Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:51 am

Newcastle wrote:if someone else counter claims, we let the night kills do the talking. We let them both live. No way rebels let the emperor live. I Much rather we dictate their night kills then us do the dirty work.

Do we even want a counter claim? With a mess of Rebels wandering around, isn't there some sense in the true Emperor (if not Scoop) keeping his head down and getting more intel before forcing the face off?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:51 am

stessier wrote:It just strikes me as very odd that we managed to pick our Seer as our Day 1 lynch in two games. We can't find a Bad Guy, but we can find our Best Guy twice? What are the odds?

He could be trying to draw the Emperor out of the shadows, if so, the Emperor must decide if this target is worth his sacrifice. I say no, if he is the Emperor then the rebels must eliminate him.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:53 am

Unagi wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Yeah, that's a fair point. FWIW the quote didn't strike me as an obvious hint at the time, since it fit well into the discussion (i.e. "so pick someone we should lynch!") Might be a hint, might not be.
Oh really?? See - it stood out to me as a very weird quote to pluck out at the time.

In fact. What are you even trying to say: "it fit well into the discussion".

Did it? It didn't fit into the discussion at all.

Go back and re-read it, it was a totally random quote that didn't apply at all to what Remus was saying:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:Scoop, pr0ner was saying that if you are Empire it would be in the best interest of the Empire to kill you because you would make such an epic mistake it would doom us all (maybe he thinks he is killing the guy who designed a moon-sized space station that a single fighter could blow up). He was also saying that if you are a Rebel we should let you live as you would doom them all. I think it was a joke. Which in and of itself is weird from him but is hardly a slip of the nature you are trying to describe it as.
You would prefer another target? A military target? Then name the player!

I grow tired of asking this. So it'll be the last time. Who is the hidden rebel?

Still, its good to see you sticking up for pr0ner, Remus. That will be useful info later.

I'm starting to think that Scoop wasn't sure what special he felt like claiming. In fact, he could be Obi-wan, and was prepared to fake being Tarkin.

Ok, it's not as good a fit as I recall. But in any event when I read it I took it as "so who would you want to lynch?"

In any event what matters now is whether anyone disputes his claim.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:53 am

If Scoop is now 'off the table'... I can tell you I will not participate in the Witch Hunt on CR (I don't at all think the Dooku thing was 'a slip', as I've stated).

KK anyone? Give him time to make his new game?

Scoop - would you join a KK vote?
CR - would you?
trig?
Newcastle?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:55 am

El Guapo wrote:In any event what matters now is whether anyone disputes his claim.

No. If this is a fake-claim, it would be a major mistake for our Emperor to come forward and counter it right now.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:56 am

El Guapo wrote:I think it's pretty clear that if no one else claims emperor, then we don't lynch Scoop. If someone else does, then we choose between them.

I stongly recommend that if no one else comes forward before (say) 2 or so eastern, those on Scoop move off. I'd recommend Chaos, BUT that's up to you of course.

There's a potential issue here if Scoop is not the Emperor and if the Emperor cannot access the internet at work (though really, if anyone can the emperor can). BUT worst case scenario then Scoop is a day 2 lynch at the latest.

I'm not clear that we're going to have everyone check in before 21:00 Eastern much less put together another non Scoop vote... Which is not to say we lynch Scoop, though my vote's not moving for the moment. CR said he'd check in after he got off work if there was time. Do we wait for that? Do we count on people voting someone else down?

Just not a fan of the last minute decision making.

Right now, if I were to move it'd probably be to kk, q, Mr b, cr, and maybe even t1 but the last game I was in showed that sort of list to be an unfathomable list of the good guy specials all hiding exactly where the bad guys should have been.

Anyhoo, I'm with crowd. CR can go but he's already said he won't be by to defend himself until right when the chariot is to turn into a pumpkin.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:56 am

stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:if someone else counter claims, we let the night kills do the talking. We let them both live. No way rebels let the emperor live. I Much rather we dictate their night kills then us do the dirty work.
Do we even want a counter claim? With a mess of Rebels wandering around, isn't there some sense in the true Emperor (if not Scoop) keeping his head down and getting more intel before forcing the face off?

If there scoop is spoofing, then we dont want a counter claim now, that's obvious of course...you're right. My larger point was we let the night kills do the talking. If scoop is not the emperor, i'd say the real emperor lay low and we'll see what happens. No way, no way the rebels keep teh emperor out there and known.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:58 am

Unagi wrote:
El Guapo wrote:In any event what matters now is whether anyone disputes his claim.
No. If this is a fake-claim, it would be a major mistake for our Emperor to come forward and counter it right now.

This is a fair point. But what now? Lynch and risk killing the emperor? I'm not thrilled about the prospect either.

I could do KK. Honestly amongst the silents I'd still prefer tru1cy based on his lurking, suspicious, and unhelpful conduct (plus he has at least 1 or 2 votes already on him).

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:59 am

I'm not voting Chaos.

Let's go with KK and see what happens.

KineticKid

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:00 pm

Newcastle wrote:
stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:if someone else counter claims, we let the night kills do the talking. We let them both live. No way rebels let the emperor live. I Much rather we dictate their night kills then us do the dirty work.
Do we even want a counter claim? With a mess of Rebels wandering around, isn't there some sense in the true Emperor (if not Scoop) keeping his head down and getting more intel before forcing the face off?
If there scoop is spoofing, then we dont want a counter claim now, that's obvious of course...you're right. My larger point was we let the night kills do the talking. If scoop is not the emperor, i'd say the real emperor lay low and we'll see what happens. No way, no way the rebels keep teh emperor out there and known.

I wonder though if the rebels might gamble on letting the emperor live, figuring that by not killing him they'll make Scoop look fake, ending up with a day 2 lynch of him. If scoop isn't faking, that is.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:01 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Newcastle wrote:
stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:if someone else counter claims, we let the night kills do the talking. We let them both live. No way rebels let the emperor live. I Much rather we dictate their night kills then us do the dirty work.
Do we even want a counter claim? With a mess of Rebels wandering around, isn't there some sense in the true Emperor (if not Scoop) keeping his head down and getting more intel before forcing the face off?
If there scoop is spoofing, then we dont want a counter claim now, that's obvious of course...you're right. My larger point was we let the night kills do the talking. If scoop is not the emperor, i'd say the real emperor lay low and we'll see what happens. No way, no way the rebels keep teh emperor out there and known.
I wonder though if the rebels might gamble on letting the emperor live, figuring that by not killing him they'll make Scoop look fake, ending up with a day 2 lynch of him. If scoop isn't faking, that is.

There are 21 people. You suggest we'd kill a potential faker to the throne on Day 2?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:01 pm

Another thing about the emperor coming out is that (unless I'm reading the rules wrong), we can't actually protect him and get a scan, because of Han. Han can disrupt the protection mechanism. So if Scoop's the emperor, all the rebels have to do is use Han and then they can kill him.

So if Scoop's the emperor, we're pretty much boned on that front.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:02 pm

Lassr wrote:I have a bad feeling about this...

Hmmm.... Luke, Han x2, Leia, C3PO, and Obi-Wan....

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:03 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Also it's "Sidious", my lord.
Lol. Can you give a pass? I'm doing all this over the AT&T network.

Pretty fancy stuff.

Did you pick that color from the iPhone's native interface to these forums? I have trouble with that.

I'm just saying Scoop - you started this game with the big warning that you could hardly even keep up - let alone comment and post from work... Now you have this glorious post that you are the Emperor - and well, that just kinda stands out to me. It's a Great Post - and well...

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:03 pm

stessier wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Newcastle wrote:
stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:if someone else counter claims, we let the night kills do the talking. We let them both live. No way rebels let the emperor live. I Much rather we dictate their night kills then us do the dirty work.
Do we even want a counter claim? With a mess of Rebels wandering around, isn't there some sense in the true Emperor (if not Scoop) keeping his head down and getting more intel before forcing the face off?
If there scoop is spoofing, then we dont want a counter claim now, that's obvious of course...you're right. My larger point was we let the night kills do the talking. If scoop is not the emperor, i'd say the real emperor lay low and we'll see what happens. No way, no way the rebels keep teh emperor out there and known.
I wonder though if the rebels might gamble on letting the emperor live, figuring that by not killing him they'll make Scoop look fake, ending up with a day 2 lynch of him. If scoop isn't faking, that is.
There are 21 people. You suggest we'd kill a potential faker to the throne on Day 2?

It'd be risky, but I wonder if they might try it to get us to do their dirty work for them. Maybe counting a day 2 lynch would be a bit ballsy though, I suppose.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:03 pm

El Guapo wrote:Another thing about the emperor coming out is that (unless I'm reading the rules wrong), we can't actually protect him and get a scan, because of Han. Han can disrupt the protection mechanism. So if Scoop's the emperor, all the rebels have to do is use Han and then they can kill him.

So if Scoop's the emperor, we're pretty much boned on that front.

IF Han Solo is in the game.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:04 pm

no way they let the real emperor live. If scoop is spoofing, obviously they know. They go after him. If he's alive tomorrow we seriously have to consdider lynching him. If he's alive on day 3, he's a lock lynch.

My vote is stickign with CR right now. I'd only consider switching if its a silent...because as unagi has astutely pointed out...they arent helping.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:08 pm

theohall wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Another thing about the emperor coming out is that (unless I'm reading the rules wrong), we can't actually protect him and get a scan, because of Han. Han can disrupt the protection mechanism. So if Scoop's the emperor, all the rebels have to do is use Han and then they can kill him.

So if Scoop's the emperor, we're pretty much boned on that front.
IF Han Solo is in the game.

Yes, you're right - if he's in the game. Though *some* of the rebels have to be in the game.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:08 pm

If the Emperor gets killed at night - does he have time to scan and tell the results before he gets killed?

Edit: from the rules, apparently not.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:09 pm

...

Chaosraven

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:12 pm

Those of you who have pulled off Scoop should cast a new vote, most likely from the following:

(1) Chaos - our most likely lynch alternative at this point;
(2) KK (possibly tru1cy) - our "silent" lynch alternative; or
(3) Scoop - if you think he's faking.

I'd recommend #1 myself, but we need to get voting.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:13 pm

Unagi, I'd vote for anyone except trig today. I still think chaos is the best choice but will switch if needed to.

However, I need to get back to work and stop running over to the window to get signal so I won't be posting much until this evening.

Also, Unagi, I created the image link last night and emailed it to myself just in case the votes started to pile on again. I was really hoping to remain unknown today but it just didn't happen. Once I saw I was close to n-3 I knew I had to out myself.

Now my only hope is to find Mara jade and make her a thrall of the empire.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:20 pm

stessier wrote:
There are 21 people. You suggest we'd kill a potential faker to the throne on Day 2?

It's not a matter of how many people, it's a matter how how many misses and how much you faith you put in the potential faker. If the game was designed for three to four misses then if you suspect a faker then he ought to go by day 3 unless we've rooted out other rebels. This does not take into account the potential for a wookie or how an overvote can change the game.

If R2 and yoda are in the game, even without luke converting Mirror mirror or chewie ripping off an arm, that means

rebels are likely to win going into a night cycle at 15. They could force that night cycle with an overvote, meaning that would be likely to win going into a night cycle at 17. They can force a one time overvote with R2, meaning that they can set up the win going into a night cycle at 19. Things only get worse from there, except that we seem to have a lot of guns.

Me? At this point if I put any faith in Scoop then I put all of my faith in Scoop. I'm not sure I'm ready to give him that faith, either way it may be time to update the resume.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:22 pm

Unagi wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Also it's "Sidious", my lord.
Lol. Can you give a pass? I'm doing all this over the AT&T network.
Pretty fancy stuff.

Did you pick that color from the iPhone's native interface to these forums? I have trouble with that.

I'm just saying Scoop - you started this game with the big warning that you could hardly even keep up - let alone comment and post from work... Now you have this glorious post that you are the Emperor - and well, that just kinda stands out to me. It's a Great Post - and well...

I had some time to prepare for this post since I've been on the edge for a while. And yes using this browser is a pain in the ass. The only improvement is my spelling.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:24 pm

Craziness.

Thanks to what I'm sure was a strong Rebel presence, Scoop goes to the brink and has to reveal his role.

And then what? Folks pull their votes off and there's a significant population of:

"We were totally wrong about Scoop and nearly lynched the Emperor on day 1...but we refuse to consider Chaosraven as a viable target. Let's vote for someone else (who is in the Empire/or who we can create no consensus on and go to the night without a lynch which also helps us Rebels out.)"

Just another log for the fire creating all that swirling smoke that indicts CR to me.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:30 pm

No, you were wrong the other way and SCOOP is lying. He is indeed a Rebel.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:30 pm

Kinda want to off the silent, instead, but in the interest of actually lynching someone...

Chaosraven

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:32 pm

He didn't even list the right Name, people.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:34 pm

triggercut wrote:BTW--we may now find out if R2 is in game....just sayin'.

Yeah. Just like if somebody gave away who they were at 8 votes.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:39 pm

Chaosraven wrote:No, you were wrong the other way and SCOOP is lying. He is indeed a Rebel.

If that's a counter claim, I'll be happy to pull my vote off you.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:44 pm

triggercut wrote:Craziness.

Thanks to what I'm sure was a strong Rebel presence, Scoop goes to the brink and has to reveal his role.

And then what? Folks pull their votes off and there's a significant population of:

"We were totally wrong about Scoop and nearly lynched the Emperor on day 1...but we refuse to consider Chaosraven as a viable target. Let's vote for someone else (who is in the Empire/or who we can create no consensus on and go to the night without a lynch which also helps us Rebels out.)"

Just another log for the fire creating all that swirling smoke that indicts CR to me.

What happened to all of the yoda talk and with Scoop being pushed to the bring before? CR doesn't get a pass but if we were playing batman you would surely be Harvey Dent.

Also CR in on, so that's good enough for me.

chaosraven

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:48 pm

triggercut wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:No, you were wrong the other way and SCOOP is lying. He is indeed a Rebel.
If that's a counter claim, I'll be happy to pull my vote off you.

Yes it is. I am EMPEROR PALPATINE.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:49 pm

Well ok then! We got us a Rebel!

One way or the other...

Withdraw Chaosraven

So, back to Scoop?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:49 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
triggercut wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:No, you were wrong the other way and SCOOP is lying. He is indeed a Rebel.
If that's a counter claim, I'll be happy to pull my vote off you.
Yes it is. I am EMPEROR PALPATINE.

You serious here?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:51 pm

BB2112:

Night: Events happen in turn order
Boba Fett: Who will you protect (once per game)? If successful, you get a free scan the next day.
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Who is worthy of your protection tonight?
Grand Moff Tarkin: Who of the deceased will you scan to learn their true identity?
Han Solo: Will you initiate a block? If so on who?
Rebels: Who will you kill?
Jabba the Hutt: Did you help lynch Solo? If so, then you get a free scan. You will be notified by PM from the moderator.
Emperor: Who will you scan to discern their identity?
Luke Skywalker: Who will you scan for Vader or Mara?
Vader: Who will you scan for Luke?
Rukh: Who will you scan for Thrawn?
Obi Wan Kenobi: Who of the deceased will you scan to learn their true identity?
Talon Karrde: Who will you scan to discern their identity?

I assume the order means that even if Thrawn and Boba Fett exist, Han cancels protection on PlayerX?
Also, if the Rebels kill me, I don't successfully scan Mara, right?

Luke Skywalker: Who will you scan for Vader or Mara?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:52 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
triggercut wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:No, you were wrong the other way and SCOOP is lying. He is indeed a Rebel.
If that's a counter claim, I'll be happy to pull my vote off you.
Yes it is. I am EMPEROR PALPATINE.
You serious here?

Yes. Hence my anger at being run up the flagpole for a "rebel slip"

Being as good a target as any on Day One is fine.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:53 pm

So who wasn't voting for Scoop?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:54 pm

So, either scoop or Chaosraven is rebel. Awesome.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:54 pm

Problem--

We must lynch either Chaosraven or Scoop TODAY. Binary choice.

I have withdrawn my CR vote for the time being, but his counterclaim reeks to high heaven.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:54 pm

Withdraw Chaosraven

Tru1cy