The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:16 pm

It is now Night 8

Night: Events happen in turn order
Qui Gon Jinn: Who will you uber protect?
Joruus C’Baoth: Did you lynch an Imperial? If so, you get a scan. You will be notified by PM.
General Grievous: Did you lynch a Jedi? If so, you get a scan. You will be notified by PM.
Jabba the Hutt: Did you help lynch Solo? If so, then you get a free scan. You will be notified by PM.
Garm Bel Iblis: Did you lynch an Imperial? If so, you get to ask yes/no question. You will be notified by PM.
Ventress: Will you scan for either Rebel or Imperial?
Grand Moff Tarkin: Who of the deceased will you scan to learn their true identity?
Han Solo: Will you initiate a block? If so on who?
Mon Mothma: Will you commit the Noble Sacrifice?
Imperials: Who will you kill?
Luke Skywalker: Who will you scan for Vader or Mara?
Emperor: Who will you scan to discern their identity?
Vader: Who will you scan for Luke?
Rukh: Who will you scan for Thrawn?
Obi Wan Kenobi: Who of the deceased will you scan to learn their true identity?
Talon Karrde: Who will you scan to discern their identity?
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Get’s Rebel or Citizen if there is a night death.

Anytime:
Rukh: If you have identified Thrawn, you may interrupt any kill on Thrawn and sacrifice yourself instead.
Cad Bane: Name the player you want to disable.
Admiral Ackbar: Did you meet your secret agenda? If so PM the Mod.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:43 pm

shit.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:10 pm

tru1cy wrote:tools

hey, yeah. Thanks for playing.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:40 pm

wow I'm shocked.. Oh wait.. I'm not. Should have gone with Lagom Lite.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:41 pm

7 Tru1cy <----------------- Unagi, RMC, Lagom Lite, Theohall, Isgrimnur, Chaosraven, Lord Mortis

What a motley crew indeed.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:08 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:
7 Tru1cy <----------------- Unagi, RMC, Lagom Lite, Theohall, Isgrimnur, Chaosraven, Lord Mortis
What a motley crew indeed.

Says the Imperial Mr Bubbles.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:40 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:wow I'm shocked.. Oh wait.. I'm not. Should have gone with Lagom Lite.

Same result.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:30 am

At least the game is still going and I finally have at least a hint of faith that Remus is telling the truth. The wool is probably over my eyes, but meh.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:32 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:wow I'm shocked.. Oh wait.. I'm not.

You could tell Tru1cy was innocent? How? I missed your compelling defense of him. He looked the most guilty to me. Just like Scoop looked the most guilty before.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:35 am

Lassr, isgrimnur, Coopasonic, Mr Bubbles.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:51 am

Chaosraven wrote:Lassr, isgrimnur, Coopasonic, Mr Bubbles.

As of right now, concede a loss to RMC and/or Remus. Aside from that. I got nothing... Well very little anyway.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:54 am

LordMortis wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:wow I'm shocked.. Oh wait.. I'm not.
You could tell Tru1cy was innocent? How? I missed your compelling defense of him. He looked the most guilty to me. Just like Scoop looked the most guilty before.

No, but I could tell there were much better targets. tru1cy wasn't acting any different than past innocent tru1cys. But it is obvious what is going on.

Chaosraven wrote:Lassr, isgrimnur, Coopasonic, Mr Bubbles.

Wow ok.. so we know that Chaosraven is evil. That is one of the worst lists I've seen to this point.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:56 am

So evil is becoming pretty blazen.. I guess it's getting very close and one more miss would do it? So Chaos, LM, Lagom and theo. Who else am I missing?

edit: I meant to put brazen. Oops. Woke up too early.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:58 am

LordMortis wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Lassr, isgrimnur, Coopasonic, Mr Bubbles.
As of right now, concede a loss to RMC and/or Remus. Aside from that. I got nothing... Well very little anyway.

i need to go back again to look for someone dropping Kenobi clues, a Tarkin preparing to fake. Wait. Need to look at Remus list. You realize if Remus is Thrawn or on imp with thrawn and tarkin, only one of Jow El Guapo or Qantaga needs to have been a rebel special for the numbers to add up and get away with the 3p0 spoof.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:00 am

Should examine the grund/unagi split, the grund assassination, and the lynch of the 3 imperials.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:16 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:So evil is becoming pretty blazen.. I guess it's getting very close and one more miss would do it? So Chaos, LM, Lagom and theo. Who else am I missing?

edit: I meant to put brazen. Oops. Woke up too early.

Interesting. We have bat 100% in people accusing me with out accusing me being imperial. Historically, it's been Scoop, Newcastle, and Austin. Just sayin'.

Chaosraven wrote:You realize if Remus is Thrawn or on imp with thrawn and tarkin, only one of Jow El Guapo or Qantaga needs to have been a rebel special for the numbers to add up and get away with the 3p0 spoof.

Hence the conceding a loss. I settled for tru1cy (rather than my preferred pick of lassr or my early suspicion of LL) based on in part on my belief that he was evil and part on my suspicion of being led by an evil remus and refusing to follow his lead. If he's imperial and put the poison in his own cup then, ah well.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:19 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Lassr, isgrimnur, Coopasonic, Mr Bubbles.
Wow ok.. so we know that Chaosraven is evil. That is one of the worst lists I've seen to this point.

I dunno, I can see 2 on that list being evil.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:19 am

Re: remus... Should examine Jow ElG and Q for clues in posts for role. And examine his Why Q post... Possible probe if before R2 came out for actual Kenobi? Making Q special and remus thrawn.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:20 am

On the plus side, we should have another proven when (if) the sun rises.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:24 am

coopasonic wrote:On the plus side, we should have another proven when (if) the sun rises.

Does the sun ever not rise? I am assuming it will. Now if the sun rises and we got shot a bunch and the rebels lose, well that's just going back to conceding the loss... Of course we can decide on who to lynch at night and then lynch them really quickly before shots go off...

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:25 am

Mr B: why is my list the worst ever? You have absolutely *no* suspicion of the three that aren't You?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:26 am

coopasonic wrote:On the plus side, we should have another proven when (if) the sun rises.

which is an interesting question... Who does evil go after now?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:28 am

Chaosraven wrote:
coopasonic wrote:On the plus side, we should have another proven when (if) the sun rises.
which is an interesting question... Who does evil go after now?

Obviously not you.

I fully expect theo, Lagom, you and LM to survive. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:29 am

LordMortis wrote:
coopasonic wrote:On the plus side, we should have another proven when (if) the sun rises.
Does the sun ever not rise? I am assuming it will. Now if the sun rises and we got shot a bunch and the rebels lose, well that's just going back to conceding the loss... Of course we can decide on who to lynch at night and then lynch them really quickly before shots go off...

Oh the sun will rise, we may just not be around to see it. They may not need shots, the game could already be over with the night kill. Getting a lynch before evil can get shots off is pretty unlikely. In that scenario, also known as the "Remus screwed us again", they need two specific actors, we need 6 (every rebel left in the game).

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:32 am

coopasonic wrote:Oh the sun will rise, we may just not be around to see it. They may not need shots, the game could already be over with the night kill. Getting a lynch before evil can get shots off is pretty unlikely. In that scenario, also known as the "Remus screwed us again", they need two specific actors, we need 6 (every rebel left in the game).

If the game is over with the night kill, then it should just be over shouldn't it? bb2112 just steps in and call it then, the moment the rebels can't win, doesn't he?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:33 am

Logically, evil should kill me. If there's doubt about remus, my death would implicate his long history. If remus is imperial, he's been waiting for us to run out of specials to do it and can claim frame.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:34 am

LordMortis wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Oh the sun will rise, we may just not be around to see it. They may not need shots, the game could already be over with the night kill. Getting a lynch before evil can get shots off is pretty unlikely. In that scenario, also known as the "Remus screwed us again", they need two specific actors, we need 6 (every rebel left in the game).
If the game is over with the night kill, then it should just be over shouldn't it? bb2112 just steps in and call it then, the moment the rebels can't win, doesn't he?

Accoridng to you there still exists a scenario where there is no night kill, so there is no assurance it is over.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:35 am

coopasonic wrote:Accoridng to you there still exists a scenario where there is no night kill, so there is no assurance it is over.

And there you go. Didn't even think about that.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:36 am

I believe caution is required for the vote come dawn... If remus is to be believed on numerical (regardless of c3p0/thrawnness), imps have 4. One misstep and a wolfpile later is 5 votes, 6 with dooku.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:38 am

Chaosraven wrote:I believe caution is required for the vote come dawn... If remus is to be believed on numerical (regardless of c3p0/thrawnness), imps have 4. One misstep and a wolfpile later is 5 votes, 6 with dooku.

... Or a quick snap into reckless abandon... What isn't going to be good is a quick snap into two or three different players.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:38 am

Hmmm. Would it make sense to leave LM alive, power expended? It essentially proves him if nobody dies. If remus dies we trust RMC. If remus dies we also have the info confirmed.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:40 am

Chaosraven wrote: If remus dies we trust RMC.

While I can't see ever lynching RMC at this point, why do trust RMC if remus dies?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:41 am

Chaosraven wrote:Hmmm. Would it make sense to leave LM alive, power expended?

Not as long as you have a shooter.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:41 am

LordMortis wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:I believe caution is required for the vote come dawn... If remus is to be believed on numerical (regardless of c3p0/thrawnness), imps have 4. One misstep and a wolfpile later is 5 votes, 6 with dooku.

... Or a quick snap into reckless abandon... What isn't going to be good is a quick snap into two or three different players.

well if we get a dual consensus (a if alive, else b) before dawn, we could rush a vote, hoping to hit shootertype. But I would like to go read (and not on my phone) for the things I noted above.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:43 am

LordMortis wrote:
Chaosraven wrote: If remus dies we trust RMC.
While I can't see ever lynching RMC at this point, why do trust RMC if remus dies?

becuase remus claimed No Emperor. Unless RmC is faking Mara? Hmm. Might have to reconsider that.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:43 am

Chaosraven wrote:Mr B: why is my list the worst ever? You have absolutely *no* suspicion of the three that aren't You?

Lagom did one of the most transparent things possible and he is not on that list? I fully admit I missed a chunk of the game, but after reading that it was so amazingly obvious what he was trying to do, that anyone who didn't pick up on it raised my ire. Also.. the people acting most wolfish are off that list. That is why I think it is the worst list. But we all know that the good guys don't have many misses left, which is why it is logically for the bad guys to throw as many bad leads as possible and confuse the good guys.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:44 am

Chaosraven wrote:Unless RmC is faking Mara?

That was my doubt of RMC all along. But I figured if he was, so be it.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:45 am

LordMortis wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Hmmm. Would it make sense to leave LM alive, power expended?
Not as long as you have a shooter.

good point. Numerically a night kill and shooting wedge helps imperial more than leaving other suspected to hide in.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:48 am

LordMortis wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Unless RmC is faking Mara?
That was my doubt of RMC all along. But I figured if he was, so be it.

Which was also why I thought remus should scan me or rmc... which is also largely why I doubt(ed) remus... but like I said, at this point, with the tru1cy miss, I'm conceding that battle is nigh on impossible if remus is empire... and is also why I wanted to go after Lassr and not be caught in a dichotomy potentially set up by imperials...

(And yes I know remus doesn't technically scan)

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:51 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Mr B: why is my list the worst ever? You have absolutely *no* suspicion of the three that aren't You?
Lagom did one of the most transparent things possible and he is not on that list? I fully admit I missed a chunk of the game, but after reading that it was so amazingly obvious what he was trying to do, that anyone who didn't pick up on it raised my ire. Also.. the people acting most wolfish are off that list. That is why I think it is the worst list. But we all know that the good guys don't have many misses left, which is why it is logically for the bad guys to throw as many bad leads as possible and confuse the good guys.

let's see. Lagom acted confoozled about rules (as did other proven dead good), and lassr throws my own quote back at me, which makes me suspect lassr more. Lassr and isgrimnur activity convinces me the are evil. Theohalls violent temper and irrational behavior makes me believe he is a frustrated citizen. Unagis legwork to catch newcastle (and scoop) reminds me of my own calling out newc regarding scoop and austins (slip?), so he's lower on my list. Remus is iffy (waiting so long) lm claims wedge and rmc lives in the house of cards under remus/lm. You and coop have sneakiness. So yeah, I suspect the pair of you as well. Moreso now that you object so strenuously to my list. Who listens to me anyway? Reminds me of newcastle spastically fanning at my "why did you omit scoop"