[WW] -The Pirates of the Flying Octopi - Pirates win

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:19 pm

Although you did miss the second part of it in that you are acting helpful while accusing RMC of acting helpful......

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:25 pm

So if I'm following this, the best way to demonstrate that I'm a villager is to be the opposite of helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyViVmaBQDg" target="_blank

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:26 pm

Remus West wrote:Although you did miss the second part of it in that you are acting helpful while accusing RMC of acting helpful......

I thought about that and had a small snicker.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:33 pm

El Guapo wrote:So if I'm following this, the best way to demonstrate that I'm a villager is to be the opposite of helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyViVmaBQDg" target="_blank

No, you are not being helpful if you expose a trap being set to catch a wolf.

Scoop was up to something, his rant and self vote were not his normal MO. I waited him out, but RMC says

Don't you think this might be calculated to see whom does what? Hmmmm......

SO if you are a villager why even warn everyone about this. (But this happens often with innocent villagers so this is not indictment of RMC right now) If you are a wolf you appear to be helpful in standing up for Scoop whom you know to be a villager.

I go back to games with Grundbegriff where he would often lay out an elaborate trap. It would be foolish of me to step up and say, "Oh, I remember Grund doing this in a game last year and it caught a wolf. Let's see if it works this time!"

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:34 pm

If you are a villager, why worry about stepping in a trap in the first place?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:38 pm

Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:So if I'm following this, the best way to demonstrate that I'm a villager is to be the opposite of helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyViVmaBQDg" target="_blank

No, you are not being helpful if you expose a trap being set to catch a wolf.

Scoop was up to something, his rant and self vote were not his normal MO. I waited him out, but RMC says
Don't you think this might be calculated to see whom does what? Hmmmm......
SO if you are a villager why even warn everyone about this. (But this happens often with innocent villagers so this is not indictment of RMC right now) If you are a wolf you appear to be helpful in standing up for Scoop whom you know to be a villager.

I go back to games with Grundbegriff where he would often lay out an elaborate trap. It would be foolish of me to step up and say, "Oh, I remember Grund doing this in a game last year and it caught a wolf. Let's see if it works this time!"

Ok, I think I got it now. RMC was trying to be 'helpful' in explaining that it might be a ploy by Scoop. Him trying to be 'helpful' illustrates that me may be a wolf. But by exposing a trap being set to catch a wolf, he was in fact not being helpful, which makes him not a wolf. So since he's not a wolf he's just trying to figure things out, which is helpful. So he's a wolf. Which means...

Can I cast a recursive vote?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:38 pm

'he' may be a wolf.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:06 pm

Remus West wrote:If you are a villager, why worry about stepping in a trap in the first place?

well, other than the fact it would hurt the village if you were lynched, then no worries at all.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:20 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:So if I'm following this, the best way to demonstrate that I'm a villager is to be the opposite of helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyViVmaBQDg" target="_blank

No, you are not being helpful if you expose a trap being set to catch a wolf.

Scoop was up to something, his rant and self vote were not his normal MO. I waited him out, but RMC says
Don't you think this might be calculated to see whom does what? Hmmmm......
SO if you are a villager why even warn everyone about this. (But this happens often with innocent villagers so this is not indictment of RMC right now) If you are a wolf you appear to be helpful in standing up for Scoop whom you know to be a villager.

I go back to games with Grundbegriff where he would often lay out an elaborate trap. It would be foolish of me to step up and say, "Oh, I remember Grund doing this in a game last year and it caught a wolf. Let's see if it works this time!"
Ok, I think I got it now. RMC was trying to be 'helpful' in explaining that it might be a ploy by Scoop. Him trying to be 'helpful' illustrates that me may be a wolf. But by exposing a trap being set to catch a wolf, he was in fact not being helpful, which makes him not a wolf. So since he's not a wolf he's just trying to figure things out, which is helpful. So he's a wolf. Which means...

Can I cast a recursive vote?

I need more Rhum

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:33 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Well, that changes things....
Not trying to bust your balls but what are you referring to?

Previous State: No underwear

Event Causing Change: Getting underwear

New State: Wearing underwear
Just a guess.

If that's the case then I've not made a significant change in weeks.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:34 pm

RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think is evil?
I want to hear from Scoop, and then I will do my big reveal. Not that I am usually right, I am almost always wrong..

Not to go into Scoop Crusading mode (I like the term crusading), in my past dealings with RMC, anytime he wants to hear from me, he be a rotten stinking wolf.

WTF ever wants to hear from me anyway?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:40 pm

El Guapo wrote:So if I'm following this, the best way to demonstrate that I'm a villager is to be the opposite of helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyViVmaBQDg" target="_blank

That wasn't very helpful.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:46 pm

I think I know what Lassr is trying to get at ...

My only point is all the reactions to my posts were either mild annoyance or silence except for RMC who kind of joked at it.

I just read it that he KNEW I was a innocent villager and was enjoying my performance. Thus he comments were trying to avoid or screw up a trap. I think he was just enjoying himself when pointing out that I might be faking my Hissy Fit to BB. It seemed like he was less puzzled by it and more entertained.

WELL RMC?! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED NOW!!!????!

RMC has played my puppy dog in a past game. I am still vexed about that experience and it might be coloring my judgement too.

Scoop shakes his fists RMC's general direction

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:12 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Well, that changes things....
Not trying to bust your balls but what are you referring to?

Previous State: No underwear

Event Causing Change: Getting underwear

New State: Wearing underwear
Just a guess.
If that's the case then I've not made a significant change in weeks.

This is too funny.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:14 pm

After more time to think about it, I see where Scoop is going with RMC.

At the same time, Theohall quickly siding with Scoop there still makes me a bit concerned. More about Theo than I am about Scoop.

So...

Theohall

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:33 pm

So Theo goes after Scoop for the slip, then sides with him. RMC acts helpful, but really deactivates a potential trap. RMC votes Theo, but he is always wrong as a villager. If RMC is a wolf, would he vote for another wolf day one? Maybe. I'm thinking this all day one huey. However, if we don't act on it, it could be a game long distraction.

The one thing I do keep coming back to though, is Theo's taking the easy way. He jumped on Scoop when it looked like the wind was blowing that way, then when the wind started blowing RMC's way, he was quick to jump on that train.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:36 pm

bb2112 wrote:So Theo goes after Scoop for the slip, then sides with him. RMC acts helpful, but really deactivates a potential trap. RMC votes Theo, but he is always wrong as a villager. If RMC is a wolf, would he vote for another wolf day one? Maybe. I'm thinking this all day one huey. However, if we don't act on it, it could be a game long distraction.

The one thing I do keep coming back to though, is Theo's taking the easy way. He jumped on Scoop when it looked like the wind was blowing that way, then when the wind started blowing RMC's way, he was quick to jump on that train.

The only one who had blown wind on RMC was Scoop. I just agreed with him and voted because of it. So if that's the wind blowing, I was helping blow it. But make up whatever you desire, instead.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:38 pm

Forgot to add all me agreeing with Scoop did was draw fire towards me, bb2112, moreso than "going with the wind."

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:15 am

Scoop20906 wrote:I think I know what Lassr is trying to get at ...

My only point is all the reactions to my posts were either mild annoyance or silence except for RMC who kind of joked at it.

I just read it that he KNEW I was a innocent villager and was enjoying my performance. Thus he comments were trying to avoid or screw up a trap. I think he was just enjoying himself when pointing out that I might be faking my Hissy Fit to BB. It seemed like he was less puzzled by it and more entertained.

WELL RMC?! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED NOW!!!????!

RMC has played my puppy dog in a past game. I am still vexed about that experience and it might be coloring my judgement too.

Scoop shakes his fists RMC's general direction

Actually I am entertained.

I wondered if you would remember me doing that to you. Worst ploy ever as a wolf, but I was the 'zerker then, so my job was to get lynched. But my little shinanigans following you around then got my lynched and made you look very innocent if I remember correctly. I love playing these games with scoop!!!

<shrug> I can safely say I am not a wolf. I know it. And I have no idea who is safe, and who is not safe, as it is only day one.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:17 am

RMC wrote:I love playing these games with scoop!!!

Likewise.

Now die, wolf!

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:09 am

Remus West wrote:If you are a villager, why worry about stepping in a trap in the first place?

This.. I would be interested in this answer

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:13 am

tru1cy wrote:
Remus West wrote:If you are a villager, why worry about stepping in a trap in the first place?

This.. I would be interested in this answer

who would you like to answer it?

When Remus asked it he seemed to be directing the question toward me but it was such a tangent to what I was talking about that I was not sure.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:02 am

Lassr wrote:
tru1cy wrote:
Remus West wrote:If you are a villager, why worry about stepping in a trap in the first place?

This.. I would be interested in this answer
who would you like to answer it?

When Remus asked it he seemed to be directing the question toward me but it was such a tangent to what I was talking about that I was not sure.

It was directed towards you..

At least that's the way I read it

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:03 am

Lassr wrote:
tru1cy wrote:
Remus West wrote:If you are a villager, why worry about stepping in a trap in the first place?

This.. I would be interested in this answer
who would you like to answer it?

When Remus asked it he seemed to be directing the question toward me but it was such a tangent to what I was talking about that I was not sure.

How was it a tangent?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:04 am

then I am confused as I have said nothing about that subject.

Which makes me wonder if Remus and you actually read anything I said. A wolf would just glance over posts because they are not trying to gather info.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:05 am

Remus West wrote:
Lassr wrote:
tru1cy wrote:
Remus West wrote:If you are a villager, why worry about stepping in a trap in the first place?

This.. I would be interested in this answer
who would you like to answer it?

When Remus asked it he seemed to be directing the question toward me but it was such a tangent to what I was talking about that I was not sure.
How was it a tangent?

because I never said anything about a villager worrying about stepping in a trap.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:12 am

My simple premise was If you are a villager, you see someone else acting different but you suspect they are just trying to get a reaction from people, why would you step up and say "Hey, he's probably acting weird because he wants to see what reactions he gets." Your post just influenced the "test results" possibly ruining any chance of catching someone in a slip.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:17 am

Now if you are a wolf, and you see someone acting weird that is NOT a wolf you know they are up to something. SO you are more likely to say, "Hey, don't jump on him, he may be trying to get a reaction from us." It's a post that makes you seem helpful to the one that was acting weird and thus maybe helpful to the village if/when weirdo turns up normal. But in reality you are not helping if said weirdo was really trying to test peoples reactions other than the fact that your reaction then raises an eyebrow.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:18 am

The End.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:27 am

RMC, RW, and bb2112.

That's my wolf guesses right now.

Lassr explained RW.
Scoop explained RMC.
bb2112 seemed to be building a straw man argument against me claiming I was just "blowing with the wind" when no one other than Scoop had really said anything significant about RMC and I chose to agree with Scoop.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:54 am

Lassr wrote:Now if you are a wolf, and you see someone acting weird that is NOT a wolf you know they are up to something. SO you are more likely to say, "Hey, don't jump on him, he may be trying to get a reaction from us." It's a post that makes you seem helpful to the one that was acting weird and thus maybe helpful to the village if/when weirdo turns up normal. But in reality you are not helping if said weirdo was really trying to test peoples reactions other than the fact that your reaction then raises an eyebrow.

All valid things. The only problem being I am not a wolf.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:04 pm

theohall wrote:RMC, RW, and bb2112.

That's my wolf guesses right now.

Lassr explained RW.
Scoop explained RMC.
bb2112 seemed to be building a straw man argument against me claiming I was just "blowing with the wind" when no one other than Scoop had really said anything significant about RMC and I chose to agree with Scoop.

Someday I'm going to be able to see your logic in one of these games. Today is not that day. Lassr explained me? Lassr hasn't even talked about me. He and I have been talking about RMC.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:12 pm

RMC wrote:
Lassr wrote:Now if you are a wolf, and you see someone acting weird that is NOT a wolf you know they are up to something. SO you are more likely to say, "Hey, don't jump on him, he may be trying to get a reaction from us." It's a post that makes you seem helpful to the one that was acting weird and thus maybe helpful to the village if/when weirdo turns up normal. But in reality you are not helping if said weirdo was really trying to test peoples reactions other than the fact that your reaction then raises an eyebrow.

All valid things. The only problem being I am not a wolf.

This could be true as I said somewhere in the many post I made on this subject I see many innocents doing this in the games. So the fact you did it is not an clear indicator that you are a wolf. Hell, I did it in the past, but I try not to do it these days.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:14 pm

Remus West wrote:
theohall wrote:RMC, RW, and bb2112.

That's my wolf guesses right now.

Lassr explained RW.
Scoop explained RMC.
bb2112 seemed to be building a straw man argument against me claiming I was just "blowing with the wind" when no one other than Scoop had really said anything significant about RMC and I chose to agree with Scoop.
Someday I'm going to be able to see your logic in one of these games. Today is not that day. Lassr explained me? Lassr hasn't even talked about me. He and I have been talking about RMC.

I believe this is what he is talking about. Do you skip a lot of my posts?

Lassr wrote:then I am confused as I have said nothing about that subject.

Which makes me wonder if Remus and you actually read anything I said. A wolf would just glance over posts because they are not trying to gather info.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:58 pm

VOTES
Scoop (1) - Holman,
Qantaga (1)- Mr. Bubbles,
Holman (2)- Truicy, Vorret,
RMC (2) - Scoop, Theohall,
Theohall (5) - Remus West, Lagom Lite, Qantaga, RMC, Proner,
Proner (1) - El Guapo,

Majority is 8

No Votes Cast - Lassr, BB2112,

If I missed anything or if there any corrections to be made, please let me know.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:39 pm

Looks like the wolves are 5/8ths of the way to killing a villager. Congrats!

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:40 pm

Lassr wrote:
Remus West wrote:
theohall wrote:RMC, RW, and bb2112.

That's my wolf guesses right now.

Lassr explained RW.
Scoop explained RMC.
bb2112 seemed to be building a straw man argument against me claiming I was just "blowing with the wind" when no one other than Scoop had really said anything significant about RMC and I chose to agree with Scoop.
Someday I'm going to be able to see your logic in one of these games. Today is not that day. Lassr explained me? Lassr hasn't even talked about me. He and I have been talking about RMC.
I believe this is what he is talking about. Do you skip a lot of my posts?

Lassr wrote:then I am confused as I have said nothing about that subject.

Which makes me wonder if Remus and you actually read anything I said. A wolf would just glance over posts because they are not trying to gather info.

Is Remus West playing the tl;dr version of this game, or what?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:32 pm

Man oh man, I don't know.
I don't want to jump on the bandwagon but it looks so compelling.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:43 pm

Lassr wrote:My simple premise was If you are a villager, you see someone else acting different but you suspect they are just trying to get a reaction from people, why would you step up and say "Hey, he's probably acting weird because he wants to see what reactions he gets." Your post just influenced the "test results" possibly ruining any chance of catching someone in a slip.

You say I am not reading your post but to me it looks more as though you are not paying attention to what you are writing. Your "simple premise was is you are a villager" which I clearly understood which led me to the question of why a villager is worried about odd behavior being a trap or simply being odd behavior. Thus, why my post was NOT a tangent but merely a continuation of your original "simple premise".

I did not attach your comment regarding glancing over posts to be refering to me as we were talking about RMC's actions and I mentally put it down as you saying he was not really looking into things but just glancing them over. Rereading it without the lead in I see how you pretty clearly meant me but I was pretty focused on the first part of the post where you claimed to have said nothing on a subject that I thought you had very clearly brought into play.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:43 pm

theohall wrote:Is Remus West playing the tl;dr version of this game, or what?

I'll let you know if someone posts something that is actually long.