Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:54 am

Theo and I are the only two that have voted, and the rest of you seem to be waiting for something. I'm certainly not trying to hurry the day along, take as much time as you need, but I am curious as to what people are thinking today.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:05 am

bb2112 wrote:Theo and I are the only two that have voted, and the rest of you seem to be waiting for something. I'm certainly not trying to hurry the day along, take as much time as you need, but I am curious as to what people are thinking today.

I was waiting to see if there were anymore cards coming into play..It doesn't look like it...I had hoped that someone would have been able to talk to Mr. Bubbles and get us two scans..Bummer on that one..

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:42 am

RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:Theo and I are the only two that have voted, and the rest of you seem to be waiting for something. I'm certainly not trying to hurry the day along, take as much time as you need, but I am curious as to what people are thinking today.
I was waiting to see if there were anymore cards coming into play..It doesn't look like it...I had hoped that someone would have been able to talk to Mr. Bubbles and get us two scans..Bummer on that one..

Let's do some math.

6 villagers and 2 wolves remaining. 4 of the remaining 8 have told us what cards they played. 2 of the the 8 are likely to lie about whatever card they have played, if they play anything at all. The remaining 2, being villagers, might not have played their cards due to conditional requirements, or just are not ready to share.

Not gonna get much more out of those remaining, IMO.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:47 am

Does anyone have a cheat sheet with all the cards played/claimed from the last 2 days? And why hasn't everyone said what they had yesterday?

And finally Remus

because I can handle him being a miss far better than I can handle losing with him being an unlynched wolf yet again.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:51 am

theohall wrote:
RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:Theo and I are the only two that have voted, and the rest of you seem to be waiting for something. I'm certainly not trying to hurry the day along, take as much time as you need, but I am curious as to what people are thinking today.
I was waiting to see if there were anymore cards coming into play..It doesn't look like it...I had hoped that someone would have been able to talk to Mr. Bubbles and get us two scans..Bummer on that one..
Let's do some math.

6 villagers and 2 wolves remaining. 4 of the remaining 8 have told us what cards they played. 2 of the the 8 are likely to lie about whatever card they have played, if they play anything at all. The remaining 2, being villagers, might not have played their cards due to conditional requirements, or just are not ready to share.

Not gonna get much more out of those remaining, IMO.

I don't think the wolves are likely to lie about what they've played, as that creates unnecessary risk (as they're boned if someone else has the card that they're claiming). Rather, I assume they would play a card and be honest about what card they've played (if such card is harmless for the wolves), or not play a card at all.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:59 am

Cheat sheet incoming. Actually, that's sort of what I've been working on.

Yesterday I had the Daydreamer card. Not too exciting.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:01 am

BB2112
theohall
kraegor
Remus West
El Guapo
stessier
triggercut
RMC

So, this is our cast right now. Aside from me, I feel reasonably confident that Triggercut and to a slightly lesser degree RMC are good. Kraegor's something of an enigma to me right now.

My gut's saying Remus right now, but I think my main concern is the apparent lack of opposition right now. I know that wolves can and do push for each other to give themselves cred, but with only two wolves left, would that be too risky now? But then, back on the first hand, the wolves could've pretty easily (I think) gotten Remus lynched on day one and I would think that they would jump on a chance to lynch Villager Remus, when they could have done so probably without blame falling on any one person / wolf.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:08 am

Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
1 Extra Vote
Cancel 1 Vote
Resurrection
Seance
Beyond The Grave (2 uses)
Who Said That (3 uses)
Block Scan (2 uses)
Shield (3 uses)
I Am Spartacus (2 uses)
Mortician (2 uses)
Illumination (illumination)
Nuke em From Orbit
Toss A Dart
Shut Up! (2 uses)
Howdy Partner (4 Uses?)
Quantum Shift
Swipe (2 uses?)
Swiper No Swiping!
Swiper No Swiping!
Swiper No Swiping!
Told Ya So!
KaBoom!
Right Back Atcha
I'll Take Seconds! (1 use?)
Reveal! (2 uses)
Puppetmaster (4 uses?)
Deadlines! (1 use?)
A View From Heaven (1 use?)

Where we've had reported use of multi-use cards, I've noted but added a "?" to show that.
Swiper No Swiping and Daydreamer are multiple cards (3 and 5 in play, respectively) with unlimited use.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:09 am

Oh, and Remus West

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:11 am

triggercut wrote:Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
1 Extra Vote
Cancel 1 Vote
Resurrection
Seance
Beyond The Grave (2 uses)
Who Said That (3 uses)
Block Scan (2 uses)
Shield (3 uses)
I Am Spartacus (2 uses)
Mortician (2 uses)
Illumination (illumination)
Nuke em From Orbit
Toss A Dart
Shut Up! (2 uses)
Howdy Partner (4 Uses?)
Quantum Shift
Swipe (2 uses?)
Swiper No Swiping!
Swiper No Swiping!
Swiper No Swiping!
Told Ya So!
KaBoom!
Right Back Atcha
I'll Take Seconds! (1 use?)
Reveal! (2 uses)
Puppetmaster (4 uses?)
Deadlines! (1 use?)
A View From Heaven (1 use?)

Where we've had reported use of multi-use cards, I've noted but added a "?" to show that.
Swiper No Swiping and Daydreamer are multiple cards (3 and 5 in play, respectively) with unlimited use.

Thanks. Who made the use of "A View From Heaven"? I know Newcastle said he used it yesterday, but the evidence suggests that he played the Deadlines card actually, yes? I may be forgetting a claimed villager use of A View From Heaven, though.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:11 am

triggercut wrote:Oh, and Remus West

Here's the question I'm pondering right now. Assume Remus is indeed a wolf. Who is your best guess right now for Remus' remaining wolf partner?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:14 am

That list takes into account that someone--I assume a wolf, and further assume Newcastle--played the Deadline card "yesterday", forcing us into the game on Saturday.

I believe RMC played View From Heaven today.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:15 am

Also keep in mind that part of the "?" added is that while some of the cards played are easily verified, they're not all totally verified and may represent pure claiming.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:23 am

El Guapo wrote:
triggercut wrote:Oh, and Remus West

Here's the question I'm pondering right now. Assume Remus is indeed a wolf. Who is your best guess right now for Remus' remaining wolf partner?

If Remus comes back a wolf, that's terrific. It puts things at 6-1. Given a successful Evil attack overnight, we start "tomorrow" out at 5-1.

At that point hopefully we have some guidance. I remain hopeful of a Seance card being played. Barring that, I guess it gets kind of nasty.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:28 am

If Remus *isn't* a wolf, we're in some trouble. We go to tonight at 4-2, and come back tomorrow with no misses remaining unless we can get shielding done. If Remus isn't a wolf, I think we have to gamble heavily and look at bb2112 and theohall closely. I'm not saying that we act on it, but I am saying that the presence of two wolves in 5 or 6 players implies a very good hiding job, as might have been accomplished by wolf-ish playing of an unverifiable scan card.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:38 am

triggercut wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
triggercut wrote:Oh, and Remus West

Here's the question I'm pondering right now. Assume Remus is indeed a wolf. Who is your best guess right now for Remus' remaining wolf partner?
If Remus comes back a wolf, that's terrific. It puts things at 6-1. Given a successful Evil attack overnight, we start "tomorrow" out at 5-1.

At that point hopefully we have some guidance. I remain hopeful of a Seance card being played. Barring that, I guess it gets kind of nasty.

No, I get that, and I'm not suggesting that, if we conclude that Remus is indeed a wolf, that we nonetheless try to lynch his partner first. This question is part of my due diligence on Remus West's possible wolfitude - I'm trying to evaluate it through the conduct towards him of his wolf partner.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:45 am

Day 3
BB2112 ---------- Remus West --------
theohall ---------- kraegor --------
kraegor ---------- --------
Remus West ---------- --------
El Guapo ---------- --------
stessier ---------- Remus West --------
triggercut ---------- Remus West --------
RMC ---------- --------
.
.
Remus West -3 ---------- bb2112, stessier, triggercut
kraegor -1 ---------- theohall
----------
--------
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----------
----------
----------

Majority = 5

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:54 am

It was I that played a view from heaven on Mr. Bubbles today, in the library with a lead pipe..

I loved clue as a kid...

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:19 am

Fyi I have the daydreamer card. I was waiting to see if it was going to get swiped, but that doesnt seem likely at this point.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:24 am

bb2112 wrote:Fyi I have the daydreamer card. I was waiting to see if it was going to get swiped, but that doesnt seem likely at this point.

As of Day 2 onward you can't say what card you have before you have played it, assuming I'm reading you correctly.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:32 am

El Guapo wrote:
bb2112 wrote:Fyi I have the daydreamer card. I was waiting to see if it was going to get swiped, but that doesnt seem likely at this point.
As of Day 2 onward you can't say what card you have before you have played it, assuming I'm reading you correctly.

Yeah that sucks. Now bb2112's Daydreamer card won't work anymore.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:38 am

triggercut wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
bb2112 wrote:Fyi I have the daydreamer card. I was waiting to see if it was going to get swiped, but that doesnt seem likely at this point.
As of Day 2 onward you can't say what card you have before you have played it, assuming I'm reading you correctly.
Yeah that sucks. Now bb2112's Daydreamer card won't work anymore.

Heh. I should really re-read card effects before commenting on them.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:41 am

As bb2112 talked about his daydreamer card something weird happened. His mind became more focused as the daydream card lost it's power. He was more aware of his surroundings, his mind was wide awake absorbing knowledge at an unusual rate. Then Remus West starting talking and bb2112 couldn't shut it off. His head filled with so much BS that it drove him crazy. He ran screaming to a nearby table, grabbed a knife and slit his own throat. Who knew the ability to daydream was so necessary.

This is a joke.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:01 pm

Mod SMASH!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:39 pm

Here is my matrix - we sure don't know very much.

Person	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Newcastle	....Day 1....	****	....Day 3....
bb2112	Told Ya So	....Day 2....	Daydreamer
theohall	Seconds/Free Scan/Swipe	....Day 2....	Puppetmaster
Kraegor	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Remus	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
El Guapo	Deadline	....Day 2....	Escape Lynch
stessier	Mortician	No Swiping	....Day 3....
trig	....Day 1....	Daydreamer	Scramble
Chaos	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Qantaga	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
RMC	Howdy Partner	....Day 2....	View From Heaven
redrun	Mind's Eye	Swipe	....Day 3....
Mr Bubbles	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....

Red Text means the card was not played.
Blue Text means the card was played.

Notes

Theo used Free Scan on bb2112
redrun used Mind's Eye on Qantaga
RMC PM'd El Guapo with Howdy Partner (I'm guessing this is true as they were able to identify each other so not the blind PM)
Newcastle had No Card when redrun tried to Swipe from him on Day 2.
redrun tried to Swipe from Newcastle on Day 2.
Someone played the Death! card on Qantaga.
RMC played View from Heaven on Bubbles
Theo played Puppetmaster on Remus

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:58 pm

stessier wrote:Here is my matrix - we sure don't know very much.

Person ....Day 1.... ....Day 2.... ....Day 3....
Newcastle ....Day 1.... **** ....Day 3....
bb2112 Told Ya So ....Day 2.... Daydreamer
theohall Seconds/Free Scan/Swipe ....Day 2.... Puppetmaster
Kraegor ....Day 1.... ....Day 2.... ....Day 3....
Remus ....Day 1.... ....Day 2.... ....Day 3....
El Guapo Deadline ....Day 2.... Escape Lynch
stessier Mortician No Swiping ....Day 3....
trig ....Day 1.... Daydreamer Scramble
Chaos ....Day 1.... ....Day 2.... ....Day 3....
Qantaga ....Day 1.... ....Day 2.... ....Day 3....
RMC Howdy Partner ....Day 2.... View From Heaven
redrun Mind's Eye Swipe ....Day 3....
Mr Bubbles ....Day 1.... ....Day 2.... ....Day 3....
Red Text means the card was not played.
Blue Text means the card was played.

Notes
Theo used Free Scan on bb2112

redrun used Mind's Eye on Qantaga

RMC PM'd El Guapo with Howdy Partner (I'm guessing this is true as they were able to identify each other so not the blind PM)

Newcastle had No Card when redrun tried to Swipe from him on Day 2.

redrun tried to Swipe from Newcastle on Day 2.

Someone played the Death! card on Qantaga.

RMC played View from Heaven on Bubbles

Theo played Puppetmaster on Remus

And if I remember the order right, we know Newcastle did not play the death card.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:09 pm

Day 1 I had "Swiper No Swiping". I played it, but I believe it has unlimited uses.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:17 pm

So it's ok to say what card you had on a previous day if you didn't play it?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:21 pm

triggercut wrote:Day 1 I had "Swiper No Swiping". I played it, but I believe it has unlimited uses.

O RLY?

triggercur wrote:Can we talk about the card we held yesterday but didn't play? I was debating whether to actually play mine--just to take it out of rotation--but didn't expect the final two votes on CR to land so damn fast and didn't get a chance to play.

As for Newcastle, I see 1, perhaps 2 cards that match the criteria for being something you'd want to play right away and also keep hidden, and I had to really stretch both the definition of those filters to get to two.

Newcastle

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:22 pm

El Guapo wrote:So it's ok to say what card you had on a previous day if you didn't play it?

The rules seem to suggest it is. Newcastle may not like it though.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:32 pm

stessier wrote:
triggercur wrote:Can we talk about...

That link name is a typo, but it is an awesome one.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:34 pm

I was told it didn't need to be played, but would just result in a failed Swipe if that card was played. At the time I hadn't realized it was unlimited use.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:11 pm

Day 1 - Final Vote Count

I think I did this right. It was extensive, so let me know if you find any errors.

Spoiler:

Chaos acc bb2112 (1)
theo acc stessier (1) *accused everyone "silent"
El Guapo acc Remus (1)
Newcastle acc kraegor (1)
Remus acc bb2112 (2)
theo wd stessier (0)
theo acc Chaos (1)
redrun acc Qantaga (1)
RMC acc Remus (3)
Newcastle wd kraegor (0)
Newcastle acc Qantaga (2)
trig acc El Guapo (1)
redrun wd Qantaga (1)
Newcastle wd Qantaga (0)
Newcastle acc redrun (1)
trig wd El Guapo (0)
trig acc Remus (4)
Qantaga acc theohall (1)
kraegor acc Remus (5)
bb2112 wd Remus (4)
Chaos wd bb2112 (1)
redrun acc Chaos (2)
Newcastle wd redrun (0)
Newcastle acc Chaos (3)
stessier acc Bubbles (1)
Qantaga wd theo (0)
Qantaga acc stessier (1)
Newcastle wd Chaos (2)
Newcastle acc Newcastle (1)
Qantaga wd stessier (0)
Qantaga acc Newcastle (2)
Newcastle wd Newcastle (1)
El Guapo wd Remus (3)
El Guapo acc kraegor (1)
theo wd Chaos (1)
theo acc RMC (1)
bb2112 acc Remus (4)
El Guapo wd kraegor (0)
El Guapo acc RMC (2)
Newcastle acc stessier (1)
stessier wd Bubbles (0)
stessier acc RMC (3)
trig wd Remus (3)
trig acc RMC (4)
Newcastle wd stessier (0)
Newcastle acc Chaos (2)
theo wd RMC (3)
theo acc Chaos (3)
Remus wd bb2112 (0)
kraegor wd Remus (2)
kraegor acc Chaos (4)
bb2112 wd Remus (1)
bb2112 acc Newcastle (2)
redrun wd Chaos (3)
redrun acc Newcastle (3)
Bubbles acc Chaos (4)
Remus acc redrun (1)
Chaos acc redrun (2)
theo wd Chaos (3)
theo acc redrun (3)
redrun wd Newacasatle (2)
redrun acc Chaos (4)
stessier wd RMC (2)
stessier acc redrun (4)
RMC wd Remus (0)
theo wd redrun (3)
theo acc Chaos (5)
bb2112 wd Newcastle (1)
bb2112 acc Bubbles (1)
Newcastle wd Chaos (4)
Newcastle acc stessier (1)
El Guapo wd RMC (1)
El Guapo acc Bubbles (2)
RMC acc bubbles (3)
theo wd Chaos (3)
theo acc stessier (2)
stessier wd redrun (2)
stessier acc Bubbles (4)
Bubbles wd Chaos (2)
Bubbles acc stessier (3)
trig wd RMC (0)
trig acc Bubbles (5)
Chaos acc Bubbles (6)
trig wd Bubbles (5)
stessier wd Bubbles (4)
bb2112 wd Bubbles (3)
Chaos wd Bubbles (2)
bb2112 acc Remus (1)
Chaos acc stessier (4)
redrun wd Chaos (1)
theo wd stessier (3)
theo acc RMC (1)
trig acc Chaos (2)
RMC wd Bubbles (1)
theo wd RMC (0)
theo acc CHaos (3)
stessier acc RMC (1)
Chaos wd stessier (2)
RMC acc Remus (2)
Bubbles wd stessier (1)
Bubbles acc Chaos (4)
redrun acc stessier (2)
Newcastle wd stessier (1)
Newcastle acc Chaos (5)
stessier wd RMC (0)
stessier acc Chaos (6)
Remus wd redrun (0)
Remus acc Chaos (7)

Against Chaos (7) - kraegor, trig, theo, Bubbles, Newcastle, stessier, Remus
Against Remus (2) - bb2112, RMC
Against stessier (1) - redrun
Against Bubbles (1) - El Guapo
Against Newcastle (1) - Qantaga

No Vote - Chaos

More to come...

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:34 pm

You forgot that I played the "I am Spartacus" card on day 2.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:38 pm

Lassr wrote:As bb2112 talked about his daydreamer card something weird happened. His mind became more focused as the daydream card lost it's power. He was more aware of his surroundings, his mind was wide awake absorbing knowledge at an unusual rate. Then Remus West starting talking and bb2112 couldn't shut it off. His head filled with so much BS that it drove him crazy. He ran screaming to a nearby table, grabbed a knife and slit his own throat. Who knew the ability to daydream was so necessary.
This is a joke.

And Best Mod Ever Award goes to... <drumroll> LASSR!

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:05 pm

I actually got scared there for a sec. Holy crap, Lassr, I didn't mean to make fun of the sanctity of the Daydreamer card!

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:53 pm

Remus?

El Guapo?

RMC?

Kraegor?

Care to play the game today?

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:55 pm

Excuse me I commented. I have to really do a reread, and just worked 1st shift, third shift, and 1st shift.. So too tired to do any talking..Going to bed.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:05 pm

Let's put Remus West at N-1 and see what happens.

Remus West

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:04 pm

triggercut wrote:Remus?

El Guapo?

RMC?

Kraegor?

Care to play the game today?

Did you miss the parts where I posted, people replied, and I posted some more? I thought we had something special when I was asking questions and you were answering.