[WW] -The Pirates of the Flying Octopi - Pirates win

[pr0ner]

If scoop is a wolf then kudos to him for the brilliant play. He feels like the good scoop that makes you want to pull your hair out.

While part of me feels like he's the good scoop that makes you want to pull your hair out, some of the petulance makes me think he's bad scoop and this is all a ruse, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing (but, perhaps, grasping at straws).

[Scoop20906]

Interesting.

Vorret, I've given more information than any other single pirate so far this game.

Take this as an opportunity forge your own opinion and push your own agenda.

The other side of this coin is that you, Vorret, could be a wolf attempting to get me to "clarify" whom your next kill should be.

As I said before, I had to make a decision today to speak up or keep quiet. I think I've made the best choice for the good pirates to win.

[Scoop20906]

If scoop is a wolf then kudos to him for the brilliant play. He feels like the good scoop that makes you want to pull your hair out.

While part of me feels like he's the good scoop that makes you want to pull your hair out, some of the petulance makes me think he's bad scoop and this is all a ruse, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing (but, perhaps, grasping at straws).

I do want to comment on this. What petulance have I shown? Are you referring to my self-vote? You really think I did out of petulance?

[Vorret]

I now have to google words.
Damn you french roots!

[pr0ner]

I've nothing further to explain.

[pr0ner]

And the self vote, which you've done in multiple other games.

[El Guapo]

I wouldn't say the self-vote was actually petulant since my impression is that it was a game of sorts to evaluate reactions (as opposed to a genuine self-vote, like tru1cy did later).

The refusal to disclose information is a little more baffling. The question is whether he's a villager attempting to draw the night kill, or whether he's a wolf trying to claim special without claiming special.

I just hope that he's not actually a special, and god help us if he's the seer.

[Vorret]

I wouldn't say the self-vote was actually petulant since my impression is that it was a game of sorts to evaluate reactions (as opposed to a genuine self-vote, like tru1cy did later).

The refusal to disclose information is a little more baffling. The question is whether he's a villager attempting to draw the night kill, or whether he's a wolf trying to claim special without claiming special.

I just hope that he's not actually a special, and god help us if he's the seer.

ThaT's kinda what's worrying me.
How are we suppose to react to what he said? We have some info that's worth nothing in making a decision.

[El Guapo]

I wouldn't say the self-vote was actually petulant since my impression is that it was a game of sorts to evaluate reactions (as opposed to a genuine self-vote, like tru1cy did later).

The refusal to disclose information is a little more baffling. The question is whether he's a villager attempting to draw the night kill, or whether he's a wolf trying to claim special without claiming special.

I just hope that he's not actually a special, and god help us if he's the seer.

ThaT's kinda what's worrying me.
How are we suppose to react to what he said? We have some info that's worth nothing in making a decision.

Well, we do have information to evaluate what he's doing - that's more or less what I did above (and what others have done). Assuming he's not going to add anything (which appears to be the case), as to how we 'react' - the only question is whether we threaten to lynch him by bringing him close to the brink. Risk: we accidentally out the seer (or the shooter, but I don't consider that much of a risk since I think the shooter should be shooting today anyway). Reward: we force Scoopwolf to add additional information that could bust him (like, he could try to claim special and be countered).

[El Guapo]

I wouldn't say the self-vote was actually petulant since my impression is that it was a game of sorts to evaluate reactions (as opposed to a genuine self-vote, like tru1cy did later).

The refusal to disclose information is a little more baffling. The question is whether he's a villager attempting to draw the night kill, or whether he's a wolf trying to claim special without claiming special.

I just hope that he's not actually a special, and god help us if he's the seer.

ThaT's kinda what's worrying me.
How are we suppose to react to what he said? We have some info that's worth nothing in making a decision.

Eh bien, nous n'avons pas d'informations pour évaluer ce qu'il fait - c'est plus ou moins ce que j'ai fait ci-dessus (et autres l'ont fait). En supposant qu'il ne va pas ajouter quelque chose (ce qui semble être le cas), quant à comment nous « réagir » - la seule question est que nous risquons de lyncher en lui apportant à proximité du gouffre. Risque : nous sortir accidentellement la voyante (ou le tireur, mais je ne considère pas que beaucoup de risques car je pense que le tireur doit être tir aujourd'hui en tout cas). Récompense : nous forcer Scoopwolf pour ajouter des informations supplémentaires que pourraient lui buste (comme, il pourrait essayer de réclamer spécial et être contrée).

[Vorret]

I wouldn't say the self-vote was actually petulant since my impression is that it was a game of sorts to evaluate reactions (as opposed to a genuine self-vote, like tru1cy did later).

The refusal to disclose information is a little more baffling. The question is whether he's a villager attempting to draw the night kill, or whether he's a wolf trying to claim special without claiming special.

I just hope that he's not actually a special, and god help us if he's the seer.

ThaT's kinda what's worrying me.
How are we suppose to react to what he said? We have some info that's worth nothing in making a decision.

Eh bien, nous n'avons pas d'informations pour évaluer ce qu'il fait - c'est plus ou moins ce que j'ai fait ci-dessus (et autres l'ont fait). En supposant qu'il ne va pas ajouter quelque chose (ce qui semble être le cas), quant à comment nous « réagir » - la seule question est que nous risquons de lyncher en lui apportant à proximité du gouffre. Risque : nous sortir accidentellement la voyante (ou le tireur, mais je ne considère pas que beaucoup de risques car je pense que le tireur doit être tir aujourd'hui en tout cas). Récompense : nous forcer Scoopwolf pour ajouter des informations supplémentaires que pourraient lui buste (comme, il pourrait essayer de réclamer spécial et être contrée).

Oh my

[El Guapo]

How'd that turn out? I've actually been somewhat impressed with the Bing Translator that Facebook uses for foreign language posts.

And as a side note, I'm definitely going to call the seer the "voyante" from now on.

[Remus West]

Briefly, I have read back up on the thread thus far but only have a minute. I like Scoop's play today. It makes me think "Good Scoop" rather than "Evil Scoop" but we shall see how it runs out.

[Vorret]

How'd that turn out? I've actually been somewhat impressed with the Bing Translator that Facebook uses for foreign language posts.

And as a side note, I'm definitely going to call the seer the "voyante" from now on.

It's not bad if you know what the topic is, otherwise I'd be really confused

[Lassr]

So anyone else got a threat list, a vote to throw on someone, anything?

I've got my vote on Remus still.

[Remus West]

So anyone else got a threat list, a vote to throw on someone, anything?

I've got my vote on Remus still.

Which only shows you can be wrong consistently to.

see what I did there? Self mockery FTW.

[RMC]

I don't think Scoop is a wolf. I also don't think he is the seer or the shooter. I think he is being Scoop, and thinks that based on my not reading the rules correctly, and a few others following he can 'clear' some of us.

I am not sure I like that logic, other than I really did make the mistake of thinking there was a 'zerker. There are some very good players out there that could jump on that and try to also look like a non-wolf.

However, let's flip my little faux pas? Who was around when I was talking about 'zerker that, and 'zerker this, and did not comment on it, that ALWAYS knows the rules? Hmmm.... Might that not tell us something?

I am at work, so can't do that research right now, but will soon.

[Vorret]

I don't think Scoop is a wolf. I also don't think he is the seer or the shooter. I think he is being Scoop, and thinks that based on my not reading the rules correctly, and a few others following he can 'clear' some of us.

I am not sure I like that logic, other than I really did make the mistake of thinking there was a 'zerker. There are some very good players out there that could jump on that and try to also look like a non-wolf.

However, let's flip my little faux pas? Who was around when I was talking about 'zerker that, and 'zerker this, and did not comment on it, that ALWAYS knows the rules? Hmmm.... Might that not tell us something?

I am at work, so can't do that research right now, but will soon.

The "is there a zerker" question is soooo far fetched it's making my eyes bleed. I saw it as a legit question from a few people who were not sure.

[RMC]

But that is the point. I didn't question it, I stated it as fact. No one pointed out for a while that I was wrong... That there was no 'Zerker.

<shrug> Any information is good information..

[Holman]

I'm not sure how anyone can be "pretty sure" of the shooter at this point. There's nothing to go on. Either he's the shooter (and he knows for sure) or he's the seer and has discovered the shooter (and he knows for sure). There is no "pretty sure."

Perhaps wolves are told more in this game than regular villagers are? The rules don't explicitly forbid that as I read them.

Since no one has commented, I'll ask. Are wolves told more (in their secret forum) than villagers are when someone dies? For example, if they kill the seer, do they know it?

[Lassr]

I'm not sure how anyone can be "pretty sure" of the shooter at this point. There's nothing to go on. Either he's the shooter (and he knows for sure) or he's the seer and has discovered the shooter (and he knows for sure). There is no "pretty sure."

Perhaps wolves are told more in this game than regular villagers are? The rules don't explicitly forbid that as I read them.

Since no one has commented, I'll ask. Are wolves told more (in their secret forum) than villagers are when someone dies? For example, if they kill the seer, do they know it?

Normally no. You usually must have a coroner role to do that.

Ask the MOD time.

[Newcastle]

Since no one has commented, I'll ask. Are wolves told more (in their secret forum) than villagers are when someone dies? For example, if they kill the seer, do they know it?

Normally no. You usually must have a coroner role to do that.

Ask the MOD time.

MOD REPLY

Wolves/Evil Spirits do not get role information from their night kills.

[Scoop20906]

I've nothing further to explain.

Aww. Ok, I can see how some could consider this unhelpful but truly as I said before I've given you more information today than anyone else had all game.

My other choice was to sit quietly. We are at a crucial point in the game. Using my own information I've reduced my probably wolves into a list of four.

I am suggesting heavily that other do the same and lets lynch ourselves a wolf.

And just to follow the thought of my play to its completion I HAVE taken a HUGE risk that I will die tonight and will be unable to provide any new information or perform any action tomorrow. It's a big risk but since no one else had declared anything I think it is best that whoever is the shooter wait until tomorrow when the unknowns pool shrinks and our odds of a shot increase.

Now, pr0ner, you are probably saying that the wolves will probably ignore me again thinking I am faking a role. Well, wouldn't that be convenient for me tomorrow? Do you think I am faking a role? I've yet to claim anything. I've just said that I am "pretty sure" the shooter still lives and positive the shooter should not use the shot today.

[Scoop20906]

Vorret, the only info the wolves have that each of us don't is who they are and whatever they ate discussing the their special forum. They've no idea who the specials could be or even if they are currently a pet shop parrot.

[El Guapo]

Since no one has commented, I'll ask. Are wolves told more (in their secret forum) than villagers are when someone dies? For example, if they kill the seer, do they know it?

Normally no. You usually must have a coroner role to do that.

Ask the MOD time.

MOD REPLY

Wolves/Evil Spirits do not get role information from their night kills.

You edited your post!

[Scoop20906]

Since no one has commented, I'll ask. Are wolves told more (in their secret forum) than villagers are when someone dies? For example, if they kill the seer, do they know it?

Normally no. You usually must have a coroner role to do that.

Ask the MOD time.

MOD REPLY

Wolves/Evil Spirits do not get role information from their night kills.

You edited your post!

Crap! I just sprayed water all over my phone. LOL

[Newcastle]

Since no one has commented, I'll ask. Are wolves told more (in their secret forum) than villagers are when someone dies? For example, if they kill the seer, do they know it?

Normally no. You usually must have a coroner role to do that.

Ask the MOD time.

MOD REPLY

Wolves/Evil Spirits do not get role information from their night kills.

You edited your post!

A giant octopi burst from the seas and quickly ate El Guapo!

[Newcastle]

The giant octopi resurfaced and spit up El Guapo, unhurt and unharmed; a stern eye warning of criticizing the elements that be hopefully registering.

[Holman]

The next game *MUST* have a "giant octopi" special!

[pr0ner]

Now, pr0ner, you are probably saying that the wolves will probably ignore me again thinking I am faking a role. Well, wouldn't that be convenient for me tomorrow? Do you think I am faking a role? I've yet to claim anything. I've just said that I am "pretty sure" the shooter still lives and positive the shooter should not use the shot today.

Yes. I do think the possibility exists that you're faking a role. You've done it before and gotten yourself shot over it. I wouldn't put it past you to do it again.

[Newcastle]

tick...tick...tick...

94.5 hours till the bell tolls!

[Scoop20906]

Updated Unknown
5. Mr. Bubbles
6. Lagom Lite
11. El Guapo
14. Proner

2. Remus West
6. Lagom Lite
11. El Guapo
13. Vorret

My opinion at this moment is the 3 wolves are in this group.

I'm interested in testing  Lagom Lite 
 

[Lassr]

You took Remus off your list?

[Vorret]

Updated Unknown
5. Mr. Bubbles
6. Lagom Lite
11. El Guapo
14. Proner

2. Remus West
6. Lagom Lite
11. El Guapo
13. Vorret

My opinion at this moment is the 3 wolves are in this group.

I'm interested in testing  Lagom Lite 
 

I can back this vote, I've had my doubt about Lagom with his odd posts today.

 Lagom 
 

[Lassr]

I'm Ok with Lagom and will switch my vote if that is where we agree to go this day.

[pr0ner]

You took Remus off your list?

Remus never made it to Scoop's most recent threat list after he did his voting analysis.

[Scoop20906]

You took Remus off your list?

Remus never made it to Scoop's most recent threat list after he did his voting analysis.

Pr0ner is correct.

I welcome everyone to come up with their own short list (just like Lassr did) and use their own reasoning much like I did and to be as transparent about it as possible. I'd prefer that to everyone just hopping on my vote.

[Scoop20906]

Now, pr0ner, you are probably saying that the wolves will probably ignore me again thinking I am faking a role. Well, wouldn't that be convenient for me tomorrow? Do you think I am faking a role? I've yet to claim anything. I've just said that I am "pretty sure" the shooter still lives and positive the shooter should not use the shot today.

Yes. I do think the possibility exists that you're faking a role. You've done it before and gotten yourself shot over it. I wouldn't put it past you to do it again.

Pr0ner, I'm not faking anything.

[Remus West]

Now, pr0ner, you are probably saying that the wolves will probably ignore me again thinking I am faking a role. Well, wouldn't that be convenient for me tomorrow? Do you think I am faking a role? I've yet to claim anything. I've just said that I am "pretty sure" the shooter still lives and positive the shooter should not use the shot today.

Yes. I do think the possibility exists that you're faking a role. You've done it before and gotten yourself shot over it. I wouldn't put it past you to do it again.

Pr0ner, I'm not faking anything.

I think that is part of the issue folks have with your play. If you die tonight (and there is no protector so there is nothing to stop them) then all knowledge of your role (if any) goes with you and thus opens it up for the wolves to spoof later. That is what, imo, folks are worried about.

As for Lagom, he would be on my short list but below Vorret and with Vorret seeming happy to vote there I need to reread before I decide if I feel good about joining the vote.

They are my top two though with 3 and 4 being a fair distance behind them.

[pr0ner]

Now, pr0ner, you are probably saying that the wolves will probably ignore me again thinking I am faking a role. Well, wouldn't that be convenient for me tomorrow? Do you think I am faking a role? I've yet to claim anything. I've just said that I am "pretty sure" the shooter still lives and positive the shooter should not use the shot today.

Yes. I do think the possibility exists that you're faking a role. You've done it before and gotten yourself shot over it. I wouldn't put it past you to do it again.

Pr0ner, I'm not faking anything.

I think that is part of the issue folks have with your play. If you die tonight (and there is no protector so there is nothing to stop them) then all knowledge of your role (if any) goes with you and thus opens it up for the wolves to spoof later. That is what, imo, folks are worried about.

As for Lagom, he would be on my short list but below Vorret and with Vorret seeming happy to vote there I need to reread before I decide if I feel good about joining the vote.

They are my top two though with 3 and 4 being a fair distance behind them.

Seriously. Remus hits the nail on the head here about Scoop's play.

Not sure who I'm going to vote for yet, but my current list of people I'd consider voting for includes Scoop, Holman (as it has all game), and Lagom. Maybe Bubbles, too.