Puerto Rico, Game 01: Transit of Venus: GAME OVER

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:09 pm

If I understand

LM 1 up + 1 down = 0 empty
Q 1 down = 1 empty up top
EG 1 down = 1 empty up top
NC 1 up top = 2 empty

4 empty going to CR

CR has 1 available up top so there are either 4 or 5 empty depending on your decision. Either the result will be the same.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:10 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Assign to sugar plantation, leaving six open.

Check your math before PMing Qantaga.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:13 pm

LordMortis wrote:If I understand

LM 1 up + 1 down = 0 empty
Q 1 down = 1 empty up top
EG 1 down = 1 empty up top
NC 1 up top = 2 empty

4 empty going to CR

CR has 1 available up top so there are either 4 or 5 empty depending on your decision. Either the result will be the same.

NO...mine was not 100% clear. I am putting my dude on the bottom...on the plantation...not on the house. So all my top spaces are empty.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:14 pm

Nc stated Plantation, not Storage Building.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:16 pm

Yeah! What he said! So stick *that* in yer pipe and smoke it!

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:17 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Yeah! What he said! So stick *that* in yer pipe and smoke it!

If only. I don't bring tobacco to work. And I've been dying for it all day.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:23 pm

Here's a newbie question for Grund, or any of you Puerto Rico vets, before I choose my card.

Do I have any goods to sell?

Being as this is the first turn and I just placed a colonist in my plantation and have no colonists in my mill, do I even have any goods yet?

In other words, would Trader be a viable play for me now to sell sugar, or do I have to produce sugar in my sugar mill first to be able to sell?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:30 pm

Qantaga wrote:Here's a newbie question for Grund, or any of you Puerto Rico vets, before I choose my card.

Do I have any goods to sell?

Being as this is the first turn and I just placed a colonist in my plantation and have no colonists in my mill, do I even have any goods yet?

In other words, would Trader be a viable play for me now to sell sugar, or do I have to produce sugar in my sugar mill first to be able to sell?

You have no goods trade until there has been a craftsman. To produce a good you need to either have a manned corn or a manned plantation and a manned corresponding production facility.

In your case you wanted man your corn and possibly produce.

Right now a trader gets you nothing. You have no goods to trade.
Craftsman gets you nothing. Your corn is not manned and your manned sugar can't produce with production facility being manned.
There are no goods to ship with the captain.

So you pretty much are left just prospecting for a dubloon.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:31 pm

Thanks LM!

I'll play Prospector.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:34 pm

LordMortis wrote:In your case you wanted man your corn and possibly produce.

I thought about that when I assigned my colonist to my sugar plantation, but corn would have netted me 0 dubloons via the Trader, correct?

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:37 pm

That's the end of this round.

I suppose Grund has some game functions to monitor between rounds before we move to Newcastle's Governor round?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:39 pm

Qantaga wrote:
LordMortis wrote:In your case you wanted man your corn and possibly produce.

I thought about that when I assigned my colonist to my sugar plantation, but corn would have netted me 0 dubloons via the Trader, correct?

corn sells for 0 unless you are the person who chose Trader (+1), have a small market (+1), or a large market (+2).

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:41 pm

Qantaga wrote:That's the end of this round.

I suppose Grund has some game functions to monitor between rounds before we move to Newcastle's Governor round?

at the very least we need to know what plantations are available (and strategically we may have have wanted to know immediately after the settler to plan ahead).

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:41 pm

Qantaga wrote:
LordMortis wrote:In your case you wanted man your corn and possibly produce.

I thought about that when I assigned my colonist to my sugar plantation, but corn would have netted me 0 dubloons via the Trader, correct?

Sort of. Acting as Trader would get you a 1 dubloon bonus. so 0 for corn +1 is one dubloon. However, you could get that same one dubloon from the prospector without spending a corn and allowing other people to trade.

Craftsmanning on corn would get you two corn (and me one indigo)

Personally, I would let change over to corn, which is where your should have placed but I don't know how people feel about things. This is not to say craftsmanning should be your logical play, only that it is better to have the potential for something rather than the potential for nothing.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:44 pm

Chaosraven wrote:at the very least we need to know what plantations are available (and strategically we may have have wanted to know immediately after the settler to plan ahead).

Very true, though I don't think that should stop the game unless someone says "I need to wait for Grund to show the plantations before I make a decision" which is a reasonable request.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:57 pm

Indeed, as NC may have a choice to make in the event there is a single Tobacco in the plantations.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:11 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Is settling optional?

Yes. Taking a plantation during Settler is optional. Buying a building during Builder is optional. During Mayor, each player who can do so must take the available colonist, but placing it somewhere to activate a building or plantation is optional, and rearranging one's colonists is optional. During Craftsman, production of goods is optional, but if you choose to proceed you must produce as much as you can. During Trader, selling is optional. During Captain, shipping is mandatory.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:20 pm

El Guapo wrote:Assign colonist to quarry.

This is where we pretend that we're bringing "colonists" to work on our Caribbean islands, right?

They are most certainly religious dissenters and pilgrims, chiefly caucasian, who are willing to work in the new world for limited hours at a living wage in order to achieve work/life balance. Here's a picture of them:

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:22 pm

El Guapo wrote:If I later buy a large indigo plant, can I build it over my small one, or does it permanently take space on my city / island?

All buildings are permanent and cannot be negated. So if you buy a small plant (cap 1) and a large plant (cap 3), you now have two plants and a capacity of 4.

BTW: there are three ways to end the game:
Run out of colonists during Mayor.
Run out of Victory Point counters during Captain.
Someone buys a 12th building during Builder.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:37 pm

My turn yet

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:17 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Five left empty, yes?

Yes. At the end of this Mayor's phase, the inbound ship is replenished with 5 colonists.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:18 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Assign to sugar plantation, leaving six open.

Make that 6 Colonists on the inbound ship!

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:22 pm

Newcastle wrote:
LordMortis wrote:If I understand

LM 1 up + 1 down = 0 empty
Q 1 down = 1 empty up top
EG 1 down = 1 empty up top
NC 1 up top = 2 empty

4 empty going to CR

CR has 1 available up top so there are either 4 or 5 empty depending on your decision. Either the result will be the same.
NO...mine was not 100% clear. I am putting my dude on the bottom...on the plantation...not on the house. So all my top spaces are empty.

Plantations (island spaces) are at the top. City spaces are at the bottom.
(They swapped 'em for the Anniversary Edition.)

EG: 1 empty (small indigo plant) [Top == 1 occupied quarry, 1 unoccupied indigo plantation]
N: 3 empty (tobacco storage) [Top == 1 occupied tobacco plantation, 1 unoccupied indigo plantation]
C: 1 empty (small sugar mill) [Top == 1 occupied sugar plantation, 1 unoccupied indigo plantation]
LM: 0 empty [Bottom == 1 occupied small indigo mill; Top == 1 occupied indigo plantation, 1 unoccupied corn plantation]
Q: 1 empty (small sugar mill) [Top == 1 occupied sugar plantation, 1 unoccupied corn plantation]

6 empty > 5 default. :. 6 Colonists incoming.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:35 pm

Qantaga wrote:
LordMortis wrote:In your case you wanted man your corn and possibly produce.

I thought about that when I assigned my colonist to my sugar plantation, but corn would have netted me 0 dubloons via the Trader, correct?

LordMortis gave you good info about how to produce (during Craftsman) in order to sell (during Trader) or ship (during Captain).

The reason for the minus one penalty on doubloons for seats 4 and 5 is that they start with corn. Corn goods require no building, so they're easier to produce (and thus to ship for Victory Points (VPs). In the long run (assessing data from over a million games) the corn advantage and the starting doubloon penalty cancel one another out.

You're right that a corn trades for 0 at the trade house. Here are the reasons you might want to trade it anyhow:

(a) If you have a small market, trade is +1 doubloon. So corn would be worth 1.
(b) If you have a large market, trade is +2 doubloons.
(c) If you have both a large and a small market, trade is +3 doubloons.
(d) If you sell corn, that prevents anyone who lacks an office from selling corn.
(e) Often the trade house sits there with 3 goods because nobody's willing to turn it over. Folks in that case are trying to prevent further (or different) trade. With a corn (which is usually the missing item), you can reset (i.e., empty/flush) the trade house.
(f) If you are the Trader, your perq is +1 on trade.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:36 pm

Qantaga wrote:I suppose Grund has some game functions to monitor between rounds before we move to Newcastle's Governor round?

Yes, please. At the end of each round, I'll be posting an update.

Calculating....

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:12 pm

End of Round 01, the first Governorship of El Guapo.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:12 pm

History:

Round 01
El Guapo: Settler (quarry); Newcastle (indigo); Chaosraven (sugar); LordMortis (corn); Qantaga (indigo)
Newcastle: Prospector (1)
Chaosraven: Builder(sm sugar); LordMortis (sm indigo); Qantaga (sm sugar); El Guapo (sm indigo); Newcastle (tobacco storage)
LordMortis: Mayor (2); Qantaga (1); El Guapo (1); Newcastle (1); Chaosraven (1)
Qantaga: Prospector (1)

Round 2
Newcastle:
Chaosraven:
LordMortis:
Qantaga:
El Guapo:

Start of Round 02:

Victory Point Chips: 122
Doubloons: 47
Colonists in supply: 88
Colonists on inbound ship: 6
Coffee crates in supply: 9
Tobacco crates in supply: 9
Sugar crates in supply: 11
Indigo crates in supply: 11
Corn crates in supply: 10
Trade House: (1) --- (2) --- (3) --- (4) ---

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
The number on the left is the price in doubloons. For worker capacity and VP value, see the BUILDINGS section above.
As these are acquired, I'll put them under erasure and mark them with the initial of the owner EG, N, C, LM, or Q.

Bank Board
Column 1
(1) [small indigo plant LM] [small indigo plant EG] [small indigo plant] [small indigo plant]
(2) [small sugar mill C] [small sugar mill Q] [small sugar mill] [small sugar mill]
(1) [small market] [small market]
(2) [hacienda] [hacienda]
(2) [construction hut] [construction hut]
(3) [small warehouse] [small warehouse]
Column 2
(3) [large indigo plant] [large indigo plant] [large indigo plant]
(4) [large sugar mill] [large sugar mill] [large sugar mill]
(4) [hospice] [hospice]
(5) [office] [office]
(5) [large market] [large market]
(6) [large warehouse] [large warehouse]
Column 3
(5) [tobacco storage N] [tobacco storage] [tobacco storage]
(6) [coffee roaster] [coffee roaster] [coffee roaster]
(7) [university] [university]
(8) [factory] [factory]
(8) [harbor] [harbor]
(9) [wharf] [wharf]
Column 4
(10) [guild hall]
(10) [residence]
(10) [fortress]
(10) [customs house]
(10) [city hall]
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Plantations and Quarries Available
Plantations:

tobacco
indigo
corn
sugar
tobacco
sugar

Quarries:

Quarry EG
Quarry
Quarry
Quarry
Quarry
Quarry
Quarry
Quarry

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
1: El Guapo <== Governor
Victory Points: ???
Doubloons: 03
Idle Colonists: 00
Employed Colonists: 01
Crates on Hand: Corn: 00, Indigo: 00, Sugar: 00, Tobacco: 00, Coffee:00
Plantations and workers:
[indigo______________0] [____________________] [____________________] [quarry______________1]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
Buildings and workers:
[small indigo plant_____0] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

2: Newcastle
Victory Points: ???
Doubloons: 00
Idle Colonists: 00
Employed Colonists: 01
Crates on Hand: Corn: 00, Indigo: 00, Sugar: 00, Tobacco: 00, Coffee:00
Plantations and workers:
[indigo______________0] [tobacco_____________1] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
Buildings and workers:
[tobacco storage______0] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

4: LordMortis
Victory Points: ???
Doubloons: 02
Idle Colonists: 00
Employed Colonists: 02
Crates on Hand: Corn: 00, Indigo: 00, Sugar: 00, Tobacco: 00, Coffee:00
Plantations and workers:
[corn_______________0] [indigo______________1] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
Buildings and workers:
[small indigo plant_____1] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

3: Chaosraven
Victory Points: ???
Doubloons: 03
Idle Colonists: 00
Employed Colonists: 01
Crates on Hand: Corn: 00, Indigo: 00, Sugar: 00, Tobacco: 00, Coffee:00
Plantations and workers:
[indigo______________0] [sugar_______________1] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
Buildings and workers:
[small sugar mill_______0] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

5: Qantaga
Victory Points: ???
Doubloons: 02
Idle Colonists: 00
Employed Colonists: 01
Crates on Hand: Corn: 00, Indigo: 00, Sugar: 00, Tobacco: 00, Coffee:00
Plantations and workers:
[corn_______________0] [sugar_______________1] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
Buildings and workers:
[small sugar mill______0] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
[____________________] [____________________] [____________________] [____________________]
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

Builder (+0)
Captain (+1)
Craftsman (+1)
Mayor (+0)
Prospector (+0)
Prospector (+0)
Settler (+0)
Trader (+1)

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:25 pm

Action on Governor Newcastle!

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:34 pm

Settler - taking one of the tobacco plantations

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:40 pm

Newcastle wrote:Settler - taking one of the tobacco plantations

As the Settler, you do have an option on a quarry. Do you prefer the tobacco plantation?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:51 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Settler - taking one of the tobacco plantations
As the Settler, you do have an option on a quarry. Do you prefer the tobacco plantation?

tobacco please

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:57 pm

All yours. That leaves (see what I did there?):

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

Builder (+0)
Captain (+1)
Craftsman (+1)
Mayor (+0)
Prospector (+0)
Prospector (+0)
Settler (+0) N
Trader (+1)

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

tobacco N
indigo
corn
sugar
tobacco
sugar

Action on Chaosraven!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:35 pm

Corn, please

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:40 pm

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

Builder (+0)
Captain (+1)
Craftsman (+1)
Mayor (+0)
Prospector (+0)
Prospector (+0)
Settler (+0) N
Trader (+1)

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

tobacco N
indigo
corn C
sugar
tobacco
sugar

Qantaga: this flowchart shows where Goods come from, etc.

Action on LordMortis!

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:25 am

Indigo to qantaga

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:48 am

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

Builder (+0)
Captain (+1)
Craftsman (+1)
Mayor (+0)
Prospector (+0)
Prospector (+0)
Settler (+0) N
Trader (+1)

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

tobacco N
indigo LM
corn C
sugar Q
tobacco EG
sugar

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:57 am

Thanks for the flowchart Grund! That's a big help.

Sugar, please.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:40 am

Tobacco, please

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:48 am

I will take Mayor for 3 colonists, fill my spots.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:53 am

Who'd have guessed?

I move no colonists and place the new one on my corn.

Mayor to qantaga.