run circles around some players. I can just recall saying something, and then it almost seems as if the more I say and defend the more i get accused. thats the vibe i am getting from coop righ tnow. Look at those hammering him - grund, unagi, pretty strong and persuasive vets...
-scoops train reaction - signals exasperation to me. what that means, i dont know; but i read "exasperation" from how the train was built. I'd advise probably a thicker set of skin in these games scoop. You got to somehow lose the emo scoop bit. It sucks to be run up; but as unagi said earlier...we do sign up to do this.
This is my read on folks right now.....
leaning good
triggercut - analytical & engaged, leaning good; serious poking around, something i like to see
Coop - leaning more toward innocent; more newbie not seeing whole picture is the vibe i am getting from him.
murky & unknowns
-lm - around and engaged initially; absent due to break
-semaj - checked in; no read.
kk- around; dont like his rationale for plopping the vote on scoop.
el -guapo - no read yet
CR- around; also playful as well; seriously asking permission to analyze? this from the person who took ky & wd40 into a room with a subdued theo?
stessier - active and thats it; nothing more; i usually expect more from him
grund - around; not much from him; weird commetn about definitely being R2d2 & yoda doesnt sit right; expect more from him
-theohall - present; no read
truicy- wait where's the chatty truicy from previous games
isgrinmur - no read, as stessier i expect usually more analysis from him
-sccop - being his scoopish self; emo-taylor scoop that is
-bubbles - murky again, playful w/ remus
Qantaga - awake and participating near end of scoop lynch train; says nothign really
-proner - wonders about specials being outed
remus - seems very playful; happens to have a handy-dandy proner translator
rmc - comes in with an accusation; seems to dissapear;
Those i am interested in lynching
- unagi - seemed a bit bloodthirsty; started "scoop" train on "baseless" than later on asks people to focus on a few players. That very much bothers me still "focus" on the developed trains. bothers me goes against coop for putting scoop at n-1, which is exactly what unagi wanted to happen, but coop warns everyone he does so
...itchy to get a train voting, then itcy at someone putting "his" victim at n-1.
-lassr - Getting an evil vibe from him; hesuggests Q first (due thign) then follows it with a scoop vote with no realrationale; He's saying a lot, and being active...but he's not saying much if you notice.
truicy - way way too quiet for my tastes, even by his usual standards. I like the truicy of recent games, the oen who is chatty and has somethign to say.
-GRund - be interested in lynching him; i dont liek that r2d2 & yoda comment. he says it w/ certainty.
My vote is staying on unagi
As i reread this, things that pop up:
-cr-remus- KK are allplayful toward each other it seems:
- lot of playful banter around,
-talk of "due" stuff
-train on scoop was really built on superfluous stuff it seems; his past behavior (unagi), next game (stessier). lassar (because)Was it built because he's an easy target at times?; KK hoped on the train "just because".grund & proner, no comment
- his sitting at n-1 i.......,. I wonder if there is a yoda? Maybe yoda didnt want to expose himself now, figuring scoop could be fodder for later? Maybe yoda wasnt around? It would be nice to set someone up by runnning someone up the flagpole and hten not overvoting em. Really makes people suspcious of why they werent voted over. Or then there is the real thing that SCoop is a rebel and yoda ddint want to toss him over board.
- the whole coop thing ...... My impression is that he's an inncoent being caught up in a whirlwind of accusations from more experienced veteran players. I think he's being held to a higher bar that others have set for veteran players OR they might simply be toying with him in order to get him to be the lynchee. It seems he wasnt thinking about the overvote when he placed his n-1 vote; then belatedly realized it post vote. But it wasnt central in his thinking. Just what my gut is screaming at me right now. I think its easy for the vets to run circles around some players. I can just recall saying something, and then it almost seems as if the more I say and defend the more i get accused. thats the vibe i am getting from coop righ tnow. Look at those hammering him - grund, unagi, pretty strong and persuasive vets...
-scoops train reaction - signals exasperation to me. what that means, i dont know; but i read "exasperation" from how the train was built. I'd advise probably a thicker set of skin in these games scoop. You got to somehow lose the emo scoop bit. It sucks to be run up; but as unagi said earlier...we do sign up to do this.
This is my read on folks right now.....
leaning good
triggercut - analytical & engaged, leaning good; serious poking around, something i like to see
Coop - leaning more toward innocent; more newbie not seeing whole picture is the vibe i am getting from him.
murky & unknowns
-lm - around and engaged initially; absent due to break
-semaj - checked in; no read.
kk- around; dont like his rationale for plopping the vote on scoop.
el -guapo - no read yet
CR- around; also playful as well; seriously asking permission to analyze? this from the person who took ky & wd40 into a room with a subdued theo?
stessier - active and thats it; nothing more; i usually expect more from him
grund - around; not much from him; weird commetn about definitely being R2d2 & yoda doesnt sit right; expect more from him
-theohall - present; no read
truicy- wait where's the chatty truicy from previous games
isgrinmur - no read, as stessier i expect usually more analysis from him
-sccop - being his scoopish self; emo-taylor scoop that is
-bubbles - murky again, playful w/ remus
Qantaga - awake and participating near end of scoop lynch train; says nothign really
-proner - wonders about specials being outed
remus - seems very playful; happens to have a handy-dandy proner translator
rmc - comes in with an accusation; seems to dissapear;
Those i am interested in lynching
- unagi - seemed a bit bloodthirsty; started "scoop" train on "baseless" than later on asks people to focus on a few players. That very much bothers me still "focus" on the developed trains. bothers me goes against coop for putting scoop at n-1, which is exactly what unagi wanted to happen, but coop warns everyone he does so
...itchy to get a train voting, then itcy at someone putting "his" victim at n-1.
-lassr - Getting an evil vibe from him; hesuggests Q first (due thign) then follows it with a scoop vote with no realrationale; He's saying a lot, and being active...but he's not saying much if you notice.
truicy - way way too quiet for my tastes, even by his usual standards. I like the truicy of recent games, the oen who is chatty and has somethign to say.
-GRund - be interested in lynching him; i dont liek that r2d2 & yoda comment. he says it w/ certainty.
My vote is staying on unagi
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I was trying to state clearly, this is the N=-1 vote, since it was early in the morning and I didn't want to see someone else think they were just pushing the count closer to N-1 and accidentally lynch. At the time I wasn't even thinking of Yoda.triggercut wrote: 2. coopasonic mentions at one point that we need to be careful with our Scoopvotes, lest we go to close to N and an overvote puts him into the noose. Then coop places the vote for N-1 on Scoop. Puzzling.
I have no idea what that means.triggercut wrote:8. To follow from that, if Scoop seems seemly, then I re-examine coopasonic. Coop's vote to go to N-1 seemed, from the text that accompanied it, to be the equivalent of Bugs Bunny testing bombs in the cartoon. Scoop came up "Dud".
My understanding is we send someone to N-1 and see if they panic and reveal something out of desperation, so I helped send someone to N-1. If someone had said, hey maybe we should just run him up to N-2, you know, because of Yoda I would have gone with that, but I didn't think of it and even if I had, I thought Yoda's power was a one timer so if he used it, it would be gone.
So is the proper strategy N-2? or N-4 due to R2, N-5 due to the combo?
Maybe we should look at who placed that reckless 7th vote.

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Re: Star Wars WW - Day 1
Interestingcoopasonic wrote:At the time I wasn't even thinking of Yoda.
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Re: Star Wars WW - Day 1
Trig is right. When I reached N-1 I should be dead especially after BB explained how he would allow Yoda to PM him with instructions that when a player reach N-1 to activate the over vote.
The only conclusion would be that Yoda isn't in the game and R2D2 either is holding onto his one-time game power or not in the game since I'm empire.
That's actually great news for us.
I'm inclined to agree with most of what trig has said and done this game. If he is a baddie he's done a great job thus far in gaining my trust. After him I can't get a good read on anyone else. I'm watching Unagi carefully and his posts are quite aggressive this game. This has me leaning heavily to a good Unagi this game as well. I just hope he doesn't lock into one read.
So, I think we need to decide on who we need to test today. I still acknowledge I am just as good as anyone to test today. My emo-scoop exasperation was aimed more at a comment then the bandwagon on me. Go back and read the posts if you don't agree and show me where I showed exasperation over the bandwagon.
So, Trig, I'm getting a vibe about Lassr and I'm seeing pr0ner's play as opportunistic. What do you think about testing one of those two today? Actually, that question is for everyone.
The only conclusion would be that Yoda isn't in the game and R2D2 either is holding onto his one-time game power or not in the game since I'm empire.
That's actually great news for us.
I'm inclined to agree with most of what trig has said and done this game. If he is a baddie he's done a great job thus far in gaining my trust. After him I can't get a good read on anyone else. I'm watching Unagi carefully and his posts are quite aggressive this game. This has me leaning heavily to a good Unagi this game as well. I just hope he doesn't lock into one read.
So, I think we need to decide on who we need to test today. I still acknowledge I am just as good as anyone to test today. My emo-scoop exasperation was aimed more at a comment then the bandwagon on me. Go back and read the posts if you don't agree and show me where I showed exasperation over the bandwagon.
So, Trig, I'm getting a vibe about Lassr and I'm seeing pr0ner's play as opportunistic. What do you think about testing one of those two today? Actually, that question is for everyone.
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I'm getting no vibe from me.
My eyes are focused on coop, scoop and Newcastle.
My eyes are focused on coop, scoop and Newcastle.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Re: Star Wars WW - Day 1
Only three things I can think of:triggercut wrote: Questions:
1. If Scoop's part of the Empire, how the heck did he avoid an overvote?
1) Neither R2 or Yoda is in game, assuming Scoop is Empire
2) Scoop is Empire, and neither R2 nor Yoda are in the game or neither was online during the 24ish hour period when Scoop could have swung (this is a serious possibility considering who didn't post at all during that 24ish hour period - suggesting those silents are potential rebels)
3) Scoop is a rebel, the over-votes are in the game and they didn't kill him - whether it be R2 or Yoda. The only catch with Yoda is there was a tiny window when Scoop was at N-1 and I doubt Yoda would do the PM for specific player on Day One that soon. If he didn't to the PM thing, he would've had to be online in a very short time window when most of us are working and several participants have limited access during work hours. (yes - as early as 7am ET is commute/work hours for several of us).
That's all I got, but I am sure there is something I am missing, like always.
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As remus noted earlier, Yoda may simply not wish us the knowledge that he is in the game. As the rebels know 6-8 players and what abilities they have, we have only one piece: there is an Emeror, but not who. If scoop can get to n-1, surely he could hit n.
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I really do not think R2D2 enters into the conversation regarding Scoop. I doubt that R2D2 uses his one time ability on day 1 unless his back is against the wall and there is someone within reach of those three votes causing a lynch elsewhere. Everyday the three votes are not used they become much more powerful - unless we strike him down he will become more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
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Uh, no.Chaosraven wrote:As remus noted earlier, Yoda may simply not wish us the knowledge that he is in the game. As the rebels know 6-8 players and what abilities they have, we have only one piece: there is an Emeror, but not who. If scoop can get to n-1, surely he could hit n.
No way in hell that if Yoda is in game, he holds his overvote out to "keep us in the dark". That's just....it don't make sense, and for many reasons, starting with us not knowing whether the overvote that kills a fellow is Yoda's or Dooku's.
No. That dog don't hunt.
At all.
Yoda may not be in game. He may have already placed a vote on someone else. He may have misunderstood his ability to leave a conditional instruction with the GM.
I will state it emphatically however: he did not hold his vote to deceive the empire into thinking he isn't in play.
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I agree with Trig that it's extremely unlikely that Yoda passed up casting his overvote to keep himself hidden, for the reasons he listed - I'd just never pass up a sure missed lynch if I were a rebel. I just don't think we learn all that much from this n-1 and Yoda thing; I think either Yoda not being online at the relevant time or Scoop being a rebel are both plausible explanations (as is Yoda not being in game). And Remus is right that this tells us even less about R2D2.
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the only reason I could even think that Yoda may hold off and keep his presence a secret is if in the future we run someone up to N-1 and they spill the beans that they are a pivotal role and then we keep him at N-1 while we debate the truth. Then Yoda could pounce because we would think he wasn't in the game.
I don't believe that to be the case either. That is such a small window of opportunity since we often back off anyhow if someone says they are special. If scoop is not a rebel I really see no real reason that Yoda should keep his presence secret. IMHO.
I don't believe that to be the case either. That is such a small window of opportunity since we often back off anyhow if someone says they are special. If scoop is not a rebel I really see no real reason that Yoda should keep his presence secret. IMHO.
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Re: Star Wars WW - Day 1
So, does anyone else find it odd that triggercut is so absolutely certain Yoda would have used his over vote and yet he is not voting against the one player there was a chance at Yoda's vote sending over the edge? Why is Scoop getting a pass if he feels so strongly regarding the hidden extra vote?
I'm not pulling my vote from Scoop as I really think him a good target right now but that combination of claim and inaction really makes triggercut look very bad imo and I will happily switch to him if he gets near the edge.
I'm not pulling my vote from Scoop as I really think him a good target right now but that combination of claim and inaction really makes triggercut look very bad imo and I will happily switch to him if he gets near the edge.
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Odds of both Yoda and R2D2 not being in the game are very slim so if we get a special near the edge we had better back well off right away and debate what to do with their claim while everyone is a safe distance from the edge.Lassr wrote:the only reason I could even think that Yoda may hold off and keep his presence a secret is if in the future we run someone up to N-1 and they spill the beans that they are a pivotal role and then we keep him at N-1 while we debate the truth. Then Yoda could pounce because we would think he wasn't in the game.
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absolutely. If you are special and on the brink of being lynched, it makes for an interesting decision. Announce it quickly (and when they are enough players in the forum) and hope everyone pulls off in time to avoid an overvote or let yourself hang-on the brink and hope the overvote doesn't happen.Remus West wrote:Odds of both Yoda and R2D2 not being in the game are very slim so if we get a special near the edge we had better back well off right away and debate what to do with their claim while everyone is a safe distance from the edge.Lassr wrote:the only reason I could even think that Yoda may hold off and keep his presence a secret is if in the future we run someone up to N-1 and they spill the beans that they are a pivotal role and then we keep him at N-1 while we debate the truth. Then Yoda could pounce because we would think he wasn't in the game.
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Re: Star Wars WW - Day 1
So some analysis. First, let's kick this off with:
Withdraw Lassr
. That was just a random day 1 initial vote, and Lassr's done nothing at all to make me suspicious (and generally the opposite).
Of course we're still working with very little, just assorted inferences from what people have said. That said, some things that made me at least a little suspicious:
1) Scoop - the reaction to what was pretty clearly a joke by pr0ner, which seemed to seriously accuse pr0ner of saying that he wanted an innocent imperial dead. Read a little bit to me like grasping at straws to accuse someone (anyone) of being a rebel. That one of the explanations of him surviving n-1 is that he is a rebel also gives some evidence of rebelitude, even if slight (but what else are we working with at this point).
2) Coop - the "we should be careful about moving someone to n-1, but here I am moving someone to n-1" routine that's been noted already. His explanation is credible, but the "hey, this is what we should do, right?" is a little odd.
3) Kinecitikid - this is a little more vague, but his posts read like someone who is trying ot lay low as much as possible. Posted a "hey, analyzing things, reading things over" post, which (IIRC) wasn't followed up by actual analysis. Came out of the woodwork again a few posts after Trig accused him.
I'll note again that none of this is exactly damning evidence, but like I said we're not working with much at this point, so it's what's available. As such, I could get behind voting for any of the above three at the moment.
I'll go with Scoop
for now for the reasons above plus his accusations / arguments thus far don't really seem to make sense or add up.
Withdraw Lassr
. That was just a random day 1 initial vote, and Lassr's done nothing at all to make me suspicious (and generally the opposite).
Of course we're still working with very little, just assorted inferences from what people have said. That said, some things that made me at least a little suspicious:
1) Scoop - the reaction to what was pretty clearly a joke by pr0ner, which seemed to seriously accuse pr0ner of saying that he wanted an innocent imperial dead. Read a little bit to me like grasping at straws to accuse someone (anyone) of being a rebel. That one of the explanations of him surviving n-1 is that he is a rebel also gives some evidence of rebelitude, even if slight (but what else are we working with at this point).
2) Coop - the "we should be careful about moving someone to n-1, but here I am moving someone to n-1" routine that's been noted already. His explanation is credible, but the "hey, this is what we should do, right?" is a little odd.
3) Kinecitikid - this is a little more vague, but his posts read like someone who is trying ot lay low as much as possible. Posted a "hey, analyzing things, reading things over" post, which (IIRC) wasn't followed up by actual analysis. Came out of the woodwork again a few posts after Trig accused him.
I'll note again that none of this is exactly damning evidence, but like I said we're not working with much at this point, so it's what's available. As such, I could get behind voting for any of the above three at the moment.
I'll go with Scoop
for now for the reasons above plus his accusations / arguments thus far don't really seem to make sense or add up.
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One thing that does give me pause with Scoop, though, is that if he's a rebel, having gotten reasonably close to the brink (and remaining within shot of it), shouldn't his cohorts be out pushing another train? Or would that risk exposing too many rebels too soon?
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Re: Star Wars WW - Day 1
Votes
1 Lassr -----------------> Scoop20906
2 RMC ------------------> Unagi
3 Tru1cy --------------- > Unagi
4 Remus West ---------> Scoop20906
5 Qantaga --------------> Tru1cy
6 Newcastle ------------> Unagi
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------> Semaj
8 Theohall --------------> Tru1cy
9 Chaosraven ---------->
10 Scoop20906 ----------> Pr0ner
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo --------------> Scoop20906
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
14 Stessier ---------------> Scoop20906
15 Unagi ------------------> Scoop20906
16 Pr0ner -----------------> Scoop20906
17 Semaj -----------------> Mr Bubbles
18 Kenetickid ------------> Scoop20906
19 Triggercut ------------> Kenetickid
20 Isgrimnur -------------> Newcastle
21 Grundbegriff --------->
Mr Bubbles 1 <----------- Semaj
Unagi 3 <----------------- Tru1cy, RMC, Newcastle
Newcastle 1 <------------ Isgrimnur
Tru1cy 2 <---------------- Qantaga, Theohall
Semaj 1 <----------------- Mr Bubbles
Scoop20906 7 <---------- Unagi, Stessier, Lassr, Kenetickid, Pr0ner, Remus West, El Guapo
Pr0ner 1 <---------------- Scoop20906
Kenetickid 1 <----------- Triggercut
Majority is 11
Deadline: July 13th 9PM EST
1 Lassr -----------------> Scoop20906
2 RMC ------------------> Unagi
3 Tru1cy --------------- > Unagi
4 Remus West ---------> Scoop20906
5 Qantaga --------------> Tru1cy
6 Newcastle ------------> Unagi
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------> Semaj
8 Theohall --------------> Tru1cy
9 Chaosraven ---------->
10 Scoop20906 ----------> Pr0ner
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo --------------> Scoop20906
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
14 Stessier ---------------> Scoop20906
15 Unagi ------------------> Scoop20906
16 Pr0ner -----------------> Scoop20906
17 Semaj -----------------> Mr Bubbles
18 Kenetickid ------------> Scoop20906
19 Triggercut ------------> Kenetickid
20 Isgrimnur -------------> Newcastle
21 Grundbegriff --------->
Mr Bubbles 1 <----------- Semaj
Unagi 3 <----------------- Tru1cy, RMC, Newcastle
Newcastle 1 <------------ Isgrimnur
Tru1cy 2 <---------------- Qantaga, Theohall
Semaj 1 <----------------- Mr Bubbles
Scoop20906 7 <---------- Unagi, Stessier, Lassr, Kenetickid, Pr0ner, Remus West, El Guapo
Pr0ner 1 <---------------- Scoop20906
Kenetickid 1 <----------- Triggercut
Majority is 11
Deadline: July 13th 9PM EST
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Look at this:
30 Scoop20906
30 Lassr
25 triggercut
22 coopasonic
21 Unagi
19 theohall
19 Chaosraven
17 Remus West
16 Grundbegriff
11 pr0ner
11 Newcastle
10 El Guapo
10 Mr Bubbles
08 stessier
08 Semaj
07 Qantaga
07 Isgrimnur
05 LordMortis
04 RMC
03 Kenetickid
02 tru1cy
30 Scoop20906
30 Lassr
25 triggercut
22 coopasonic
21 Unagi
19 theohall
19 Chaosraven
17 Remus West
16 Grundbegriff
11 pr0ner
11 Newcastle
10 El Guapo
10 Mr Bubbles
08 stessier
08 Semaj
07 Qantaga
07 Isgrimnur
05 LordMortis
04 RMC
03 Kenetickid
02 tru1cy
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Why in the hell would Dooku throw his extra vote? 'proving' himself with it makes sense. Throwing mud in the water (gee was it yoda or dooku?) against a player he has no actual knowledge of (unlike Yoda) is just silly.
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"I don't know," Snufkin replied.
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Maybe I'm too tired, but I don't follow this.Grundbegriff wrote:Look at this:
30 Scoop20906
30 Lassr
25 triggercut
22 coopasonic
21 Unagi
19 theohall
19 Chaosraven
17 Remus West
16 Grundbegriff
11 pr0ner
11 Newcastle
10 El Guapo
10 Mr Bubbles
08 stessier
08 Semaj
07 Qantaga
07 Isgrimnur
05 LordMortis
04 RMC
03 Kenetickid
02 tru1cy
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That's how many posts each person has made in this thread up to the point at which I posted the list.
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I think your post had a dearth of words and explanatory text, just numbers, and was misleading.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Excuse me. Potentially misleading. 

It's almost as if people are the problem.
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with no judgements placed on the number of posts, how is factual info 'misleading'?Isgrimnur wrote:Excuse me. Potentially misleading.
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Isgrimnur wrote:I think your post had a dearth of words and explanatory text, just numbers, and was misleading.

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He's joking about something from another thread.Chaosraven wrote:with no judgements placed on the number of posts, how is factual info 'misleading'?Isgrimnur wrote:Excuse me. Potentially misleading.