[WW] -The Pirates of the Flying Octopi - Pirates win

[Mr Bubbles]

I need to go back and look at RMC's posts before I switch my vote. I will review my vote today.

[Lassr]

Lassr and Bubbs, you may like your Remus votes but I'm less sure about testing Remus than I am about testing RMC today.

Switch votes to RMC and you won't be sorry unless [you are] hairy.

I'll wait and hear what others think. I have no problem voting for either one. If others feel better about RMC over Remus then that is fine. They do seem to be the best targets for today.

[Holman]

My vote is looking for a home, and I'm willing to go along with this hairy test.

 RMC 
 

[Scoop20906]

My vote is looking for a home, and I'm willing to go along with this hairy test.

 RMC 
 

WW Pro-Tip: have an opinion when you vote for someone.

I would rather you vote for me and have a clear opinion then what you just did here.

[Holman]

My vote is looking for a home, and I'm willing to go along with this hairy test.

 RMC 
 

WW Pro-Tip: have an opinion when you vote for someone.

I would rather you vote for me and have a clear opinion then what you just did here.

It is possible that I simply suck at this game.

But what I thought was happening was that a "test" was developing. This means (so far as I understand it) that an experienced player (like yourself) needs to gather support for your lynching. Obviously you don't get to test without supporting votes, but you also can't spell everything out without giving the suspected wolf or his partners a way out. Basically, I was throwing support to you because I don't see you as a likely wolf (am I wrong?), and I'm putting trust in your judgment.

I can't spell out more without giving hints to possible wolves.

Again, possibly I just suck etc.

[Scoop20906]

No, I'm not saying you suck at this game or even that I think you suck.

But one thing that triggers my alarm bells is when a person votes for someone and basically says "ohh me too".

So, lets say you vote for RMC and he turns out human/good.

Next thing I know you say, "We'll, I was going along with Scoop. I can't be blamed."

I have a low opinion of this kind of play.

[Holman]

No, I'm not saying you suck at this game or even that I think you suck.

But one thing that triggers my alarm bells is when a person votes for someone and basically says "ohh me too".

So, lets say you vote for RMC and he turns out human/good.

Next thing I know you say, "We'll, I was going along with Scoop. I can't be blamed."

I have a low opinion of this kind of play.

I may suck whether you think so or not!

But I wasn't piggy-backing in order to blame you later. I haven't played enough to trust my instincts entirely, but I do have reasons.

[El Guapo]

Current votes (I think):

Holman (1) - Truicy,
Remus West (3)- Lassr, Lagom Lite, Mr. Bubbles,
Lassr (1)- Proner
RMC (3)- Scoop, Vorret, Holman
Scoop (1)- RMC

- RMC, Remus - seem to be the top two candidates at the moment. Case for Remus seems to be based on the spat with Lassr over the nature of traps and a proper villager response. Plus him being Remus (which, to be fair, has been highly correlated with lycanthropy). I kind of suspect that the latter factor is outweighing the former since it seems like Remus is mostly probing, but I'm open to pitches on this from people who think otherwise.

But then I'm not sure I understand the developing case against RMC either - Scoop claims that RMC is setting off "alarm bells" but fails to specify which ones (unless I missed that, which is possible). Holman doesn't seem to give any reasons at all (troubling, as Scoop notes).

Lassr - gets pretty frustrated (seemingly) over the exchange with Remus. Question is whether that's just villager frustration over what he may see as trivial posts, wolf frustration over potentially getting busted for the same. There's also Qantaga's interesting theory that this is a mock wolf spat, and Qantaga seems to have one of the highest correlations with being right in these games (from my recollection).

Scoop - I'm starting to question some of his posts here. There was the "jumping the gun", which seemed to involve some type of plan that didn't seem to go anywhere. "Jumping the gun" sounds like a shooter hint - possible villager attempting to draw a night kill? Perhaps more troubling / confusing is the promised threat list followed by "My threat list will have to wait. Remus will have to wait." With the vote for RMC. Why exactly should the threat list wait until after a possible lynch of RMC? Doesn't the village want more information / theories / analysis? I could see a contingent threat list (like, if RMC comes up villager / wolf then the following people are more/less likely to be wolves), but why no list at all?

Holman - see the point here the Holman seems reticent / tentative to full engage / analyze. Would like to see more from him on his reasoning - don't be shy! Yes, you may wind up wrongfully (or rightfully) lynched over some silly tense re-phrasing, but the village tends to be served better by more information, so I say go for it. Besides, if you don't people are going to rightfully look askance at you anyhow.

Bubbles / tru1cy / proner - generally pretty quiet (though tru1cy was above average active on day 1). Possibly ironic for me to vote based on that given my neglect of the thread this week, but that's not a good reason to vote.

Persons of interest: RMC or Remus, Scoop, Bubbles. Possibly Holman, but I'd like to see more from him before I go for that.

[Scoop20906]

But then I'm not sure I understand the developing case against RMC either - Scoop claims that RMC is setting off "alarm bells" but fails to specify which ones (unless I missed that, which is possible). Holman doesn't seem to give any reasons at all (troubling, as Scoop notes).

Yep, you HAVE completely missed my claims against RMC so I will refresh your memory. First off, when I threw my hissy fit most everyone responded with announce (YOU included) or silence except for RMC who seemed entertained by my act and even pointed out that I seemed to be acting.

I read this as a player who had "knowledge" that I was a good player putting on a show to get reactions. Since he seemed to "know" I was acting I read him as a wolf who inadvertently outed himself but just having fun.

I pushed for RMC's test yesterday but the theohall vote took over. I started Day 2 hanging back and watching the interplay between Remus and Lassr over their interpretation of my "trap" and whether a wolf would or regular player call it a trap in thread or "out loud". I cast a vote for Remus but then RMC's triggered my radar again by continuing his campaign of showing how he is "never" right and isn't a wolf in this game. Add that to the puppy dog play of Hollman and Vorret (which reminds me of a game that RMC played with me once when he was a zerker) and I smelled stinky wolf breath at work I switched my vote to RMC. IMHO he should be today's test. Even over Remus.

I'm surprised you say I have failed to explain why I've voted for RMC when not only I but Remus, Lassr and RMC have ALL commented on this. I can't believe you don't remember all this stuff.

Scoop - I'm starting to question some of his posts here. There was the "jumping the gun", which seemed to involve some type of plan that didn't seem to go anywhere. "Jumping the gun" sounds like a shooter hint - possible villager attempting to draw a night kill? Perhaps more troubling / confusing is the promised threat list followed by "My threat list will have to wait. Remus will have to wait." With the vote for RMC. Why exactly should the threat list wait until after a possible lynch of RMC? Doesn't the village want more information / theories / analysis? I could see a contingent threat list (like, if RMC comes up villager / wolf then the following people are more/less likely to be wolves), but why no list at all?

Are you really troubled I didn't provide a threat list after I said I would provide one?? Is that really troubling you??

My original offer to release my threat list was to see if I could garner votes for Remus and to share my knowledge. And I was ready to post it when RMC triggered my alarm bells again today and I decided we needed to test RMC today. At that point, I wanted to hold back my views so as not to spook who I think are the other wolves. Plus, if I am right about RMC then the release of my threat list will definitely garner more attention. You have a slight point that the village always wants more information but I feel my reasons for holding back are sound. If you don't agree you can throw your vote my way. I have no fear of dying and I know I will always be a distraction so I'm one of those guys you don't want to let hang around until the end of the game whether he is good or bad.

[Scoop20906]

Ok, then vote for RMC.

Or vote for a wolf, like oh..

 Scoop 
 

Just one thing to note for those that don't see what I am talking about with RMC.

See that? A nice safe place for RMC's vote. He can use the triggercut principle (which I hate cause people hide behind it) and no one questions him why he made the vote.

Notice he did the EXACT same thing yesterday with theohall.

He even went so far to call both of us wolves. Ok, how would he know we are wolves? Just because we voted for him? Think through the logic on that.

IMHO, he is a wolf who is looking for a safe place to put his votes and hoping the vote train moves off onto someone else. He can't direct a train because he wants to fly under the radar as much as possible after how he garnered so much attention on day one.

Wolves LOVE to fly under the radar but still look helpful and active. You feel like you need to vote but you don't want to say or do anything that can come back and bite you. Some people use humor when they are a wolf. Some are aggressive using past game antics to focus on. Other go completely silent expect for the occasional "IM HERE" posts. Either way, playing as a wolf is extremely difficult and its very easy to make a slip. I think RMC already made a slip and I want to test my theory.

Does anyone have a better theory? ? ?

Please, think people.

[tru1cy]

Not convinced about Remus or RMC yet. Remus was on a fishing expedition and I'm a little surprised lassr took the bait. As to RMC he hasn't set off any alarm bells

[Lassr]

Remus was on a fishing expedition and I'm a little surprised lassr took the bait.

you know that for a fact?

I didn't at the time.

What did he catch?

[tru1cy]

Remus was on a fishing expedition and I'm a little surprised lassr took the bait.

you know that for a fact?

I didn't at the time.

What did he catch?

I figured he was just testing you, but that's just my opinion. My guess he was watching to see who would jump on you too

[pr0ner]

Fascinating.

[Lassr]

 withdraw Remus West 
 

[Scoop20906]

Princess pirate scoop sits on the deck making a balloon animal in the shape of a Parrot. When he is finished he ties the balloon parrot to his wrist with a string and watches the balloon parrot drift in the wind above him. Princess pirate scoop sighs.

"Ahh, Wonder Parrot. When will my subjects get off their asses and vote for RMC", muses Princess pirate scoop.

"Bwaak, Bwaak", answers Wonder Parrot.

"Don't get technical with me.", snarked Princess pirate scoop and goes back to shaving his palms.

[RMC]

Princess pirate scoop sits on the deck making a balloon animal in the shape of a Parrot. When he is finished he ties the balloon parrot to his wrist with a string and watches the balloon parrot drift in the wind above him. Princess pirate scoop sighs.

"Ahh, Wonder Parrot. When will my subjects get off their asses and vote for RMC", muses Princess pirate scoop.

"Bwaak, Bwaak", answers Wonder Parrot.

"Don't get technical with me.", snarked Princess pirate scoop and goes back to shaving his palms.

Don't make me hurt you princess. I am not a wolf.

Let us look at some of the quiet ones perhaps?

[Scoop20906]

RMC, I'm listening...

[RMC]

RMC, I'm listening...

Vorret - Seems to be engaged, and is feeling everyone out.
Truicy - Normal Truicy, which means nothing. Posts enough to keep everyone remembering he is here, but picks his targets on a whim it seems.
Scoop - The princess
Lagom Lite - Insightful, and minimal posting. I have seem wolf Lagom like this in the past.
Lassr - Very aggressive, and focused on 'convincing' everyone about what he thought could be a slip. I think he is doing a good job of building a case for his choices for late game. Wolfish behavior in my opinion.
Proner - Minimal posting, but has gotten more into the game.
Remus West - Was very involved, but seems to have backed off.
Qantaga - was in the background, but has come more to the fore recently. I am undecided about him.
Mr. Bubbles - Looking over my old posts was the last message...Is he really looking, or just commenting enough to stay in the game and not get any notice?
El Guapo - Normal El Guapo behavior, so that tells us nothing.
RMC - Hey this is me, I know me.
Holman - Newbie act is pretty thick, but this is how he played last game as well. Possibly a wolf? Yes, I think so.

So my three current suspects are, Holman, Lassr and Mr. Bubbles.

I am not sold on any of them, but it just seems like these are the peeps to me.

No one is 'silent' but some people are more on the post once a day type behavior. And following that logic, out of my three choices I am leaning towards Mr. Bubbles as my choice of wolf to vote for.

I triggercut a vote for Scoop, but it's scoop. It's fun to vote for the princess.

[Vorret]

Great post RMC, I see you also have your suspicion about Holman...

[Newcastle]

Votes -
Majority is 7


Holman (1) - Truicy,
Remus West (2)- Lagom Lite, Mr. Bubbles,
Lassr (1)- Proner
RMC (3)- Scoop, Vorret, Holman,
Scoop (1)- RMC,


No Votes Cast - Remus West, Qantaga, El Guapo, Lassr,

[Newcastle]

DEADLINE IN EFFECT

MOD NOTE....I am putting in a deadline of 6 PM PACIFIC (9PM EST) on FRIDAY 2/15.

If a majority hasnt been reached we will go into the night cycle with no lynch occurring.

[Scoop20906]

Holman - Newbie act is pretty thick, but this is how he played last game as well. Possibly a wolf? Yes, I think so.

This isn't Holman's first game?

[pr0ner]

I noticed that, too.

Holman AND RMC as wolves? Is it possible?

[Lassr]

Holman - Newbie act is pretty thick, but this is how he played last game as well. Possibly a wolf? Yes, I think so.

This isn't Holman's first game?

2nd game for Holman

[Vorret]

I noticed that, too.

Holman AND RMC as wolves? Is it possible?

Why would Holman vote for RMC then?
Easy way to test, bump to 6 votes, see if he removes his. Dangerous but it should provide answers for 2 players at once?

[RMC]

I noticed that, too.

Holman AND RMC as wolves? Is it possible?

Why would Holman vote for RMC then?
Easy way to test, bump to 6 votes, see if he removes his. Dangerous but it should provide answers for 2 players at once?

A little flawed logic there, since you outlined what he has to do to prove he is not a wolf. There are three wolves so all Holman needs to do to be proven is kill me? Wolves might sacrifice one wolf, especially if that wolf was the berserker to get a 'proven'.

When I coma back as a villager, then what does it prove? That I was not a wolf, and everyone on the vote might be?

[Holman]

Holman - Newbie act is pretty thick, but this is how he played last game as well. Possibly a wolf? Yes, I think so.

This isn't Holman's first game?

2nd game for Holman

Right. This is my 2nd game evah. I didn't know what I was doing the first time either, so this time around I'm apparently tilting towards talking too much.

My goal all along has just been to learn how to play, but it is dawning on me that this is not a game where people give helpful tips.

[RMC]

Holman - Newbie act is pretty thick, but this is how he played last game as well. Possibly a wolf? Yes, I think so.

This isn't Holman's first game?

2nd game for Holman

Right. This is my 2nd game evah. I didn't know what I was doing the first time either, so this time around I'm apparently tilting towards talking too much.

My goal all along has just been to learn how to play, but it is dawning on me that this is not a game where people give helpful tips.

Well it depends on which side your on, and umm which side the tips come from.

[tru1cy]

I'm not moving my vote.. I still contend that killing BB2112 was a newbie move..

[Qantaga]

I'm not moving my vote.. I still contend that killing BB2112 was a newbie move..

tru1cy, will you explain your reasoning here?

I mentioned this earlier, but you either didn't see it or chose not to address it.

I just can't make sense of your logic for two reasons:

1. Assuming that it really is a newbie move (and I don't believe it to be so), why would you think a wolf team of three (meaning at the very least there would be one experienced player) would defer the night kill decision completely to Holman? In order for this to truly be the newbie move you are claiming it to be, it implies that all three wolves fall into the newbie category or at the very least that the experienced wolf(ves) didn't care to participate.

2. I don't believe this to be a newbie move. I previously outlined a scenario why bb might have been chosen as the night kill that has nothing to do with newb-ness. As a matter of fact, I've seen a team composed of Unagi, stess, and coop use this very same reason to kill Chaos when he did the same thing bb did. In that case, Chaos went to his grave with an unused rez in his pocket, so it's hardly a newbie move.

Holman might very well be a wolf, but your reason for it seems manufactured to me.

 tru1cy 
 

[Lassr]

 tru1cy 
 


I'm with Q, that makes no sense, and I also didn't like tru1cy's post above where he says Remus was testing me as if he KNOWS Remus is a villager and not a wolf. He says it was his opinion after I questioned his post.

[pr0ner]

I'll hop aboard this. It's interesting that tru1cy is still pushing the bb2112 death as a "newbie" move; the fact that there are, most likely, two experienced players in the wolves pack means Holman, if wolf, couldn't be acting alone.

I will say, though, that a vote for tru1cy, while making me less suspicious of lassr, doesn't change my suspicion level for Holman at all.

 tru1cy 
 

[Vorret]

Well this is interesting and surprising... what bothers me is there's a bunch of people who are "suspicious" of Holman yet nobody will vote for him?

[pr0ner]

Well this is interesting and surprising... what bothers me is there's a bunch of people who are "suspicious" of Holman yet nobody will vote for him?

I've said before why I don't want to vote for Holman now. That reasoning hasn't changed.

[tru1cy]

Well this is interesting and surprising... what bothers me is there's a bunch of people who are "suspicious" of Holman yet nobody will vote for him?

I've said before why I don't want to vote for Holman now. That reasoning hasn't changed.

What's the reasoning?

[Vorret]

Well this is interesting and surprising... what bothers me is there's a bunch of people who are "suspicious" of Holman yet nobody will vote for him?

I've said before why I don't want to vote for Holman now. That reasoning hasn't changed.

Missed it, will read the last few pages again.

[Lassr]

Holman seems overly cautious, even for a newbie, but I think if he's evil, he'll give himself enough rope to use later that I need not focus on him now.

[Vorret]

Gotcha.
Makes sense.

The reasons for going against Tru1cy are weak though

[tru1cy]

Gotcha.
Makes sense.

The reasons for going against Tru1cy are weak though

Its a waste of a vote, but I won't fight it. Its all data for the end game anyway