Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:42 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:Life interfered. Looks as if I have a lot of catching up to do!

Unagi is good.
Remus is good.
triggercut is good.
El Guapo is good.

Anyone we know for certain is bad is dead including Leia and Han.

I talk too much, you talk too little. It has us both on the suspect list.

That about sums it up.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:45 pm

Oh, and Qantaga is evil and dead (role unknown), due to a bad case of Vader force-choking.

Also to be clear Coop's not so much on the suspect list for talking too much, but for being on the wrong side of two trains, and saying suspicious-sounding things.

And welcome back!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:47 pm

Unagi, your Tarkin arguments are good. I do think the Chewie information could affect voting patterns, and Chewie/Lando could impact shot analysis (how readily we use it - like, do we shoot or lynch our next suspect?). But it's not critical either way. And like I said, it's not clear to me that Tarkin should publicly reveal the information anyhow. I'd just like to think that someone out there is informed.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:56 pm

Oh, and one other thing I forgot, Grund. It turns out that those weren't the droids that we are looking for.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:10 pm

and don't be confused Grund, this next day is called "Day Four"

That's pronounced just like "for" or "fore"... It's right after "Day 3".

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:50 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:Life interfered. Looks as if I have a lot of catching up to do!

Hey! Glad you're here and hope everything's ok.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:54 pm

El Guapo wrote:Also to be clear Coop's not so much on the suspect list for talking too much, but for being on the wrong side of two trains, and saying suspicious-sounding things.

Scoop20906 9 ----------> Triggercut, Unagi, Stessier, Lassr, Kenetickid, Chaosraven, Pr0ner, Remus West, Grundbegriff, Coopasonic

Lots of good guys on that train with me.

Chaosraven 8 <---------- Kenetickid, Triggercut, RMC, Coopasonic, Newcastle, Theohall, Scoop20906, El Guapo

Bit more mixed on this one, but still a couple of good guys sure screwed the pooch on this one with me.

The second run-up on scoop was uninformative as he was a foregone conclusion. I think I was there though.

Newcastle 8 (early) el guapo, pr0ner, Semaj, tru1cy, RMC, coop, theohall, Mr Bubbles

Actually not much good company on the early run on newcastle. Trig was waiting for a shot. I assume Unagi was pondering his Qantaga move. I bailed after Newcastle counter-claimed.

Newcastle 9 <------------- Pr0ner, RMC, Theohall, Mr. Bubbles, Lord Mortis, El Guapo, Tru1cy, Triggercut

I wasn't on the Newcastle kill because I wanted to go the Rukh route to check Newcastle as Leia was neutered.

All of my votes came in the back half except for CR where I was following Trig's lead.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:03 pm

coopasonic wrote:Actually not much good company on the early run on newcastle. Trig was waiting for a shot. I assume Unagi was pondering his Qantaga move. I bailed after Newcastle began babbling nonsense.

Mortoned.

In any event, I'm just saying it's more than "talking too much." But Grund's going to come to his own conclusions anyhow.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:21 pm

El Guapo wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Actually not much good company on the early run on newcastle. Trig was waiting for a shot. I assume Unagi was pondering his Qantaga move. I bailed after Newcastle began babbling nonsense.
Mortoned.

Kenetickid · Post by **Kenetickid** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:50 pm

Had some IRL stuff pop up. Reading to catch-up. Will vocalize ideas come morning.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:00 pm

Everyone wakes up and gathers around the conference table for the morning ritual. The headcount. Coopasonic quickly counts. “Uh oh, there are only 14 of us gathered. This sucks!”

“It’s Triggercut,” exclaims El Guapo. “I guess we had better find him.”

After a quick search, Triggercut is discovered in one of the stalls in the bathroom. A cord is still dangling from around his neck where he had obviously been choked to death.

Remus West, awake from his long nap looks around and says, “there are few missing faces. Are we winning or losing? You guys better fill me in on what’s been going on.”

Just then Grundbegriff calls out from the gally, “Hey! This milk carton has my picture on it! That is so cool!”

Triggercut is DEAD

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:16 pm

Votes Day 4

2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- >
4 Remus West --------->
7 Mr. Bubbles ---------->
8 Theohall -------------->
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo -------------->
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
15 Unagi ------------------>
16 Pr0ner ----------------->
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur ------------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

Dead:
1. Chaosraven - Day 1 Lynch
2. Stessier - Night 1 Kill
3. Scoop20906 - Day 2 Lynch
4. Lassr - Night 2 Kill
5. Qantaga - Day 3 Choked by Vader
6. Newcastle - Day 3 Lynch
7. Triggercut - Night 4 Kill

Majority is 8
Deadline: Wednesday July 27, 9PM EST

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:22 pm

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:36 pm

Trig's dying wish?

RMC

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:43 am

Actually, I like Grundbegriff, but I will wait for further discussion before dropping a vote. Wondering why Remus wasn't dropped since he stunned

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:26 am

I'm leaning RMC as well, but will wait a bit and I am curious as to what Grund will say. Not too surprised about Trig, so seems pretty standard

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:50 am

tru1cy wrote:Actually, I like Grundbegriff, but I will wait for further discussion before dropping a vote. Wondering why Remus wasn't dropped since he stunned

The kill isn't that puzzling, I think. Trig's a proven, so a sensible target, plus that takes away two votes from the imperials rather than just one. Could be any number of reasons why Remus wasn't killed, plus the rebels may be worrying about Thrawn and playing a guessing game with him (if he's in the game, or at least if the rebels aren't sure if he's in the game or not).

Plus I think the most likely explanation for why Remus was dropped is that the rebels were scrambling after Leia was exposed, wanted to use her abilty, and Remus was as good a target as any.

Anywho, it'll be interesting to hear from the awakened Remus and Grund as well. I'm also planning on doing a read-through today when I have a chance.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:21 am

tru1cy wrote:Wondering why Remus wasn't dropped since he stunned

Ditto. This lends credence to El Guapo not being rebellious (which was already doubtful). And it shows a panic move. Why prove someone as Empire and then not kill them? Even if you feared them being protected. I can't think of a single reason.

I assume that the overvote pissed the rebellion off. Given that, I prefer to go after those not playing ball.

So for now at least RMC

. But I'm happy to go with Unagi or Remus and to a lesser extent El Guapo.

And for those of us who get lost in the sheer numbers of this game and likely to let people slip by unnoticed, realistically,

2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- >
7 Mr. Bubbles ---------->
8 Theohall -------------->
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo --------------> Most probably not
13 Lord Mortis ----------->
16 Pr0ner ----------------->
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur ------------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

The playing field is still deep but things have been looking up. Probably 4 bad guys out of 14 with Mara being a question and luke being an add on question.

Again my feeling is that we go after the people not playing ball to this point and that will be direction I push. Sadly that field is big but RMC is right up there at the top in more ways than one. And if RMC proves to be rebellious, I'll feel better about coop. Of course if he doesn't I'll feel worse about coop.

Also I'm hoping we'll see more opinions laid before Unagi and Remus lay out theirs but that's me.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:24 am

El Guapo wrote:Plus I think the most likely explanation for why Remus was dropped is that the rebels were scrambling after Leia was exposed, wanted to use her abilty, and Remus was as good a target as any.

But why not silence Unagi if you intended to kill trig and knew nothing about remus?

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:25 am

LordMortis wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Plus I think the most likely explanation for why Remus was dropped is that the rebels were scrambling after Leia was exposed, wanted to use her abilty, and Remus was as good a target as any.
But why not silence Unagi if you intended to kill trig and knew nothing about remus?

Because they also knew nothing about Unagi?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:58 am

coopasonic wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Plus I think the most likely explanation for why Remus was dropped is that the rebels were scrambling after Leia was exposed, wanted to use her abilty, and Remus was as good a target as any.
But why not silence Unagi if you intended to kill trig and knew nothing about remus?
Because they also knew nothing about Unagi?

Yeah, don't forget that the Leia ability was used before Unagi had choked a b*tch (just to use a phrase, not to call Qantaga anything), so most likely they knew nothing about Unagi's role and had no particular reason to silence him.

After Remus was stunned, both he and Trig were proven, so Remus being proven by Leia provides no reason to choose Remus over Trig (they're both proven in any event).

Also, they may know something about Remus, if they've scanned him, but who knows.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:22 pm

El Guapo wrote: Unagi had choked a b*tch

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:08 pm

Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:13 pm

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

It's absolutely possible assuming Luke and Mara are in the game and alive. It would have taken some luck to find her since there were so many imperials to start with but it's not impossible.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:20 pm

It's possible, but if Remus were Mara and stunned, it would likely be after a rebel scan that failed. She can't shoot until she's found, so the only reason to silence Mara during the day is fear or knowledge that she's got a shot for the empire.

But then, why eliminate triggercut overnight if the scan failed? I dunno. There's a lot of possibilities floating around, some of which may not even be in play.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:21 pm

Yeah, I think LM noted that possibility before. It's an unlikely string of events, but possible. And really, not only do Luke and Mara have to be in the game, but Talon Karrde does too (because if Luke scanned her, she'd be a rebel right away and so not a target for Leia).

So it's something to have in the back of your head, but I'm not planning on worrying about it unless some actual evidence comes up.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:28 pm

tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory

Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:44 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:It's possible, but if Remus were Mara and stunned, it would likely be after a rebel scan that failed. She can't shoot until she's found, so the only reason to silence Mara during the day is fear or knowledge that she's got a shot for the empire.

But then, why eliminate triggercut overnight if the scan failed? I dunno. There's a lot of possibilities floating around, some of which may not even be in play.

What Guapo said, Karrde would have found her on night 2, Luke would then "find" her on night 3 and convert her. But I promised to stop talking conspiracy theory.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:28 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory
Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.

Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

Mr Bubbles

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:32 pm

So I am the next Rebel? This is my last game all over again, I do a single thing, that I guess are a little guilty looking, and the rebels use that to make me look even more guilty.

I am not a rebel, but I can see how the rebels have done a great job of framing me to look like I am one. By them killing Trig last night, and me being near the top of his list it only makes sense to jump on me.

However, I am not a rebel. Them most damning evidence is that I voted for CR and not for Scoop. I also started voting for Unagi, but I already stated that was more a joke vote from last game.

<shrug> I am not a rebel, and have explained my actions before. I followed Trigs lead in the CR lynch, as I thought he was on to something. I was not online to take my vote off of CR with the double reveal of Scoop and CR, so I could not remove my vote.

I think we need to go back and really evaluate some of Coops 'slips'. I am not saying that he is a rebel, but he has made some slips that if we had not had the bevvy of rebels outed would have warranted him to be checked. I will read over some more and try to bring some of these items to light.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:48 pm

theohall wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory
Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.
Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

Mr Bubbles

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:00 pm

Semaj wrote:
theohall wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory
Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.
Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

Mr Bubbles

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?

Grund, I believe.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:11 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Semaj wrote:
theohall wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory
Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.
Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

Mr Bubbles

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?
Grund, I believe.

Thats what I thought...

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:15 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Semaj wrote:
theohall wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory
Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.
Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

Mr Bubbles

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?
Grund, I believe.

I disagreed with that decision also.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:29 pm

theohall wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Semaj wrote:
theohall wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory
Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.
Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

Mr Bubbles

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?
Grund, I believe.
I disagreed with that decision also.

Feel free, but I'm curious if you are trying to punish me or win, because the two are mutually exclusive.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:54 pm

tru1cy wrote:Actually, I like Grundbegriff

Thank you. I like you, too.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:34 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Actually, I like Grundbegriff
Thank you. I like you, too.

Thank you for your positive contribution to the game.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:48 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
theohall wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Semaj wrote:
theohall wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Just a thought while I am drinking my first Modelo... Could Remus be Mara? Rebels stun her to take her out of play and give us our another trusted, but Luke converts her overnight. Now we have a "trusted" Mara who is really a rebel sympathizer

I'm sure someone can poke holes in this theory
Maybe they could, but my initial reaction to reading through the whole thread was Remus was a bad guy with great intentions. Working to gain our trust, but ultimately a bad guy. The post I deleted was airing these suspicions.
Wish we would have seen that post. And in honor of Newcastle and Isgrimnur who both have been eliminated for deleting/editing posts in the past....

Mr Bubbles

didnt we let someone live for this a game or two ago?
Grund, I believe.
I disagreed with that decision also.
Feel free, but I'm curious if you are trying to punish me or win, because the two are mutually exclusive.

says you. You could very well be a rebel. And if punishing you and catching rebels works, I'm all for it.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:19 am

Votes Day 4

2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- >
4 Remus West --------->
7 Mr. Bubbles ---------->
8 Theohall ---------------> Mr. Bubbles
11 Coopasonic -----------> RMC
12 El Guapo -------------->
13 Lord Mortis -----------> RMC
15 Unagi ------------------>
16 Pr0ner ----------------->
17 Semaj ----------------->
18 Kenetickid ------------>
20 Isgrimnur ------------->
21 Grundbegriff --------->

RMC 2 <--------------- Coopasonic, Lord Mortis
Mr. Bubbles 1 <------ Theohall

Dead:
1. Chaosraven - Day 1 Lynch
2. Stessier - Night 1 Kill
3. Scoop20906 - Day 2 Lynch
4. Lassr - Night 2 Kill
5. Qantaga - Day 3 Choked by Vader
6. Newcastle - Day 3 Lynch
7. Triggercut - Night 4 Kill

Players Remaining 14
Majority is 8
Deadline: Wednesday July 27, 9PM EST

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:53 am

Wow. All three of those votes are weird to me.

I'd really like to hear more from Grundbegriff.