[WW]BSG IX -Cold Blood (Game over)

[theohall]

Guys I got nothing. I would hate to deflect attention to Bubbles or RMC ( hope everything is well.) will post more tomorrow. Sort of meta if RMC had a significant role I expect he would have been replaced is my guess.

Really think the last 1 - 2 wolves are in the active players.

The issue is writing this and then writing nothing.

[Remus West]

What am I looking for? Someone that is postulating, digging up posts, giving opinions, you know, helping.

I've done that. Minds have been made up and at point you guys can miss with me and be right back at this point arguing amongst yourselves tomorrow

So if you are a miss you are also certain that Galen is not an issue tomorrow? You know, the whole he shoots one of us and the Cylons win the game issue.

[tru1cy]

Seriously, I have nothing. I don't think Galen was converted .. I think Qantaga is Galen but again I could be wrong.

,so I don't have the time or the inclination to dig around in post. I just don't have the time. I will be a miss. Of course if I'm a Ceylon i would say that.

That's it. Have at it

[Lassr]

1 BB2112 ---------- tru1cy ---
2 Qantaga ---------- ---
3 theohall ---------- tru1cy ---
4 tru1cy ---------- tru1cy ---
5 Remus West ---------- ---
6 RMC ---------- ---
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------
.
tru1cy -2 ----- Theohall -- bb2112
-----


Majority = 4
Deadline is: Friday 26th 2:00 PM Central

pr0ner -------- pricked
Chaosraven -------- de-furred
Newcastle -------- bashed
Unagi ------- Cained
Scoop ------- Scooped
LordMortis ------ iced
Holman ------- blown
vorret ------- assploded
Purge ------ toast
redrun ----- red ran

[Qantaga]

Okay.

So, it looks like we can't count on tru1cy, RMC, or Mr Bubbles for investigation, leaving the discussion in the hands of {theohall, Remus, bb, Qantaga}.

And, it looks like our best vote is to stay away from theo, RMC, or Mr Bubbles, leaving the best lynch candidate in the pool of {Remus, bb, tru1cy, Qantaga}.

Yesterday, I did a fairly thorough review of bb, among others, but I didn't look at Remus or tru1cy in as much detail because, as my reviews grew, it became obvious that my vote would land on either theo or purge.

I'm going to go back through tru1cy and Remus today.

[Remus West]

Seriously, I have nothing. I don't think Galen was converted .. I think Qantaga is Galen but again I could be wrong.

How does this jibe with saying you were likely to vote bb2112 or theohall?
I was inclined to believe you at the start of the day but a lot of what you have been saying just does not make sense.

[Qantaga]

tru1cy:

Day 1:

- Early vote on Unagi.
- Several innocuous comments early on.
- Notes that Remus and Chaos could be partners talking about the evil forums in public
- Withdraws vote on Unagi when Unagi puts his "let's start with a cylon" vote on Scoop.
- Says he has no problem voting for Scoop, but doesn't.
- Votes Remus after Unagi says his vote on Scoop is not a claim of certainty.
- Comments on Holman (willing to give him a pass, willing to vote on him in same post).
- Involved in discussion about the nightly scan order. Once the order is clarified and adjusted, places a vote on Holman.
- Same page, comes back and withdraws vote on Holman, saying he doesn't want to train Holman.
- Calls out non-committed players for not voting for a potential Holman/Galen, yet doesn't vote on Holman himself. Makes an additional comment in the same vein on the next page.
- A few pages later, he comes back and puts a 5th vote on Chaos.
- Says he will vote Chaos or Holman, but not Scoop because he doesn't trust those on Scoop's train (namely, in tru1cy's words, Unagi and Remus).

- Then, an interesting event on page 17. There are 4 votes on each of Chaos, Scoop, and Holman. tru1cy's vote is on Chaos. The deadline is approaching. bb places vote #5 on Scoop. Then, LM puts vote # 6 on Scoop. Scoop then comes along with a "What's my vote count? Am I at N-1?" post. Newcastle tells Scoop that he's N-3. Scoop says "please don't kill me." Then, tru1cy comes in and votes for Scoop, moving Chaos down to 3 votes, leaving Holman at 4 votes and moving Scoop to a still safe N-2. tru1cy gives no reason for his change of heart, other than if Scoop does not come back Cylon, he will be not budging from Unagi or Remus on Day 2.

- Scoop then claims Athena.
- Withdraws Scoop.
- Goes back to voting Chaos.
- Says that if Scoop survives the night, he'll be the first one on Scoop in the morning. Later, reiterates that.

tru1cy was very active Day 1 and continued that through most of the game. I'm glad for that, whether he turns up good or evil.

Day 2:

- He comes in the day waiting to hear from Scoop.
- Then, once Scoop shows up and claims Remus to be human, tru1cy says "The more I think about it, the more I want to trust Scoop." This is based, apparently on Scoop still being uncontested.
- Then, says he is not voting Scoop (in direct counter to his Day 1 conclusions) and votes Unagi.
- Calls for a real Athena to come forward.
- Vorret gets 5 votes quickly. tru1cy casts vote #6 (N-2).
- Vorret claims Starbuck.
- Removes vote on Vorret (Interestingly, he was the first to remove his vote from Vorret and the first to remove his vote from Scoop after each of their claims... although there had been a page worth of discussion of Scoop before tru1cy removed his vote on Scoop).
- Comes back with a vote on Vorret, calling BS, that we can't be that unlucky two days in a row.
- Closely after that, removes vote on Vorret and votes on Unagi for leading charge against two claimed specials in a row.
- He is gone until the LMCain event is revealed. His first question after that, though, is "LM, why?" Which strikes me as a little odd, since his vote was on Unagi at the time. It seems his response should have been more along the lines of, "Oh, man. I thought Unagi was evil, too."
- Votes Scoop, after LM reveals pr0ner as Athena.

Day 3:

- Starts day saying he wanted to vote Remus, but Vorret isn't looking good after LM's death, but doesn't vote Vorret.
- bb puts Vorret at N-1 early morning (real time).
- tru1cy asks Vorret if he has any last words at N-1, but doesn't vote.
- Vorret blows up, taking Holman with him.
- Reverses postion on Remus, saying his gut is telling him Remus is being framed. Votes theohall (with no reason provided for the vote).
- Soon after, removes vote on theohall, saying theo looked good with Scoop and Vorret.
- Says Galen should come forward and needs to think about vote.

- Then, another interesting event. tru1cy posts, "I can officially go on record that I'm not Galen." This strikes me as strange (and I comment on it at the time). Why would a good player say this? With a very small scan pool left and a good chance that D'anna was still alive, why would a good player want to help the wolves reduce that scan pool? The only reason I could think of was iocane, but tru1cy denied that it was iocane. It sounded more like a wolf wanting to remove himself from a Galen hunt, than a good player comment.

- Names redrun, theo, purge, bb as his main Day 3 suspects.
- Seems to agree with Remus' "find" on an evil/Galen redrun.
- Votes Mr Bubbles, then RMC, presumably to get them talking.
- Votes theohall.
- theo claims Anders.
- Withdraws vote on theo, but says he still doesn't trust theo or bb.
- Notes that he agrees that redrun might have caught theo revealing information about D'anna that Anders shouldn't have.
- purge gets to N-1. tru1cy says he will not put purge over to (rightly) give purge time to speak.
- purge counters with an Anders claim.
- Doesn't like theo's "clues" and votes erroneously on theo. ***See my next post for my comments on theo's clues***



Day 4:

- Starts Day 4 angry, self votes (ugh!), then apologizes. (We all have our bad days, of course, so nice of him to apologize).
- Says he has nothing to go on and that minds have been made up already.
- Doesn't seem incllned to participate further.

[Mr Bubbles]

Whew.. just got back from an unexpected and last minute trip. Catching up now.

[Mr Bubbles]

I do have to say I am more interested in tru1cy now. His little outburst really caused me to get suspicious.

[Remus West]

votes erroneously on theo.

Are you certain about that?

[Qantaga]

A comment on theo's Anders' clues (a bit of a rant).

tru1cy did comment on theo's clues/hints about being Anders.

This bugs me as well.

tru1cy's comments were along the lines that theo's clues didn't make any sense. My problem is more with the fact that I don't understand good specials leaving hints.

Why in the world would Anders ever even remotely hint at his identity? If there are hints, then the evil side could figure out those hints, too, and Anders would never be scanned by D'anna. I would imagine Anders would be trying as hard as possible to NOT leave any hints that he is Anders.

As a matter of fact, I've never understood the OO propensity for hints. I would think it would be counter-productive for any good special to ever leave hints to their identity. The reason is usually cited as proof to point back at if they are close to lynch, but wolves can also drop false hints. So, hints are confusing for good, but could expose a real special to wolves who have no confusion about their own team.

So, it would seem that dropping hints would be the tools of cunning evil or unwise good.

[Qantaga]

votes erroneously on theo.

Are you certain about that?

Ah, no I'm not certain about that.

He had already been on theo.

However, his strange, "Umm, you got it wrong..." accuse/open accuse tag didn't seem like an accurate posting of a vote, especially given that it followed your deliberately erroneous vote for purge just before it. I missed that he was already on theo and it would have only been a duplicate if he had made a clean accuse. It even threw me off at the time, as you can see from my next post where I say that I'm surprised two vets would make a mistake like that. And, of course, it turns out that neither was a mistake.

So, no. He had a valid vote on theo that whole time. My apologies.

[Qantaga]

I still want to go back and look at Remus' history, but it will be awhile.

[Remus West]

I still want to go back and look at Remus' history, but it will be awhile.

If you can find Ever to talk to her she would be the start and I'd love to get back in touch with her so tell her to look me up on facebook. Or did you mean game history?

[Qantaga]

I still want to go back and look at Remus' history, but it will be awhile.

If you can find Ever to talk to her she would be the start and I'd love to get back in touch with her so tell her to look me up on facebook. Or did you mean game history?

Dude, I'm not brave enough to try to tackle your real life history. I'm afraid it would be like trying to track down Hunter Thompson or J.D. Salinger.

Although, I wih you luck with Ever. She sounds like a nice memory and hopefully a future re-acquaintance for you.

[Remus West]

I still want to go back and look at Remus' history, but it will be awhile.

If you can find Ever to talk to her she would be the start and I'd love to get back in touch with her so tell her to look me up on facebook. Or did you mean game history?

Dude, I'm not brave enough to try to tackle your real life history. I'm afraid it would be like trying to track down Hunter Thompson or J.D. Salinger.

Although, I wih you luck with Ever. She sounds like a nice memory and hopefully a future re-acquaintance for you.

Heh. She was my first really serious girlfriend back in the day. Haven't seen nor heard anything regarding her in close to 25 years now. I doubt we'd have a lot in common any longer (who knows though). Still, be nice to see how she is doing. Been feeling nostalgic lately.

[Mr Bubbles]

As a matter of fact, I've never understood the OO propensity for hints. I would think it would be counter-productive for any good special to ever leave hints to their identity. The reason is usually cited as proof to point back at if they are close to lynch, but wolves can also drop false hints. So, hints are confusing for good, but could expose a real special to wolves who have no confusion about their own team.

I agree with you. You could drop hints, but we still have no confirmation. An evil can setup a series of hints to spoof a role. ultimately, I go based off of their play and interpretation of the rules.

[tru1cy]

Seriously, I have nothing. I don't think Galen was converted .. I think Qantaga is Galen but again I could be wrong.

How does this jibe with saying you were likely to vote bb2112 or theohall?
I was inclined to believe you at the start of the day but a lot of what you have been saying just does not make sense.

If I think Qantaga is unconverted Galen why would I vote for him? bb2112 almost said the exact same thing about redrun when he turned up dead, so why didn't this jibe with you?


Qantaga - Its not that I'm not inclined to participate, but currently I can't. I pop my head to stay active, but I don't have the time to do what you just did.

Awesome summation by the way

[Qantaga]

Remus:

I won't be able to summarize every post of Remus', like I have with some others, due to the volume involved. I wil be more selective, so feel free to review Remus in more detail.

Day 1:

- Early vote on Vorret, citing last game's scanning.
- A little later a vote on tru1cy for "cluttering up the thread with his inane chatter." (A nod to tru1cy's increased participation).
- States early suspicion on theohall.
- Page 8, he joins Unagi and redrun as vote #3 on Scoop, while saying Unagi and LM are probably making too much of it, but he's willing to see what it turns up. (LM/Unagi/purge/Newcastle comprise his early threat list, apparently along with Scoop, who has his vote).
- Lots of back and forth with Unagi about being of similar minds/posts.
- Doesn't believe Holman to be Galen.
- Takes Scoop Notes to task, item by item.

- We still have to deal with the fact that Scoop named Holman, Unagi, Remus, purge, Newcastle, and theohall as his threat list, well before he claimed Athena. Hopefully, purge was evil, but Remus and theo's presence on that list is noteworthy, also.

- As the day grows longer, says he prefers to keep his vote on Scoop, but will move to Chaos, should the need arisse.
- He stays on Scoop, all the way to Scoop's claim of Athena, even when there were opportunities for him to move away from Scoop before then (to Chaos or elsewhere).
- Keeps vote on Scoop after Scoop's claim.
- A little later, removes vote on Scoop and hints at his plan to prove Scoop on Day 2.
- Becomes 4th vote on Chaos, as Chaos' lynch moves toward fruition.

- An interesting aside is that, near day's end, Remus posts that he thinks Scoop is evil and so is Newcastle. Remember, Scoop named Newcastle as being Scoop's first scan target and Scoop claimed Newcastle Human. So, Remus does think Scoop is capable of naming a fellow wolf as Human. (Of course, Newcastle was good and him not arguing with Scoop calling him Human is why we now mostly believe that Newcastle was Starbuck). So, would Scoop name two innocents as Human, or one innocent and one wolf?

Day 2:

- Starts with Remus' plan to prove Scoop. Fireworks ensue as theo ignores the hypothetical aspect of the word "if" in a post Remus makes in response to a post from LM.
- Scoop names Remus Human as his "Athena" scan of Night 1.

- Scoop naming Remus Human is the key mystery of Remus' alignment. Would Scoop, who we now know was evil, name Remus as Human truly or would he name a partner as Human (which dovetails with LM's "Boomer power on Holman" theory below)? As an added bonus consideration, would Vorret, who we now know was evil, accuse a Human Remus or accuse a partner, at the start of Day 3 when Vorret realized his fate was the lynching post?

- Remus replies that he is indeed Human and outlines his (quite far-fetched) plan of proving Galen is good and Athena is still alive.
- Soon after, votes for Unagi, based on Unagi's challenging Scoop to scan him before Night 1 (a possible Galen flag).
- Withdraws Unagi not much later.
- Questions why Unagi follows Scoop's vote on Vorret with a vote on Vorret, too.
- Very shortly, though, he joins in on the Vorret vote, as accuser #3.
- RMC and redrun join the Vorret vote in the next two posts, bringing Vorret to 5.
- Remus seems convinced that LM is Doral.
- Vorret claims Starbuck.
- Remus withdraws Vorret and votes Unagi.
- He and theo are still going back and forth about Remus "if" post.
- Says he trusts Vorret's claim of Starbuck less than Scoop's claim of Athena.
- Stays on Unagi and has several exchanges with Unagi about his reasoning for that.
- LMCain executes Unagi and reveals pr0ner as Athena.

- In the midst of the LMCain events, LM makes an interesting assertion. He claims that not only does he know that pr0ner was Athena, thus meaning Scoop is evil, he also "bets" that Remus is also evil. He goes on to say that he believes the reason that Boomer's ability was used on Holman was to provide cover so that the wolves could kill Holman and leave Scoop and Remus alive into Day 3. It's a very intriguing theory, but LM would not confirm if this was knowledge or a guess. It seems likely to be a guess, otherwise Cain would have already exercised three powers and, theoretically, still had more to use, given LM's silence on the matter. Still, it's something worth considering. It would have been nice to know if LM had any definite knowledge.

- Remus votes Scoop.

Day 3:

- Vorret, on his way to the gallows, accuses Remus.
- Remus votes Vorret.
- Vorret blows up, taking Hollman with him.
- Remus votes on bb, reasoning that bb waited on voting for Vorret to allow Vorret to blow up.
- Later withdraws vote on bb, questions those calling for an unconverted Galen to come forward, and names purge and I as his current likely wolves.
- Remus is out of town at this point of the game. Some time passes, then he comes back with his find on the oddity of redrun's vote and opinion of Holman, in the midst of night turn order clarification, on Day 1.
- purge immediately follows that post by voting redrun citing, a bit confusedly, that he thought Remus had found redrunGalen.
- Remus notes that it is highly likely that there is at least one wolf in {purge, theo, Remus} based on Scoop's early Day 1 threat list.
- Moves tru1cy to the top of his suspect list.
- At this point, Remus has expressed that he thinks everyone except RMC and Mr Bubbles are evil at some point during Day 3.
- As the day nears its close, he lists purge and bb as his top 2.
- Becomes suspicious of Mr Bubbles in light of a non-sensical post by Mr Bubbles claiming that Eviltheo would not risk spoofing Anders if he thought RMC might be Anders. (Brings Remus' suspicion list to everyone except RMC on Day 3).
- Head fakes with erroneous accuse tags on purge the night before the deadline.
- Comes back before deadline and kills purge.

Day 4:

- Starts Day 4 questioning tru1cy's early post.
- Puts theo into "trusted" category.
- Questions a bb post on tru1cy helping.
- Questions how theo could be so certain that D'anna is already dead.
- Says he had put tru1cy into the good side of his suspect list, but later indicates he is changing his mind based on tru1cy's posts today.

[Qantaga]

On the surface, Remus seems to be good. He was one of the primary forces of the attention on both Scoop and Vorret, when he had opportunities to diffuse those particular events.

Yet, it is Remus.

I've seen him run a scorched earth campaign against his partners when he was evil in the past.

So, I'm leaning good on Remus, but I'm still considering.

[Remus West]

I've seen him run a scorched earth campaign against his partners when he was evil in the past.

I would add though that I told everyone when I mentioned a method of proving Scoop that it was a very long shot. I also mentioned it involved my death.

[bb2112]

Here is the dilemma for me. I agree about Remus. He insisted we stick with Scoop when I tried to push pretty hard to switch. He was right, I was wrong. He also pushed for Vorret and put the last vote on Purge. Now putting the last vote on Purge could be an evil play (if Purge was evil) but the preponderance of evidence makes me think Remus is good.

Q, has been extremely helpful. Could be a bad guy making it look very helpful, but he is doing a very good job if that is the case. Overall, I think he leaning good.

Theo, I go back to, we made a game decision with him vs Purge. If we are wrong, we are most likely screwed. Since one of the 4 scenarios has not come to pass, the game over one, then I would lean good. Not totally out of the woods, but more likely good than not.

Tru1cy, as I said before, I think he is a special. We have found all the special goods (either Purge or Theo is Anders, so using the Soduku principle, we have found our last good. And I don't count Galen.). He has also flat out admitted he is not Galen. This leads me to believe he is evil. I could be wrong, this is my flat out guess.

RMC. I said from the start I didn't like RMC's play. Come to find out it is health related. Don't really know what to do with him, so I have been putting him on ignore hoping he is going to eventually recover and rejoin the game. With each passing day it seems less likely, and now I would just like a post from him letting us know how he is doing.

Mr. Bubbles. He doesn't call, he doesn't write. Who the hell knows. I hate getting into end game situations with silents.

Based on this, my only real vote is Tru1cy.

[Remus West]

You could vote for that dastardly bb2112 guy. He seems pretty shady.

[Mr Bubbles]

On the surface, Remus seems to be good. He was one of the primary forces of the attention on both Scoop and Vorret, when he had opportunities to diffuse those particular events.

Yet, it is Remus.

I've seen him run a scorched earth campaign against his partners when he was evil in the past.

So, I'm leaning good on Remus, but I'm still considering.

I could go either way on him. WHen I was doing my read through to catch up I got mixed message. For several pages I kept thinking he must be evil, but then there were some contradictions on his vote history that caused him to lean good for me. I'm still up in the area with him.

[Qantaga]

So, for me, it comes down to tru1y or bb.

I've mentioned previously why I am excluding theo, RMC, and Mr Bubbles from my vote consideration today.

With Remus trending good, that leaves just tru1cy and bb. (If Remus is evil again this game, I'll henceforth evaluate him under the "whatever I believe him to be, he is the exact opposite" matrix).

The key moment of the game for me begins here:

- Chaos, Scoop, and Holman all have 4 votes. The deadline is less than 24 hours away.
- bb, who had been on Chaos, moves his vote to Scoop, putting Scoop at 5 (N-4).
- LM follows soon after to put Scoop at 6.
- 49 minutes after bb's vote, Scoop posts "What's my vote count. Am I at N-1?"
- Newcastle tells Scoop that he is at N-3.
- Scoop says "please don't kill me until I've had my say."
- 3 minutes later, tru1cy puts Scoop at N-2.
- An hour after that, Scoop claims Athena.

At first glance, it would seem that bb is not Scoop's partner, otherwise he could have left his vote on Chaos or even moved his vote to Holman. Instead, his vote looks to be the one that provided the traction to make Scoop claim Athena.

At first glance, tru1cy's vote on Scoop looks more like a teammate getting a vote on the record before the inevitable claim of Athena.

Still, Scoop had been garnering a lot of attention on Day 1 and it was unlikely that Unagi, redrun, and Remus were ever going to let go of their pursuit of Scoop. bb has played his own "scorched earth" game to success, as well, so I have to evaluate if that was a deliberate gambit by Evilbb for just this very moment late in the game.

I'm leaning tru1cy, but I'm going to think it through and look by at my bb and tru1cy summaries before making a decision.

I'm off for a drive to the southern tip of Lassr's state. I'll be back tonight.

[Remus West]

Day 1 musings:

- Newcastle - fixated on the "why pr0ner" question. While his reasons are all valid, their value in identifying a wolf is minimal, at best. I wonder why it's so important to him.

- Chaosraven - (as also noted by tru1cy), the entirety of Chaos' contribution has been donning a blatant evil persona. The last time I saw this, albeit more forecefully, was Grund and Grund was indeed evil while taking this tack.

- Remus - While I appreciate the irony of his "I'm tired of tru1cy cluttering the thread with inane chatter" vote, it strikes me as strange that Remus' vote is still there, with no other reasoning to support it.

- bb2112 - Casts a vote on Vorret because he says the killing of pr0ner looks like a newbie move. That logic assumes that, in a group of 4 wolves, the newbie is the one making the decisions. It seems to me to be a manufactured reason. While it is the same reasoning tru1cy used after bb's own death last game to accuse Holman and that game turned out with tru1cy good and Holman evil (even a blind squirrel and all that), it wasn't a Holman newbie move that led to bb's death in that game, it was a veteran move by Remus because of the way bb finished theo's lynch.

- Unagi - Comes out of the gate with a decisive Scoop vote.

- Holman - Night kill sequence error... "I'm not a bad cylon" post... Edited post. Lots of thunder. Careless? Calculating? Much to ponder.

- redrun and LM - I agree with them that Doral will want to stay alive as long as possible. The longer he lives, the more the wolves' odds increase. His explosion is an added bonus that can be devastating in the late game. I highly doubt Doral is trying to draw attention today.

- The field - I'm still contemplating the remaining players.

From page 6, day 1. Every player on this list has been proven good (through death or otherwise) save for bb2112 and myself.

Presuming Qantaga innocent, what are the chances a good player makes a list of 8 of the initial 16 (live) players (over half once he himself is removed from consideration) that contains no Evil Cylons (or Galen)? That would mean there were all 4 of the beginning Evils and Galen were in the final 7 players - leaving only two players not listed as good.

Presuming Qantaga guilty, what are the chances a Cylon makes a list that large without including a single other Cylon on the list?

The unlisted 8
3. Scoop20906 - dead Cylon assumed to be Boomer
4. Qantaga - poster
6. Vorret - dead Cylon - Doral
7. theohall - Cylon - claims Anders
9. tru1cy - claims "Not Galen"
11. purge - dead Cylon - claimed (counter) Anders

13. RMC - MIA
17. Mr. Bubbles - MIA most of game

Personally, I think bb2112 must be a Cylon.

I intend to vote bb2112 today.

Link to post if you want to read it in context.

[Remus West]

Thanks, Lassr. I totally missed it


Anyway,  Holman 
 
If anyone thinks allowing the Cylons the chane of gaining Galen and the gun is a good idea I seriously doubt your commitment to the crew.

This is exactly what I was trying to say before. Finally we are talking about it.

I don't think Scoop grabs a teammate's post to reinforce his efforts here. There was a little push by the bad guys to get Holman lynched. vorret had voted Holman directly before the post of tru1cy's that Scoop quotes.

Page 8. Original tru1cy quote is above

[Mr Bubbles]

Personally, I think bb2112 must be a Cylon.

I intend to vote bb2112 today.

See every time I want to think you are evil, I agree with your final assessment. bb stuck out as a distraction during my reread. I can definitely go bb. tru1cy while acting funny during this last part, doesn't strike me as evil as bb does.

[theohall]

In reference to RW's post on Q, what if we presume Q is a evil cylon? Then it would be easy to make that kind of list.

I could switch to Q or bb.

[bb2112]

By all means, if you guys want to lose, vote for me today.

I am not evil, but really, what else would I say. So that is nothing to go on.

A couple of points in my defense, I have been on every vote of a bad guy (assuming Purge was bad). I was also the tie breaking vote on Scoop that started the momentum on him. I could have stayed quiet or tried to get more froth going on Holman. I also think I did a good job with clarifying the issue about Holman not being Galen.

I get the scorched earth play, but it seems really unnecessary to implement day one. Which is why I'm also giving Remus a pass. Both of us have been on all the votes.

I gave you my run down of players, so I really don't have anything new. I still think its Tru1cy.

[bb2112]

Personally, I think bb2112 must be a Cylon.

I intend to vote bb2112 today.

See every time I want to think you are evil, I agree with your final assessment. bb stuck out as a distraction during my reread. I can definitely go bb. tru1cy while acting funny during this last part, doesn't strike me as evil as bb does.

Yeah, my constant voting for bad guys is a real distraction.

[Remus West]

In reference to RW's post on Q, what if we presume Q is a evil cylon? Then it would be easy to make that kind of list.

I could switch to Q or bb.

I listed a scenario of both ideas, Q as good and Q as evil.

Presuming Qantaga innocent, what are the chances a good player makes a list of 8 of the initial 16 (live) players (over half once he himself is removed from consideration) that contains no Evil Cylons (or Galen)? That would mean there were all 4 of the beginning Evils and Galen were in the final 7 players - leaving only two players not listed as good.

Presuming Qantaga guilty, what are the chances a Cylon makes a list that large without including a single other Cylon on the list?

[bb2112]

(If Remus is evil again this game, I'll henceforth evaluate him under the "whatever I believe him to be, he is the exact opposite" matrix).

I believe this is what you were looking for.

Costanza Principle

[tru1cy]

Here..  bb2112 
 
I won't vote for RMC (dude check in, please), Remus or Qantaga. So that leaves Theohall (he's getting the benefit of the doubt from others), bb2112 and bubbles.


So, that's where my vote stay for the moment

[Qantaga]

(If Remus is evil again this game, I'll henceforth evaluate him under the "whatever I believe him to be, he is the exact opposite" matrix).

I believe this is what you were looking for.

Costanza Principle

That's it exactly.

[Qantaga]

If wolf #4 would kindly raise your hand, it would make things so much easier.

tru1cy has 2 votes
bb has 1 vote

I'm leaning tru1cy, but still considering bb
Remus and Mr Bubbles have expressed that they are leaning bb

I didn't get a chance to review bb and tru1cy last night. I plan to do so this afternoon and place a vote by tonight.

[RMC]

Sorry guys, I have had a rough time after my hospital stay and then some work issues.

But I am back, might not offer any great insight into who is a wolf or not, but I will try to read everything and then put a vote in rather than be the annoying guy that starts a game and then walks away from it.

I promise to devote time to the game today and put in a vote and try to be intelligent about it.

[Qantaga]

RMC !!!

I'm very glad that you're okay. I was freaking out, getting very worried about you.

Welcome back.

[Remus West]

RMC !!!

I'm very glad that you're okay. I was freaking out, getting very worried about you.

Welcome back.

+1

Glad you're back.

[RMC]

PS - How the hell is Remus still alive... He is always good to be a wolf...