Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:47 pm

meaning me of course.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:56 pm

Newcastle wrote:after all it is a perfect plan...come out "unforced", and seemingly give the imperials a gift...and then oopsie...someone got lycnhed; and it just happened to be thrawn..... ...gosh says elguapo...i sure am wrogn on that....

does no one else see that as a perfect plan?

No. It is a horribly flawed and convoluted plan.

That plan assumes that the Rebels feel that they can trade players with the empire 1:1. I do not think they can do that.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:59 pm

BTW--odds that Remus was stunned today because he's Thrawn or Rukh and was the subject of the Night 2 scan by the Rebels?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:00 pm

Newcastle I've never seen you go the woe is me route. I don't think it's feasible to leave El Guapo or Newcastle alive today to see what the Rebels will do as they will most likely leave them alive.

The Empire's Justice needs to be dispensed and I am leaning to lynching ......

Need another Modelo

bbiab.

Anyone seen Grund?

Grundbegriff

will probably move this vote to either El Guapo or Newcastle

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:03 pm

Thrawn's a protector, no? What possible reason would there be to silence someone during the day when their power is night only?

I'll always admit that Remus is a good target for scans/death, etc, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he was an early scan target.

Silencing Remus is right up there with silencing Grund (usually) but it makes no game-sense to silence a night protector role.

Now if he were known as Rukh, and they feared his shot, sure.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:10 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Thrawn's a protector, no? What possible reason would there be to silence someone during the day when their power is night only?

I'll always admit that Remus is a good target for scans/death, etc, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he was an early scan target.

Silencing Remus is right up there with silencing Grund (usually) but it makes no game-sense to silence a night protector role.

Now if he were known as Rukh, and they feared his shot, sure.

It makes sense if you're planning to spoof his role during the daytime and kill him at night.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:11 pm

tru1cy wrote:Anyone seen Grund?

Grundbegriff

will probably move this vote to either El Guapo or Newcastle

I suppose at this critical moment tru1cy, you have No Fear that Grund is the wookie begging us to put an Imperial Vote on him?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:15 pm

Unagi wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Anyone seen Grund?

Grundbegriff

will probably move this vote to either El Guapo or Newcastle
I suppose at this critical moment tru1cy, you have No Fear that Grund is the wookie begging us to put an Imperial Vote on him?

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:20 pm

triggercut wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Thrawn's a protector, no? What possible reason would there be to silence someone during the day when their power is night only?

I'll always admit that Remus is a good target for scans/death, etc, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he was an early scan target.

Silencing Remus is right up there with silencing Grund (usually) but it makes no game-sense to silence a night protector role.

Now if he were known as Rukh, and they feared his shot, sure.
It makes sense if you're planning to spoof his role during the daytime and kill him at night.

26 minutes from the time El Guapo outs himself to the mod reading/posting Leia's silence. Is that really time for the rebs to discuss and respond to Guapo's accuse especially early morning?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:25 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Thrawn's a protector, no? What possible reason would there be to silence someone during the day when their power is night only?

I'll always admit that Remus is a good target for scans/death, etc, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he was an early scan target.

Silencing Remus is right up there with silencing Grund (usually) but it makes no game-sense to silence a night protector role.

Now if he were known as Rukh, and they feared his shot, sure.

I think you missed something.

The Rules wrote:Leia Organa: Leia has a stun bot the size of a syringe hidden somewhere on her body. Use your imagination. During the day, one time this game, she can program the bot to fly in and stun one person without revealing her identity. That person will be silenced for the day and the following night, but will wake up the following day cycle. She cannot use this ability on any of the rebel forces.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:28 pm

coopasonic wrote:
triggercut wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Thrawn's a protector, no? What possible reason would there be to silence someone during the day when their power is night only?

I'll always admit that Remus is a good target for scans/death, etc, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he was an early scan target.

Silencing Remus is right up there with silencing Grund (usually) but it makes no game-sense to silence a night protector role.

Now if he were known as Rukh, and they feared his shot, sure.
It makes sense if you're planning to spoof his role during the daytime and kill him at night.
26 minutes from the time El Guapo outs himself to the mod reading/posting Leia's silence. Is that really time for the rebs to discuss and respond to Guapo's accuse especially early morning?

It is if:

1. They knew that Newcastle was likely to swing today anyway, and so
2. They were going to need to spoof a role.

It *really* doesn't matter.

Newcastle is a rebel. Starting to think you might be, too.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:38 pm

triggercut wrote:Newcastle is a rebel. Starting to think you might be, too.

I'm just an uninformed n00b trying to figure this stuff out. I've learned my lesson from CR and am no longer pushing other people to vote, but exploring theories and trying to participate in the process sometime playing devil's advocate.

This time I see a real possibility of a grand scheme. If I'm wrong, so be it. Hang me. I just want to make sure we look at all sides before repeating our mistake.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:38 pm

tru1cy wrote:Newcastle I've never seen you go the woe is me route. I don't think it's feasible to leave El Guapo or Newcastle alive today to see what the Rebels will do as they will most likely leave them alive.

dont think i've gone the woe is me route...been tryin to fight this smashing good frame up job...not tryin to do a woe is me route. If it seems that way...i apologize

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:57 pm

theohall wrote:I think you missed something.

You're right, I missed it. Thanks for the clarification.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:25 pm

Unagi wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Anyone seen Grund?

Grundbegriff

will probably move this vote to either El Guapo or Newcastle
I suppose at this critical moment tru1cy, you have No Fear that Grund is the wookie begging us to put an Imperial Vote on him?

Lord Vader I see what you are insinuating, but I left a hint in one of my earlier post about my role.

Newcastle

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:40 pm

Yeah, I'm confident that the reason they used Leia's ability right after I outed her is that at that point they were at risk of losing the ability if they didn't. As soon as I posted, Vader or another shooter could've taken her out at any second.

As to why Remus, there are a number of other explanations. Maybe it's because Remus is a good player and they wanted to silence him. Maybe it's because they scanned him and he's a shooter (that could take out Newcastle). Maybe he's Thrawn/Rukh and they had previously talked about having Newcastle pose as Thrawn. Maybe it's just a convenient target, and they didn't have time to fully discuss it (again, Newcastle could've been shot at any time).

As Trig says, doesn't really matter. Obviously I know the truth anyways, but I think Leia's ability getting used as soon as Leia is put in danger is a pretty good confirmation of my Leia accusation (more plausible than Newcastle's elaborate conspiracy, anyhow). But then, I report, you decide.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:03 pm

Votes Day 3

2 RMC ------------------> Newcastle
3 Tru1cy --------------- > Newcastle
4 Remus West --------->
6 Newcastle ------------> El Guapo
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------> Newcastle
8 Theohall --------------> Newcastle
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo --------------> Newcastle
13 Lord Mortis -----------> Newcastle
15 Unagi ------------------> RMC
16 Pr0ner -----------------> Newcastle
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
19 Triggercut ------------> RMC
20 Isgrimnur -------------> Mr. Bubbles
21 Grundbegriff --------->

Newcastle 7 <------------- Pr0ner, RMC, Theohall, Mr. Bubbles, Lord Mortis, El Guapo, Tru1cy
Mr. Bubbles 1 <----------- Isgrimnur
RMC 2 <------------------- Triggercut, Unagi
El Guapo 1 <-------------- Newcastle

Dead:
1. Chaosraven - Day 1 Lynch
2. Stessier - Night 1 Kill
3. Scoop20906 - Day 2 Lynch
4. Lassr - Night 2 Kill
5. Qantaga - Day 3 Choked by Vader

Majority is 9
Deadline: Monday July 25, 9PM EST

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:10 pm

I think newcastle is full of it, and needs to be lynched. That is where my vote is.

I am not sure what I can do to change the minds of Trig or U, but I am not a rebel.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:59 pm

/yawn
/peeks into thread

"oh joy, i am still alive...."

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Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:02 pm

ok whatever...my emotico-fu fails...

/sigh

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:03 pm

So Trig, you can wrap this up all by yourself, with you and your voodoo ways. I am curious what the case against RMC is, but in any event right now I'd rather get the person who is a confirmed rebel rather than the guy who *might* be a rebel.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:08 pm

there we go this will work...i'm alive! I'm ALIVE! Hopefully you folks will see the error of your ways..and reverse this train back on to the real culprit!

ELGUAPO

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:09 pm

Newcastle 7 <------------- Pr0ner, RMC, Theohall, Mr. Bubbles, Lord Mortis, El Guapo*, Tru1cy
Mr. Bubbles 1 <----------- Isgrimnur
RMC 2 <------------------- Triggercut, Unagi
El Guapo 1 <-------------- Newcastle*

Grund, KK, Coop, Semaj
{Remus}

Proven:
Triggercut
Unagi
Remus
Pending Proven:
El Guapo
Honorary Proven:
Pr0ner
Not as troubled by:
Theohall
Isgrimnur
Semaj
KK
As I am by:
Lord Mortis
Coop
And what is up with this:
Grund
Highly suspected Rebels:
Mr. Bubbles
Tru1cy
RMC
Newcastle*

That's in order.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:10 pm

My logic is no match for the power of the banana dance. Curses!

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:13 pm

El Guapo wrote:My logic is no match for the power of the banana dance. Curses!

the emperor will not be pleased by this......

everyone will feell his wrath in part 2

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:15 pm

And it's color coded! Nice work, Lord Vader.

I'm pretty much on board with your list, except that I'd bump LM up a bit (he seems logical and sensible, though I'm not certain of him). Probably bump coop a bit down towards the red list. Don't have particularly strong readings myself on RMC or Mr. Bubbles, other than them being generally silent, though I should go back and do a read-through on what they've posted (grumble grumble).

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:18 pm

Honorary proven.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:22 pm

pr0ner wrote:Honorary proven.

You're fully proven in my heart, pr0ner.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:34 pm

Oh all right.

Newcastle

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:37 pm

Voting should close when bb picks up the overvote.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:38 pm

/sigh

i warned ya

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:38 pm

I'll report to the emperor what y'all have done....not too late to change your mind sir triggy

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:40 pm

El Guapo wrote:So Trig, you can wrap this up all by yourself, with you and your voodoo ways. I am curious what the case against RMC is, but in any event right now I'd rather get the person who is a confirmed rebel rather than the guy who *might* be a rebel.

I just feel it's curious that Newcastle has totally Ignored Triggercut and my requests to make this day about RMC, don't you?

Wouldn't you, if you were a Busted Leia about to be tossed into the proverbial sarlacc pit, wouldn't you say - "OK, let's test your RMC, and we will see about tonight".

He could proclaim he self protected (and let you live). This is exactly what Newcastle himself is asking for us to do, but he isn't even replying to:

Unagi wrote:
triggercut wrote:So let's set Newcastle aside a moment then.
Newc, care to join me in a vote for:
RMC

?
So, I'd sorta like to go back to this idea.
RMC

Why isn't he? Wouldn't that Save the Protector? So, I know you are on board his being a Rebel, but why is it you don't think that it's interesting that the choice we (Trig and I) presented him isn't being taken.

But the case against RMC begins before that. Primarily it's the manner in which he didn't vote for Scoop and the manner in which he did vote for CR, and the comments he's made, etc.

Regarding LM. I have swung back and forth on him a bit this game. I keep landing on 'no, he kept pushing for Scoop', but then I keep remembering he really thought we should perhaps Shoot Scoop (Han), and he even pointed out how Greedo should be the one to do it. That could be a totally coincidental event, and meaningless - but none-the-less, it keeps bugging me. Add to that, not the timing so much as just the fact that he took any part in that CR vote (which just really seemed so horrible to me, but - clearly Triggercut was all over it, innocently - so I can't really condemn LM for that either.) So, yeah - LM is a wish-washy subject for me this game. If he is a Rebel, he's been pretty ballsy. I don't think that's generally his style. Perhaps we are basically in agreement on LM then, but I can't really write him off. I think he's 7th on my list (bottom - up), which puts him as Rebel#9 to me. (Ha! perhaps he is Mara)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:42 pm

Newcastle wrote:I'll report to the emperor what y'all have done....not too late to change your mind sir triggy

Obviously, it's certainly "possible" you are Empire, but - I gotta tell ya - if you are not a Rebel: my head will explode -and then fill for a huge love for the game and the different way people play it.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:44 pm

Unagi wrote:
Newcastle wrote:I'll report to the emperor what y'all have done....not too late to change your mind sir triggy
Obviously, it's certainly "possible" you are Empire, but - I gotta tell ya - if you are not a Rebel: my head will explode -and then fill for a huge love for the game and the different way people play it.

you mean you dont already love the diversity unagi? ahhhh

/sad face

much love unagi

newcastle

that should be officially 9 y'all

get me off this ship!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:49 pm

triggercut wrote:Voting should close when bb picks up the overvote.

Thank you kindly.

I thought for a little bit about throwing up the

to mess with you guys. But there'll be no surprises here.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:50 pm

El Guapo wrote:
triggercut wrote:Voting should close when bb picks up the overvote.
Thank you kindly.

I thought for a little bit about throwing up the to mess with you guys. But there'll be no surprises here.

no there will be.. I am coming up imperials...and you will have an open rebel to deal with tomorrow...good luck chuck!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:52 pm

Unagi, your post does make a lot of sense - it is indeed curious. It does make me wonder what RMC is doing having voted for Newcastle, though - I guess once it seems like Newcastle might be an inevitability, have one or two rebels join for late game cred?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:53 pm

Newcastle wrote:
Unagi wrote:if you are not a Rebel: my head will explode -and then fill for a huge love for the game and the different way people play it.

you mean you dont already love the diversity unagi? ahhhh

/sad face

much love unagi

You sorta miss-read, I sorta miss-type. First, dude - my head will explode and it needs to refill, don't worry - the love is already there.

(additionally, I think I meant to type "my" in place of "a")
and then fill for [my] huge love for the game and the ... [bunch of freaks playing it]

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:55 pm

/eagerly awaits Unagi's head to EXXXPLODE!