Lynching Liaisons - The End

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:40 pm

tru1cy wrote:sigh...

Senechal ..

Hate mass reveals

Confirmed.

theohall wrote:Preceptor

Also true.

tru1cy and theohall are the other two Cabalists. So scrap my list now please.

Qantaga wrote:
redrun wrote: I'm the mentalist.

tru1cy wrote:Senechal ..

theohall wrote:Preceptor

The specificity of these claims makes me sincerely hope that this was a pre-arranged, iocane-laced strategy.

It was not.

tbh, a major point of the list-play was to give the Seer room and information, without exposing him to the wolves. Now that the Seer is out (?) it has run its course.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:44 pm

So is BB our main suspect? I really think Scoop is my main, and then... well I don't really have a feeling on anyone else to tell the truth.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:55 pm

Day 2 Vote Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 10

Against Scoop (5) - RMC, pr0ner, El Guapo, bb2112, Vorret
Against El Guapo (4) - redrun, Lagom LIte, theohall, Grundbegriff
Against bb2112 (4) - LordMortis, Unagi, Lassr, Chaosraven
Against trig (1) - Scoop20906

No votes (5) - Remus West, Qantaga, purge, tru1cy, triggercut

There are 16 villagers + 3 wolves alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 20th at 9am Eastern time.

Votes for Seance

Spoiler:

Requires as least 10 Votes of which the Medium must be 1

Seance Newcastle (1) - Vorret

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:55 pm

RMC wrote:So is BB our main suspect? I really think Scoop is my main, and then... well I don't really have a feeling on anyone else to tell the truth.

if scoop is the zerker then we lose our seer today if we lynch him...if...

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:59 pm

RMC wrote:So is BB our main suspect?

What kind of a question is that? seriously.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:02 pm

Unagi wrote:
RMC wrote:So is BB our main suspect?
What kind of a question is that? seriously.

Yeah, that is a weird question, seeing as how there are three people in the crosshairs and no one's really the "main" one.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:27 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Unagi wrote:
RMC wrote:So is BB our main suspect?
What kind of a question is that? seriously.
Yeah, that is a weird question, seeing as how there are three people in the crosshairs and no one's really the "main" one.

Well we just had three people jump on him all at once. So is he our main suspect, was kind of an open ended question. And since people seem to think scoop is the 'zerker now, I was wondering where people wanted the vote moved too. <shrug>

Make of the question what you will I guess, but nothing insidious was meant by it.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:27 pm

stessier wrote:Day 2 Vote Count

Spoiler:
LordMortis acc bb2112 (1)
Unagi acc Grund (1)
LordMortis wd bb2112 (0)
LordMortis acc purge (1)
tru1cy acc Grund (2)
Unagi wd Grund (0)
Unagi acc purge (2)

Scoop acc trig (1)
Lassr acc Scoop (1)
pr0ner acc purge (3)
Lagom acc Remus (1)
Vorret acc Remus (2)
redrun acc trig (2)
theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
Grund acc trig (3)
tru1cy wd Grund (0)
LordMortis wd purge (2)
LordMortis acc Vorret (1)
pr0ner wd purge (1)
Vorret wd Remus West (1)
trig acc Scoop (2)

RMC acc Scoop (3)

pr0ner acc Scoop (4)
trig wd Scoop (3)
Lagom Lite wd Remus (0)
redrun wd trig (2)
Grund wd trig (1)
theohall wd Chaoraven (0)
theohall acc LordMortis (1)
Unagi wd purge (0)

El Gaupo acc Scoop (4)

redrun acc El Guapo (1)

Lagom Lite acc El Guapo (2)
theohall wd LordMortis (0)

theohall acc El Guapo (3)
Unagi acc El Guapo (4)

Grundbegriff acc El Guapo (5)

bb2112 acc LordMortis (1)

Vorret acc Scoop (5)
Lassr wd Scoop (4)
LordMortis wd Vorret (0)

LordMortis acc Scoop (5)
Unagi wd El Guapo (4)

Unagi acc bb2112 (1)
Lassr wd Scoop (4)

Lassr acc bb2112 (2)

Chaosraven acc bb2112 (3)
Votes required for lynch - 10

Against Scoop (5) - RMC, pr0ner, El Guapo, Vorret, LordMortis
Against El Guapo (4) - redrun, Lagom LIte, theohall, Grundbegriff
Against bb2112 (3) - Unagi, Lassr, Chaosraven
Against trig (1) - Scoop20906
Against LordMortis (1) - bb2112

No votes (5) - Remus West, Qantaga, purge, tru1cy, triggercut

There are 16 villagers + 3 wolves alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 20th at 9am Eastern time.

Votes for Seance
Spoiler:
Vorret for Newcastle (1)
El Guapo for Newcastle (2)
Unagi for Newcastle (3)
El Guapo wd Newcastle (2)
Unagi wd Newcastle (1)
Requires as least 10 Votes of which the Medium must be 1

Seance Newcastle (1) - Vorret

My withdraw vorret accuse should be bb2112, rather than scoop.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:50 pm

LordMortis wrote:My withdraw vorret accuse should be bb2112, rather than scoop.

Corrected, thanks!

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:53 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:God damn you people whine about my list. I asked you to play ball for ONE DAY, maybe two so the Seer and village wouldn't waste lynches and scans on good players. So far the plan has worked out ok except Remus felt the need to step forward already, I guess there is wisdom there I don't understand.

I'm not particularly opposed to having the rest of the Cabal step forward now (indeed with the Seer (?) already outed, why not?) rendering my list obsolete but that's thankfully not a choice I have to make.

Again, the only reason for the Cabal to stay hidden is for the chance Remus is actually a wolf and not the Seer. That is completely possible, because the wolves may well have decided that having all specials outed now is their only chance, so they can pick off known trusted one by one, sacrificing Remus for this play. I think the Hunter at least should stay quiet for today.

I rather liked your list. It netted us a wolf and I am pretty sure there is at least one other on there, but hell if I know which. I find it funny how people are ready to abandon it after one day. Not funny haha, but funny as in sad.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:08 pm

Lassr wrote:
Vorret wrote:To me Scoop is acting like good Scoop but I might be missing something
Scoop is acting odd.

I don't know if it is good odd or bad odd though. My gut is starting to think good but I haven't bothered to move my vote yet.

If it will get the game moving, then KILL ME NOW!!

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:16 am

Chaosraven wrote: bb2112

guess we are going to assume the Hunter was Newcastle or chooses to stay quiet... Cabal gets Newcastle info and a minimum of 2 alive to tell us tomorrow. If Newc the Hunter, wolves likely kill Remus and trig pulls the Medium trick (question: does Seer get results if He or His target get killed the same night?)

I still believe Newcastle was a simple villager drawing fire by hinting at roles he was not.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:03 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Vorret wrote:To me Scoop is acting like good Scoop but I might be missing something
Scoop is acting odd.

I don't know if it is good odd or bad odd though. My gut is starting to think good but I haven't bothered to move my vote yet.
If it will get the game moving, then KILL ME NOW!!

Since you're volunteering scoop

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:23 am

theohall wrote:
Chaosraven wrote: bb2112

guess we are going to assume the Hunter was Newcastle or chooses to stay quiet... Cabal gets Newcastle info and a minimum of 2 alive to tell us tomorrow. If Newc the Hunter, wolves likely kill Remus and trig pulls the Medium trick (question: does Seer get results if He or His target get killed the same night?)
I still believe Newcastle was a simple villager drawing fire by hinting at roles he was not.

Obviously possible.

He could be the Real: (Seer), (Medium)
He could be the MIA: (Hunter)

If he is simple Villager, per Cabal, then we have REMUS, TRIG, PURGE, and ME added to the CABAL/MENTAL team. Plus whatever Remus discovers (if protected or not targeted for death or mediumized).

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:22 am

bb2112 wrote:Ok, didn't realize I was the only one voting for LM. I do agree with Unagi about one thing, I would like to pick up the pace of the game a bit. Scoop

My vote is on Scoop not LM.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:37 am

Chaosraven wrote:
theohall wrote:
Chaosraven wrote: bb2112

guess we are going to assume the Hunter was Newcastle or chooses to stay quiet... Cabal gets Newcastle info and a minimum of 2 alive to tell us tomorrow. If Newc the Hunter, wolves likely kill Remus and trig pulls the Medium trick (question: does Seer get results if He or His target get killed the same night?)
I still believe Newcastle was a simple villager drawing fire by hinting at roles he was not.
Obviously possible.

He could be the Real: (Seer), (Medium)
He could be the MIA: (Hunter)

If he is simple Villager, per Cabal, then we have REMUS, TRIG, PURGE, and ME added to the CABAL/MENTAL team. Plus whatever Remus discovers (if protected or not targeted for death or mediumized).

I think Newcastle really has to be either the Hunter or a Villager (and probably the villager). Can't see him being the Medium - it's at least vaguely plausible that the wolves would trade Remus, but I can't see much substantial gain from exposing TriggerWolf.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:54 am

bb2112 wrote:
bb2112 wrote:Ok, didn't realize I was the only one voting for LM. I do agree with Unagi about one thing, I would like to pick up the pace of the game a bit. Scoop

My vote is on Scoop not LM.

Man, not one of my better counts. Corrected.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:58 am

Day 2 Vote Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 10

Against Scoop (6) - RMC, pr0ner, El Guapo, bb2112, Vorret,tru1cy
Against El Guapo (4) - redrun, Lagom LIte, theohall, Grundbegriff
Against bb2112 (4) - LordMortis, Unagi, Lassr, Chaosraven
Against trig (1) - Scoop20906

No votes (4) - Remus West, Qantaga, purge, triggercut

There are 16 villagers + 3 wolves alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 20th at 9am Eastern time.

Votes for Seance

Spoiler:

Requires as least 10 Votes of which the Medium must be 1

Seance Newcastle (1) - Vorret

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:23 am

We've still got like seven days but it will soon be time for

Against trig (1) - Scoop20906

No votes (4) - Remus West, Qantaga, purge, triggercut

to start making themselves present, IMO.

If I move off bb2112 it will probably be to Scoop and I won't be happy about it. Not because I see Scoop as particularly good but because he's been a bad guy in like the last four games I've played straight. I'm having a real hard time believe he's always bad. At the same time, if I don't get bb2112, I see me, vorret, and Scoop as the next choices for lynch. I obviously don't want me lynched and attention from vorret some how keeps getting diverted so I don't see him going today either. The irony being, of course, the more he slides away from attention the more evil looks to me.

While I don't see Guap as good either, I don't see me being part of the vote on him today. He's just comes in too distant on my suspects list to lynch this early in game.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:37 am

I'm following along. I'm intentionally trying to keep away from voting for now in order to avoid the "well the Seer voted here" excuse from others. I will vote before the day's end.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:48 am

Remus West wrote:I'm following along. I'm intentionally trying to keep away from voting for now in order to avoid the "well the Seer voted here" excuse from others. I will vote before the day's end.

Understood. And it excuses purge and trig to an extent as well but the time is approaching where the field has been narrowed and the "knowns" and unknowns alike have to make a decision, otherwise we won't come to consensus. (I'm actually surprised the Guapo pile on didn't happen for the reason you site, redrun, Lagom LIte, theohall, all having chosen him.) If the four brothers and the four revealed beyond brothers all held their votes and expected the remaining eleven to come to a majority of ten where one player isn't voting for themselves and three are wolves, then we're doomed.

I also don't give you or trig 100% of anything until tomorrow and would fear your influence as ultimate decision maker more now than if you had been on a vote earlier. But that's me and that's what we're quickly moving toward being stuck with.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:54 am

I'm curious if the ones now voting for scoop feel he is NOT the berserker wolf?
Because we do not want to lynch the zerker today.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:56 am

Lassr wrote:I'm curious if the ones now voting for scoop feel he is NOT the berserker wolf?
Because we do not want to lynch the zerker today.

What reason is there to believe that he is the zerker wolf?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:57 am

I can see the doubt on me as my role is not proveable. I do not get those who doubt triggercut though. He claimed a publically proveable role. He could easily have been tasked with seancing Newcastle. If he was a fake he would have failed and been shot (if he failed that would mean Newcastle was the Medium so the Hunter would have to be around). Why take that risk? Even if a wolf-triggercut makes it through the day, he will be tasked with proving himself by seancing me tomorrow or called out by the Cabal either way he gains nothing and ends up shot/lynched.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:11 pm

Remus West wrote:I can see the doubt on me as my role is not proveable. I do not get those who doubt triggercut though. He claimed a publically proveable role. He could easily have been tasked with seancing Newcastle. If he was a fake he would have failed and been shot (if he failed that would mean Newcastle was the Medium so the Hunter would have to be around). Why take that risk? Even if a wolf-triggercut makes it through the day, he will be tasked with proving himself by seancing me tomorrow or called out by the Cabal either way he gains nothing and ends up shot/lynched.

Doubt, not really. Accept as gospel, no. While he is provable and the best thing to do is to save his seance, there's a chance newcastle is the medium. Say newcastle is the medium and the hunter doesn't protect you tonight then trig wolf is worth the spoof. So that means the hunter protects you right? But then what if newcastle is the seer. You get protected and trig gets killed. It's could be a hail mary that could prove effective by the wolves, sacrificing one of their own to make sure there is less certainty in the game. We'll know one way or another tomorrow but in the meantime, no I don't accept you or trig as gospel.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 pm

LordMortis wrote:We've still got like seven days but it will soon be time for

Against trig (1) - Scoop20906

No votes (4) - Remus West, Qantaga, purge, triggercut
to start making themselves present, IMO.

Yes, you are correct. As a matter of fact, I plan on doing this tonight:

redrun wrote:
I would love to see folks threat lists - for the above names only.

I need to do a read-through, now that the Cabal has come forward. I imagine that there are some interesting nuggets to uncover, since we now have knowledge of (proven and likely) alignments.

Purely by intuition during the flow of the game, I'm currently thinking:

Wolfish: Grund, RMC, bb

Mysterious-ish: Lassr, Vorret, El Guapo

Village-ish: Unagi, pr0ner, LordMortis

Wild Card-ish: Scoop (I'm not sure how to read his "disinterest")

Before I pursue any of these, though, I want to read the thread again. I'll put up a vote at that time.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:46 pm

I'm not a zerker. Please feel safe in that knowledge that I won't kill anyone when I go. I'm a simple miss.

Maybe this will help the vote along.

withdrawal triggercut[\accuse]

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:57 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Lassr wrote:I'm curious if the ones now voting for scoop feel he is NOT the berserker wolf?
Because we do not want to lynch the zerker today.
What reason is there to believe that he is the zerker wolf?

his odd behavior, his belief that trig is probably faking his very provable role and keeping his currently wasted vote there. Then begging to be killed. The wolves need help right now, instead of playing tag with the hunter each night (if it wasn't Newcastle) then they could have the zerker lynched and take out the seer before night fall saving them the headache.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:47 pm

I see scoop is begging to be killed, yes. I also see he's finally removed his vote from Triggercut. Not sure what to make of that yet.

I'm starting to think there's a wolf amongst someone attracting zero attention. But who?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:50 pm

pr0ner wrote:I see scoop is begging to be killed, yes. I also see he's finally removed his vote from Triggercut. Not sure what to make of that yet.

I'm starting to think there's a wolf amongst someone attracting zero attention. But who?

Grundbegriff maybe

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:53 pm

Lassr wrote:
pr0ner wrote:I see scoop is begging to be killed, yes. I also see he's finally removed his vote from Triggercut. Not sure what to make of that yet.

I'm starting to think there's a wolf amongst someone attracting zero attention. But who?
Grundbegriff maybe

All the attention on him during Day 1 has melted away now that he is more "active".

Interestingly, the only people who haven't voted yet are all assumed to be good. The remaining wolves have all placed a vote.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:04 pm

pr0ner wrote:Interestingly, the only people who haven't voted yet are all assumed to be good. The remaining wolves have all placed a vote.

well then let's look at that for a moment

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:20 pm

withdrawal triggercut

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:27 pm

pr0ner wrote:I see scoop is begging to be killed, yes. I also see he's finally removed his vote from Triggercut. Not sure what to make of that yet.

I'm starting to think there's a wolf amongst someone attracting zero attention. But who?

Does it matter what I say?

If you guys are worried I am the zerker, don't kill me. If you aren't and don't mind a miss, then kill me. If you think I am a wolf and this is my incredibly clever scheme to keep myself alive then kill me. If you think I'm just a villager then don't kill me.

Beyond that, I've got nothing to add. Lassr was right, I'm not actively searching for a wolf. Before the outings I had some suspicions but currently things are a bit muddled and my first choice has a provable role. Like I said, my gut still tells me its a lie. No, it is not logical. I'm willing to die for thinking illogically.

Beyond that I'd prefer we just get on with this day.

But here....

grundbegriff

There, now you can kill me for making that vote.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:28 pm

I could also vote Lassr but I don't feel like explaining why. Just his overall demeanor.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:30 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: withdrawal triggercut

A habit you've been told to curb:
"Withdrawal" simply ain't a verb!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:37 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I could also vote Lassr but I don't feel like explaining why. Just his overall demeanor.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:06 pm

Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I could also vote Lassr but I don't feel like explaining why. Just his overall demeanor.

Then Hit me, if you can.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:19 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I could also vote Lassr but I don't feel like explaining why. Just his overall demeanor.

Then Hit me, if you can.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:30 pm

Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I could also vote Lassr but I don't feel like explaining why. Just his overall demeanor.

Then Hit me, if you can.