(Almost) Simple WW Game #2 - Game Over

[Newcastle]

Wouldn't that mean we have three misses? Since the game would not be over with 5 players and 2 wolves, we would have one more miss.

No, because at 5 we have 0 misses left. We have to hit or else game over. In fact at 5 if we havent hit, we have to hit 2 in a row to win.

That's also why i am kicking over every stone here. Because I am afraid of the death spiral if you lynch say: austin then newc...we both turn up innocent.

I think if i were a wolf, i'd keep on selling the mole has to be in the three line. I'd also keep Bb alive as well. So the choice on that day would lean heavily toward BB because everyone was still enamored w/ the Mole theory.

[bb2112]

BB - i am not saying my way IS the way. But my thought process is the following:

1. Newc is innocent
2. BB - i feel is most likely innocent
3. Austin - there can be a case made for him being innocent. Through the PM's between all 4 of us, they supplied me with enough reasons to at least build a case for reasonable doubt that Austin was a wolf and could be innocent.

And if Austin wasnt a wolf, BB wasnt and i wasnt...then that left the other avenue....And as i fleshed it out more, it seemed a possibility than people were giving it.

I get it. I worry about your all three of us being innocent scenario more than you can possibly know, however, I keep coming back to occams razor. I think one of us has to be a wolf, and I hope I am not wrong.

I've said my 2 cents, so I'm going to shut up and I'm not going to vote. I don't want the village getting clouded with my thought process. At this point, it is going to be up to the rest of the village to make a decision on how they want to handle this mess. At least IMHO.

[bb2112]

Wouldn't that mean we have three misses? Since the game would not be over with 5 players and 2 wolves, we would have one more miss.

No, because at 5 we have 0 misses left. We have to hit or else game over. In fact at 5 if we havent hit, we have to hit 2 in a row to win.

I was thinking of it like 3 strikes you're out. But I see what you are saying.

[Austin]

I am bothered by my bb trust. He seems to be a bit accepting of it too.

[bb2112]

I am bothered by my bb trust. He seems to be a bit accepting of it too.

Then vote for me. Do what you have to do.

I've already said the village should lynch us three. I would just be sad that the first lynch would be a miss, but I will get over it as long as the village wins.

[Newcastle]

The story of Lassr:

So any quiet ones on that list? Get them out of the way quickly; Qantaga better start talking!

Qantaga better start talking!

You are confusing quantity with contribution. You know better, which makes me instantly suspicious of your motivations.

I feel free this game so I want to rattle some cages!

wait, there was no flavor text about the killing of kinetickid so why are we hunting for wolves that may not exist?

Honestly I feel like I should start werewolf games in the proven column. I've played in maybe 15 games that utilize a traitor mechanic, and I have never, not once, drawn a traitor / wolf role. I assume the universe regards me as a nice, trustworthy fellow, and 'randomly' assigns the traitor roles to no-good scalawags.

Note that this also has implications as to the existence of God and free will, but we'll get into that part later.

until this game...right?

Well this game just got interesting. I lay down and find a dead horse head in my bed.

Left overs from your feast?

Kindly do not lynch me during the night. Lassr especially.

Well, it would require some help from others

You know,  El Guapo 
 


because he chose to throw the "I've never been a wolf" comment in our face.

El Guapo makes a very strong argument.

Naw, that's just his breath. Reek's of rotted meat.

Obviously, I'm Wolf.

Hey, you are not on the list!

Anyone have any thoughts on Austin? Be wary of any PM from him!

Can't believe Remus hasn't garnered a vote yet.

Qantaga better start talking!

You are confusing quantity with contribution. You know better, which makes me instantly suspicious of your motivations.

No Votes (4): Bubbles, Remus West, triggercut, Qantaga

Qantaga posts since the one above: Zero.

<Lassr dangles a raw piece of meat in front of the cage>

Qantaga posts since the one above: Zero...

You realize this is a PM allowed game, don't you?

I'm here and quite fully engaged.

No Votes (4): Bubbles, Remus West, triggercut, Qantaga

And, even though it's Day 1 (still more than three days to deadline), I do like to think a bit before casting what is mostly a random vote.

See, that raw meat drew you out didn't it!

 austin 
 


i think he's a wolf...got a PM from him claiming seer...oh yeah...i went there...i dont believe him

I got the PM too, but man.. if he turned out to be the real seer, you just screwed us over...

So, that is 2 of the 4 Austin claimed to have PM'ed.

I certainly didn't make up my mind about Austin one way or another, but I would have liked to give him more time to also gather information on my end. that outing causes that avenue to be shut prematurely. Would have liked it to play out a bit more than it did.. Thanks Newcastle...

+1

I was waiting to see where Austin was going with this.

See, I think it could've been made by a brazen wolf, but I wanted to see where he went with it. Wanted to give him a turn or two. I was about to ask him who his other contacts were, mostly because I figured that if Austin's contacts turned out to be a wolf hit-list, we'd know which team he played on. But hey, give him a shot, and if he turns up a wolf in the first two turns then kudos to him.

Honestly, it was a puzzling play by Austin. Really questionable. I have numerous questions about it that we can discuss to take this a different direction now that watching Austin to see what he does is off the table.

I asked him the same thing and he told me to be patient.

If stess has not problem with the posting of PMs then do it. I say with names.

My biggest problem--and Unagi and Newcastle and I are all in the same boat on this--is Austin's decision to use timeliness of reply as his key "Wolf Detector" here.
.

well, I have used that exact test in prior PM games. So I don't think much of that but that doesn't mean I trust Austin...far from it.

Austin gets bored when he's on a wolf team but doesn't have wolfy powers beyond just group nighttime kills.

In one game (Bloodsucking Freaks, I think) I was converted to team evil. Austin at one point seriously suggested posting a doctored up post to make it look like he'd just posted a PM.

Seriously.

He thought that was a good play.

Bakh and I talked him out of it.

I'm beginning to think that the other two wolves couldn't talk him out of this. Dunno. He leans wolfy to me.

Heh, remember in the game we just finished where Austin faked that he posted in the wrong forum. We, the other imperials, didn't think anyone would believe it.

I fessed up to him at this point to avoid him Newcastling. (I also fessed to Qantaga, and told Lassr to wait a t one point to avoid them Newcastling)

I'm a little curious about when you told Lassr to wait.

The Story of Lassr.
Message 1

hmmm, sure I'll play along. If you are a wolf we'll see where this leads. If you are truly the seer then what huge pair of kahunas you are sporting. If you are a villager playing around then kudos.

Message 2

if you truly are the seer I would probably agree but what mistake are you talking about?

Was it after his reply to Message 2, or was there further correspondence from Lassr on the subject?

it was in between message 1 and message 2 when I asked about the other PM recipients.

Austin's move does not seem like a wolf move he would make IMHO. But it might be best to test him and if he does turn up village then look at his suspicions of Newcastle and triggercut.

I do feel like Newcastle or Austin would make a good first lynch though. Just not sure which direction to go first.

Going back over the Austin Seer Archives. Anyone who had the sense to ask who the other two people were in case Austin got lynched get a passing grade. The wolves probably wouldn't care because they already know the answers.

Really? You don't think the wolves would be interested in that info also?

I fessed up to him at this point to avoid him Newcastling. (I also fessed to Qantaga, and told Lassr to wait a t one point to avoid them Newcastling)

I'm a little curious about when you told Lassr to wait.

The Story of Lassr.
Message 1

hmmm, sure I'll play along. If you are a wolf we'll see where this leads. If you are truly the seer then what huge pair of kahunas you are sporting. If you are a villager playing around then kudos.

Message 2

if you truly are the seer I would probably agree but what mistake are you talking about?

Was it after his reply to Message 2, or was there further correspondence from Lassr on the subject?

it was in between message 1 and message 2 when I asked about the other PM recipients.

Sorry, I had the timing wrong. It was after message 2.

I went back and looked at our conversation and I can remember typing up a pm asking who the other PMs were to in case he died but never sent it. I thought I had. But I do remember deleting it now and decided to wait and see where Austin was going with this ruse. I did think it was a ruse from the start.

So his Wait PM was after I asked him about his mistake.

[Newcastle]

note to self 2 sequentially

here it is.

if you truly are the seer I would probably agree but what mistake are you talking about?

Shhhh... hold your horses. Don't get antsy. I am waiting for something and I will do something. Sheesh.

The more I think about Trig's behaviour, and Newc/El Guapo's similar attacks. The harebrained/stupid/discrediting, the personal look at my dumb moves in previous games, and general focused rush on me - the more I think we could have a sweep available. Please, let's lynch Newcastle or Trig today. If a wolf, scan Guapo or the other and if a wolf let us know via a proxy. Then the remaining one. If at anytime we miss, scan or lynch me. (unless I am dead)

Trig claims he is not the seer and I have offered about the most compelling Day 1 evidence you're gonna' get. Newc and Trig are tied for my tops, with El Guapo as runner up. Vote Triggercut or Newcastle for lynch.

I'd be willing to vote for one today and see what that gets us. Nabs us a wolf then we can continue on tomorrow, nabs a villager then some reassessment will be needed.

The more I think about Trig's behaviour, and Newc/El Guapo's similar attacks. The harebrained/stupid/discrediting, the personal look at my dumb moves in previous games, and general focused rush on me - the more I think we could have a sweep available. Please, let's lynch Newcastle or Trig today. If a wolf, scan Guapo or the other and if a wolf let us know via a proxy. Then the remaining one. If at anytime we miss, scan or lynch me. (unless I am dead)

Trig claims he is not the seer and I have offered about the most compelling Day 1 evidence you're gonna' get. Newc and Trig are tied for my tops, with El Guapo as runner up. Vote Triggercut or Newcastle for lynch.

I'd be willing to vote for one today and see what that gets us. Nabs us a wolf then we can continue on tomorrow, nabs a villager then some reassessment will be needed.

That's what I said, I or what I meant to say, I think.

It is, I was just saying I'm willing. As I stated this does not feel like a wolf move from you. Oh you've fooled me before but I'd like to think I have a little more experience these days compared to 5 years ago.

If you did this gambit on day 2 I'd be a lot more leery.

I'd be willing to vote for one today and see what that gets us. Nabs us a wolf then we can continue on tomorrow, nabs a villager then some reassessment will be needed.

I think of the three, NC nabs us the most info. If he is wolf, then yay, if not, then it paints Austin in a pretty bad light. I also think he is most likely a wolf based on my threat matrix, so for me it is a pretty easy decision.

Maybe. My vote is currently on EL Guapo. I want to hear which way Austin wants to vote though. This was his test.

 Newcastle 
 

you following BB2112's suggestion?

 Newcastle 
 

you following BB2112's suggestion?

I know! That's pretty funny, right!?

funny or suspicious.

You seem to be trying to take charge of Austin's gambit with the lists and saying let's try Newcastle first.

I do also worry that maybe Newcastle's rash move was the act of a seer who wanted to call BS on Austin.

I didn't want to say as much, but now that it's seen the light of day, this is pretty much my worry too.

yeah, cats out of the bag, that was my thought also. Which is why I was asking Bubbles about his vote after BB suggested Newcastle as the day's test.

of course now I wonder if the wolves were discussing Newcastle as the seer in PM and El Guapo didn't think when he spilled that info.

As a wolf, as Lassr noted, if you believe him you probably kill him quietly at night, and if you don't you probably hunt for the seer elsewhere.

Thanks for the kudos but that was Qantaga. Although I do agree with it.

Am I the only one who remembers Austin as being a very canny and very devious wolf?

No! Believe me.

It'll be a disaster for the village.

So all 3 of the ones he has chosen are villagers?

Hey gang. Let's have some fun with time stamps, shall we?

Exhibit A, Rulez, from page 1:

Rules

Any player can PM anyone during the Day.
Only Wolves may PM at Night.
Day 1 = 96 hours
All subsequent days = 72 hours
Night = 12 hours minimum and 24 hours maximum (order must be received by deadline or it is forfeit).

(Emphasis added is mine.

Exhibit B, the first PM I got from Austin. You all may check your own for time/date stamps. I'll again add emphasis:

Re: (Almost) Simple WW Game #2 - Game On

Sent: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:26 pm
From: Austin
To: triggercut
So, I like to play and take a shot for the end zone. This may or may not hurt but here is my bold move. I have selected 3 players to PM to hopefully use as seer-bait. I am the seer. I would like to feed one of you my scans, hopefully, if I do not die tonight, allowing us to take out the wolves without outing the. . . well, me.

Might as well roll the dice. If you are a wolf, enjoy. If you are a villager, criticize, but morning will tell if this was smart or not.

Exhibit C, from page 2:

Postby Austin » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:18 pm
Heh. I thought it was night.

Whoa. Good catch.

I hadn't even paid attention to the PM rules since I started getting PMs almost immediately. Austin thought it was night and only wolves can PM at night.

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[Newcastle]

note to self - #3 sequentially

this should be post 3/5

Whoa. Good catch.

I hadn't even paid attention to the PM rules since I started getting PMs almost immediately. Austin thought it was night and only wolves can PM at night.

This is like whacko land all over again.

How is this a 'catch' ?

I believe the rule is that only Wolves may PM EACHOTHER at night.



This was Austin
a) thinking it was night (from what he tells us)
b) not even remotely thinking he was (as a wolf or not) under some NO PM AT NIGHT rule.

How is this 'a great catch'? and/or anything 'on Austin' ???

What is it that triggercut is even trying to say Austin did or thought he did.

(accept a great reminder for all of us, because I didn't remember that rule either - and I would have gone on PMing)

It was a rule I hadn't paid attention to since we started during the day. so good catch on the rule but not sure it means anything as I would have also probably broken the rule if it had been night.

So why--if he thinks it is night--does he send out a PM claiming to be the Seer?

Is that not like coating oneself in chum and jumping into a shark tank?

Why did Austin do so with no fear of being wolf victim #1?

His play and statements here are full of cracks in the foundation.

there are a lot of flaws in his plan. I wondered about the night part also. Was he trying to draw the kill away from the real seer? What are the chances the real seer would get hit on night one anyhow.

Again though, it seems like a plan that had no help in planning. Would his partners not find some of these flaws? Or if he is a wolf did he just take the initiative and dive right in?

Austin thought it was night and only wolves can PM at night.

So, Lassr -

I mean, this is the thing that's almost a joke.

It's like triggercut is saying this:

Austin is a wolf.
He thought it was Night.
The rule allowed him (and only him, as a wolf) to PM at night.
So He Did !!

He must be a wolf !!!



If only wolves are allowed to PM at night, wouldn't it stand to argue that wolves aware of this rule wouldn't broadcast their alignment by exercising in an activity that only they can do?

I actually agree with you.

When triggercut first brought it up I thought Austin and his partners were PMing and then it slipped his mind that the village could not PM. But the more I think about it the more likely story is he just didn't know the rule. I didn't know the rule. Of course, none of this implies I trust him.

Austin thought it was night and only wolves can PM at night.

So, Lassr -

I mean, this is the thing that's almost a joke.

It's like triggercut is saying this:

Austin is a wolf.
He thought it was Night.
The rule allowed him (and only him, as a wolf) to PM at night.
So He Did !!

He must be a wolf !!!



If only wolves are allowed to PM at night, wouldn't it stand to argue that wolves aware of this rule wouldn't broadcast their alignment by exercising in an activity that only they can do?

So set that aside, Unagi.

Why would someone interested in collecting and sharing data make PM's that would make them a primary wolf target during the time of the game when that player believes the wolves to be active and deciding on a target?

that is also a valid point.

Did he think the wolves would know he was not the seer since they all got the PM and just ignore him? They could have killed him just to shut him up or just in case he was the seer pulling a stunt.

It seems so convoluted as a wolf ploy but also as a villager/seer ploy, yet we know it must be one.

stuff

If I was a wolf you'd think I'd be a little more careful.

I'm going in circles on the whole Austin/Newcastle/triggercut trio. I just can't picture Austin pulling this stunt as a whole but that may be the beauty of the ploy. If triggercut or Newcastle is a wolf then they have really stuck their neck on the chopping block. I'm still debating who I'd like tested as I feel there needs to be a test.

I plan on changing my vote before the deadline, may not have time tomorrow to dwell on this too much. My grandfather passed away Sunday and tomorrow is the funeral.

Thanks for all the good thoughts. Tough burying a big part of my childhood.

Getting caught up now.

I am going to put this in really big bold letters so any body catching up won't miss it.

Kidding. Were the PM written a bit differently, I think it would have had a greater chance at outing the seer. Something along the lines of, "I was contacted by the seer and he said. . . Luckily I am a villager but it could have been dangerous and so he asked me to . . ." Not sure what the filler would be. This way the real seer would have a better chance to connect with the PM'er and say, "Wait! You were not contacted by the real seer for I am he."

Wouldn't work on everyone but probably on Lassr.

Why would anyone want to out the Seer on Night One? Remember, Austin thought it was night when he sent his PMs. I can see a wolf doing this, but not any respectable villager.

I read that as him saying If he was a wolf then he could have worded it to be more beneficial for the wolf team.

Ya know, i am really wondering if people's hesitance on Austin is the fact that he's PM'd folks w/ a further private conversation. Unagi has really, really gone to bat for Austin. Much more than usual.

I have not heard from him since he told me to hold my horses. I just find that Austin's wolf ploys are a little better thought out than this. And he does ask for feedback from his partners before he does this stuff (i.e. the Star Wars game). This looks like a plan that was not well thought out and he had no help with it.

Ya know, i am really wondering if people's hesitance on Austin is the fact that he's PM'd folks w/ a further private conversation. Unagi has really, really gone to bat for Austin. Much more than usual.

I have not heard from him since he told me to hold my horses. I just find that Austin's wolf ploys are a little better thought out than this. And he does ask for feedback from his partners before he does this stuff (i.e. the Star Wars game). This looks like a plan that was not well thought out and he had no help with it.

Let me re-iterate. Does this proves he's human? Hell No. He could be doing the "Ain't no way a wolf would so this so as a wolf I will do it so I don't look wolfy" move. I think Grund tried that a few times. Not sure it's ever worked though. So, I'm not leaning toward voting for him today.
I'm reluctant to vote for Newcastle today. I've mentioned earlier why.

That leaves triggercut. I have no problem voting him right now. Let me finish they last few pages though.

BB- no way a normal wolf would make such a play...no way a "sane" wolf would make that play. You havent played enough w/ Austin. This is a playbook wolf-austin move. He dares to fly where the demons dare not tread...he's that devilishly clever in these games....as a wolf.

NC, I will concede your point. You may be right. I could be a rube and completely missing the Austin con. I just don't think so, and time will tell.

I have played a lot with Austin and I can't imagine his partners telling him to go for it on this move. If they did then I could probably eliminate a few people from wolf candidacy if Austin turns up wolf.

And the fact that I am once again semi-trustung Austin in a PM game has me very worried. But as I said I have a lot more experience now than when we played that other game.

One other note: I'm not sure of Unagi's alignment this game but the last few he has been dead on as a villager. Granted he had a few before that that he was dead wrong. My gut is still saying EL Guapo but he's not getting lynched today. I would like to see where Unagi's gut takes us plus I think it's the best option between, Austin, Newcastle and Triggercut.

A little more reading and I will change my vote.

Go to this link
http://new.octopusoverlords.com/forum/v ... 2#p1876032" target="_blank

Question to all and specifically Lassr

Now...how does that read to you? You have to say please? Then look at the second quote...where he goes "i have to ask the other guys?"...........dont you think he's rubbing it in our noses at that point...that he is indeed a wolf...and just being snarky then...because he can?

rubbing our noses in it or has no worries. Could be interpreted either way.

Right now I know where I want to vote. If triggercut comes back a villager then it's just a day 1 miss and we would have gathered a lot of good info to sort though tomorrow.

 triggercut 
 

END DAY 1

[Newcastle]

POST 4/5


NIGHT 1

So what was the night chat about? Austin/BB?

I can see that mistake happening but I too wonder if he is pm'ing his buddies and it just didn't cross his mind. After triggercut came up innocent I knew I had to look closely at Austin today. He's fooled me before and I do not want to be fooled again. I say better safe than sorry or fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Seriously, at the point it was at, what could Austin or Trig possibly say that would sway you, Remus? It just seems like a wolfy move to cop out and not be part of a lynch. We all have watched wolves do this countless times to make sure suspicion is not thrown their way when votes are examined.

This looks like Remus last game fwiw.

have you let him know through PM?

 remus 
 


when he could have made a choice between casting a vote and not casting a vote...he chose to do nothing....smells weird.

you went from Austin yesterday to Remus today?

 Austin 
 

 RMC 
 


to banish the crickets once and for all...

I actually like this vote but wonder why no one wants to test Austin.

Something about RMC that doesn't sit right with me this game.

 RMC 
 


to banish the crickets once and for all...

I actually like this vote but wonder why no one wants to test Austin.

Something about RMC that doesn't sit right with me this game.

The fact I am a villager, and you are a wolf?

I think you got that backwards.

Anyway, the vote on you seems to be going no where. I still do not agree with voting Austin today so I'm not joining that crazy train.

 Lassr 
 


Qantaga provided plenty of reasons earlier. Lets see if anyone wants to pursue this direction.

from one crazy train to another.

- Unagi - would Unagi really have pleaded for help in lynching trig, if Unagi was a wolf (knowing that trig would come up good)? Or is Unagi devious enough to make that play to be able to say (something along the lines of), "a wolf would never make that play?"

I've gotten a few PMs from him also. At first I thought he was a wolf prying for some info. But since then I have changed my mind. I have no plans of voting for Unagi.

- Austin - I honestly don't know what to think of Austin. My feeling is that he is a villager trying for info, but I can easily see him being evil, too. What concerns me is those that rush today to a "Austin must be tested" stance. While Austin might be a good lynch candidate for today, it's certainly not a given that he is evil and he should merit a lot more discussion. We're currently at 8g/3e. A miss today takes up to 6g/3e tomorrow, which puts the wolves at a very big advantage. Today, we should be digging as deeply as possible to find wolves, not just "testing."

In this game I say better safe than sorry on Austin. Don't let him fool ya.

- Bubbles, Chaos, Remus, RMC - How many wolves are hiding here? One, two, all three?

RMC is one, just a gut feeling. Unagi may be onto something with Remus. He's been spot on recently and can be dangerous player!

- theohall - theo is moving up my list with a bullet. Last game, his single-mindedness (blindness to any other possibilities) proved spectacularly wrong. theo is a smart enough guy that I would expect him to re-evaluate that approach and become at least slightly more open-minded if he were a villager this game. His same damn the torpedoes approach this game strikes me more as a wolf hiding behind "consistency," than a villager searching for truth.

He's played like this for a long time! He cast the killing vote against me on the last day in one game before I had a chance to defend myself and we lost the game.

- Newcastle - I'm still bugged by Newcastle's "blow it up" play, but I was wrong in judging trig's "categorically: I am not the seer" statement, so I'm going to have to reevaluate my thoughts on Newcastle today.

at first I thought he was the seer and was anxious to expose a wolf. I don't think so anymore.

- bb2112 - I'm still leaning good on bb, but I plan on reading up on him a little further today.

Not sure what to make of him. If I can't read'em I say test'em!

Day 2 musings:

- Lassr is still my top evil candidate.

As for you...

The fact that you have me as your top candidate is a bit suspicious but not sure if that's from villager fear or wolfy plan.

In this game I say better safe than sorry on Austin. Don't let him fool ya.

Even if Austin is a wolf, there are two others. Should we really rush to test Austin before we even make a decent effort of finding the other two?

No, you should never rush unless there is a reason. Rushing diminishes the info you can gather.

[Newcastle]

POST 5/5

Hello <knocks on monitor screen> anyone around?

note: PM's to everyone indicating Lassr's status were just sent after this point

 Lassr 
 

indeed.

hmmm.....

too many fools in this game. Lynch away.

 RMC 
 


to banish the crickets once and for all...

I actually like this vote but wonder why no one wants to test Austin.

Something about RMC that doesn't sit right with me this game.

The fact I am a villager, and you are a wolf?

check

 Lassr 
 


Qantaga provided plenty of reasons earlier. Lets see if anyone wants to pursue this direction.

check

I could vote for Lassr, but he's just about my last choice at the moment.

check

Day 2 musings:

- Lassr is still my top evil candidate.

and check

CR & Austin...you gonna explain your votes?

have you not been illuminated?

Lets jump on the chooo chooo  Lassr 
 

Are you trying to make up for last game, or double down???

I'll let you know after the write up.

don't worry, you are safe tonight. Got my eye on 2 that voted for me and 2 that did not.

There I had my say.

[Newcastle]

If its ok w/ people. I am going to go back through my previous posts here. I posted too fast and posts # 2 & 3 were switched. I want switch them back around so people can accurately read chronologically what Lass said.

[Austin]

I am bothered by my bb trust. He seems to be a bit accepting of it too.

Then vote for me. Do what you have to do.

I've already said the village should lynch us three. I would just be sad that the first lynch would be a miss, but I will get over it as long as the village wins.

Why vote for you? I sorta' trust you, but that's bothering me. Nightmare situation is both you and Newc as wolves. (from my point of view).

[theohall]

I just read threw Newcastle's wall-of-text about Lassr. Chaosraven's name only comes up once. Mine only comes up once. Everyone else seems to come up several times. With the prevailing theory that one wolf is in the PM triumvirate, the other has to be elsewhere.

 Chaosraven 
 
- even though he was early on the Lassr vote.

[Newcastle]

Upon reading what i just posted...i dont intend on voting Austin today, unless its him or me scenario and I am the last vote.

[Qantaga]

A lot of silent players today.

Perhaps some are feeling a little:



after 4th of July festivities.

[bb2112]

I sure hope there is some PMing going on.

[Newcastle]

meh...

 rmc 
 



.....i really hate the quiet right now and sincerely hope there is some PM action going on. One of the main reasons i hate PM games...have no idea what people are thinking or discussing

[Chaosraven]

I just read threw Newcastle's wall-of-text about Lassr. Chaosraven's name only comes up once. Mine only comes up once. Everyone else seems to come up several times. With the prevailing theory that one wolf is in the PM triumvirate, the other has to be elsewhere.

 Chaosraven 
 
- even though he was early on the Lassr vote.

best spot for a partner Wolf to be in the event the partner is ensnared.

[RMC]

meh...

 rmc 
 



.....i really hate the quiet right now and sincerely hope there is some PM action going on. One of the main reasons i hate PM games...have no idea what people are thinking or discussing

I am thinking you are wrong to vote for me..

<shrug> I am not a wolf. Again.. Not sure what value you can gain from lynching me..But have at it.

For the record, I think out of the three(BB,NC,and Austin) NC is most likely a wolf, followed by Austin and then BB.

So just to make it official:

 Newcastle 
 

[stessier]

Day 3 Vote Count

Voting history

Spoiler:

• Austin acc Newcastle (1)
• theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
• Newcastle acc RMC (1)
• RMC acc Newcastle (1)

Majority is 5.

Against Newcastle (1): Austin
Against Chaosraven (1): theohall
Against RMC (1): Newcastle
Against Newcastle (1): RMC

No Votes (5): Bubbles, Chaos, bb2112, Remus, Qantaga

Deadline is Monday, July 9 at Noon Central Time.

[Chaosraven]

I can go with that  newcastle 
 

[Newcastle]

youre right...i'm a wolf...

fact is i'm bored...i see no discussion...i see no reason why to continue playing...where i dont have points i can rebutt.

 newcastle 
 

[RMC]

youre right...i'm a wolf...

fact is i'm bored...i see no discussion...i see no reason why to continue playing...where i dont have points i can rebutt.

 newcastle 
 

Really a self vote? <sigh>

[Qantaga]

How hyper-sensitive are we in these games? (The key word being "games").

First, trig. Now, Newcastle.

As I've said many times, I can only understand a self-vote by wolves. I never see the value of a self-vote by a villager. If you're a freaking villager, act like one and help, bored or not! You signed up to play, play it all the way through.

The self vote never helps good. It's either a wolf ploy or a "woe is me/take my ball and go home" villager.

Ugh!

 Newcastle 
 

[stessier]

Day 3 Vote Count

Voting history

Spoiler:

• Austin acc Newcastle (1)
• theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  Newcastle acc RMC (1)
• RMC acc Newcastle (1)
• Chaos acc Newcastle (2)
  Newcastle wd RMC (0)
• Newcastle acc Newcastle (3)
• Qantaga acc Newcastle (4)

Majority is 5.

Against Newcastle (4): RMC, Chaos, Newcastle, Qantaga
Against Newcastle (1): Austin
Against Chaosraven (1): theohall

No Votes (3): Bubbles, bb2112, Remus

Deadline is Monday, July 9 at Noon Central Time.

[Newcastle]

youre right...i'm a wolf...

fact is i'm bored...i see no discussion...i see no reason why to continue playing...where i dont have points i can rebutt.

 newcastle 
 

Really a self vote? <sigh>

why not? No one is playing? No one is saying anything? No one is digging for information...its really not fun. I'm sure some people are getting Pm'd or i'm hopping. But it aint happening.

I think i've played a pretty pro-vilalge game...and here i am getting shoved off...so yeah...call it frustration...but i dont want a reason to check in on the thread.

I just dont see anyone really trying. So why should I?

One thing I would advise...when you read through Lassr's posts i would think the following:
1. Lassr wouldnt push hard on each of his partners...maybe 1 but not both. I also dont think this would be immediate.
2. Lassr would try to at least interact with both of his partners...lightly at the minimum. Maybe even have a conversation.

[Newcastle]

Day 3 Vote Count

Voting history

Spoiler:

• Austin acc Newcastle (1)
• theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  Newcastle acc RMC (1)
• RMC acc Newcastle (1)
• Chaos acc Newcastle (2)
  Newcastle wd RMC (0)
• Newcastle acc Newcastle (3)
• Qantaga acc Newcastle (4)

Majority is 5.

Against Newcastle (4): RMC, Chaos, Newcastle, Qantaga
Against Newcastle (1): Austin
Against Chaosraven (1): theohall

No Votes (3): Bubbles, bb2112, Remus

Deadline is Monday, July 9 at Noon Central Time.

[Newcastle]

I think i'm dead stessier.

[Newcastle]

The self vote never helps good. It's either a wolf ploy or a "woe is me/take my ball and go home" villager.

Ugh!

 Newcastle 
 

cant help a village that aint trying Q.

[stessier]

Huh, look at that. Math is needed I guess.

Voting is closed!

[Austin]

A villager who self votes lets the wolves have one more space in which to hide. A wolf who tantrum self-votes because people won't believe them, needs a better strategy.

[Newcastle]

How hyper-sensitive are we in these games? (The key word being "games").

call it frustration...when you're trying...and you're big reward is a being voted off...when you see no one else trying as well.

[Newcastle]

A villager who self votes lets the wolves have one more space in which to hide. A wolf who tantrum self-votes because people won't believe them, needs a better strategy.

well when you got a village that's sitting on its collective ass...that aint a village worth saving.

[stessier]

Day 3 Final Vote Count

VOTING CLOSED

Voting history

Spoiler:

• Austin acc Newcastle (1)
• theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  Newcastle acc RMC (1)
• RMC acc Newcastle (2)
• Chaos acc Newcastle (3)
  Newcastle wd RMC (0)
• Newcastle acc Newcastle (4)
• Qantaga acc Newcastle (5)

Majority is 5.

Against Newcastle (5): Austin, RMC, Chaos, Newcastle, Qantaga
Against Chaosraven (1): theohall

No Votes (3): Bubbles, bb2112, Remus


Dudes, Newcastle was such a Good Guy!

It is Night.

Seer and Wolves, do your thing.

Deadline is Noon Central Time on Monday, July 9.

[bb2112]

Dudes, Newcastle was such a Good Guy!

F! Austin, you are a rat bastard! And if you aren't a rat bastard, this village is SO screwed.

Newcastle, although I share your frustration, you shouldn't have self voted. Q may not have jumped on you and that would have put you at only 3 votes. Deadline is next Monday, plenty of time for the village to do something. Remember when CR was getting frustrated last weekend while Unagi, Austin, you and myself were sending about a billion PM's? Things were happening, but most people didn't see it. I don't know, but that could have been happening right under our noses for the last two days. Frustrating....

[Newcastle]

Dudes, Newcastle was such a Good Guy!

Newcastle, although I share your frustration, you shouldn't have self voted.

people should have actually...ya know participated and tried...maybe i wouldnt have self-voted then

[Lassr]

why not? No one is playing? No one is saying anything? No one is digging for information...its really not fun.

Well, I was posting and playing but ya'll killed me off!

[Newcastle]

why not? No one is playing? No one is saying anything? No one is digging for information...its really not fun.

Well, I was posting and playing but ya'll killed me off!

sorry bout that...lesson learned

[bb2112]

Oh, and Austin, it is night. Are you going to send me another night PM? Or are you going to let this one pass for once?

Well, I am sure both Austin and I will be here tomorrow. Everyone else want to throw out some last words of wisdom just in case?

[Austin]

Huh.