Lynching Liaisons - The End

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:53 pm

Dammit. I cannot see the Remus part of the quote on tapatalk when I post it. So I don't know if you can see it. Screw this for now.

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LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:03 pm

It's there. There is a generic quote about time (presumably from Stess) nested in a quote by me nested in quote by remus nested in a quote by me.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:37 pm

I think LM and I had some back-n-forth because he started the game by suggesting there was no way I wouldn't die on Night 0. I actually hoped to draw a night kill by "protesting" about that, but it didn't materialize.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:53 pm

I'm fine with being tested, and I'd HIGHLY enjoy not be put in a position to 'fight for it' at the very end - but if we are going to start lynching Remus' scans; I suggest that when you learn I'm a villager (should we start on me) you don't give up on testing purge. I seriously think he's contributing to this game EXACTLY the way he would as a wolf. His posts don't ever actually accuse anyone of much... He's just sitting in the wings. He's a wolf. Wouldn't purge have pushed back at me a little more? I didn't sense any suspicion from him against me at all when he came in and posted his Hit/Miss Analysis. And, IF purge is indeed a wolf, I would look back at LM and review his position on purge throughout the game. (there are moments he seems to push people away from the idea of voting for purge with the phrases he tosses out there)

purge

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:54 pm

Grund seems to be enjoying himself too. Not sure what to make of that.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:20 pm

Ok. This tapatalk is convenient but also a pain. But on the bright side my wife is out of surgery and doing great!

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Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:25 pm

Lassr wrote:my wife is out of surgery and doing great!

Awesome. glad to hear that.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:44 pm

Lassr wrote:Ok. This tapatalk is convenient but also a pain. But on the bright side my wife is out of surgery and doing great!

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triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:33 pm

Lassr wrote:Ok. This tapatalk is convenient but also a pain. But on the bright side my wife is out of surgery and doing great!

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That's great news!

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:57 pm

Lassr wrote:Ok. This tapatalk is convenient but also a pain. But on the bright side my wife is out of surgery and doing great!

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Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:11 pm

Lassr wrote:Ok. This tapatalk is convenient but also a pain. But on the bright side my wife is out of surgery and doing great!

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huzzah! Now she can go back to proofreading your Six PM's for the next BSG

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:59 pm

Lassr wrote:Dammit. I cannot see the Remus part of the quote on tapatalk when I post it. So I don't know if you can see it. Screw this for now.

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Tapatalk sucks at grabbing quotes.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:02 pm

Unagi wrote:Grund seems to be enjoying himself too. Not sure what to make of that.

Grund has contributed zilch this game (more then me tho). That didn't thumb me into the eye too much but when he went into number of potential misses we have it just looked like more fluff.

How many opinions on actual players has Grund posted this game? He is playing middle of the road, careful, and just active enough. Why can't you all see that?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:04 pm

Lassr wrote:Ok. This tapatalk is convenient but also a pain. But on the bright side my wife is out of surgery and doing great!

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I didn't realize she was in surgery but happy to hear the good news.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:06 pm

Unagi wrote:I'm fine with being tested, and I'd HIGHLY enjoy not be put in a position to 'fight for it' at the very end - but if we are going to start lynching Remus' scans; I suggest that when you learn I'm a villager (should we start on me) you don't give up on testing purge. I seriously think he's contributing to this game EXACTLY the way he would as a wolf. His posts don't ever actually accuse anyone of much... He's just sitting in the wings. He's a wolf. Wouldn't purge have pushed back at me a little more? I didn't sense any suspicion from him against me at all when he came in and posted his Hit/Miss Analysis. And, IF purge is indeed a wolf, I would look back at LM and review his position on purge throughout the game. (there are moments he seems to push people away from the idea of voting for purge with the phrases he tosses out there)

purge

I would trust the Unagi wolf sense if he hadn't been cleared by another wolf already but you do make an interesting case for voting purge. I'm just not sure I agree. As for LM, he is a friggin wind chime. You never know which what the wind blows with him. (and I love him for it)

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:55 pm

Hell. Unagi and purge are probably the last two wolves...

That would be funny

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theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:26 am

Unagi wrote:I'm fine with being tested, and I'd HIGHLY enjoy not be put in a position to 'fight for it' at the very end - but if we are going to start lynching Remus' scans; I suggest that when you learn I'm a villager (should we start on me) you don't give up on testing purge. I seriously think he's contributing to this game EXACTLY the way he would as a wolf. His posts don't ever actually accuse anyone of much... He's just sitting in the wings. He's a wolf. Wouldn't purge have pushed back at me a little more? I didn't sense any suspicion from him against me at all when he came in and posted his Hit/Miss Analysis. And, IF purge is indeed a wolf, I would look back at LM and review his position on purge throughout the game. (there are moments he seems to push people away from the idea of voting for purge with the phrases he tosses out there)

purge

If LM is pushing people away from voting for someone specific (purge), does that not make him look guilty already? I would prefer going after those who were early on the bb2112 lynch, though. Lord Mortis falls under both those criteria. Otherwise, I will probably follow go with Unagi.

Cue the Lord Mortis post saying how crazy I am and everyone should just ignore this.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:29 am

I'm leaving my vote on Unagi. His trying to warn the cabal off from scanning bb2112 looks very suspicious to me in hindsight.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:44 am

tru1cy wrote:I'm leaving my vote on Unagi. His trying to warn the cabal off from scanning bb2112 looks very suspicious to me in hindsight.

I ~warned~ the cabal off scanning bb2112. That's amazing.

tru1cy, I wanted to know what the wolves knew. I didn't warn you from scanning bb2112. You came and said you were having a debate. Quite frankly - I assumed my 'advice' would be translated to: "Listen to Lagom, he is right; you should scan the player that the wolves know about."

AM I WRONG? Had you not already gotten news on Qantaga's role - wasn't the bb2112 scan 'second priority'? So, yeah - sorry my correct advice seems to look like I was trying to hide bb2112's role from you all... Cause, yeah - I knew.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:00 am

I guess I can see the wolf reasoning behing not wanting to scan BB.
They killed Qatanga who ended up not being the seer. I bet they scratched their head in that forum trying to figure out why the real seer wasn't speaking up so if they we're playing the odds game, scanning BB posed more of a risk than scanning Qatanga. Bit far stretched but it does make some sense.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:11 am

so they make the cabal scan Qantaga, kill Trigger so we can't sceance anyone.
It buys them another day, at that point, Remus would have had to work really hard to kill the suspicions but he probably would have succeded in having another villager lynched, we got extremely lucky we could have lost right there, at some point the wolf would have figured out we killed the seer in one of the lynch and would have suggested someone else for the scan until we all died.

withdraw RMC

Unagi

I agree with Theo, he's a good test.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:39 am

I am traveling for work this week, so vote counts might be a bit more erratic. I'll try to get an official one around lunch.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:14 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Vorret wrote:Sure it's some crazy conspiracy theory but... what if?
Remus has been at the center of these crazy what if's before and has been evil in the middle of them before. He should know better than causing what if problems especially when he is at the center of them. That's why I'd only give him the benefit of the doubt having made this mistake twice until the math doesn't make sense.

Of course if it all goes to hell, I'd also blame bb2112 if he was sitting on seer and didn't say anything before hand.

I also concur with Unagi that you have to scan Q. Even if both he and remus were wolves, the play makes the most sense. You can't let the wolves have information the village does not.

Can you explain to me when "the math doesn't make sense"?

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:14 pm

Concerning the folks who called for a scan of Qantaga over a scan of BB2112. If Qantaga had not been contacted the night before, I'd have been calling for him to be scanned. The wolves knew what he was, the village was better off knowing. However, I do think a wolf would have wanted to ensure the village went that way also (since they knew there was no real knowledge to be gained by scanning Qantaga). A wolf might have followed up quickly to Tru1cy, but I'd more expect them to have done a "yeah, me too" -or-, once they see the way the village is leaning, not say anything to avoid having put in the 'wrong' answer (in that they knew Qantaga would be a waste of time).

tru1cy wrote:Just so everyone know we are having a bit of a debate on whom to scan...

Six minutes later:

Unagi wrote:If that's a request for input; I would say we should learn what the wolves know. They don't know anything about bb2112 right now, but they do know what Qantaga was. Obviously we want to know both, but we won't be able to catch up on autopsies until they kill one of the uncontested specials.
that's my opinion.

Six minutes later:

Vorret wrote:It's night... I fail again with my sceance vote.
I suggest BB as well in that case

The same minute:

Vorret wrote:read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga

(Side note: So, during this night Vorret has called for a senance of BB2112 (which will be impossible in the morning), made a big point about how Remus could be a wolf, called for BB2112 to be the scan, but immediately corrected to Qantaga... it's all perfect to point at later to say he's good, while worth nothing at all when actually posted... IMO.)

Unagi wrote:
Vorret wrote:read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga
I sure am. Either of them could have been sitting on the Seer (or Hunter) roles, but the wolves already know about Qantaga, and would love to hear about BB2112.
What's the logic to scan BB2112 over Qantaga?

Vorret wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Vorret wrote:What's the logic to scan BB2112 over Qantaga?
Well I'm curious as to why Remus killed BB before he had a chance to talk.
Also his "scan" have not been verified by anyone, for all we know, you could be a wolf.

Sure it's some crazy conspiracy theory but... what if?

LordMortis wrote:
Vorret wrote:Sure it's some crazy conspiracy theory but... what if?
Remus has been at the center of these crazy what if's before and has been evil in the middle of them before. He should know better than causing what if problems especially when he is at the center of them. That's why I'd only give him the benefit of the doubt having made this mistake twice until the math doesn't make sense.

Of course if it all goes to hell, I'd also blame bb2112 if he was sitting on seer and didn't say anything before hand.

I also concur with Unagi that you have to scan Q. Even if both he and remus were wolves, the play makes the most sense. You can't let the wolves have information the village does not.

(Side note - it's interesting that LordMortis doesn't say anything about blaming Qantaga as well.)

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:21 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:So. Remus is a lying wolf, and of course the Berzerker. This seems like a good opportunity to use the Hunter shot.

Yes, I totally agree. So, who immediately voted for Remus?

tru1cy wrote:Remus you have some explaining to do!!!

Remus West

LordMortis wrote:
And there we go. BB2112, why didn't you speak up!!!!!

Remus West

However, he does remove the vote as soon as I ask Tru1cy to remove his, after which we get:

Vorret wrote:Wow... my conspiracy theory was right.

RW

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:24 pm

Vorret wrote:I wonder why BB didn't say anything, that's so weird.

Now... he said he scanned Unagi and CR ... he had no way to know if either of them we're the hunter so it was a big gamble to name them , though one of them could also be the other wolf (risky).

We should lynch them next.

This from the guy who said (after it was impossible to do so) that we should seance BB2112 to find out why Remus killed him without allowing him to say anything. He knows that the wolves have no knowledge about players prior their kill, so it makes no sense to call to seance BB2112 to find out why - but it's very useful for Vorret to point at later to say he is good.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:33 pm

Unagi wrote:
tru1cy wrote:I'm leaving my vote on Unagi. His trying to warn the cabal off from scanning bb2112 looks very suspicious to me in hindsight.
I ~warned~ the cabal off scanning bb2112. That's amazing.

tru1cy, I wanted to know what the wolves knew. I didn't warn you from scanning bb2112. You came and said you were having a debate. Quite frankly - I assumed my 'advice' would be translated to: "Listen to Lagom, he is right; you should scan the player that the wolves know about."

AM I WRONG? Had you not already gotten news on Qantaga's role - wasn't the bb2112 scan 'second priority'? So, yeah - sorry my correct advice seems to look like I was trying to hide bb2112's role from you all... Cause, yeah - I knew.

I also agreed with unagi about scanning the dead player in which the wolves already knew their role. Only logical choice without knowing about the other info.

Doesn't mean unagi is not a wolf. He well could be but I cannot hold that against him.

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LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:37 pm

redrun wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Vorret wrote:Sure it's some crazy conspiracy theory but... what if?
Remus has been at the center of these crazy what if's before and has been evil in the middle of them before. He should know better than causing what if problems especially when he is at the center of them. That's why I'd only give him the benefit of the doubt having made this mistake twice until the math doesn't make sense.

Of course if it all goes to hell, I'd also blame bb2112 if he was sitting on seer and didn't say anything before hand.

I also concur with Unagi that you have to scan Q. Even if both he and remus were wolves, the play makes the most sense. You can't let the wolves have information the village does not.
Can you explain to me when "the math doesn't make sense"?

The math of following him doesn't make sense when you can't win if Remus is a wolf lying to you and you keep following him as if he's a seer. In the world where bb2112 was scanned and I was alive I would have only followed Remus' lead for another two days without him producing a wolf and then he'd get one more day to win the game.

And I would have followed his lead for another two days.

(Side note - it's interesting that LordMortis doesn't say anything about blaming Qantaga as well.)

I don't understand. Why would I blame Q for not speaking up before killed at night? I also don't think it's a side note. If that somehow sheds light on my guilt, then it's a note.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:49 pm

Vorret wrote:My idea is that putting 3 "real" villagers there gave him 3 person who could back him up (well before we found out about BB) and it protects the wolves once he dies, which he knew would happen and it's only 3 people, not a big pool to hide in.

I think we'll be wasting our time if we lynch the 3 wolfscan.

The three wolfscans - CR, Purge, Unagi.

Vorret wrote:so they make the cabal scan Qantaga, kill Trigger so we can't sceance anyone.
It buys them another day, at that point, Remus would have had to work really hard to kill the suspicions but he probably would have succeded in having another villager lynched, we got extremely lucky we could have lost right there, at some point the wolf would have figured out we killed the seer in one of the lynch and would have suggested someone else for the scan until we all died.

withdraw RMC

Unagi

I agree with Theo, he's a good test.

You were one of the folks saying it was better to scan Qantaga over BB2112. You've jumped votes three times today. You did a move today that I saw you do last game when you were evil (which, should you be a wolf, really makes me want to look at Grund).
Vorret

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:05 pm

purge

I am interested in seeing what purge is. Might answer my question about unagi.

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Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:25 pm

redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:My idea is that putting 3 "real" villagers there gave him 3 person who could back him up (well before we found out about BB) and it protects the wolves once he dies, which he knew would happen and it's only 3 people, not a big pool to hide in.

I think we'll be wasting our time if we lynch the 3 wolfscan.
The three wolfscans - CR, Purge, Unagi.
Vorret wrote:so they make the cabal scan Qantaga, kill Trigger so we can't sceance anyone.
It buys them another day, at that point, Remus would have had to work really hard to kill the suspicions but he probably would have succeded in having another villager lynched, we got extremely lucky we could have lost right there, at some point the wolf would have figured out we killed the seer in one of the lynch and would have suggested someone else for the scan until we all died.

withdraw RMC

Unagi

I agree with Theo, he's a good test.
You were one of the folks saying it was better to scan Qantaga over BB2112. You've jumped votes three times today. You did a move today that I saw you do last game when you were evil (which, should you be a wolf, really makes me want to look at Grund).
Vorret

If you we're not a "known" I'd push to lynch you. Stop trying to have me lynch by saying lies about what I said.
I pushed to scan Qantaga? Where? I never said that.

Scoop after going up to 5-6 votes in day 2 I think is now a ghost. When was the last time he was like that? Oh yeah, last game when he was a wolf.

RMC isn't doing much either, he's just going with the flow, posting here and there, no substance, but hey that's perfectly fine as well.

I changed my vote for 1 simple reason, nobody will follow me, why? Because we have 4 knowns alive who are pretty much calling the shot for everyone else so I don't even know why I bother posting, if you want me lynched just get it done so I can stop being a distraction.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:59 pm

Vorret wrote:
redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:You were one of the folks saying it was better to scan Qantaga over BB2112. You've jumped votes three times today. You did a move today that I saw you do last game when you were evil (which, should you be a wolf, really makes me want to look at Grund).
Vorret

If you we're not a "known" I'd push to lynch you. Stop trying to have me lynch by saying lies about what I said.
I pushed to scan Qantaga? Where? I never said that.

You first suggested BB2112, followed by a post with a timestamp of the same minute calling for Qantaga.

Vorret wrote:It's night... I fail again with my sceance vote.
I suggest BB as well in that case

Vorret wrote:read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:15 pm

redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:
redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:You were one of the folks saying it was better to scan Qantaga over BB2112. You've jumped votes three times today. You did a move today that I saw you do last game when you were evil (which, should you be a wolf, really makes me want to look at Grund).
Vorret

If you we're not a "known" I'd push to lynch you. Stop trying to have me lynch by saying lies about what I said.
I pushed to scan Qantaga? Where? I never said that.
You first suggested BB2112, followed by a post with a timestamp of the same minute calling for Qantaga.
Vorret wrote:It's night... I fail again with my sceance vote.
I suggest BB as well in that case

Vorret wrote:read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga

I don't see that as me pushing for Q only a correction that Unagi wasn't pushing for BB as I had insinuated, though I have to admit that what I think (French) may sometimes not make as much sense when written in English

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:42 pm

Vorret wrote:
redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:
redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:You were one of the folks saying it was better to scan Qantaga over BB2112. You've jumped votes three times today. You did a move today that I saw you do last game when you were evil (which, should you be a wolf, really makes me want to look at Grund).
Vorret

If you we're not a "known" I'd push to lynch you. Stop trying to have me lynch by saying lies about what I said.
I pushed to scan Qantaga? Where? I never said that.
You first suggested BB2112, followed by a post with a timestamp of the same minute calling for Qantaga.
Vorret wrote:It's night... I fail again with my sceance vote.
I suggest BB as well in that case

Vorret wrote:read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga
I don't see that as me pushing for Q only a correction that Unagi wasn't pushing for BB as I had insinuated, though I have to admit that what I think (French) may sometimes not make as much sense when written in English

French is your mother tongue? That's cool, so I'm not the only non-English native speaker here then.

Still, I see redrun's points. You've come off as evasive to me, too. I know I thought at one point that you were a special, but since we now know you can't be (all specials are accounted for), that probably means you're a wolf.

Vorret

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:44 pm

Lassr wrote:Hell. Unagi and purge are probably the last two wolves...

That would be funny

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Nah, I'd rather think it's you and Vorret. Or Grund.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:44 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
Lassr wrote:Hell. Unagi and purge are probably the last two wolves...

That would be funny

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Nah, I'd rather think it's you and Vorret. Or Grund.

(Glad to hear everything went well with the surgery and all.)

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:33 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
Vorret wrote:
redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:
redrun wrote:
Vorret wrote:You were one of the folks saying it was better to scan Qantaga over BB2112. You've jumped votes three times today. You did a move today that I saw you do last game when you were evil (which, should you be a wolf, really makes me want to look at Grund).
Vorret

If you we're not a "known" I'd push to lynch you. Stop trying to have me lynch by saying lies about what I said.
I pushed to scan Qantaga? Where? I never said that.
You first suggested BB2112, followed by a post with a timestamp of the same minute calling for Qantaga.
Vorret wrote:It's night... I fail again with my sceance vote.
I suggest BB as well in that case

Vorret wrote:read too fast , I think you're suggesting quantaga
I don't see that as me pushing for Q only a correction that Unagi wasn't pushing for BB as I had insinuated, though I have to admit that what I think (French) may sometimes not make as much sense when written in English
French is your mother tongue? That's cool, so I'm not the only non-English native speaker here then.

Still, I see redrun's points. You've come off as evasive to me, too. I know I thought at one point that you were a special, but since we now know you can't be (all specials are accounted for), that probably means you're a wolf.

Vorret

I hope you guys will manage to win after you've lynched all the good villagers !

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:11 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Lassr wrote:Hell. Unagi and purge are probably the last two wolves...

That would be funny

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Nah, I'd rather think it's you and Vorret. Or Grund.
(Glad to hear everything went well with the surgery and all.)

it went so well that she got to come home 4 days earlier than expected. We are home now.

oh, and I am not a wolf!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:38 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:Grund seems to be enjoying himself too. Not sure what to make of that.
Grund has contributed zilch this game (more then me tho). That didn't thumb me into the eye too much but when he went into number of potential misses we have it just looked like more fluff.

How many opinions on actual players has Grund posted this game? He is playing middle of the road, careful, and just active enough. Why can't you all see that?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:25 am

I seriously don't understand the Vorret vote when we have 6 other candidates more likely to be a wolf between the list of those Remus West named and those early voters on bb2112.