Lynching Liaisons - The End

[Grundbegriff]

There are 12 villagers + 3 wolves alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 3rd at 1pm Eastern time (please check my math).

2 Wolves Alive

[Grundbegriff]

The Flame:
FURBALL: Bakhtosh
FURBALL: Remus West
Sorcerer: Holman
villager: Qantaga
Seer: bb2112
Medium: triggercut
villager: Newcastle
villager: El Guapo

The Game:
Cabal: Lagom Lite
Cabal: theohall
Cabal: tru1cy
Mentalist: redrun
Hunter: Chaosraven
villager: Grundbegriff
________: Lassr
________: Vorret
________: RMC
________: purge
________: pr0ner
________: Scoop20906
________: Unagi
________: LordMortis

It's as if we're starting fresh with a werewolf game of 14 having 2 wolves, no specials, and 5 confirmed good.
Among {Lassr, LordMortis, pr0ner, purge, RMC, Scoop20906, Unagi, Vorret} lie two hellhounds.
Wood. Bell sounds.

We hope, but do not know, that the Splody has been eliminated. If not, that skews the numbers.
Waited. Slumbers.

GGGGGGGGGGGGWW
miss/slay
GGGGGGGGGGWW
miss/slay
GGGGGGGGWW
miss/slay
GGGGGGWW
miss/slay
GGGGWW
miss/slay for Lupine Victory
GGWW

Five misses and we lose.
Which mister shall we choose?

[Lassr]

While I like some of your premises they always go off end up in crazy town.

OTOH, you and redrun come from totally different perspectives and both seem to be pointing at lassr and he's fairly high on my list. I'd be happy to vote his way.

It is safe to say that I am just a villager so lynch away. I tried to draw the night kill acting special but the wolves target environment was too full. So join Theohall in crazy town.

[pr0ner]

Do I put my attention back on purge? Hmmmm.

[LordMortis]

I doubt it matters in the grand scheme of things but if I read correctly and we want to know if Remus was 'splody you could scan him tonight. I don't see any other purpose for scans at this point.

It is safe to say that I am just a villager so lynch away. I tried to draw the night kill acting special but the wolves target environment was too full. So join Theohall in crazy town.

The target is not really up to me but if highly suspecting you puts me next to Theo, such is life.

[Unagi]

 purge 
 


for all the reason's I've said before. And I think Remus likely hid one of his buddies in his scan list, and I know I'm not one of em. And clearly, CR isn't either.

[theohall]

Scratch Chaosraven from the list.

Lord Mortis
Unagi
Lassr

Let's try  Unagi 
 

[theohall]

Scratch Chaosraven from the list.

Lord Mortis
Unagi
Lassr

Let's try  Unagi 
 

This is because one of the early voters on bb2112 is likely a wolf.

[redrun]

Why Qantaga? The wolves weren't going to kill Remus, figured Triggercut would be protected, so they were fishing for the real seer and the hunter. All other factors being equal, I'd suspect they'd look for someone who had them targeted - thus, Qantaga's last threat list for review (note: Chaosraven and Purge have since been unproven due to Remus, but were not included in the list of names I asked about):

I would love to see folks threat lists - for the above names only.

I need to do a read-through, now that the Cabal has come forward. I imagine that there are some interesting nuggets to uncover, since we now have knowledge of (proven and likely) alignments.

Purely by intuition during the flow of the game, I'm currently thinking:

Wolfish: Grund, RMC, bb

Mysterious-ish: Lassr, Vorret, El Guapo

Village-ish: Unagi, pr0ner, LordMortis

Wild Card-ish: Scoop (I'm not sure how to read his "disinterest")

Before I pursue any of these, though, I want to read the thread again. I'll put up a vote at that time.

[Unagi]

Scratch Chaosraven from the list.

Lord Mortis
Unagi
Lassr

Let's try  Unagi 
 

This is because one of the early voters on bb2112 is likely a wolf.

What's this magic rule you have for this? I had spoke about bb2112 as being the main member on the 'Good Guy' list that I would like removed for most of the time that LL's list was active. I was early on the vote because I thought BB2112 was acting out of character and seemed evil. He ends up being the Seer - and therefor I am a wolf?

I'm not going to go up and down and back and forth with you on this. I'm a villager. Have fun with your bb2112 vote analysis. How many of the specials would you be gunning down for that vote if you weren't forced to accept the fact that they are Specials?

[LordMortis]

 purge 
 


for all the reason's I've said before. And I think Remus likely hid one of his buddies in his scan list, and I know I'm not one of em. And clearly, CR isn't either.

My gut say that bb2112 cleared purge or myself and I don't think he's a good candidate. I would concur with the earlier assessment that if he found a wolf then probably would have spoken up against Remus' claim earlier.

The problem being how terrible my gut works.

[LordMortis]

And as I swap laundry, I remember how much he said he liked LL list. Dammit.

[Unagi]

 purge 
 


for all the reason's I've said before. And I think Remus likely hid one of his buddies in his scan list, and I know I'm not one of em. And clearly, CR isn't either.

My gut say that bb2112 cleared purge or myself and I don't think he's a good candidate. I would concur with the earlier assessment that if he found a wolf then probably would have spoken up against Remus' claim earlier.

The problem being how terrible my gut works.

Where did you see that? I did a partial re-read yesterday and nothing from bb2112's statements made me change thoughts on purge.

[Unagi]

And as I swap laundry, I remember how much he said he liked LL list. Dammit.

yeah.

[Unagi]

Wow, that was a crap load of stuff to read and digest. I hate the reveal btw. In my head I already pushed LL to leaning good and it seemed very unlikely that he was going to get lynched. The only good thing I see is that the wolves probably have a harder time figuring out what to do with that info than the village. The bad is LL is pushing us into a limited vote by ignoring his leaning good players, which being day one, is as likely to harbor wolves as not.

I guess if we are to play along, I would prefer  Purge 
 
.

He seems too quiet and doesn't seem to be stirring the pot like normal.

Is this where ?

[LordMortis]

Where did you see that? I did a partial re-read yesterday and nothing from bb2112's statements made me change thoughts on purge.

He went from having a hard on for purge to backing off him completely.

For me it would have been the way I charged at him and he just blew me off.

[LordMortis]

Wow, that was a crap load of stuff to read and digest. I hate the reveal btw. In my head I already pushed LL to leaning good and it seemed very unlikely that he was going to get lynched. The only good thing I see is that the wolves probably have a harder time figuring out what to do with that info than the village. The bad is LL is pushing us into a limited vote by ignoring his leaning good players, which being day one, is as likely to harbor wolves as not.

I guess if we are to play along, I would prefer  Purge 
 
.

He seems too quiet and doesn't seem to be stirring the pot like normal.

Is this where ?

That would be day 2 I'm talking about. He was after purge on day1 and then put on the brakes on day 2. Purge totally fell off his radar even when purge was very plausible before Remus "reveal." In summary:

Day 2 Final Vote Count

Spoiler:

• LordMortis acc bb2112 (1)
  Unagi acc Grund (1)
  LordMortis wd bb2112 (0)
  LordMortis acc purge (1)
  tru1cy acc Grund (2)
  Unagi wd Grund (0)
  Unagi acc purge (2)
  Scoop acc trig (1)
  Lassr acc Scoop (1)
  pr0ner acc purge (3)
  Lagom acc Remus (1)
  Vorret acc Remus (2)
  redrun acc trig (2)
  theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  Grund acc trig (3)
  tru1cy wd Grund (0)
  LordMortis wd purge (2)
  LordMortis acc Vorret (1)
  pr0ner wd purge (1)
  Vorret wd Remus West (1)
  trig acc Scoop (2)
• RMC acc Scoop (3)
  pr0ner acc Scoop (4)
  trig wd Scoop (3)
  Lagom Lite wd Remus (0)
  redrun wd trig (2)
  Grund wd trig (1)
  theohall wd Chaoraven (0)
  theohall acc LordMortis (1)
  Unagi wd purge (0)
  El Gaupo acc Scoop (4)
  redrun acc El Guapo (1)
  Lagom Lite acc El Guapo (2)
  theohall wd LordMortis (0)
• theohall acc El Guapo (3)
  Unagi acc El Guapo (4)
• Grundbegriff acc El Guapo (5)
  bb2112 acc LordMortis (1)
  bb2112 wd LordMortis (0)
• bb2112 acc Scoop (5)
• Vorret acc Scoop (6)
  Lassr wd Scoop (5)
  LordMortis wd Vorret (0)
• LordMortis acc bb2112 (1)
  Unagi wd El Guapo (4)
• Unagi acc bb2112 (2)
• Lassr acc bb2112 (3)
• Chaosraven acc bb2112 (4)
• tru1cy acc Scoop (6)
  Scoop wd triggercut (0)
• Scoop acc Grundbegriff (1)
  pr0ner wd Scoop (5)
• pr0ner acc bb2112 (5)
• Qantaga acc bb2112 (6)
  redrun wd El Guapo (3)
• redrun acc bb2112 (7)
  El Guapo wd Scoop (4)
• El Guapo acc bb2112 (8)
  Lagom Lite wd El Guapo (2)
• Lagom Lite acc bb2112 (9)
• Remus West acc bb2112 (10)

Votes required for lynch - 10

Against bb2112 (10) - LordMortis, Unagi, Lassr, Chaosraven, pr0ner, Qantaga, redrun, El Guapo, Lagom Lite, Remus West
Against Scoop (4) - RMC, bb2112, Vorret, tru1cy
Against El Guapo (2) - theohall, Grundbegriff
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Scoop20906

No votes (2) - purge, triggercut

There are 16 villagers + 3 wolves alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 20th at 9am Eastern time.




Votes for Seance

Spoiler:

• Vorret for Newcastle (1)
  El Guapo for Newcastle (2)
  Unagi for Newcastle (3)
  El Guapo wd Newcastle (2)
  Unagi wd Newcastle (1)

Requires as least 10 Votes of which the Medium must be 1

Seance Newcastle (1) - Vorret

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[Lassr]

 purge 
 


for all the reason's I've said before. And I think Remus likely hid one of his buddies in his scan list, and I know I'm not one of em. And clearly, CR isn't either.

would he? Again, only he knows. What would I have done? I probably would have named all villagers knowing I would be caught sooner or later and then people think one of the named scans had to be a wolf and we waste our time searching his list.

SO I just plan on starting over and ignoring his list. With that I keep coming back to Purge and Vorret. Vorret has some human sounding posts but then I get this feeling he's a wolf also so I'm 50/50 with him.

Purge feels wolfish. And there is something about you that keeps bothering me even though you did latch on to my ezmating like the good Unagi usually does.

It will help when we find out which wolf Remus was. If he was the zerker then I would think the wolves thought the remaining wolves had a good chance of living to the end. If Remus was NOT the zerker then the wolves might think the zerker had a good chance of being lynched.

[Lassr]

That would be day 2 I'm talking about. He was after purge on day1 and then put on the brakes on day 2. Purge totally fell off his radar even when purge was very plausible before Remus "reveal."

that could be something. If he really thought Purge was a wolf then scanned him and found him not then this could be a sign.

[theohall]

 purge 
 


for all the reason's I've said before. And I think Remus likely hid one of his buddies in his scan list, and I know I'm not one of em. And clearly, CR isn't either.

would he? Again, only he knows. What would I have done? I probably would have named all villagers knowing I would be caught sooner or later and then people think one of the named scans had to be a wolf and we waste our time searching his list.

SO I just plan on starting over and ignoring his list. With that I keep coming back to Purge and Vorret. Vorret has some human sounding posts but then I get this feeling he's a wolf also so I'm 50/50 with him.

Purge feels wolfish. And there is something about you that keeps bothering me even though you did latch on to my ezmating like the good Unagi usually does.

It will help when we find out which wolf Remus was. If he was the zerker then I would think the wolves thought the remaining wolves had a good chance of living to the end. If Remus was NOT the zerker then the wolves might think the zerker had a good chance of being lynched.

You and Lord Mortis seem to be continuing Remus West's game plan of getting us to lynch Vorret, even though Vorret was pushing for an earlier lynch of Remus West.

 withdraw Unagi

Lord Mortis 
 

[Unagi]

 purge 
 


for all the reason's I've said before. And I think Remus likely hid one of his buddies in his scan list, and I know I'm not one of em. And clearly, CR isn't either.

would he? Again, only he knows. What would I have done? I probably would have named all villagers knowing I would be caught sooner or later and then people think one of the named scans had to be a wolf and we waste our time searching his list.

To me, the CR part plays a part in that. My guess is that when he made his claim, he expected to be countered on that day, and his scans would be put to some scrutiny. I feel like people would have tested CR first, (due to the whole detroit crew tease, and the CR-Boogie-man effect) found him Human and then concluded what you just said. After 1 day, he added me, another villager - to further embed purge. This is my theory, anyway.


So, on Day 2, what was BB2112 saying about purge?

As much as I want to vote Purge, I think we already found the uber silent wolf. I just can't see the odds in favor of two. (I know, I know, Mara Jade)

That could just as much be him saying he scanned Purge to be the zerker. I don't read that as being a 'I scanned him good, back-off'.

As soon as Remus declared Seer and that purge/CR were off the table, anything BB2112 says is suspected to be "Deep Acting".
Is that where you see him "Backing off him completely" ?


He later actually comes out and puts a vote on LM:

 Lord Mortis 
 


I really don't understand why he has been harping on me. Is it because I don't like the village reveal and have been actively campaigning against it? What do you care, it is not like anyone is listening to me anyway. So far we have had 1 Cabalist, the Seer, the Medium, and the Mentalist come out. Oh and 2 villagers cleared. This should keep the wolves busy for several nights as they kill off our useful specials. I can pretty much go with any of the remaining guys on LL's naughty list, but I like LM for now.

and then a few posts later, drops it...

Ok, didn't realize I was the only one voting for LM. I do agree with Unagi about one thing, I would like to pick up the pace of the game a bit.  Scoop 
 

[Unagi]

That would be day 2 I'm talking about. He was after purge on day1 and then put on the brakes on day 2. Purge totally fell off his radar even when purge was very plausible before Remus "reveal."

that could be something. If he really thought Purge was a wolf then scanned him and found him not then this could be a sign.

Are you remembering something, or just going off what LM is saying about it all?

[theohall]

As to why Lord Mortis now, the last time folks called me on being "crazy" or not knowing what I'm talking about, two of them were wolves. And I screwed up by not sticking to my guns that time.

Lassr and Lord Mortis being on the exact same page as Remus West about Vorret looks really bad to me.

[Unagi]

In fact, we can probably ONLY be certain that bb2112 didn't have a scan on Scoop at all, since he was willing to lynch him, and perhaps also had not yet scanned LordMortis (same Day2 reason) The Seer doesn't lynch away his scans until the Seer actually comes out (be the scans Good or Evil). Those are his 'collection'.

Also, it sounds like perhaps BB2112 was missing a scan, or had some overlap - because when Remus came out - BB2112 commented that LM was very Right about how the Seer may have some scans that didn't add any value to the Numbers game. (so, perhaps BB2112 had a scan on Holman, or LL or Remus even, heh - or purge.)

[LordMortis]

As to why Lord Mortis now, the last time folks called me on being "crazy" or not knowing what I'm talking about, two of them were wolves. And I screwed up by not sticking to my guns that time.

Lassr and Lord Mortis being on the exact same page as Remus West about Vorret looks really bad to me.

I think bb2112 was the last person to call you on being crazy. I should take a play from his book and stop responding to you. But I still think sooner than later, so today is a great day to put me on the chopping block. And also still think it better to let others weigh in before knowns do, of which I remain particularly unimpressed with Grund's continual non weigh in all game.

[Unagi]

Where did you see that? I did a partial re-read yesterday and nothing from bb2112's statements made me change thoughts on purge.

He went from having a hard on for purge to backing off him completely.

For me it would have been the way I charged at him and he just blew me off.

From my read, he 'blew you off' because Scoop had more votes and he was wanting to get to the night.

Ok, didn't realize I was the only one voting for LM. I do agree with Unagi about one thing, I would like to pick up the pace of the game a bit.  Scoop 
 

Hey. maybe he was also dropping a "I do agree with Unagi" for another reason.

[LordMortis]

and perhaps also had not yet scanned LordMortis (same Day2 reason)

Point taken. That gives over to me giving purge even more benefit of the doubt.

[LordMortis]

and perhaps also had not yet scanned LordMortis (same Day2 reason)

Point taken. That gives over to me giving purge even more benefit of the doubt.

And the corollary to that is that scoop and I should move up suspicion list.

I guess that revises me to

vorret
lassr running neck and neck

Scoop (can her really be evil that many games in a row (that I've played))
Grund who remains a non presence.

With fears the RMC is such a ???
And that you and pr0ner are playing the game awesome.

And purge surprisingly looking more and more clean.

[Lassr]

That would be day 2 I'm talking about. He was after purge on day1 and then put on the brakes on day 2. Purge totally fell off his radar even when purge was very plausible before Remus "reveal."

that could be something. If he really thought Purge was a wolf then scanned him and found him not then this could be a sign.

Are you remembering something, or just going off what LM is saying about it all?

I was going off what LM said. I didn't recall what BB said and hadn't gone back to check yet.

[Lassr]

You and Lord Mortis seem to be continuing Remus West's game plan of getting us to lynch Vorret, even though Vorret was pushing for an earlier lynch of Remus West.

Remus has pushed to lynch his buddies before, I have done it also. How many times have we seen wolves spar against each other in the public forum to build up some innocence if/when one of them is lynched?

Answer: A lot.

[Chaosraven]

As Remus was out and about as a fake fakir, it is VERY likely he was the Zerk. Figure he comes out first, trying to draw the Seer. If someone contests, he has the impetus of having been first with some spurious logic on why he did and fingerpointing at the other guy. If he gets lynched, BOOM goes the real seer with no protection. Flipping a coin for the shot? Don't think we'd advocate that.

Sadly, I protected Remus last night.

If we have time before coming up with a lynch, I will indeed go wander back thru my notes I sent myself in msg reading along (I wanted to walk the edge of lynchable as I can't protect myself, but could prove if need be).

[Chaosraven]

Dinner Menu for BBQ Late Night
--------------------------
Hunter: Chaosraven
Cabal: Lagom Lite
Cabal: theohall
Cabal: tru1cy
Mentalist: redrun

villager + 2 Wolves
-----------------
Grundbegriff
Lassr
Vorret
RMC
purge
pr0ner
Scoop20906
Unagi
LordMortis

[Chaosraven]

And yes we need the info regarding Remus to be sure of the numbers of lynches/night kills

[Scoop20906]

Remus stalked around the assembly, furious and indignant. "If everyone was so sure I am lying", he shouted, "just shoot me. Come on - I'm standing right here!" As the morning wore on and everyone continued to stand around waiting for something to happen, he began to taunt the crowd for it's inaction and revisioninst history.

I enjoyed all 22 seconds!

[Grundbegriff]

Sadly, I protected Remus last night.

That's not so bad. All known are thus
Eligible, and that's a plus!

[Scoop20906]

 Accuse Grundbegriff of being a wolf 
 
No reason to change my opinion here.

[theohall]

You and Lord Mortis seem to be continuing Remus West's game plan of getting us to lynch Vorret, even though Vorret was pushing for an earlier lynch of Remus West.

Remus has pushed to lynch his buddies before, I have done it also. How many times have we seen wolves spar against each other in the public forum to build up some innocence if/when one of them is lynched?

Answer: A lot.

Yet approximately three people have really pushed the Vorret is evil train. You, LM, and Wolf West. Tell me that doesn't look conspicuous. Others have commented, but none have been as pushy about it as you three.

[Lassr]

You and Lord Mortis seem to be continuing Remus West's game plan of getting us to lynch Vorret, even though Vorret was pushing for an earlier lynch of Remus West.

Remus has pushed to lynch his buddies before, I have done it also. How many times have we seen wolves spar against each other in the public forum to build up some innocence if/when one of them is lynched?

Answer: A lot.

Yet approximately three people have really pushed the Vorret is evil train. You, LM, and Wolf West. Tell me that doesn't look conspicuous. Others have commented, but none have been as pushy about it as you three.

to say I have been pushy is stretching it a bit. I mentioned him once because he had several posts that were a bit fishy and then several that felt human. I have yet to push for his lynch nor do I have a vote placed on him.

[theohall]

You and Lord Mortis seem to be continuing Remus West's game plan of getting us to lynch Vorret, even though Vorret was pushing for an earlier lynch of Remus West.

Remus has pushed to lynch his buddies before, I have done it also. How many times have we seen wolves spar against each other in the public forum to build up some innocence if/when one of them is lynched?

Answer: A lot.

Yet approximately three people have really pushed the Vorret is evil train. You, LM, and Wolf West. Tell me that doesn't look conspicuous. Others have commented, but none have been as pushy about it as you three.

to say I have been pushy is stretching it a bit. I mentioned him once because he had several posts that were a bit fishy and then several that felt human. I have yet to push for his lynch nor do I have a vote placed on him.

I am referring to the whole game, not just today.

[tru1cy]

I think we should test Remus West "scans"