Othello, The Moor of Venice (GAME OVER!)

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:34 pm

Newcastle wrote:Next question - would emilia want to self reveal now and state who they are? They win if they are on team good and win on team evil. They in essence get to pick a side.

IF they reveal now, we assume they are good. We also can lynch them if we dont win by killing 2 evils. Game in hand for team good.

If they choose to stay quiet then they choose to play on either side and could still win with team evil.

I really think we need to tease out the options of what Emilia could or could not do and the options that they have before them.

Yeah, if Emiliana is good, she needs to come forward now.

Else, we can assume her conversion has occurred.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:35 pm

stessier wrote: I have to say, Lassr's vote against Chaos struck me as odd.

How so?
Per triggercut he had to be Rodrigo or Emilia. 2nd vote was near the majority and he had not popped in yet so just added a little pressure. Of course, it ends up triggercut was playing with us....

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:48 pm

Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote: I have to say, Lassr's vote against Chaos struck me as odd.
How so?
Per triggercut he had to be Rodrigo or Emilia. 2nd vote was not near the majority and he had not popped in yet so just added a little pressure. Of course, it ends up triggercut was playing with us....

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:08 pm

Lassr is certainly a person of interest at this point.

Would love to hear from Emiliana.

In fact, I'll pull my vote off RMC and hope she speaks up.

withdraw RMC

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:19 pm

Newcastle wrote:GRUND - does the hankie rotate around players?

Not in the small game. (This is the small game-- the one without Bianca). In the large game (i.e., with Bianca), it's mobile.

Newcastle wrote:Is the hankie given to a team evil player at all?

The hankie is randomly allocated to someone at the beginning of the game, and that person is informed that it's among his belongings. According to the rule, anyone other than Iago, Roderigo, and Emilia may be the original bearer of the textile in question.

Newcastle wrote:Or will the hankie be given to a good player? What happens if a person who has the hankie dies or is lynched. I'll peruse the FAQ next to check on any answers here as well.

According to the rules, Emilia is able to search the belongings of the dead.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:23 pm

Wednesday: Votes

triggercut acc Chaosraven(1)
Lassr acc Chaosraven(2)
triggercut wd Chaosraven(1)
triggercut acc RMC(1)
stessier acc RMC(2)
Lassr wd Chaosraven(0)
triggercut wd RMC(1)

Against Chaosraven(0): triggercut, Lassr
Against RMC(1): triggercut, stessier

Votes requires for a majority: 5

No vote registered:
Chaosraven, Holman, Lassr, Newcastle, RMC, stessier, theohall, triggercut

Men of Infinite Jest

Lagom Lite
Qantaga
Remus West
bb2112

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:09 pm

Work (where I can no longer access OO) has eaten my time.

SO,

I do read along, but have little to say.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:08 pm

Well since you got it all figured out.. I am Roderigo, and Q was Emilia.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:32 pm

RMC wrote:Well since you got it all figured out.. I am Roderigo, and Q was Emilia.

Man I wish that were true. The only way that works is if you scanned a special and decided to kill them sight unseen. Possible, but that would be nearly the worst evil luck ever.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:34 pm

stessier wrote:
RMC wrote:Well since you got it all figured out.. I am Roderigo, and Q was Emilia.

Look at you, that's the quote button.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:37 pm

That would certainly explain the "why" on Qantaga, wouldn't it? They had a 1 in 4 shot of Qantaga being a very good kill...and oops.

Not sure I'm buying it at all, though. I'm guessing that it means that Emilia's been turned, which is pretty bad news.

Holman pinging the radar....

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:59 pm

RMC wrote:Well since you got it all figured out.. I am Roderigo, and Q was Emilia.

Riiiight

what are the odds...

RMC

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:05 pm

I'm all about learning the ropes, and the rope goes to...

RMC

What, too tight?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:07 pm

If i had to narrow it down i'd say

theohall - zerker

holman - emilia

Lassr - maybe evil

CR - leaning toward not being evil

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:12 pm

stessier wrote:
RMC wrote:Well since you got it all figured out.. I am Roderigo, and Q was Emilia.
Man I wish that were true. The only way that works is if you scanned a special and decided to kill them sight unseen. Possible, but that would be nearly the worst evil luck ever.

nah stupidest evil move -

/fake evil oufit on

evil 1 - "hey guys...lets scan Qantaga..dur duh dur"

evil - "lets kill him and then scan him...dur duh dur".

yeah...you didnt scan & kill him. no way no how. Unless you wanted to know whom you killed that night for verification purposes.

GRUND - does evil know who they kill? What do they find out if anything.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:15 pm

Newcastle wrote:GRUND - does evil know who they kill? What do they find out if anything.

Only success or failure is revealed in response to a kill request.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:27 pm

Newcastle wrote:
stessier wrote:
RMC wrote:Well since you got it all figured out.. I am Roderigo, and Q was Emilia.
Man I wish that were true. The only way that works is if you scanned a special and decided to kill them sight unseen. Possible, but that would be nearly the worst evil luck ever.
nah stupidest evil move -

/fake evil oufit on

evil 1 - "hey guys...lets scan Qantaga..dur duh dur"

evil - "lets kill him and then scan him...dur duh dur".

yeah...you didnt scan & kill him. no way no how. Unless you wanted to know whom you killed that night for verification purposes.

GRUND - does evil know who they kill? What do they find out if anything.

No, you're reading it wrong. It's possible that Q was scanned on night 1 by Roderigo, and came back as Not a Venetian Gentleman.

From the Rulez on page 1, if Roderigo scans someone, he finds out that the person scanned is either powered or unpowered:

Grundbegriff wrote:If it is not, then he may safely infer that the inhabitant is either Othello or Desdemona or Cassio or Emilia.

The RMC scenario is that Q was scanned night 1, came back as a special. They decided to off him on night 2 and rolled snake-eyes.

It isn't improbable at all.

Just...I don't believe RMC.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:35 pm

On top of that, if true, Newcastle could be Emilia.

Emilia finds the hankie on Night 1 or 2, joins evil. Trig and I come out, so they know they killed Desi and Newcastle can claim the role we would never lynch.

How's that for paranoid?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:36 pm

It would also explain why RMC would say Emilia was dead. Cause there really is no reason to even try that gambit.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:38 pm

stessier wrote:On top of that, if true, Newcastle could be Emilia.

Emilia finds the hankie on Night 1 or 2, joins evil. Trig and I come out, so they know they killed Desi and Newcastle can claim the role we would never lynch.

How's that for paranoid?

/scooby paraworld ON

mwahahahah and i would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!

/scooby paraworld off

I AM KIDDING...I am who i say i am...just tweaking stessier's nose a wee bit!

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:39 pm

stessier wrote:It would also explain why RMC would say Emilia was dead. Cause there really is no reason to even try that gambit.

youre actually...uhm seriously considering that i am emilia? seriously?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:08 am

Wednesday: Votes

triggercut acc Chaosraven(1)
Lassr acc Chaosraven(2)
triggercut wd Chaosraven(1)
triggercut acc RMC(1)
stessier acc RMC(2)
Lassr wd Chaosraven(0)
triggercut wd RMC(1)
Lassr acc RMC(2)
Holman acc RMC(3)

Against Chaosraven(0): triggercut, Lassr
Against RMC(3): triggercut, stessier, Lassr, Holman

Votes requires for a majority: 5

No vote registered:
Chaosraven, Newcastle, RMC, theohall, triggercut

Men of Infinite Jest

Lagom Lite
Qantaga
Remus West
bb2112

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:24 pm

stessier wrote:On top of that, if true, Newcastle could be Emilia.

Emilia finds the hankie on Night 1 or 2, joins evil. Trig and I come out, so they know they killed Desi and Newcastle can claim the role we would never lynch.

How's that for paranoid?

that seems even more improbable...but not impossible.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:26 pm

Newcastle wrote:
stessier wrote:It would also explain why RMC would say Emilia was dead. Cause there really is no reason to even try that gambit.

youre actually...uhm seriously considering that i am emilia? seriously?

have to admit it would be the perfect storm for the bad guys.

Not something I would even consider acting on right now but it is nestled in the back of my mind now.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:13 pm

Been busy at work the past couple days...

RMC

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:49 pm

Wednesday: Votes

triggercut acc Chaosraven(1)
Lassr acc Chaosraven(2)
triggercut wd Chaosraven(1)
triggercut acc RMC(1)
stessier acc RMC(2)
Lassr wd Chaosraven(0)
triggercut wd RMC(1)
Lassr acc RMC(2)
Holman acc RMC(3)
theohall acc RMC(4)

Against Chaosraven(0): triggercut, Lassr
Against RMC(4): triggercut, stessier, Lassr, Holman, theohall

Votes requires for a majority: 5

No vote registered:
Chaosraven, Newcastle, RMC, triggercut

Men of Infinite Jest

Lagom Lite
Qantaga
Remus West
bb2112

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:51 pm

any last words stessier before you go into the grand ole sleep?

and RMC you sure you dont want to tell us who youre partners are?

And Emelia...you sure you dont want to reveal who you are? Please

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:37 pm

Christmas lights are pretty.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:09 am

I've always thought Shakespeare needed more lynchings.

I hope Grund is working on his Julius Caesar!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:02 am

Nope, lynch away.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:24 am

I think it's safe to surmise that Emilia is either dead or converted.

At any rate, RMC

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:49 pm

It may be useful to scan Newcastle so we know for sure. Might be nice to know if you guys are looking for 1 or 2.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:58 pm

stessier wrote:It may be useful to scan Newcastle so we know for sure. Might be nice to know if you guys are looking for 1 or 2.

Seriously? that would be wasted. why would I come out when I did. I had ZERO pressure to do so? nary a vote, and nary a lynch mob at my door step. I am more objecting to the scan being wasted on me than me being scanned. Sure go for scanning me...but you lose the chance dig into the pool of unknowns: CR, Theo, Holman (and I know am missing something here).

Go for Holman, i'd say. He's the one I suspect the most of being emilia due to his early game antics.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:00 pm

actually...scan me...

Desdemona has no power to affect fate, whether her own or any other's, and yet the world of this game revolves around her. She has lost her handkerchief. If her handmaiden Emilia finds it, Emilia will leave her side and join her husband on Team Evil. If Emilia finds the handkerchief and thereby changes alignment, then Desdemona will also look like a "foe" if Othello scans her. And if Desdemona is slain by day, Othello (if alive) will automatically die with her.

Absolutely...scan me so we know for sure if emilia has switched over or not.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:16 pm

It's like I read the rules or something.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:22 pm

stessier wrote:It's like I read the rules or something.

yeah i know...i kind of skimmed em at best.

/histrionics off

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:35 pm

stessier wrote:It's like I read the rules or something.

good catch.

Then the question is if Newcastle comes back foe what is next? Is Emilia Newcastle or not?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:59 pm

Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:It's like I read the rules or something.

good catch.

Then the question is if Newcastle comes back foe what is next? Is Emilia Newcastle or not?

no mr "i lost-my-captain-obvious hat"...means that emilia is on team evil.

if yo ureally think that i am emilia...ya need to put on your thinking cap? Why come out when I did? Why come out when it was safe? Why make a target for myself? Why even broach that? Even if there was a contest of claims the obvious solution is to wait for Trigg to die at night before exploring who is the real Desmond? Also notice the lack of counter claims to me?

I understand yoru hesitance...you do have to consider everything; but coming otu as i did...is not something i would do as evil at this juncture in a game. Think about it. I'd like to think I play a more savy game as evil.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:13 pm

Newcastle wrote:
Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:It's like I read the rules or something.

good catch.

Then the question is if Newcastle comes back foe what is next? Is Emilia Newcastle or not?

no mr "i lost-my-captain-obvious hat"...means that emilia is on team evil.

if yo ureally think that i am emilia...ya need to put on your thinking cap? Why come out when I did? Why come out when it was safe? Why make a target for myself? Why even broach that? Even if there was a contest of claims the obvious solution is to wait for Trigg to die at night before exploring who is the real Desmond? Also notice the lack of counter claims to me?

I understand yoru hesitance...you do have to consider everything; but coming otu as i did...is not something i would do as evil at this juncture in a game. Think about it. I'd like to think I play a more savy game as evil.

I said above that I think it improbable that you are Emilia...it's just not impossible. Remember Mara Jade!

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:45 pm

Lassr wrote: Remember Mara Jade!