Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

[Semaj]

wow.. mrc was a rebel, lolz.

Interestingly enough, Tom Bosley did play Benjamin Franklin in The Rebels.]

Funny Guy

so.. the fact I was wrong about 1 rebel makes me one?

We are used to you getting it right. Sorry. You set the bar.

My votes this game:
Bubbles, Scoop, Kenetekid (after r2 had killed chaosraven, but its a vote none the less), Newcastle
If Bubs and KK are rebels, I'm not dong half bad with my voting this game, lolz.

Actually, no. It's not that you got it wrong about 1 rebel, it's that with 1 day to go you basically said you weren't interested in RMC, you didn't even mention what seemed to be choice B, Mr Bubbles, as a lynch target - but you then listed him at the end of 'pr0ner and LM'... So, it looked like you coming in and trying to make up for not doing anything to save em..

or, I saw 2 runs on RMC, admittedly his defense wasn't very solid, but he didn't seem to care if he died. And the 3 people I saw as prolly Rebels (pr0ner was throwing his vote around some today, willing to jump on multiple people for instance, just pinged my radar hard) were all on the RMC vote.

Cant fathom how I debated not voting for him atm...

O look you quoted me for some odd reason...

I'd much rather see someone else tested over rmc atm...
Lord Mortis for example.
Pr0ner is also pinging my possible baddun radar (but then again, he's the one I am least sure on... has he come out somewhere and I missed it? He's playing a skoch reckless imho).
If I had to guess 3 right now... Pr0ner, LM and Bubbles.
I could go grund, his silence is deafening.

Yup, pr0ner was playing so agro, it made me wonder. Like he didnt fear death.

test me tomorrow then.

I think we have to finish up with RMC, tomorrow. But really, are you so proud that you need to prove yourself by noose - and give us a miss? That's not like you.

Did you forget last game when I started a lynch on myself?

or the game recently before that where I voted for myself?

Not like me? You daft?

[Remus West]

Why do you want me to scan Qantaga? I'm still of the opinion that we need to know who our dead were to avoid them faking. Right now I have no idea what Lassr was and am inclined to find out.

As for shots tomorrow. We will be at 13 if we do not get a block from a protector tonight. Thus if we shoot someone other than RMC and miss we would be at 12. They would need to have 6 Rebels for them to win on that which I do not think is possible given that we have already killed 3. Thus I think any shots taken tomorrow should be done on a target other than RMC since we know he is not going to rip anyone's arm off when we vote for him. Better to shoot the unknown that could be Chewbacca than the sure safe lynch target in Lando.

[LordMortis]

Unagi is on fire. He got to be Vader a reason. In a game where I thought we had no hope, he's batting 1.000. And he single handed moved Semaj up my list in the exact same way he's moved his other picks right up to the top. Well almost single handedly, Semaj's interest in the game seems to be going up rebels are going down. Unagi just put a finger on how his interest began going up.

So

(RMC)
Grund
KK
Semaj
Bubbles

I'd suggest the Unagi wants you to scan Qantaga in part to test your hypothesis that I stated I know Qantaga is R2. Beyond that it helps us understand what moves we can and cannot make.

But what I'm really really hoping for is Grund or KK to be Greedo or Rukh and to finally step forward with incontrovertible proof of who they are tomorrow and to get themselves off my list for a reason.

After RMC dies, you pretty much know the direction I'll go.

[Unagi]

I'd suggest the Unagi wants you to scan Qantaga in part to test your hypothesis that I stated I know Qantaga is R2. Beyond that it helps us understand what moves we can and cannot make.

I suppose that's actually a good reason, but the main reason was just because I was curious if he was Chewie...
And, to further understand the Rebel roles - but honestly , none of that is very critical at this point.
It was mostly just a selfish request. I'm cool with learning who Lassr was.

[El Guapo]

Mainly, knowing whether Qantaga was Chewie would be helpful on voting (how carefully do we vote for fear of hitting the landmine, how many misses do we have, should we shoot an unknown with any shots in order to try to hit Chewie or do we shoot RMC and try to lynch an unknown), and knowing whether Qantaga was Luke would be helpful to evaluating the probability that any one person is a rebel Mara Jade. Also could impact the Mortis-as-rebel analysis as Mortis noted.

It's a judgment call whether those outweigh protecting against the risk of spoofing.

[tru1cy]

Curious why I am on the Unagi lynch list. Left several clues as to my role as a Red Guard. He's wrong about me

[Mr Bubbles]

Unagi is wrong about several things. Just because he is a proven, doesn't mean he is omnipotent. He's definitely wrong about me, but I'm sure he's also wrong about more. We'll see if everyone else drinks the coolaid or not. I hope not, because I am committed to winning and we don't have much of a cushion.

[LordMortis]

Unagi is wrong about several things. Just because he is a proven, doesn't mean he is omnipotent. He's definitely wrong about me, but I'm sure he's also wrong about more. We'll see if everyone else drinks the coolaid or not. I hope not, because I am committed to winning and we don't have much of a cushion.

He's not but he's been dead on ball accurate and seemingly from his analysis so far. His cool aid has resulted 100% success. It's been pretty damned tasty.

If he is wrong about you the second part is that there is more. What else is he currently wrong about that you know of? What are you so sure about?

[Mr Bubbles]

Unagi is wrong about several things. Just because he is a proven, doesn't mean he is omnipotent. He's definitely wrong about me, but I'm sure he's also wrong about more. We'll see if everyone else drinks the coolaid or not. I hope not, because I am committed to winning and we don't have much of a cushion.

He's not but he's been dead on ball accurate and seemingly from his analysis so far. His cool aid has resulted 100% success. It's been pretty damned tasty.

If he is wrong about you the second part is that there is more. What else is he currently wrong about that you know of? What are you so sure about?

So you trust that he is perfect?

[El Guapo]

It's with a "k", people.

[LordMortis]

So you trust that he is perfect?

Nope, but I see his sleuthing as having been demonstrably effective.

I'm still waiting for what you know about him being wrong beyond what you know about you. Knowledge is power as they say. Hiding behind allusions to knowledge that you may or may not reveal later always raises my curiosity and hackles.

[Unagi]

We'll see if everyone else drinks the coolaid or not. I hope not, because I am committed to winning and we don't have much of a cushion.

How do you surmise the size of our cushion?

[Unagi]

Unagi is wrong about several things. Just because he is a proven, doesn't mean he is omnipotent. He's definitely wrong about me, but I'm sure he's also wrong about more.

So... I'm wrong about more than just my read on you.

Got it.

[El Guapo]

Unagi is wrong about several things. Just because he is a proven, doesn't mean he is omnipotent. He's definitely wrong about me, but I'm sure he's also wrong about more. We'll see if everyone else drinks the coolaid or not. I hope not, because I am committed to winning and we don't have much of a cushion.

He's not but he's been dead on ball accurate and seemingly from his analysis so far. His cool aid has resulted 100% success. It's been pretty damned tasty.

If he is wrong about you the second part is that there is more. What else is he currently wrong about that you know of? What are you so sure about?

So you trust that he is perfect?

Of course he's not perfect. Mortis' question, which I'd like an answer to as well, ultimately boils down to: do you have specific information about things on which Unagi is wrong, or are you just guessing that he must be wrong about some things?

[LordMortis]

And just so we're clear exactly how much allusions to knowledge then make them sweat while you put together a plan gets my goat.

(RMC)
Bubbles
Grund
KK
Semaj

[Mr Bubbles]

Unagi is wrong about several things. Just because he is a proven, doesn't mean he is omnipotent. He's definitely wrong about me, but I'm sure he's also wrong about more. We'll see if everyone else drinks the coolaid or not. I hope not, because I am committed to winning and we don't have much of a cushion.

He's not but he's been dead on ball accurate and seemingly from his analysis so far. His cool aid has resulted 100% success. It's been pretty damned tasty.

If he is wrong about you the second part is that there is more. What else is he currently wrong about that you know of? What are you so sure about?

So you trust that he is perfect?

Of course he's not perfect. Mortis' question, which I'd like an answer to as well, ultimately boils down to: do you have specific information about things on which Unagi is wrong, or are you just guessing that he must be wrong about some things?

Of course I don't, just like everyone else. But I KNOW my situation and I disagree with how he is approaching thing, which is more of my concern right now. His absolutism is what bothers me and again I don't expect everyone to take my word for it, but it is already leading down the wrong path and I suspect, because of his level of certainty that it will again, but feel free to walk down the path of Remuscide if you wish, you'll find out soon enough. I know I've made mistakes, but I am trying to avoid this particular one. I just hate to see the game get that much more difficult.

[El Guapo]

What do we have, 6-8 rebels in this game to start, so 2-4 left? Odds are there are at least one imperial on Unagi's list, just like on my list (or any list that an imperial would produce). We're inevitably dealing with probabilities.

FWIW I'm not quite as sold on Bubbles as Unagi is, though to be sure he's as reasonable a target as any. I'm not sure whether he goes before we investigate the KK / Grund non-dynamic duo.

[Unagi]

His absolutism is what bothers me and again I don't expect everyone to take my word for it, but it is already leading down the wrong path and I suspect, because of his level of certainty that it will again, but feel free to walk down the path of Remuscide if you wish, you'll find out soon enough. I know I've made mistakes, but I am trying to avoid this particular one. I just hate to see the game get that much more difficult.

Um.

I am cool with you being worried that my absolutism will lead to your wrongful death - but you are not characterizing the situation very well.

"[His absolutism] is already leading down the wrong path..." -- not really. Too bad you can't take part in the joy of the progress we've made.

"feel free to walk down the path of Remuscide if you wish, you'll find out soon enough." -- but, but, they have all been Rebels so far. Missing on Mr Bubbles would hardly lead to "Remuscide".

"I know I've made mistakes, but I am trying to avoid this particular one." --What mistake are you trying to avoid, the mistake of us actually acting on "the mistakes you've made before" ? You've got things turned around.

[Mr Bubbles]

"[His absolutism] is already leading down the wrong path..." -- not really. Too bad you can't take part in the joy of the progress we've made.

"feel free to walk down the path of Remuscide if you wish, you'll find out soon enough." -- but, but, they have all been Rebels so far. Missing on Mr Bubbles would hardly lead to "Remuscide".

Really I haven't been on rebel votes?
Also if your choices continue on a wrong path as they would with me then you would definitely lead us down Remuscide. Who is the one misrepresenting now?

[Unagi]

"[His absolutism] is already leading down the wrong path..." -- not really. Too bad you can't take part in the joy of the progress we've made.

"feel free to walk down the path of Remuscide if you wish, you'll find out soon enough." -- but, but, they have all been Rebels so far. Missing on Mr Bubbles would hardly lead to "Remuscide".

Really I haven't been on rebel votes?
Also if your choices continue on a wrong path as they would with me then you would definitely lead us down Remuscide. Who is the one misrepresenting now?

Keep your mud off my robe.

[theohall]

"[His absolutism] is already leading down the wrong path..." -- not really. Too bad you can't take part in the joy of the progress we've made.

"feel free to walk down the path of Remuscide if you wish, you'll find out soon enough." -- but, but, they have all been Rebels so far. Missing on Mr Bubbles would hardly lead to "Remuscide".

Really I haven't been on rebel votes?
Also if your choices continue on a wrong path as they would with me then you would definitely lead us down Remuscide. Who is the one misrepresenting now?

Color me stupid and explain this.

We keep offing/finding rebels. IF, and that is a big IF, you are an Imperial and we finally accidentally kill one Imperial, how are we committing Remuscide? The numbers aren't suggesting an imminent rebel win, unless you are privy to information to which the rest of us have no access. It seems one doth protest too much.

[Mr Bubbles]

Down the path of Remuscide. I never once and I'm not sure where you are reading this, did I say we are there now.

[pr0ner]

You did say something about his choices continuing down the wrong path.

Since when have any of Unagi's choices been wrong?

[Mr Bubbles]

You did say something about his choices continuing down the wrong path.

Since when have any of Unagi's choices been wrong?

Wow does anyone read what I wrote. I said he would start off the wrong path with me. Am I the only one reading my posts?

[El Guapo]

You did say something about his choices continuing down the wrong path.

Since when have any of Unagi's choices been wrong?

Wow does anyone read what I wrote. I said he would start off the wrong path with me. Am I the only one reading my posts?

Also if your choices continue on a wrong path as they would with me then you would definitely lead us down Remuscide. Who is the one misrepresenting now?

Of course I don't, just like everyone else. But I KNOW my situation and I disagree with how he is approaching thing, which is more of my concern right now. His absolutism is what bothers me and again I don't expect everyone to take my word for it, but it is already leading down the wrong path and I suspect, because of his level of certainty that it will again, but feel free to walk down the path of Remuscide if you wish, you'll find out soon enough. I know I've made mistakes, but I am trying to avoid this particular one. I just hate to see the game get that much more difficult.

[El Guapo]

By the way:

Yeah, it's been a long game with a lot of specials and pages. It's still a long shot, but now that you've reminded me, I recall the whole stun-bot thing.

Does everyone else but me have bb2112 on ignore?

[El Guapo]

So Bubbles - you're imperial. What's your current list of suspects?

[Isgrimnur]

By the way:

Yeah, it's been a long game with a lot of specials and pages. It's still a long shot, but now that you've reminded me, I recall the whole stun-bot thing.

Does everyone else but me have bb2112 on ignore?

No, I recall it when it happened, I even discussed it earlier about the long-shot Mara convergence, it just slipped from my head at that particular time.

[LordMortis]

Does everyone else but me have bb2112 on ignore?

I remembered that specific detail. I deserve a cookie. I may not remember other details like even as I quoted that rebels couldn't stun rebels I didn't remember reading that detail and then glossed over it on several re reads. Welcome to early onset Alzheimers is my guess... I've broken down and started taken fish oil supplements. They're expensive (well, the ones not reported as toxic and suffering recalls left and right are expensive) and so far not much help. It'd be fascinating and fun to watch my mind slip away if it weren't for it being my mind and that my livelihood depends on my ability to think critically.

[Mr Bubbles]

Ok so my wording in teh past was bad. What I meant is the continued suspicion of me. As for your questions. I'll have to go deeper, but KK is not pinging me as high, because he has done this before. Grund is definitely high on my list and LM is suspect to me. I need to read more, but I always manipulate my suspicion level to see who jumps on me. I am still checking that out right now. Grund and LM are my highest. Semaj to a lesser extent.

[LordMortis]

Oh and writing stuff down to remember it breaks down well before 40 pages worth of posts with 40(?) posts per page.

[LordMortis]

Semaj to a lesser extent.

Which is weird to me because you jumped on the Unagi is leading us to remuscide thing only right after he started questioning Semaj and then at me feeling a bit enlightened for reading Unagi's analysis. (This could be coincidental timing but it's still weird to me) And your offense/defense literally seemed to be that you knew stuff we didn't until you backed off on knowing several things that Unagi got wrong. I go back and forth where where you are trying to go but all directions point to you as suspicious.

Then there's the post deletion thing. That's a trying to hide something thing to me. This goes hand in hand with knowing more about the game and then not knowing more about the game. That put you at the top of my list before but shy of Grund and KK and their absence.

So my trust in Unagi's omnipotence goes with his having been right, his read on situations, and how it coincides with or corrects my own reads.

[El Guapo]

Plus, you know, Unagi has the power of the dark side.

[Mr Bubbles]

Semaj to a lesser extent.

Which is weird to me because you jumped on the Unagi is leading us to remuscide thing only right after he started questioning Semaj and then at me feeling a bit enlightened for reading Unagi's analysis.

The point I am making is I want people to make their own decisions. It seems to me and maybe I'm wrong, but people are looking to Unagi to make up their mind and asking him to update his suspicion list. If he is powered and has information based on that, that is one thing, but to allow Unagi to dictate who to go after next, especially when he is ultimately making a guess just strikes me as bad. This is the bottom line of what I am trying to fight and also fight against a wrong choice. I think we have people who are a much better push at this point. Grund being one of them. While my list may be similar to Unagi, it was based on my observations, and not his list. Maybe I'm being paranoid, and it would be the first time, but again it seemed like people were capitulating their decision making to Unagi.

[El Guapo]

It's absolutely right that people should do their own analysis and everyone should make their own list. It's perfectly logical to use Unagi as a factor, a la "I am torn between Bubbles and Grund, and Unagi is pushing Bubbles so I'll go with that" makes sense (since Unagi is on fire), but people shouldn't just vote for whatever Unagi says without doing their own analysis of course.

[El Guapo]

Speaking of which, where are the rebels? Maybe we got all of them this time.

[LordMortis]

Semaj to a lesser extent.

Which is weird to me because you jumped on the Unagi is leading us to remuscide thing only right after he started questioning Semaj and then at me feeling a bit enlightened for reading Unagi's analysis.

The point I am making is I want people to make their own decisions. It seems to me and maybe I'm wrong, but people are looking to Unagi to make up their mind and asking him to update his suspicion list. If he is powered and has information based on that, that is one thing, but to allow Unagi to dictate who to go after next, especially when he is ultimately making a guess just strikes me as bad. This is the bottom line of what I am trying to fight and also fight against a wrong choice. I think we have people who are a much better push at this point. Grund being one of them. While my list may be similar to Unagi, it was based on my observations, and not his list. Maybe I'm being paranoid, and it would be the first time, but again it seemed like people were capitulating their decision making to Unagi.

I have thusfar capitulated to Unagi and Guapo's concurrence mainly because they are the key factor to getting anyone lynched. I can't think for even one second that a lynch would happen without them and I appreciate that they've gotten involved in the fray only after waiting to see where they day goes. MVP goes to Unagi for being right, the silver goes to Trig for getting things done even in the light player absence (and even when agreed with almost nothing he said), and the bronze Guap for staying on top of things and keeping discussion going.

Without hindsight, I'd have still rather backed Grund to the wall yesterday, even with the previous speculation that he is chewie.

[Mr Bubbles]

The race is a little early to be awarding medals right now. I suggest you wait to do that in the end. Secretariat is behind and catching up, but until they cross the finish line.

[coopasonic]

The point I am making is I want people to make their own decisions. It seems to me and maybe I'm wrong, but people are looking to Unagi to make up their mind and asking him to update his suspicion list.

Not people. Me.

If he is powered and has information based on that, that is one thing, but to allow Unagi to dictate who to go after next, especially when he is ultimately making a guess just strikes me as bad.

The "proven's" lists carry more weight because we know what side they are on. I know Unagi is actually trying to figure out who is a good guy and who is a bad guy. I don't know that about you, LM or any of the other unknowns. My own intuition is obviously flawed so I am looking for support wherever I can get it. I wanted the provens to update their lists because one of them is going to die tonight unless there is a protector that guesses right, so I wanted their last input before the sun rises and we see who doesn't show up.

[tru1cy]

I have my own suspicions, but Bubbles you are starting to protest too much. Sounding like "Woe is me"Newcastle. Hmm, if greedo is alive he should put one into Grund


Just my opinion