Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:55 pm

Just wanted to get my vote off Chaosraven for the time being. Tru1cy's a comfortable landing spot that I'd be fine with lynching anyhow, but mostly a parking spot.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:57 pm

triggercut wrote: We must lynch either Chaosraven or Scoop TODAY. Binary choice.

Is it, though? There's also been the suggestion of running a quiet person out (probably KK or tru1cy), and getting more information from the night kill. With the two emperors around, it might be doable to get all of the imperials on both to move to one quiet person.

Quick, let's ask the emperor something that only the real emperor would know!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:58 pm

Run #1

13 Lord Mortis ----------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

Lassr 1 <----------------- El Guapo
Mr Bubbles 1 <----------- Semaj
Unagi 3 <----------------- Tru1cy, RMC, Newcastle
Newcastle 1 <------------ Isgrimnur
Tru1cy 1 <---------------- Qantaga
Remus West 1 <--------- Scoop20906
Semaj 1 <----------------- Mr Bubbles
Scoop20906 8 <---------- Unagi, Stessier, Lassr, Kenetickid, Chaosraven, Pr0ner, Remus West, Coopasonic, theohall
Isgrimnur 1 <------------- Triggercut

======================

Run #2

Unagi 1 <----------------- Tru1cy
Tru1cy 2 <---------------- Qantaga, Grundbegriff
Semaj 1 <----------------- Mr Bubbles
Scoop20906 7 <---------- Stessier, Lassr, Pr0ner, Remus West, Lord Mortis, Semaj, Chaosraven
Triggercut 2 <----------- Isgrimnur, Unagi
Chaosraven 8 <---------- Kenetickid, Triggercut, RMC, Coopasonic, Newcastle, Theohall, Scoop20906, El Guapo

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:59 pm

triggercut wrote:Problem--

We must lynch either Chaosraven or Scoop TODAY. Binary choice.

I have withdrawn my CR vote for the time being, but his counterclaim reeks to high heaven.

Sure does.

On the bright side, you lynch me and get an EMPIRE result, you know Scoop is a Rebel.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:00 pm

remove CR

great, just great...upside we got a rebel...downside we lose our seer tonight.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:01 pm

we lynch neither today. As i said before we let the rebels do the dirty work and kill whomever at night. No way they let the real seer live. Tomorrow we know who to lynch.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:01 pm

withdraw Chaosraven

Dammit! You all are killing me. I have no idea what the heck is going on.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:02 pm

Hopefully Han's not around, but the odds are against that I suppose.

It's also possible that we have Greedo's shot available to us, but that's maybe 50/50 of which emperor he hits. Maybe that's a better day 2 option (if Greedo's in game), but I wanted to mention it.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:03 pm

Newcastle wrote:we lynch neither today. As i said before we let the rebels do the dirty work and kill whomever at night. No way they let the real seer live. Tomorrow we know who to lynch.

So we need to get a new bandwagon going in a hurry, if that's the plan (and I'm open to it). I've started in on tru1cy, but I think KK could work as well.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:03 pm

triggercut wrote:Problem--

We must lynch either Chaosraven or Scoop TODAY. Binary choice.

I have withdrawn my CR vote for the time being, but his counterclaim reeks to high heaven.

If we were going to let scoop live without knowing about chaosraven why would we need to lynch one or the other? The worst case is that you have a rebel cornered while you pump information from both. The moment you fear that you could lose you cap them both.

Personally, if we were going to lynch one, rather than lynch one, I'd shoot one and then lynch the other if necessary. But really, whatever.

At the very least, I'm willing to wait until tomorrow to see what happens.

kinnetikid

I'm back to not loving this whole committing at the last minute thing. But I guess it all worked out in the end last time.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:10 pm

El Guapo wrote:Quick, let's ask the emperor something that only the real emperor would know!

Wewease da empowewh!

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:12 pm

Calculating. (Calculation preliminary result: we're going to get us more than one Rebel from this.)

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:16 pm

KENETEKID

im not sold on scoop being a good guy tho.. in any form

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:16 pm

We need to think of who to lynch now since both CR & Scoop are off teh table and we are going to run up against a deadline by the end of today.

I'd be open to lynching Truicy or KK right now. I'll buy bubbles sick excuse. Proner's been flitting around. Maybe semaj.

Though i think unagi still is at the top of my list, but doubt if a train there can materialize. Maybe Grund since i expect more from him, but thats playing with fire if he turns up good, since he can have a positive impact for us. Lassr has moved back into a more neutral area in my eyes.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:17 pm

Ok, sure.

Withdraw tru1cy

Kinectikid

Ok people, our choice now is basically lynch one of the "emperors", or lynch a quiet person. I'm inclined to think the latter is the better option.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:18 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Run #1

13 Lord Mortis ----------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

Lassr 1 <----------------- El Guapo
Mr Bubbles 1 <----------- Semaj
Unagi 3 <----------------- Tru1cy, RMC, Newcastle
Newcastle 1 <------------ Isgrimnur
Tru1cy 1 <---------------- Qantaga
Remus West 1 <--------- Scoop20906
Semaj 1 <----------------- Mr Bubbles
Isgrimnur 1 <------------- Triggercut

LordMortis, Grundbegriff: no vote
El Guapo, Semaj, Isgrimnur, Qantaga, Mr Bubbles, triggercut: spread
tru1cy, RMC, Newcastle: gathered
(and Remus was being voted for by the Rebel Scoop)

Scoop20906 7 <---------- Stessier, Lassr, Pr0ner, Remus West, Lord Mortis, Semaj, Chaosraven

LordMortis and Semaj join in for second run, with me at 8 Votes.

Run #2

Unagi 1 <----------------- Tru1cy
Tru1cy 2 <---------------- Qantaga, Grundbegriff
Semaj 1 <----------------- Mr Bubbles
Scoop20906 7 <---------- Stessier, Lassr, Pr0ner, Remus West, Lord Mortis, Semaj, Chaosraven
Triggercut 2 <----------- Isgrimnur, Unagi
Chaosraven 8 <---------- Kenetickid, Triggercut, RMC, Coopasonic, Newcastle, Theohall, Scoop20906, El Guapo

tru1cy, Mr Bubbles: single
Qantaga, Grundbegriff, Isgrimnur, Unagi: bunched
Voting for me: kk, triggercut, RMC, Coop, Newcastle, theo (who made Scoop N-1 the previous), El Guapo.

==========================

Now, those voting for me that aren't Rebels have no way of knowing my status. The Rebels know I am not one of them.
So what happened with the pair of Scoop votes?

Scoop20906 9 <---------- Unagi, Kenetickid, Coopasonic, theohall
Scoop20906 7 <---------- Lord Mortis, Semaj,

Stessier, Lassr, Remus West, pr0ner on both

Unagi, kenetickid, Coopasonic, theohall on first but not second.
Lord Mortis and Semaj on second, but not first.

Players on neither:

Grundbegriff
El Guapo
Tru1cy
RMC
Newcastle
Isgrimnur
Qantaga
Mr Bubbles
Triggercut

------------------

Players on neither Scoop Vote, voting for me:

Triggercut, RMC, Newcastle, El Guapo

Players on the n-1, now voting for me:

Scoop ----------- Kenetickid, Coopasonic
Chaosraven ----------- Kenetickid, Coopasonic

===========================

I believe we have Scoop, kenetickid, Coopasonic.

Need Further examination of the Grouping:

Grundbegriff
El Guapo
Tru1cy
RMC
Newcastle
Isgrimnur
Qantaga
Mr Bubbles
Triggercut

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:19 pm

triggercut wrote:Problem--

We must lynch either Chaosraven or Scoop TODAY. Binary choice.

I have withdrawn my CR vote for the time being, but his counterclaim reeks to high heaven.

Why? Let the night time boogie men figure it out.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:20 pm

How much time do we have?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:21 pm

One thing that's giving me pause with Kinectikid now that I think about it - he's had his vote on Chaosraven for awhile now. IF he's a rebel, that strongly suggests that Chaos is empire (and that Scoop is also a rebel). So that basically amounts to believing Chaosraven...in which case isn't Scoop the logical lynch?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:22 pm

Chaosraven wrote:How much time do we have?

9 eastern today, so bout 8 hours.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:22 pm

Chaosraven wrote:How much time do we have?

9 eastern, so a little under eight hours.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:23 pm

Chaosraven wrote:How much time do we have?

9PM EST today.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:23 pm

Triple post!

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:23 pm

I can see waiting til night to see how this plays out.

Kenetickid

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:24 pm

Chaosraven wrote: I believe we have Scoop, kenetickid, Coopasonic.

FWIW if Chaos is telling the truth and is the emperor, this seems like a plausible group of rebels to me. Coop's given me some suspicion a couple times this game.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:29 pm

Let's see if we can actually get someone lynched this time...

Kenetickid

Puts him at 6 votes if I haven't counted wrong (LordMortis, Semaj, El Guapo, pr0ner, stessier, theohall)

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:30 pm

Who does Han have to name as a target for the block to happen?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:30 pm

theohall wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Another thing about the emperor coming out is that (unless I'm reading the rules wrong), we can't actually protect him and get a scan, because of Han. Han can disrupt the protection mechanism. So if Scoop's the emperor, all the rebels have to do is use Han and then they can kill him.

So if Scoop's the emperor, we're pretty much boned on that front.
IF Han Solo is in the game.

Hey look, triggercut. El Guapo just slipped up even worse than Chaosraven. I'm not caught up all the way but why haven't you jumped on him yet?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:31 pm

The good news is that if you are my emperor then you analysis is excellent. If it's a red herring, then who cares.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:31 pm

So the KK train is leaving the station. I strongly recommend that all loyal imperials get on board post haste, or at the very least explain why we should vote for one of the two emperors (and I favor the former).

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:31 pm

El Guapo wrote:One thing that's giving me pause with Kinectikid now that I think about it - he's had his vote on Chaosraven for awhile now. IF he's a rebel, that strongly suggests that Chaos is empire (and that Scoop is also a rebel). So that basically amounts to believing Chaosraven...in which case isn't Scoop the logical lynch?

Depends which viewpoint you subscribe to. There is a Minimum of 1 Rebel between Scoop/Chaosraven. Testing either of us allows a definite answer with 2 deaths.
The Rebels will have to kill me, but by doing so, give the Empire the proof that Scoop is lying (hence the let the Rebels sort it out viewpoint).
Testing someone other than Scoop or myself leaves it up to the Rebels tonight to decide whether to do so.

Now the question you asked about belief... will there be a Majority willing to believe either of us? To the extent of Lynching one of us over the other today?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:32 pm

triggercut wrote:Problem--

We must lynch either Chaosraven or Scoop TODAY. Binary choice.

I have withdrawn my CR vote for the time being, but his counterclaim reeks to high heaven.

We do not have to do anything like lynch either one of them today. Why should we when the Rebels need the true one dead? We can get the pretender later AND use that moment to potentially give us a known via one of our shooters. Hell, if the real one produces a Rebel (non-pretender that is) we can then use the shooter to take that target down and lynch the pretender if they want to risk allowing the real one to live.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:33 pm

truicy

lets see if we can get a train rollin on him as well....though am happy to jump on the KK express. There will be a lynch today.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:34 pm

I can get behind Kenetickid

We lynch the quiet because they're not helping.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:34 pm

I'm enjoying watching Remus work his way through the thread.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:34 pm

Voting is closed

We have gone into night.

Will update soon.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:34 pm

Newcastle wrote: truicy

lets see if we can get a train rollin on him as well....though am happy to jump on the KK express. There will be a lynch today.

As long as you're not leaving your computer soon there's time for this, but I'd be surprised if a tru1cy train got going in time.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:35 pm

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:35 pm

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:35 pm

Kenetickid

I have to try and understand how CRs analysis comes up with me as Rebel so I can argue against it. It is off on me which makes me think it would be off on others as well.