Lynching Liaisons - The End

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:32 pm

He didn't expect bb to talk - he expected him to die!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:34 pm

Well.
That sucks.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:34 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Remus West wrote:Lets pray he is not the Berserker.
bb2112

Or the hunter, I guess.

While that would suck it would be less damaging than the Berserker killing me.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:36 pm

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:39 pm

Unagi wrote:What the hell????
Remus, why on earth didn't you wait for him to talk??

Well, having now read the rest of the way through to find he was a villager, I have to say it sucks but other than claiming Hunter there wasn't anything he could have said to stay my vote.

Anyway, I agree with LordMortis regarding who to protect tonight. If I die tonight triggercut can use his seance to get my scan result and since he claimed a role that can be openly verified if he fails to be able to seance me (or the Cabal announce that Newcastle was the Medium) then it is as good as having gotten a wolf with the scan anyway.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:42 pm

Remus West wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Remus West wrote:Lets pray he is not the Berserker.
bb2112

Or the hunter, I guess.
While that would suck it would be less damaging than the Berserker killing me.

I don't concur. The berzerker killing you would mean one less wolf. Are you as the seer going to bring us more than that tomorrow with a scan tonight? A living hunter buys the end game an extra kill. No matter. We'll know about you come morning, one way or another.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:47 pm

My Gut reaction.. a bunch of wolves just saved Scoops hide.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:49 pm

Oh and I am advocating to scan bb2112

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:13 pm

tru1cy wrote:My Gut reaction.. a bunch of wolves just saved Scoops hide.

lynch em' all!

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:14 pm

I was about to accuse someone then realized it's night

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:14 pm

tru1cy wrote:Oh and I am advocating to scan bb2112

You mean have the cabal scan bb2112 instead of Newcastle?

By contrast, I would advocate that the Cabal not suddenly go crazy.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:24 pm

tru1cy wrote:Oh and I am advocating to scan bb2112

Newcastle needs to be scanned. Wolves don't know what BB was either. They know what Newcastle was though and we do not.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:28 pm

Remus West wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Remus West wrote:Lets pray he is not the Berserker.
bb2112

Or the hunter, I guess.
While that would suck it would be less damaging than the Berserker killing me.

well if he was the berserker he could have killed you nonetheless. I'm not following this?

Beserker - responsible for turning in Night Kill before deadline if Alpha & Beta are dead. If lynched, can choose one player to kill before being lynched.

Stessiers write up would not have happened until the zerker turned in his kill order.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:34 pm

Not sure what you are having trouble following, Lassr. LordMortis commented on my vote post where I said I was hoping he was not the Berserker - since I did not want to die without one more scan.

tru1cy, I hope you guys choose one of the dead and go from there. Use the information you gain to the village's advantage. Do not tell who you are intending to scan nor who you did scan until you are ready.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:38 pm

Remus West wrote:Not sure what you are having trouble following, Lassr. LordMortis commented on my vote post where I said I was hoping he was not the Berserker - since I did not want to die without one more scan.

tru1cy, I hope you guys choose one of the dead and go from there. Use the information you gain to the village's advantage. Do not tell who you are intending to scan nor who you did scan until you are ready.

In response to complaints that you should've held off on the kill vote until bb spoke, in case he was the hunter, you said that killing the hunter would be less damaging than the Berserker killing you. Lassr read that (reasonably) as arguing that it was better to kill bb now in order to avoid the Berserker killing you. Lassr was thus pointing out that the Berserker could still kill you even though you cast the early kill vote (i.e. before bb could respond or do something).

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:40 pm

Remus West wrote:
tru1cy, I hope you guys choose one of the dead and go from there. Use the information you gain to the village's advantage. Do not tell who you are intending to scan nor who you did scan until you are ready.

I also hope that the Cabal choose one of the dead, as if they choose one of the living their power would fail. And yeah, don't tell everyone that you are intending to scan Newcastle even though of course you're going to scan Newcastle because scanning bb would be first rate lunacy. But just don't tell anyone.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:59 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:Not sure what you are having trouble following, Lassr. LordMortis commented on my vote post where I said I was hoping he was not the Berserker - since I did not want to die without one more scan.

tru1cy, I hope you guys choose one of the dead and go from there. Use the information you gain to the village's advantage. Do not tell who you are intending to scan nor who you did scan until you are ready.
In response to complaints that you should've held off on the kill vote until bb spoke, in case he was the hunter, you said that killing the hunter would be less damaging than the Berserker killing you. Lassr read that (reasonably) as arguing that it was better to kill bb now in order to avoid the Berserker killing you. Lassr was thus pointing out that the Berserker could still kill you even though you cast the early kill vote (i.e. before bb could respond or do something).

You make no sense. Or I am insane since there is nothing that leads me to think that a reasonable reading. I said it would suck if bb2112 were the Hunter but that it would suck more if he were the Berserker. Where do you go from there to killing him now? Timing of his death had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:01 pm

Remus West wrote:Not sure what you are having trouble following, Lassr. LordMortis commented on my vote post where I said I was hoping he was not the Berserker - since I did not want to die without one more scan.
.

Ah, I read it as if you were saying you voted to kill him before he could talk in case he was the zerker....

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:03 pm

Remus West wrote:I am insane

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:03 pm

Remus West wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:Not sure what you are having trouble following, Lassr. LordMortis commented on my vote post where I said I was hoping he was not the Berserker - since I did not want to die without one more scan.

tru1cy, I hope you guys choose one of the dead and go from there. Use the information you gain to the village's advantage. Do not tell who you are intending to scan nor who you did scan until you are ready.
In response to complaints that you should've held off on the kill vote until bb spoke, in case he was the hunter, you said that killing the hunter would be less damaging than the Berserker killing you. Lassr read that (reasonably) as arguing that it was better to kill bb now in order to avoid the Berserker killing you. Lassr was thus pointing out that the Berserker could still kill you even though you cast the early kill vote (i.e. before bb could respond or do something).
You make no sense. Or I am insane since there is nothing that leads me to think that a reasonable reading. I said it would suck if bb2112 were the Hunter but that it would suck more if he were the Berserker. Where do you go from there to killing him now? Timing of his death had absolutely nothing to do with it.

I get that. But the exchanges roughly go like this:

(1) People complain that you cast the kill vote although bb could've been the hunter
(2) You post "yeah it would suck if he were the hunter but killing the hunter is less damaging than the Berserker killing me"

Makes it sound a bit like you made the kill accepting the risk of killing the hunter because that risk is less damaging than the risk of the Berserker killing you. I get that's not what you were saying, but that's what pr0ner thought you were saying.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:05 pm

Remus West wrote: I said it would suck if bb2112 were the Hunter but that it would suck more if he were the Berserker.

I agree with this but everyone was asking why you didn't let him talk and I saw your response and wonder what the hell it meant compared to that situation.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:06 pm

El Guapo wrote:...... but that's what pr0ner thought you were saying.

What..you ..gah! &^5$#@(!&

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:26 pm

If the Wolves would please eat Chaosraven, as I will leave for a 4day trip tuesday morning, that would avoid any potential Hunter Protect/Wolf Kill conflicting orders resulting in a miss.

That way, if neither bb2112 and Newcastle were the Hunter, we still have a shot and lots of Potential Blockage among our Medium Mentalist, Seer and Cabal for later.

Also, if the Hunter is alive and among our Questionable Alignment lists, he can stay hidden and unkilled.

Right here, Wolvies, niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice juicy Chaosraven, that's right, no eating important people...

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:30 pm

Lassr wrote:
Remus West wrote: I said it would suck if bb2112 were the Hunter but that it would suck more if he were the Berserker.
I agree with this but everyone was asking why you didn't let him talk and I saw your response and wonder what the hell it meant compared to that situation.

Ah. It meant I had not considered that he might be the Hunter so when LM brought it up it occurred to me that "that would suck" but that it would be worse if he were the Berserker because then I'd be dead right now.

Although, to be completely candid, LM's later comment makes a tone of sense to me that hitting the berserker would have meant one less wolf I think it a sketchy comment because we don't really need to find the wolves right now. We need to eliminate where they can hide then take a scorched earth policy to the rest of the area. My scan can expand our knowns while whittling down the shadows. The hunter can only whittle down the shadows. I stand by it being better that he was villager than berserker for that reason.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:41 pm

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:03 pm

bb2112 wrote:

Post 4 ghosts for hunter, 5 ghosts for villager.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:15 pm

Remus West wrote:Although, to be completely candid, LM's later comment makes a tone of sense to me that hitting the berserker would have meant one less wolf I think it a sketchy comment because we don't really need to find the wolves right now. We need to eliminate where they can hide then take a scorched earth policy to the rest of the area. My scan can expand our knowns while whittling down the shadows. The hunter can only whittle down the shadows. I stand by it being better that he was villager than berserker for that reason.

I still don't concur. But again none of it will matter tomorrow. You will be exposed as villager/wolf one way or another. Not allowing bb2112 to speak will be what it will be.

And El Guapo is spoofing the medium. I would say vote for Guapo but he's made me laugh too much to want to lynch him. Damn you, Guapo!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:26 pm

Newcastle did it too, and it's just wrong. We wait so that we learn what they say. It's simple. You may have removed the hunter, who was a provable role (never mind the shot itself). I don't think it was a good play at all, even though I was actually pretty sure he was going to come up wolf. You wait.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:26 pm

Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:...... but that's what pr0ner thought you were saying.
What..you ..gah! &^5$#@(!&

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:30 pm

Lassr wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Oh and I am advocating to scan bb2112
Newcastle needs to be scanned. Wolves don't know what BB was either. They know what Newcastle was though and we do not.

Absolutely this.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:35 pm

Unagi wrote:
Lassr wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Oh and I am advocating to scan bb2112
Newcastle needs to be scanned. Wolves don't know what BB was either. They know what Newcastle was though and we do not.
Absolutely this.

And this:

El Guapo wrote:
tru1cy wrote:Oh and I am advocating to scan bb2112
You mean have the cabal scan bb2112 instead of Newcastle?

By contrast, I would advocate that the Cabal not suddenly go crazy.

And this:

El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:
tru1cy, I hope you guys choose one of the dead and go from there. Use the information you gain to the village's advantage. Do not tell who you are intending to scan nor who you did scan until you are ready.
I also hope that the Cabal choose one of the dead, as if they choose one of the living their power would fail. And yeah, don't tell everyone that you are intending to scan Newcastle even though of course you're going to scan Newcastle because scanning bb would be first rate lunacy. But just don't tell anyone.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:38 pm

Unagi wrote:Newcastle did it too, and it's just wrong. We wait so that we learn what they say. It's simple. You may have removed the hunter, who was a provable role (never mind the shot itself). I don't think it was a good play at all, even though I was actually pretty sure he was going to come up wolf. You wait.

Yes. This latest trend of ChaosraveN-1-ing is as baffling as it is unwise.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:28 pm

That was a flop.
We should've killed El Guap'.
We'll end up paying ransom.
We should've swatted handsome.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:02 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:That was a flop.
We should've killed El Guap'.
We'll end up paying ransom.
We should've swatted handsome.

We. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:10 pm

I've consistently said
Which ones I want dead.
(The exception is triggercut;
I like how his jib is cut.)

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:18 pm

I leave for the Smokie Mountains Sunday night and will be back Friday. I'm not sure if the cabin has wifi or not, it is not listed though, and that would suck.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:05 am

Grundbegriff wrote:I've consistently said
Which ones I want dead.
(The exception is triggercut;
I like how his jib is cut.)

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:53 am

Still think we should have lynched El Guapo. Odds are two wolves are in on the bb2112 lynch.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:56 am

redrun wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:That was a flop.
We should've killed El Guap'.
We'll end up paying ransom.
We should've swatted handsome.
We. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

When his vote was on El Guapo, "we" is appropriate.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:49 am

theohall wrote:
redrun wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:That was a flop.
We should've killed El Guap'.
We'll end up paying ransom.
We should've swatted handsome.
We. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
When his vote was on El Guapo, "we" is appropriate.

You and he are correct - I had forgotten that he'd voted for El Guapo.