You still haven't named any Evil candidates, other than your counter accusation of me, and keep trying to clear Qantaga, as well.
Why is it you refused to offer any thing? Oh! That is right! You are a Servant of Sauron and the less you actually help the Fellowship, the better. Nothing you have posted since being outed has done anything to help the Fellowship. That alone is telling enough and helps explain why absolutely no one believes your supposed claims of innocence. At least no one who has posted anything significant.
How am I supposed to name Evil? I have no scans and we have done nothing but undo their work - which I am sure they helped with. I'd think folks should look for one of the other Evils in someone who took to your claim way to quickly and the other in someone who showed reluctance to accept it except that everyone fell right into line for you so there is nothing to use there either.
As for Qantaga being Gandalf or not, yes, I did notice him in other threads so no, I do not give that much credence. I do feel the other idea I put out there of Gandalf having checked in but not having any Evils to share is valid and likely the case.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
Remus West wrote:I look forward to the write up and the reveal that I have been telling you the truth and theohall has been lying. As I said from the start, this was my only way to prove that so this is what I wanted. Given that Qantaga is the only one who did not check into the game during this period I have to assume that he is Gandalf as otherwise theohall's lie would have already been called out - or the real Gandalf is playing for time knowing my death will reveal theohall's lie and since he doesn't have any Evils he is trying to get more scans. Either way it doesn't matter. theohall's lie shall soon see the light of day.
And if it does, then we scout Theo and the real Gandalf gets another scan. If you come back evil, then we have a couple of provens. Not the best of circumstances, but not the worst either.
Hey Remus, go check out that glowing stuff over there. We are all going to turn our backs and talk for a few minutes.
Which is exactly what I said at the start of the day. Lynching me was the best way to prove the lie. The bad circumstances are that the real Gandalf likely does not have an Evil scanned yet and his window is closing on finding them since now he needs a specific one rather than any of them.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
So we all agree with the logic, lynching you today is the best alternative. The thing that surprises me most though, is if you really are good, why wouldn't you be posting your hypothesis/thoughts on others? You are not really trying to impart any wisdom before you go, other than Theo is lying. We will know that one way or the other soon. You haven't posted any other thoughts on people's innocense or guilt, or your thoughts on how to handle the ring after you are gone. It is as if you know your goose is cooked and so when you come back evil, all the data dumps you have done are going to get tossed anyway, so why bother.
That's no reason to cry. One cries because one is sad. For example, I cry because others are stupid, and that makes me sad.
Why would I stab an Oracle? Wait, what am I saying? Why wouldn't I stab an Oracle? - Belkar Bitterleaf
BCY4920 - You can suck it Johnny Angel.
theohall wrote:Who wants to watch Remus be quiet? I could arrange that any time, but would prefer to give pr0ner time to say something and have Mr Bubbles around - which is usually later in the day.
RW is still making me laugh with all of his posts, since his only answer is "theohall is lying. You all will see."
Yes, we will see that he knows quite a bit about that giant eye, and not in a good way.
You keep speaking of waiting on Mr Bubbles. Yet you know Mr Bubbles is imprisoned and can not speak. Are you somehow hoping nobody will cast the final vote on me and thus expose you. Can you really be hoping that nobody will get lynched due to a Friday deadline?
Lagom, if there is no lynch majority vote and the Ringbearer has not voted (due to being captured/imprisoned/silent) what happens?
Rules addendum: Ringbearer is lynched, even if he's imprisoned or captured.
But you've seen who's in heaven
Is there anyone in hell?
"Lagom you are a smooth tongued devil, and an opportunistic monster" - OOWW Game Club
So the Company went on their long way, down the wide hurrying waters of River Anduin, borne ever southwards. Bare woods stalked either bank, and they could not see any glimpse of the lands behind. The breeze died away and the River flowed without a sound. No voice of bird broke the silence. Great trees passed by like ghosts, thrusting their twisted thirsty roots through the mist down into the water. It was dreary and cold.
tru1cy’s quick ears caught sounds in the woodlands below, on the west side of the River. He stiffened. There were cries, and among them, to his horror, he could distinguish the harsh voices of Orcs. As he ran the cries came louder. Fierce and shrill rose the yells of the Orcs.
As bb2112 sounded the Horn of Gondor, he heard a sharp cry from his flank. From out the shrubbery, Remus West appeared, with tears in his eyes, clothed in rags. With him denizens of darkness came. triggercut and coopasonic charged into the front of the Orc band.
The fighting was over quickly. The main Orc patrol must have been separated from the rest. pr0ner searched the bodies of the Orcs, gathering their swords and cloven helms and shields into a heap.
”See!” cried Newcastle. ”Here we find tokens!” He picked out from the pile of grim weapons two knives, leaf-bladed, damasked in gold and red.
Searching further, Grundbegriff found also the sheaths, black, set with small red gems. ”No orc-tools these!” he said. ”They are work of Westernesse.”
”I will take all the arrows that I can find,” said redrun.
theohall looked on the slain, and he said: ”Here lie many that are not folk of Mordor. Some are from the North, from the Misty Mountains, if I know anything of Orcs and their kinds. And here are others strange to me.”
”Their gear is not after the manner of Orcs at all!”, exclaimed Qantaga.
Dusk deepened. Mist lay behind them among the trees below, and brooded on the pale margins of the Anduin, but the sky was clear. Stars came out. The waxing moon was riding in the West, and the shadows of the rocks were black. They had come to the feet of stony hills, and their pace was slower, for the trail was no longer easy to follow. Here the highlands of Emyn Muil ran from North to South in two long tumbled ridges. The western side of each ridge was steep and difficult, but the eastward slopes were gentler, furrowed with many gullies and narrow ravines.
Remus West has been slain by the Fellowship!
Remus West was a Servant of the Eye!
Players:
1. Grundbegriff
2. redrun
3. theohall
4. Qantaga
5. bb2112
6. rhsetts2 7. Remus West - a Servant of the Eye, Slain by the Fellowship
8. RMC
9. tru1cy
10. triggercut 11. Mr Bubbles - Imprisoned
12. coopasonic
13. pr0ner
14. Newcastle
Gollum, will you guide a player?
Gollum, will you steal from a player? Boromir, will you scan a player?
Gandalf, will you scan a player? Witch-King, will you scan a player? Aragorn, will you protect a player? Servants of the Eye, will you hunt a player?
But you've seen who's in heaven
Is there anyone in hell?
"Lagom you are a smooth tongued devil, and an opportunistic monster" - OOWW Game Club
Assuming Grund is who he says he is, and since no other hobbit has stepped up, we have to assume he is, there are 5 possibilities (6 really, but I'm not one). Not great odds, but could be worse.
In those 5 we have Aragorn, Boromir, Gollum and 2 free people (I'm the other free person). I'm actually surprised we didn't get anyone (gollum) claiming to be another hobbit. It would have been hard to dispute, but since they didn't I think we have to believe our claimed hobbits (even Grund).
That's no reason to cry. One cries because one is sad. For example, I cry because others are stupid, and that makes me sad.
Why would I stab an Oracle? Wait, what am I saying? Why wouldn't I stab an Oracle? - Belkar Bitterleaf
BCY4920 - You can suck it Johnny Angel.
Concerns: an evil pr0ner is usually a bit more involved. triggercut has already pulled the "scan me" card. The other three - no idea. Going to be a tough decision. Interesting is coopasonic. He could be hiding in plain sight, and doing it well.
Coop is the one that has been hitting my radar. He seems to be playing similar to the Princess Bride game.
That's no reason to cry. One cries because one is sad. For example, I cry because others are stupid, and that makes me sad.
Why would I stab an Oracle? Wait, what am I saying? Why wouldn't I stab an Oracle? - Belkar Bitterleaf
BCY4920 - You can suck it Johnny Angel.
Grundbegriff wrote:What's our deadline? We don't want Frodo to die in prison.
Dude?
Captured and Imprisoned players don't "die", by any rule that I see. A ringbearer may become corrupted by the Ring...but Frodo's immune to that until Chapter 7.
Dude-- if we pass the deadline, the Ringbearer dies. If the Ringbearer happens to be a captive or prisoner, why would that save his life?
Concerns: an evil pr0ner is usually a bit more involved. triggercut has already pulled the "scan me" card. The other three - no idea. Going to be a tough decision. Interesting is coopasonic. He could be hiding in plain sight, and doing it well.
Theo, please do not waste your scan on me. For what its worth, I can assure you I am a member of the Fellowship. If you truly have basis for your doubts, then you will find I speak the truth but you likely only have this one scan left and I would rather see it be of use. My choice at this point would be either Triggercut or PrOnr.
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
Concerns: an evil pr0ner is usually a bit more involved. triggercut has already pulled the "scan me" card. The other three - no idea. Going to be a tough decision. Interesting is coopasonic. He could be hiding in plain sight, and doing it well.
I'd scan rshetts2.
He is #too on my list
then Newcastle #three
but Theo, you do what you think is right. Hard to second guess your track record thus far.
That's no reason to cry. One cries because one is sad. For example, I cry because others are stupid, and that makes me sad.
Why would I stab an Oracle? Wait, what am I saying? Why wouldn't I stab an Oracle? - Belkar Bitterleaf
BCY4920 - You can suck it Johnny Angel.
I am on team good and not a hobbit. Out of the 5 of us, Proner and Rshetts2 are my number 1 and 2, and then I guess Newcastle.
I don't really have a feeling on Triggercut so that is why I did not put him in the list. He could be evil or not, but I don't really have a feeling one way or the other.
Difficulties mastered are opportunities won. - Winston Churchill
Sheesh, this is one small box. Thankfully, everything's packed in nicely this time. Not too tight nor too loose (someone's sig in 3, 2, ...). - Hepcat
Well if you scan me at least you will clear me from being a servant. Its a wasted scan in my opinion but at least it would help keep the rest of these misguided fools from sending me scouting once the servants take you out. If you really feel scanning me is the best option, scan away. In the long run it will benefit me anyway.
I would like to know why those of you who feel Im a good scan candidate feel that way. Your answers, or lack there of, may help me narrow down my list of potential servants.
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
The most important thing is that theohall gather information that he will find useful. Ultimately, our guidance is beside the point. He must enter tomorrow with no regrets.
The sun was already westering as they rode to Edoras, and the light of it was in their eyes, turning all the rolling fields of Rohan to a golden haze. There was a beaten way, north-westward along the foot-hills of the White Mountains, and this they followed, up and down in a green country, crossing small swift streams by many fords. Far ahead and to their right the Misty Mountains loomed; ever darker and taller they grew as the miles went by.
Following the winding way up to the green shoulders of the hills, they came at last to the wind-swept walls and the gates of Edoras. There sat many men in bright mail, who sprang at once to their feet and barred the way with spears.
”It is the will of Theoden King that none should enter his gates, save those who know our tongue and are our friends,” said one of the guards.
”We are no phantoms,” said bb2112.
”I am the Doorward of Theoden,” the guard said, ”Here I must bid you lay aside your weapons before you enter.”
"Surely you wouldn't deprive an old man of his walking stick?" said theohall.
"Watch me," the guard said, and ran him through.
The Company disarmed and entered. The hall was long and wide and filled with shadows and half lights; mighty pillars upheld its lofty roof. But here and there bright sunbeams fell in glimmering shafts from the eastern windows, high under the deep eaves. Through the louver in the roof, above the thin wisps of issuing smoke, the sky showed pale and blue. King Theoden sat in a stone seat. He turned and looked at his great house.
”Dark have been my dreams of late,” he said. ”Alas! That these evil days should be mine, and should come in my old age instead of that peace which I have earned. The young perish and the old linger, withering.”
”Your fingers would remember their old strength better, if they grasped a sword-hilt,” said rshetts2.
”What is your counsel?” asked Theoden.
”To cast aside regret and fear. To do the deed at hand,” said RMC.
”Every man that can ride should be sent west at once,” said tru1cy. ”We must destroy the threat of Saruman, while we still have time.”
”If we fail, we fall,” said triggercut. ”If we succeed – then we will face the next task.”
”Your people that are left,” said coopasonic, ”the women and the children and the old, should fly to the refuges that you have in the mountains.”
”Let them take provision, but delay not,” said pr0ner, ”nor burden themselves with treasures, great or small. It is their lives that are at stake.”
”This counsel seems good to me now,” said Theoden. ”Let all my folk get ready! But you my guests – you have ridden through the night, and the morning wears away. You have had neither sleep nor food. A guest-house shall be made ready: there you shall sleep, when you have eaten.”
”Nay, Lord,” said Newcastle. ”There is no rest yet for the weary. The men of Rohan must ride forth today, and we will ride with them, axe, sword, and bow.”
”Now indeed there is hope of victory!” said Grundbegriff.
”Hope, yes,” said redrun. ”But Isengard is strong.”
”And other perils draw ever nearer,” said Qantaga. ”Do not delay, Theoden, when we are gone. Lead your people swiftly to the Hold of Dunharrow in the hills!”
”Dark is the hour,” Theoden spoke, ”yet maybe we shall return to the Golden Hall. But in Dunharrow the people may long defend themselves, and if the battle go ill, thither will come all who escape.”
theohall has been killed!
theohall was one of the Free People.
The Servants of the Eye have taken the Ring!
Players:
1. Grundbegriff
2. redrun 3. theohall of the Free People, Slain by Bureaucracy
4. Qantaga
5. bb2112
6. rhsetts2 7. Remus West - a Servant of the Eye, Slain by the Fellowship
8. RMC
9. tru1cy
10. triggercut 11. Mr Bubbles - Imprisoned
12. coopasonic
13. pr0ner
14. Newcastle
Fellowship, how will you proceed?
You must Appoint a Scout.
Majority is 6.
Deadline is Wednesday, October 26th at 9 p.m. Central European Time (GMT +1)
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But you've seen who's in heaven
Is there anyone in hell?
"Lagom you are a smooth tongued devil, and an opportunistic monster" - OOWW Game Club
Aragorn, that was a big old whiff there. Sorry Theodalf.
Since we didn't get another scan out of last night, does our direction really change? I guess we have time to talk about it, but like yesterday, I don't think we are going to get any real new information that is going to sway our vote or action plan away from scouting Q today.
That's no reason to cry. One cries because one is sad. For example, I cry because others are stupid, and that makes me sad.
Why would I stab an Oracle? Wait, what am I saying? Why wouldn't I stab an Oracle? - Belkar Bitterleaf
BCY4920 - You can suck it Johnny Angel.
I don't really think we need to discuss this. Theohall was proven, in the worst possible way.
Qantaga
And we only know that we did not get S man last round, and I have my doubts that Q is the S man either.
So we need to kill Q, and then work on who we need to go after next. My vote is on Proner.
Difficulties mastered are opportunities won. - Winston Churchill
Sheesh, this is one small box. Thankfully, everything's packed in nicely this time. Not too tight nor too loose (someone's sig in 3, 2, ...). - Hepcat
We are approaching a worst-case scenario here pretty fast. While I think Qantaga *must* be our choice to be sent out scouting today, I do think there's some value in discussing contingency plans as well.
"It's my manner, sir. It looks insubordinate, but it isn't, really."
triggercut wrote:We are approaching a worst-case scenario here pretty fast. While I think Qantaga *must* be our choice to be sent out scouting today, I do think there's some value in discussing contingency plans as well.
What plans would those be?
I think we need to find out if we are lucky and Q is S, then we can lay out our plans. It seems like wasted effort if we build all these plans, and then discover that all our assumptions were wrong. <shrug>
I agree we need plans, but we need to know where we are at prior to making those plans. We will end up talking ourselves into circles if we try to plan out to much, or tip our hands to team evil.
We have what should be a slam dunk, I say we take it and then make plans.
Difficulties mastered are opportunities won. - Winston Churchill
Sheesh, this is one small box. Thankfully, everything's packed in nicely this time. Not too tight nor too loose (someone's sig in 3, 2, ...). - Hepcat
Remus West wrote:Lagom, if there is no lynch majority vote and the Ringbearer has not voted (due to being captured/imprisoned/silent) what happens?
Rules addendum: Ringbearer is lynched, even if he's imprisoned or captured.
Not really an addendum; more of a clarification of what was already implicit.
Clarification of the addendum: The addendum was actually a clarification.
Observation about the clarification of the addendum... if we decide not to vote, the ringbearer will be scouted and he will get to choose who to hand the ring to. Gollum doesn't get a chance to steal from Frodo before he passes the ring. If we waited for day six to do this, Frodo would pass the ring to one of three hobbits. Gollum would have a 1/3 chance of trying to grab from the right hobbit. Evil would have a 1/3 chance of capturing the right hobbit. Overall, it might be better odds than trying to kill Saruman on night six (assuming our early attempts failed to find him.). If we'd already scouted Gollum, the odds for good improve.
Logicly, if Qantaga isn't Saruman, we should start hunting for Gollum tomorrow and not vote on day six to force the scout of Frodo from imprisionment. However, it doesn't feel right - like trying to win via a rules loophole.
Yeah I figure if the Servants didnt have a sure shot at Gandalf, then they would have chosen to capture a hobbit instead giving Frodo less help when he is freed. Instead of being a bum, Aragorn may have saved us all. I doubt they would have taken out Theo unless they got blocked the previous nite and were sure of a kill.
Im actually a bit surprised they killed him regardless. It seems like their best bet is to keep as many hobbits captured as possible. With only 1 servant left hidden, they had good odds Gandalf would have missed his scan anyway. This makes me think that Saruman is the one servant still in hiding. Thats the one really good reason I can see to worry about the scan.
Either way, our choices at this point are to slay Qan as we know hes a servant or try to randomly peg the 3rd servant or Gollum. I agree, we stay the course and go with the 50/50 shot that Qan is Saruman.
Qantaga, go over there and check out that dark cave for us, ok?
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
Lagom Lite wrote:Chapter 4 – Rohan
"Surely you wouldn't deprive an old man of his walking stick?" said theohall.
"Watch me," the guard said, and ran him through.
<Blink> <Blink> I don't remember that scene from the book or the movies.
Was this from the Director's Extended Version with updated plot and musical numbers? Like maybe it was right before the Rohan riders broke forth in song "It's a wonderful thing to ride your horse". Right?
Lagom Lite wrote:Chapter 4 – Rohan
"Surely you wouldn't deprive an old man of his walking stick?" said theohall.
"Watch me," the guard said, and ran him through.
<Blink> <Blink> I don't remember that scene from the book or the movies.
Was this from the Director's Extended Version with updated plot and musical numbers? Like maybe it was right before the Rohan riders broke forth in song "It's a wonderful thing to ride your horse". Right?
Just another Peter Jackson "reinterpretation".
But you've seen who's in heaven
Is there anyone in hell?
"Lagom you are a smooth tongued devil, and an opportunistic monster" - OOWW Game Club
redrun wrote:Observation about the clarification of the addendum... if we decide not to vote, the ringbearer will be scouted and he will get to choose who to hand the ring to. Gollum doesn't get a chance to steal from Frodo before he passes the ring. If we waited for day six to do this, Frodo would pass the ring to one of three hobbits. Gollum would have a 1/3 chance of trying to grab from the right hobbit. Evil would have a 1/3 chance of capturing the right hobbit. Overall, it might be better odds than trying to kill Saruman on night six (assuming our early attempts failed to find him.). If we'd already scouted Gollum, the odds for good improve.
Logicly, if Qantaga isn't Saruman, we should start hunting for Gollum tomorrow and not vote on day six to force the scout of Frodo from imprisionment. However, it doesn't feel right - like trying to win via a rules loophole.
Clever! I think this is another place where the rules should be refined, so we don't end up with a Hail Mary pass as the default operation.
I strongly suspect on behavioral grounds that Qantaga is Saruman. However, if he's not, I think there's value in continuing to hunt both Saruman and Gollum. I'd feel dirty gaming the system when "Wait till the final turn and then Imprisoned Frodo hands the ring to the person of his choice" is so clearly not in the spirit of the game as defined by the rest of the rules.
