Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:07 am

Remus West wrote:
bb2112 wrote:RW: I've studied his play more than any other. He is a great player, hard to read, changes his style of play regularly, people will not vote for him even when he drives the lynch of an uncontested seer. I don't understand the power he has over the masses, but apparently it is hypnotizing. At the same time, he has made some strange assertions this game. I don't know if he is trying to draw a lynch this game by making some absurd conclusions, or if he is using the absurd conclusions to drive suspicion to others. Unfortunately, I've seen him do both. Since people don't want to do anything about him now, I guess he is a day 3 problem. If he is still alive, then he is probably evil. Either that, or he better have some good success in sniffing out evil.
What conclusions are you talking about? Are you inventing things in your head and attributing them to me?

Previously, Mr. Remus West had informed us:

Remus West wrote:He can confirm your card but not why you used it. Although with 5 uses it likely won't get used up it still begs the question of why you'd waste a use the Seer may need/want later. Seems like an odd move.

13 players. Under normal conditions one dies during the day, one dies during the night.
Day one crapshoot, where folks attempt to learn whatever they can about the other folks playing.
He shouldn't have used 1/5 of a card to try to gain a bit of information in hopes that on the last turn of the game the seer gets the card?

Is it clear now what BB2112 was talking about?

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:08 am

Remus West wrote:What conclusions are you talking about? Are you inventing things in your head and attributing them to me?

Nope. Your posts seem odd. You tried to be mysterious about my plan to use "Told ya so" instead of coming right and saying there is a chance someone can overvote and cause a death at N-1. That is always a risk, not a flaw. It can't be helped, so there is no need to be all cagey about it. Your holding your vote on me long after Theo came out and said I was a villager. Your explanation of holding out for the "Toss a dart" card when I called for it days ago and nobody stepped forward. When the train got started on you, you kind of disappeared and didn't really fight it. Like I said, I can't figure out if you are inviting a lynch or not.

Only half of the voices in my head think you are evil. The other half are held hostage by the first half. Then there is that one stray thought that thinks, hey, maybe you are just a villager. I've named him John McClain. Who will win? We probably wont find out today.

Yippy Ki Yea, motherf*cker.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:10 am

redrun wrote: 13 players. Under normal conditions one dies during the day, one dies during the night.
Day one crapshoot, where folks attempt to learn whatever they can about the other folks playing.
He shouldn't have used 1/5 of a card to try to gain a bit of information in hopes that on the last turn of the game the seer gets the card?

Is it clear now what BB2112 was talking about?

Thanks, I even forgot to add that one to the list.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:23 am

redrun wrote:He shouldn't have used 1/5 of a card to try to gain a bit of information in hopes that on the last turn of the game the seer gets the card?

and what information did he gain? Nothing. What information could that card provide? Nothing. So where is the gain?

bb2112 wrote:Nope. Your posts seem odd. You tried to be mysterious about my plan to use "Told ya so" instead of coming right and saying there is a chance someone can overvote and cause a death at N-1. That is always a risk, not a flaw. It can't be helped, so there is no need to be all cagey about it. Your holding your vote on me long after Theo came out and said I was a villager. Your explanation of holding out for the "Toss a dart" card when I called for it days ago and nobody stepped forward. When the train got started on you, you kind of disappeared and didn't really fight it. Like I said, I can't figure out if you are inviting a lynch or not.

1) I did not fight the lynch because I do not care if I get lynched or not.
2) Pointing out the error in your thinking due to the over vote card is really no different than the suggestions that the Scan cards are useless based off the Spartacus card. Both holes are based off a single card being in the wrong hands and being used. Yet it is the one I point out that you find ridiculous when mine has a much greater chance of occurring than the other.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:25 am

bb2112 wrote: Newcastle: He is flighty, sometimes. I think that makes him hard to nail down because you wonder if he is just cracking wise, or is he making a subtle mistake. I think Q summed up his strange behavior this game the best. He wont vote for RW, is suspicious of the train, but doesn't really go after anyone on the train. When called out on it, NC mentions there are other evil mages to be had out there. Why not triangulate on the one you think you have? And evil players are the ones that usually take a stand and say they wont vote for someone for vague reasons. It is to lay a false trail for later when proved right. May be evil.

Newcastle

Ever curious see who is willing to vote for whom BB? Like ya know where people are willing to let their vote wander to? I sure as heck am. If i go after someone(s) on the train, that doesnt really show me much does it? But if i have a feeling about someone on the train, its kind of nice to see who they are and arent willing to vote for right?

/sigh
/looks at the village
"the price of being misunderstood...I think i'll shut up now"

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:35 am

bb2112 wrote:Only half of the voices in my head think you are evil. The other half are held hostage by the first half. Then there is that one stray thought that thinks, hey, maybe you are just a villager. I've named him John McClain. Who will win? We probably wont find out today.

Yippy Ki Yea, motherf*cker.

I really have to watch that movie someday. (I know enough to get the reference but have never seen it.)

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:42 am

stessier wrote:
bb2112 wrote:Only half of the voices in my head think you are evil. The other half are held hostage by the first half. Then there is that one stray thought that thinks, hey, maybe you are just a villager. I've named him John McClain. Who will win? We probably wont find out today.

Yippy Ki Yea, motherf*cker.

I really have to watch that movie someday. (I know enough to get the reference but have never seen it.)

you've......
never......
seen......
Die.....
Hard......

What have you lived under a rock over the last 25 years? Do they not have theaters in wisconsin? My lord...

/faints

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:51 am

Newcastle wrote:you've......
never......
seen......
Die.....
Hard......

What have you lived under a rock over the last 25 years? Do they not have theaters in wisconsin? My lord...

/faints

Let's not just pick on WI - MA, IN, MI, FL, MD, and SC have all had their chance.

I didn't go to a lot of movies as a kid and we never really rented R-movies when I was living at home (I was 15 in 1988 when this came out). Once I got out on my own, I rented more current stuff and it just never made the list. Now it's 25 years old - why would I want to watch a movie in black and white???

I wonder if it is on Netflix Instant Streaming... (Of course with kids now, I'll have to wait until the wee hours so they aren't corrupted.)

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:54 am

Newcastle wrote:Ever curious see who is willing to vote for whom BB? Like ya know where people are willing to let their vote wander to?

Absolutely. I am also interested in who people won't vote for. You won't for Remus. Like you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he is good.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:17 pm

bb2112 wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Ever curious see who is willing to vote for whom BB? Like ya know where people are willing to let their vote wander to?
Absolutely. I am also interested in who people won't vote for. You won't for Remus. Like you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he is good.

you're kidding right? grrr.....i never said I wont EVER vote for him...just not inclined to vote for him today....tomorrow if he hasnt kciked up his particpation some...and started sniffing around more...then i am much more open to it....otherwise i think there are other more interesting candidates to look at. I will say I am starting to regret my initial actions in terms of that train. I'd love to see a more interactive remus, because hell a good is remus if a handy thing to have.

Dont think i ever said i know beyond a shadow of doubt that remus is good BB? In fact i never said that. So please, dont pull a CR. Leave la linga newcastle to the experts

i thought the train on him was pushed by a stupid reason. I thoguht people jumped on it because it was there and were opportunistic about it...and i dont like that...

you know i had a nice post typed up indicating why we should take yours & Q's status as semi proven for granted for not......but i really think i'll keep it in my pocket for now...i'll let you guys figure it out.

Am so so so so so tempted to drop a vote on you....seriously tempted.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:46 pm

Newcastle wrote:Am so so so so so tempted to drop a vote on you....seriously tempted.

But you're not because that would be really stupid, right?

Today, an argument could be made for Theo or redrun. There can be none for bb2112 or Q.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:00 pm

I am going to have to vote Chaosraven

.
This guy usually gives me the heebie geebies, but this game even more so.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:16 pm

stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Am so so so so so tempted to drop a vote on you....seriously tempted.
But you're not because that would be really stupid, right?

Today, an argument could be made for Theo or redrun. There can be none for bb2112 or Q.

/sees an orphaned devil's advocate argument...
/pity wells up in his heart
/clenches teeth
"must resist"
/willpower fades

"uhm there can be...yes there can be...."

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:23 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:I am going to have to vote Chaosraven

.
This guy usually gives me the heebie geebies,

If you have never met CR in real life, then you don't even know how accurate that statement can be.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:25 pm

stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Am so so so so so tempted to drop a vote on you....seriously tempted.
But you're not because that would be really stupid, right?

Today, an argument could be made for Theo or redrun. There can be none for bb2112 or Q.

There could be because of the "I am Spartacus" card. But essentially you are correct. If we are going to take a day 1 stab in the dark, why do it with these induhviduals.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:26 pm

As far as a post count goes, when you see it, please go back and check the people that defined me as "quiet".

As far as posting one?

Screw you guys. I am not doing all the work just to get lynched for my efforts.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:26 pm

bb2112 wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:I am going to have to vote Chaosraven

.
This guy usually gives me the heebie geebies,
If you have never met CR in real life, then you don't even know how accurate that statement can be.

After seeing his fairy picture I can take a stab in the dark

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:27 pm

Chaosraven wrote:As far as a post count goes, when you see it, please go back and check the people that defined me as "quiet".

As far as posting one?

Screw you guys. I am not doing all the work just to get lynched for my efforts.

Straw man argument. It's not about the amount of work. It's about the content of said work.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:36 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:As far as a post count goes, when you see it, please go back and check the people that defined me as "quiet".

As far as posting one?

Screw you guys. I am not doing all the work just to get lynched for my efforts.
Straw man argument. It's not about the amount of work. It's about the content of said work.

On Day One, given the opportunity to lynch Remus (2-0 for evil suckerage in the last pair), not enough people care. Poring over the posts thus far, I get intuitions about peoples posts, by sharing what I see, I end up the front runner. SO, no.

Sorry.

If you want to lynch me go ahead, I have no role, and no kewl card.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:45 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:As far as a post count goes, when you see it, please go back and check the people that defined me as "quiet".

As far as posting one?

Screw you guys. I am not doing all the work just to get lynched for my efforts.
Straw man argument. It's not about the amount of work. It's about the content of said work.
On Day One, given the opportunity to lynch Remus (2-0 for evil suckerage in the last pair), not enough people care. Poring over the posts thus far, I get intuitions about peoples posts, by sharing what I see, I end up the front runner. SO, no.

Sorry.

If you want to lynch me go ahead, I have no role, and no kewl card.

please do share....besides me of course...you've made that perfectly clear...would liek to hear your opinions bout others.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:48 pm

bb2112 wrote:
stessier wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Am so so so so so tempted to drop a vote on you....seriously tempted.
But you're not because that would be really stupid, right?

Today, an argument could be made for Theo or redrun. There can be none for bb2112 or Q.
There could be because of the "I am Spartacus" card. But essentially you are correct. If we are going to take a day 1 stab in the dark, why do it with these induhviduals.

another argument would be to force you to prove yourself by using the "told you so" card and thereby proving you beyond a shadow of doubt.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:43 pm

Newcastle wrote: another argument would be to force you to prove yourself by using the "told you so" card and thereby proving you beyond a shadow of doubt.

Yes. And I already posted about what I thought of that "wonderful" idea.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:51 pm

Yeah, there are many good uses of that card - Day 1 for a random player who could be killed that very night is not one of them.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:59 pm

Guys seriously, I mean it's really important you all stop using the same cooking metaphor. FFS there's so many different ways to mock an individual. Resorting to the adult version of I know you are but what am I is just so... so... look go ahead and lynch me, it will spare me this pain I'm feeling... /sob.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:11 pm

stessier wrote:Yeah, there are many good uses of that card - Day 1 for a random player who could be killed that very night is not one of them.

WTF does that mean? Hell I could be killed tonight. That half-assed logic applies to everyone not a wolf!

Give me that card! Stessier is a wolf!

News flash geniuses... ya think maybe the wolves would like the card so they can use it and negate a get our of jail card for the village? So yeah sure don't use it now... no no.. save it... friggin' morons... let's announce what we cards we have! let's avoid certainty! Hey what's this? Answers to questions? Where's the value in that? Once we run out of questions life loses it's flavor so we should just close that door cuz Pandora will jump out and... ya know I've got this heart condition so... It's best if we just calm down and do nothing. Yes nothing, stop voting people. Just just sit down... we can have some hot chocolate. Play a game of checkers.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:17 pm

Kraegor wrote: we can have some hot chocolate. Play a game of checkers.

I'm not a big fan of checkers, but I'll take a cup of hot chocolate please.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:25 pm

bb2112 wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Ever curious see who is willing to vote for whom BB? Like ya know where people are willing to let their vote wander to?
Absolutely. I am also interested in who people won't vote for. You won't for Remus. Like you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he is good.

What I find interesting is that you focus on Newcastle not wanting to vote for me today yet completely ignore redrun saying he thinks I'm evil but want votes so no way is he voting for me today. Why is one of them evil for it and the other good? They both look evil to me. redrun even more so as he has been careful to make sure I'm a target for the next day. Nothing like long term planning to make me wary.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:31 pm

Ah, so that's the Kraegor the vets were referencing.

I'm not versed in Kraegor-rant yet, so I'm not sure exactly what he's advocating, although mocking seems to be his word of the day.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:43 pm

Kraegor, go read told ya so. It would be great if a wolf was stupid enough to use it. Friggin moron, indeed.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:53 pm

bb2112 wrote:Kraegor, go read told ya so. It would be great if a wolf was stupid enough to use it. Friggin moron, indeed.

Depends on if it gets used up when "used" if not triggered. That is, since you want things laid out so openly, if the wolves wait until I'm at n-1 then play the card right before casting the final vote on me they could burn it that way. There is no "positive" use they can make of it though.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:01 pm

Kraegor wrote:
stessier wrote:Yeah, there are many good uses of that card - Day 1 for a random player who could be killed that very night is not one of them.
WTF does that mean? Hell I could be killed tonight. That half-assed logic applies to everyone not a wolf!

Give me that card! Stessier is a wolf!

News flash geniuses... ya think maybe the wolves would like the card so they can use it and negate a get our of jail card for the village? So yeah sure don't use it now... no no.. save it... friggin' morons... let's announce what we cards we have! let's avoid certainty! Hey what's this? Answers to questions? Where's the value in that? Once we run out of questions life loses it's flavor so we should just close that door cuz Pandora will jump out and... ya know I've got this heart condition so... It's best if we just calm down and do nothing. Yes nothing, stop voting people. Just just sit down... we can have some hot chocolate. Play a game of checkers.

Missed you too!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:12 pm

Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ----- Chaosraven
BB2112 ---------- Remus West ----- Remus West. ----- Newcastle ----- ----- ----- -----
theohall ---------- stessier ----- Chasoraven ----- RMC ----- Chaosraven ----- ----- -----
kraegor ---------- Remus West ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
El Guapo ---------- Remus West ----- kraegor ----- RMC ----- ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- RMC ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
triggercut ---------- El Guapo ----- Remus West ----- RMC ----- ----- ----- -----
Chaosraven ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Qantaga ---------- theohall ----- stessier ----- Newcastle ----- ----- ----- -----
RMC ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
redrun ---------- Qantaga ----- Chasoraven ----- Newcastle ----- ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- Chaosraven ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
.
.
Chaosraven -4 ---------- Newcastle, theohall, kraegor, Mr. Bubbles
RMC -3 ---------- El Guapo, stessier, triggercut
Newcastle -3 ---------- Qantaga, bb2112, redrun
Remus West -1 -------- RMC
---------
----------

Majority = 7

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:14 pm

bb2112 wrote:Kraegor, go read told ya so. It would be great if a wolf was stupid enough to use it. Friggin moron, indeed.

It's like I gotta go the sesame street route with you people...

24. Told Ya So! (If played before the lynch the cardholder's true identity will be revealed if he reaches N-1. Role of player announced by Mod). 1 use.

Lassr, does this notification serve as a halt to the lynch process. Meaning is there a grace period to allow for retraction of votes in the event a majority is reached before you show up to announce the role? And secondly does spartacus still mask the role?

But hey let's pretend spartacus is a non-factor.

If a wolf is bout to be lynched and has told ya so. It triggers when the killing vote approaches, yes? Why wouldn't a wolf use it? You telling me a wolf would not burn a get out of jail card to prevent the village from using it? Yeah it reveals him as a wolf. Shocking. The same result as the imminent lynch. So who does it hurt? Does nothing to the wolf, he was dead anyway.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:18 pm

Lassr wrote: Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Chaosraven ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----

WTH?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:30 pm

I just don't get the Chaosraven push, I don't think. I keep trying to see the stuff he's done in a sketchy light, but I don't get it.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:00 pm

triggercut wrote:I just don't get the Chaosraven push, I don't think. I keep trying to see the stuff he's done in a sketchy light, but I don't get it.

fascinating...so youre willing to drop a vote on Remus due to his inactions of butting heads...but not willing to drop a vote on CR...fascinating....

/whips out notepad
"duly noted"

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:42 pm

Kraegor wrote: Lassr, does this notification serve as a halt to the lynch process. Meaning is there a grace period to allow for retraction of votes in the event a majority is reached before you show up to announce the role? And secondly does spartacus still mask the role?

What I would do is not count any votes between the time the N-1 vote happened and the time I finally got the PM. I would post in the thread the result of the card and then any vote after that would count.

Spartacus does not mask a lynch just a scan.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:27 pm

Lassr wrote:
Kraegor wrote: Lassr, does this notification serve as a halt to the lynch process. Meaning is there a grace period to allow for retraction of votes in the event a majority is reached before you show up to announce the role? And secondly does spartacus still mask the role?

What I would do is not count any votes between the time the N-1 vote happened and the time I finally got the PM. I would post in the thread the result of the card and then any vote after that would count.

Spartacus does not mask a lynch just a scan.

Lassr - Say someone plays the "told you so card" and they do not reach n-1 rather they are nowhere close to lynching. Is the card used up? Or will it only be used when someone hits n-1? Can say a wolf/villager burn the card without it being activated?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:46 pm

triggercut wrote:I just don't get the Chaosraven push, I don't think. I keep trying to see the stuff he's done in a sketchy light, but I don't get it.

If you have not learned that killing chaos is reason enough, I doubt you will ever understand.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:54 pm

Newcastle wrote: Lassr - Say someone plays the "told you so card" and they do not reach n-1 rather they are nowhere close to lynching. Is the card used up? Or will it only be used when someone hits n-1? Can say a wolf/villager burn the card without it being activated?

Once I am PM'ed to use a card it is then considered used whether a condition is met for the power to activate or not (exception being if Kaboom has been played then any card after that just fizzles out without being used).

there is a way around that though. A simple PM with a if-then statement on when to activate the card.