The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:28 pm

Unagi wrote:In the off chance of an imperial fart. Can you guys join me on Remus?

I don't think any of that matters unless someone pulls a vote off of LL.

And then my vote still goes to RMC first.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:37 pm

Sure. remus west

hey, who knows, maybe dooku or vader screwed the pooch and sent the order to grund instead.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:44 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote:In the off chance of an imperial fart. Can you guys join me on Remus?
I don't think any of that matters unless someone pulls a vote off of LL.

And then my vote still goes to RMC first.

until the end

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:47 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Sure. remus west

hey, who knows, maybe dooku or vader screwed the pooch and sent the order to grund instead.

exactly, or to "choke Mr Bubbles".

nothing matters unless Mr B moves anyhow - and then it looks like LM wants to argue 'who' to lynch.

Was there any hope at all for us?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:51 pm

Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Sure. remus west

hey, who knows, maybe dooku or vader screwed the pooch and sent the order to grund instead.
exactly, or to "choke Mr Bubbles".

nothing matters unless Mr B moves anyhow - and then it looks like LM wants to argue 'who' to lynch.

Was there any hope at all for us?

mr b "be obtuse". And if LM wants to split the vote on imps and we can argue until deadline I would be ok with that.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:53 pm

Withdraw Lagom Lite

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:54 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Sure. remus west

hey, who knows, maybe dooku or vader screwed the pooch and sent the order to grund instead.
exactly, or to "choke Mr Bubbles".

nothing matters unless Mr B moves anyhow - and then it looks like LM wants to argue 'who' to lynch.

Was there any hope at all for us?
mr b "be obtuse". And if LM wants to split the vote on imps and we can argue until deadline I would be ok with that.

Be obtuse.. good one.. Chaosraving...

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:55 pm

Unagi wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote:In the off chance of an imperial fart. Can you guys join me on Remus?
I don't think any of that matters unless someone pulls a vote off of LL.

And then my vote still goes to RMC first.

until the end

Nope. Just my preference. In the meantime I wait to see what happens with say LL's vote or Theo's vote to see if anyone pulls a vote off LL. It's all sort of moot until that happens.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:55 pm

Wait. Mr B pulled his vote. Now I'd like to hear from bb2112 to see if LL is dead.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:00 pm

Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Sure. remus west

hey, who knows, maybe dooku or vader screwed the pooch and sent the order to grund instead.
exactly, or to "choke Mr Bubbles".

nothing matters unless Mr B moves anyhow - and then it looks like LM wants to argue 'who' to lynch.

Was there any hope at all for us?

If there is not.. There were several people (myself included) who did not help the good guys. I could have sworn that Chaos was evil. He just didn't play like a rebel to me.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:02 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Sure. remus west

hey, who knows, maybe dooku or vader screwed the pooch and sent the order to grund instead.
exactly, or to "choke Mr Bubbles".

nothing matters unless Mr B moves anyhow - and then it looks like LM wants to argue 'who' to lynch.

Was there any hope at all for us?
mr b "be obtuse". And if LM wants to split the vote on imps and we can argue until deadline I would be ok with that.

If LL lives through a five person pile on why would I jump on as rebel onto another pile on without gaining a better understanding?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:03 pm

withdraw RMC

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:14 pm

ok, I give up.

withdraw Remus West

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:20 pm

I am not a crook.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:30 pm

Remus West wrote:I am a cock.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:21 pm

Just got back to a computer. Am working through what happened. Update soon.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:38 pm

Everyone is sitting around the breakfast table eating their curds and whey when suddenly Remus West,

RMC,

and Isgrimnur

stand up and point their blasters at the rest of you sitting at the table.

Remus West announces, “I think it is time for this farce to be over.”

Lord Mortis

looks up in surprise, “How can it be over? There are only 3 of you, and there are 7 of us. I think someone is having delusions of grandeur.

Lassr

stands up. “Actually there are 4 of us and 6 of you. Now I think it is time that you bow down before your new Emperor.”

Rising to confront Lassr, Unagi get’s in his face. “Don’t try and frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you win your war, nor has it given you clairvoyance enough to find and kill all the Rebel High Command.” Suddenly Lassr clutches Unagi’s throat and squeezes. Choking sounds can be heard coming from Unagi as he desperately tries to get air.

Lassr looks him in the eyes, “I find your lack of faith disturbing.” The rest of the Rebels watch with horrified expressions as Lassr finishes choking Unagi and tosses his body across the room.

Voting is now closed

Another write up to follow

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:43 pm

Day 9 Vote - Final Vote Tally as of 3:13PM Eastern

1. Isgrimnur ---------------> Lagom Lite, Lagom Lite
2. RMC ---------------------> Lagom Lite
3. Lassr --------------------> Lagom Lite
4. Mr. Bubbles -------------> Lagom Lite
5. Chaosraven ------------->
6. Remus West ------------> Lagom Lite
7. Theohall ---------------> Chaosraven
8. Lord Mortis ----------->
9. Lagom Lite -----------> Lassr

5 Lagom Lite <--------- Mr. Bubbles, Remus West, RMC, Isgrimnur, Lassr
1 Lassr <---------------- Lagom Lite

No Votes:

Majority is 6

Dead
Day 1 <------------ Stessier - Syringed
Night 1 <---------- Redrun - Garroted
Night 2 <---------- Jow - Injected
Day 3 <------------ Grundbegriff - Blasted
Night 3 <---------- Triggercut - Nailed
Night 4 <---------- Qantaga - Knifed
Day 5 <------------- Austin - Needled
Night 5 <----------- El Guapo - Strangled
Day 6 <------------- Newcastle - Poisoned
Night 6 <----------- Purge - Bashed
Day 7 <------------- Scoop20906 - Executed
Night 7 <----------- Warpig - Exploded
Day 8 <------------- Tru1cy - Bombed
Night 8 <----------- Coopasonic - Bugged
Day 9 <------------- Unagi - Choked

Deadline is June 28th 9PM Eastern

Day: All day actions happen first come first served
Count Dooku: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Yoda: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Darth Maul: Who will you take with you to the afterlife?
Boba Fett: Who will you protect from the lynch?
Admiral Ackbar: Will you public declare?
Rukh: Who will you assassinate?
Boba Fett: If your scan reveals a Rebel, will you kill the Rebel?
Greedo: Who will you shoot?
Leia Organa: Who will you stun?
Vader: Who will you choke to death?
R2D2: Who will receive your 3 secret votes for a lynch?
C3PO: Will you ask the Mod through PM what role started in the game?
Chewbacca: Who's arms will you tear off?
Han Solo: Will you initiate a block? If so on who?
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Get’s Rebel or Citizen if there is a successful lynch of a Rebel or Citizen.

Anytime:
Rukh: If you have identified Thrawn, you may interrupt any kill on Thrawn and sacrifice yourself instead.
Cad Bane: Name the player you want to disable.
Admiral Ackbar: Did you meet your secret agenda? If so PM the Mod.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:44 pm

Remus West looks at each of the remaining Rebels. “This is where it gets interesting. See, with nine of us still alive, that means the majority is now five instead of six. By my calculation, Lagom Lite is now supposed to die. Mara?” Mara levels her blaster and shoots a shocked Lagom in the face. “Now let’s look at the math. Well, isn’t this interesting. There are 4 of us, and 4 of you. This looks like game over.”

Chaosraven looks over at Mr. Bubbles, “Congratulations you moron! You just killed us all!”

“No, I didn’t!” objects Mr. Bubbles “Stop Chaosraving! I am sure we can find a way out. There is always a way out. We just need to stay calm and think.”

Lord Mortis looks up at Remus West, “Finally! Just end it! I want to die and be done already!”

There are four quick shots fired and the remaining Rebels, Chaosraven, Mr. Bubbles, Lord Mortis and Theohall are now dead.

Empire Victory

Everyone will have access to the Imperial and Spoiler forums soon.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:47 pm

Player List:

1. Isgrimnur <------------------ General Grievous
2. El Guapo <------------------- Luke Skywalker
3. Qantaga <------------------- Citizen
4. RMC <------------------------ Mara Jade
5. Lassr <----------------------- Darth Vader
6. Mr. Bubbles <--------------- Citizen
7. Coopasonic <---------------- Citizen
8. Chaosraven <---------------- Citizen
9. Remus West <--------------- Grand Admiral Thrawn
10. Scoop20906 <-------------- Count Dooku
11. Redrun <-------------------- Mon Mothma
12. Stessier <------------------- Citizen
13. Jow <------------------------ Citizen
14. Grundbegriff <------------- Talon Karrde
15. Theohall <------------------- Citizen
16. Tru1cy <--------------------- Citizen
17. Purge <---------------------- Yoda
18. Lord Mortis <---------------- Wedge Antilles
19. Austin <---------------------- Boba Fett
20. Unagi <----------------------- Citizen
21. Triggercut <----------------- Citizen
22. Newcastle <------------------ Emperor Palpatine
23. Warpig <--------------------- R2D2
24. Lagom Lite <---------------- Citizen

Roles

The Rebel Specials:
2. El Guapo ------------- Luke Skywalker
11. Redrun -------------- Mon Mothma
14. Grundbegriff ------- Talon Karrde
17. Purge --------------- Yoda
18. Lord Mortis --------- Wedge Antilles
23. Warpig ------------- R2D2

The Imperials:
1. Isgrimnur ------------ General Grievous
5. Lassr ----------------- Darth Vader
9. Remus West --------- Grand Admiral Thrawn
10. Scoop20906 -------- Count Dooku
19. Austin -------------- Boba Fett
22. Newcastle ---------- Emperor Palpatine

4. RMC ------------------ Mara Jade

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:48 pm

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:50 pm

Wow guys! What a game!

It looked like the Imperials were going to run away with the game, but then the Rebels started fighting back. It looked like there was a glimmer of hope, but then RMC got turned and Remus came out as C3PO.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:55 pm

bb2112 wrote:Everyone will have access to the Imperial and Spoiler forums soon.

Page 9 will be an interesting read.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:01 pm

Damnit! How many times did I have to say Remus West was Thrawn????

Oh well. I was wrong too often on other things.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:02 pm

Ok, everyone should have access to the Imperial and Spoiler forums now.

Except for Lord Mortis and Mr. Bubbles. You two need to sign up with the site, then I can give you access to the SW TESB forums. Send me a PM when you sign up and I will get access.

http://ooww.freeforums.org/" target="_blank

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:12 pm

I will just crawl into a hole and die. Thank you.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:58 pm

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:29 pm

Well. Fun game, wish I kept more heat on Remus, um - like the entire time - damn. like I said: glowing evil.

And- yes, Unicorn Flowers - I'm pissed I didn't press you all to listen to that, too.

Sorry for pissing anyone off.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:40 pm

Ok, now that the game is over, I would like some opinions.

Do people prefer not knowing the roles in the game? Or would you prefer a standard set up with everyone knowing roles up front?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:46 pm

I don't mind not knowing the roles since we play plenty of others games where we know the roles. I wouldn't want to do all the time though because it is more frustrating.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:48 pm

bb2112 wrote: a standard set up with everyone knowing roles up front?

to me, that's more fun.

While the 'unknown roster game' is certainly a bunch of "giggly fun" on the wolf side, it creates a ton of needless noise to re-re-read - and ultimately - IMO -it's actually less fun for all involved.

It adds 'crazy', but it's not needed for the game to be fun.

Who's the wolf.... I have fun enough with that.

Fun roles are fun, but debating endlessly about the composition of the game has limited appeal, IMO.
And then, when the composition of the game is totally up in the air, I think it actually sours the fun for the search for the bad guys a bit.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:51 pm

Lassr wrote:I don't mind not knowing the roles since we play plenty of others games where we know the roles. I wouldn't want to do all the time though because it is more frustrating.

Yeah, like I said - it's a whole bunch of giggly-fun on the wolf side (Moderator side too, which is why CR gravitates toward them when he mods, he can't pass up a good giggle.

)

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:53 pm

but I do prefer the "know the roles" games. Not knowing the roles tends to cause the game to dwell on different scenarios that might not even be in the game and can waste a lot of time looking for wolves. But as I said every blue moon it can be fun.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:54 pm

Yes, I agree with what Unagi said above.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:53 pm

Remus was a bad guy and I lived to the final vote... *faints*

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:35 am

That was a lot of fun - thanks to bb for running it. In case you didn't look I was Luke. I'm horribly embarrassed that I didn't pick up on the "conflicted citizen" part, but then in my defense that was what, like a month or two IRL into it, and I hadn't read the role descriptions for weeks at least. At least the imperials evidently missed it too, and it would've been fine if Lassr hadn't hit me with his Vader scan the night before. Ah well.

I feel like I've only played with "undetermined roles" for the most part, so I'd like to try defined roles, I suppose. Really the main difficulty I had with this game was more that it was probably too big, and/or people too loquacious, that it made it too daunting to go back and read through the thread for clues. So my hat's off to those of you that did.

Ah, the tragedy of Lagom, doing an epic re-read and getting 90% of it right, but then getting waived away because the 10% of what he got wrong was Scoop...

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:50 am

El Guapo wrote:That was a lot of fun - thanks to bb for running it. In case you didn't look I was Luke. I'm horribly embarrassed that I didn't pick up on the "conflicted citizen" part, but then in my defense that was what, like a month or two IRL into it, and I hadn't read the role descriptions for weeks at least. At least the imperials evidently missed it too, and it would've been fine if Lassr hadn't hit me with his Vader scan the night before. Ah well.

I feel like I've only played with "undetermined roles" for the most part, so I'd like to try defined roles, I suppose. Really the main difficulty I had with this game was more that it was probably too big, and/or people too loquacious, that it made it too daunting to go back and read through the thread for clues. So my hat's off to those of you that did.

Ah, the tragedy of Lagom, doing an epic re-read and getting 90% of it right, but then getting waived away because the 10% of what he got wrong was Scoop...

Yeah.. I feel horrible, as I thought no way is Luke in the game..Then to come out on the same turn they found you..And then they kill you and convert me.. Gah...

But it was a great game!

But I like knowing the roles that are in the game..It is too easy for someone like me to do what I did this game. And for Remus to do what he did as well..

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:04 am

Congratulations to evil - well played.

I thought we were in pretty deep water when Grund turned up legit. We lynched our Seer... When Austin and Newcastle were found, I thought we had a shot again, but then I fumbled on reading Scoop (underestimated his sneakiness) and my credibility went out the window... I don't blame Bubbles for voting me off. Good guys made many mistakes this game, but I think most it was because of ennui and ferocious activity from the Empire players.

So, good game. I'm going to read the spoiler forum and then I'll take a break from WW. I've played almost non-stop since 2009.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:59 am

Pffff.
You call that 'playing' ?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:15 am

El Guapo wrote:Ah, the tragedy of Lagom, doing an epic re-read and getting 90% of it right, but then getting waived away because the 10% of what he got wrong was Scoop...

Yeah, this was a monkey wrench in my head too.

I actually (and I think I said as much) liked a lot of Lagom's analysis, and also kept the idea that he was Good as a constant drum beat in my head - and yet I really didn't like how he took us away from Scoop.
(Additionally, his "really bored" comment when paired with his enormous analysis effort - it just made the 'really bored' comment seem false...)

When we still lynched Scoop, and he was confirmed Imperial:
1) I was amazed and condemning of anyone that then still felt that I was evil... (I mean, c'mon Lagom clear Scoop - and I insisted we still lynch him) (El Guapo, tru1cy fit that profile as well, further planting him as evil in my head)
2) I was turned around by Mr Bubbles bloodlust on Lagom, and thought that was some kind of evil manuever.
3) Lagom's desire to have us move off Scoop and onto "Isgrimnur or Lassr" was something that I wasn't sure I could actually put faith in, and was the ONLY thing that made we worry I was wrong about Isgrimnur.

in hind sight, instead of tru1cy, it would have been great if we had just missed on Lagom instead. After that, I think we may very well have circled back and found Remus to be all over Lagom, and that Lagom's reads on Isgrimnur and Lassr were legit. Again, a reason why tru1cy should have just been our day 1 kill instead of stessier. At the end of the game, I think tru1cy was (and maybe LM

) the only Good player that considered me an good lynch test.

Likewise, to some degree, Mr Bubbles being mostly gone the whole game creates 'no data' , and that gives players nothing to work with.

TO ME: This game isn't JUST about finding wolves, it's about 'clearing humans' just as much (Putting El G, LM, and coop in my "Not a wolf" list , for instance) - and silent players offer nothing to me in that regard. So, I have little need for them at the end game, and I think I will never start a game where I'm not pushing hard to kill them.

Also, I will point out that this is the second run of this game where 'Mara' in effect, won the game, and - well - I am probably never signing up for a game with a conversion in it again, I personally, just don't like em, ever.