Lynching Liaisons - The End

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:30 pm

Lassr wrote:
Vorret wrote:Why would purge accuse RMC right before he died... why name the other wolf and put focus on him?
I don't get the idea behind that.
it is a wolf tactic that they hope leads the exact conclusion you just spoke of. Is it a wolf tactic in this case? dunno.

Well, I guess it may have a been a good idea if RMC was in the spotlight like grund was but he was mostly innocent, only a few had him on their radar. Kinda like pr0ner who seems to be white as snow.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:32 pm

Vorret wrote:Why would purge accuse RMC right before he died... why name the other wolf and put focus on him?
I don't get the idea behind that.

He deleted it. Didn't he?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:33 pm

Vorret wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Vorret wrote:Why would purge accuse RMC right before he died... why name the other wolf and put focus on him?
I don't get the idea behind that.
it is a wolf tactic that they hope leads the exact conclusion you just spoke of. Is it a wolf tactic in this case? dunno.
Well, I guess it may have a been a good idea if RMC was in the spotlight like grund was but he was mostly innocent, only a few had him on their radar. Kinda like pr0ner who seems to be white as snow.

the fact that purge immediately deleted the post after he realized he had been lynched though makes RMC look a little more human. I think the last wolf lies within Unagi or Lord Mortis.

Vorret would be my 3rd guess, then RMC then Scoop and pr0ner last. Did i miss anyone?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:34 pm

Really? I come to the opposite conclusion. How does that make RMC more human?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:38 pm

Unagi wrote:Really? I come to the opposite conclusion. How does that make RMC more human?

it felt like he was trying to draw attention away from himself and place a vote and then he realized he had already been lynched and deleted it. I think if it was wolf on wolf vote he would have left for all to see.

Now, the wildcard here is did Purge think his post after the last lynch vote was a violation of the rules? Thus he deleted it. If that were the case then it could be a wolf on wolf vote. Again, I dunno.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:38 pm

You don't see RMC trying to see if there is any chance of putting the brakes on the purge vote?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:41 pm

Lassr wrote:Now, the wildcard here is did Purge think his post after the last lynch vote was a violation of the rules? Thus he deleted it. If that were the case then it could be a wolf on wolf vote. Again, I dunno.

Interesting... becasue while everyone was slamming purge for the edit - this looked to me like a partner trying to chill everyone out:

RMC wrote:Anyway, I thought once the vote total hit the limit, you were dead, and could not post... Is it until the write up, or when you hit the vote total. <shrug> That might be why he changed his post.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:42 pm

Unagi wrote:You don't see RMC trying to see if there is any chance of putting the brakes on the purge vote?

He did?
I guess I need to read those last few pages again.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:42 pm

OK, I gotta run.

Have a safe and fun 4th of July everyone.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:45 pm

I have to say I am always careless. Well, not careless just honest. Even when I am a wolf, I have a hard time tricking people. Now when I play Mara Jade, that is a ton easier to trick everyone.

But I am not a wolf in this case, just a villager.

I will post my thoughts in the morning, as I have a party to get back to now, and work Friday.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:09 am

I am willingly violating the "not listen to trusted" idea.

Unagi

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:37 am

Well after a partial reread, I really like Unagi as the last wolf.

While there are a few that could be the wolf, he seems to be the most 'behind the scenes' voter. Until recently he has put his opinion in and then let things go. But now he seems to be trying to direct the vote.

Now some of this is because I know I am a villager, and he is pushing for me.

And actually, if we have the miss, it might be good to off me, just to remove any thoughts from others that I am a wolf.

I am going to a meeting, and then try to put everything down that I saw when I re-read last night.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:20 am

LordMortis
RMC
Pr0ner
Vorret
Lassr
Scoop
Unagi
Theohall
Redrun

We get to lynch up to four of these, the wolf will have three night kills. We can assume the wolf will go for the specials for the first two kills.

I've got some thoughts, but I'd like to see where the day goes for a bit and what the rest of you think.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:37 am

My thought :

pr0ner - I don't like the fact that he's been completely ignored since the start (he's also not really doing anything)
Unagi - I doubt RW would hide 2 wolves in his scan list, it's possible but doubtfull especially since his move should have never lasted as long as it did, he got lucky BB decided to say nothing and die.
RMC - I dunno, I have a hard time believing purge would put the last wolf there but I do agree the fact he deleted his post is... weird.

Not sure about everyone else, we cannot afford that many misses, pr0ner is my #1 worry here since if he's the last wolf, we're screwed since there is no suspicion at all on him.

pr0ner

This feels right.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:23 am

Seriously? Please, vorret, show to everyone how I'm not doing anything. Go ahead, I'll wait for you to fail.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:09 am

You forced me to go over everything that happened with your statement.
And you're right I can't find anything

wd pr0ner

You we're on the same vote against wolves as I was so I can't really accuse you of anything...

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:44 pm

Vorret wrote:You forced me to go over everything that happened with your statement.
And you're right I can't find anything

wd pr0ner

You we're on the same vote against wolves as I was so I can't really accuse you of anything...

Why don't you look at what Lord Mortis has done? It looks really bad for a supposed villager. If not Unagi, that's where my vote is going.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:18 pm

theohall wrote:
Vorret wrote:You forced me to go over everything that happened with your statement.
And you're right I can't find anything

wd pr0ner

You we're on the same vote against wolves as I was so I can't really accuse you of anything...
Why don't you look at what Lord Mortis has done? It looks really bad for a supposed villager. If not Unagi, that's where my vote is going.

While I agree with you, I'm curious to know what you see and what sets what I've apart from others (preferably after others look through my behavior first). I've even put myself at the top of lynch lists and still think I'm a fine candidate for today. Of course I see my behavior as similar to Vorrets (until he decided pr0ner was evil) and would be similar to the Scoop's if he were around more, which makes me go back and forth on them.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:38 pm

Unagi

Lord Mortis begging constantly to be lynched could be a wolf ploy, and he has my attention, part of me thinks it's just him not wanting to be around if it came down to the final day. I don't like that pressure either.

I want to test Unagi. He seems off to me and I will continue to wonder if Remus named 2 wolves.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:00 pm

So, why am I still alive?

From what I can tell, the mentalist was the logical first choice (all other things being equal) for the first kill from the four remaining known specialists.

If someone thinks me as the mentalist was Iocane, why did Lagom die last night? They'd have taken out Tru1cy and Theohall first. Lagom was the only one who really had to be a cabalist.

RMC, Lassr, Vorret - I've pushed hard on all three, and no one would have been surprised if I died first (between Lagom, Theo, Tru1cy, and myself) - in other words, it'd not have thrown too much guilt their way, and it would have gotten rid of someone who pushed hard on them.

I am the mentalist, and I spoke with Unagi two nights ago, RMC last night. So, either could figure that I trust them, and that it would be safer to go after the more dangerous knowns. However, RMC would still have been likely to go after me night one.

Unagi

There are a number of other factors that make him suspect in my eyes... but I'll save them for another game, or learn that they do fit in with his play style when good.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:02 am

well, you guys are indeed wrong, but test away.

RMC and Vorret are my top two.
LM sorta seems to be watching it unfold, not sure...
Scoop, same... not really sure.
Can't imagine Lassr would have pushed it as the last wolf like this, so he's low. pr0ner is almost absolutely human.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:04 am

I pictured LL first because he was the mouth for the brotherhood and coordinated brotherhood of three seemed more dangerous than the mentalist. I pictured you (rr) second because you could be taking private surveys.

I also didn't see you and theo choosing unagi today. I'm having a hard time voting for him even though my rule is to follow the knowns. Does he really go after Bakhtosh on day one? That and I have literally been wrong in every game I've been involved in getting him killed.

So my next thought is that it looks like it's him or me today, even though I don't feel like he's a wolf as much as I do many of the others. If I jump on him, I don't doubt the train comes off him and no me and I'd rather be lynched today than tomorrow.

I don't see me making it to the end game, so I'll let you decide on Unagi tomorrow.

withdraw RMC
accuse Unagi

N-1 and waiting for scoop to appear for the day.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:04 am

I can't bring myself to vote for Unagi right now. Sorry.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:44 pm

Accuse Lord Mortis

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:37 pm

yeah, I'll do that.

Lord Mortis

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:01 pm

Lord Mortis

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:23 pm

I'm having a hard time seeing why a wolf Mortis would keep volunteering to be tested. But that's just me. I definitely need to think more about who I'd like to vote for.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:10 pm

Who didn't see that coming. But I figure I'd get lynched tomorrow if Unagi is human and I get stepped on today. Hopefully watching how the game unfolds will tell you something.

Have fun figuring it out cause I got nothing. At that, I'll trust that redrun has the best grip on the game. You all look evil to me except pr0ner.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:34 pm

LordMortis wrote:Who didn't see that coming. But I figure I'd get lynched tomorrow if Unagi is human and I get stepped on today. Hopefully watching how the game unfolds will tell you something.

Have fun figuring it out cause I got nothing. At that, I'll trust that redrun has the best grip on the game. You all look evil to me except pr0ner.

Hold your horses, LM. Thats only three votes.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:16 am

pr0ner wrote:I'm having a hard time seeing why a wolf Mortis would keep volunteering to be tested. But that's just me. I definitely need to think more about who I'd like to vote for.

Is not that what a wolf should do? Hide in plain sight by volunteering to go, in hopes we don't lynch him? What else does the last wolf have at this point?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:41 am

theohall wrote:
pr0ner wrote:I'm having a hard time seeing why a wolf Mortis would keep volunteering to be tested. But that's just me. I definitely need to think more about who I'd like to vote for.
Is not that what a wolf should do? Hide in plain sight by volunteering to go, in hopes we don't lynch him? What else does the last wolf have at this point?

I know what you're getting at. I just have a sneaking suspicion that it might be more likely that the last wolf is in someone we haven't been paying a lot of attention to (Lassr? Vorret?) or the person fingered in purge's deleted post (RMC) than LM.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:28 pm

pr0ner wrote:
theohall wrote:
pr0ner wrote:I'm having a hard time seeing why a wolf Mortis would keep volunteering to be tested. But that's just me. I definitely need to think more about who I'd like to vote for.
Is not that what a wolf should do? Hide in plain sight by volunteering to go, in hopes we don't lynch him? What else does the last wolf have at this point?
I know what you're getting at. I just have a sneaking suspicion that it might be more likely that the last wolf is in someone we haven't been paying a lot of attention to (Lassr? Vorret?) or the person fingered in purge's deleted post (RMC) than LM.

My ranking

one wolf hiding in red
Unagi
LordMortis
Vorret
RMC

if 1 of these is a wolf then I think the wolves can pull out a win
Scoop
pr0ner

Not a wolf
Lassr
theohall
redrun

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:52 pm

Lassr wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
theohall wrote:
pr0ner wrote:I'm having a hard time seeing why a wolf Mortis would keep volunteering to be tested. But that's just me. I definitely need to think more about who I'd like to vote for.
Is not that what a wolf should do? Hide in plain sight by volunteering to go, in hopes we don't lynch him? What else does the last wolf have at this point?
I know what you're getting at. I just have a sneaking suspicion that it might be more likely that the last wolf is in someone we haven't been paying a lot of attention to (Lassr? Vorret?) or the person fingered in purge's deleted post (RMC) than LM.
My ranking

one wolf hiding in red
Unagi
LordMortis
Vorret
RMC

if 1 of these is a wolf then I think the wolves can pull out a win
Scoop
pr0ner

Not a wolf
Lassr
theohall
redrun

Why I don't think Vorret is a wolf. Remus West tried hard to get us to lynch Vorret. If he was so sure about Vorret, as implied by his posts, why didn't he fake a scan of Vorret to give us a wolf? Go do a re-read of Remus West and his accusations of Vorret. Lord Mortis was following right along with Remus West then. This is what has me focused on Lord Mortis.

I know the counter is Remus West was doing this to fool us into believing Vorret is not a wolf. However, with the wolves down the Sorcerer, a wolf, and Remus faking Seer, I find it hard to believe Remus would be pushing us to lynch a wolf.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:03 pm

Also, vorret noted purge's deleted post and gave us an idea of what was in it. Would a wolf do that to another wolf?

If I had to guess, I think the wolf is in the group of Lassr, RMC, and Scoop. Vorret, Unagi, and LM trend good to me.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:43 am

How has Lord Mortis acted when a wolf in the past? I don't remember playing in a game with him when he was.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:07 am

So after one more reread, here is what I have as my thoughts. Take it all with a grain of salt, as I am horrible at finding wolves, but have gotten slightly better the last few games.

Unagi - My gut feeling he is the last wolf, but my gut is almost always wrong.
LordMortis - I don't recall playing too many of these games with LM, but he has been out in the open all game. I guess he could be a wolf, but it just seems wrong to me. We got a wolf quickly, and it would have seemed with Remus's play, that other wolves would have tried to hide at least a little.
Scoop - Very little to go on, but with someone posing as the seer in the wolf camp, I would almost always see Scoop wanting that role. He loves doing that as a wolf. Of course, with Remus doing the posing, then maybe Scoop hiding is how scoop wolf would have to play after the earlier deception.
pr0ner - Trending good to me.
Lassr - <sigh> He is awesome, and I think he is good, but in all reality he is so good at this, that he might be a good lynch just to ensure he is not the last wolf.
theohall - Hmm.. I guess I have not really considered him to be a wolf at all this game. Go figure, I almost always think he is a wolf.
Vorret - I have not gotten a bad vibe on him lately, so I guess I will put him in my trending good.

Not a Wolf:

redrun - Mentalist
RMC - I know I am not a wolf

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:38 am

I don't know anymore...

Recap on the lynches :

First day ending :
Against Bakhtosh (11) - Qantaga, Unagi, Chaosraven, pr0ner, Lassr, Scoop, tru1cy, Vorret, LordMortis, Remus West, Newcastle
Against redrun (2) - RMC, Bakhtosh
Against Vorret (1) - triggercut
Against Remus (1) - redrun
Against theohall (1) - El Guapo
Against Purge (1) - bb2112
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall
No votes (3) - Purge, Grundbegriff, Lagom Lite

Only 1 known wolf (currently known) was on Baktosh and it was RW, good way to set up his seer fake later. Purge on the sideline.

Mid 2nd day :

Against Scoop (6) - RMC, pr0ner, El Guapo, bb2112, Vorret,tru1cy
Against El Guapo (4) - redrun, Lagom LIte, theohall, Grundbegriff
Against bb2112 (4) - LordMortis, Unagi, Lassr, Chaosraven
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Scoop20906
No votes (4) - Remus West, Qantaga, purge, triggercut

Both known wolves not voting and BB (our seer) voting for Purge (wolf)

When we finally lynched the seer :

Against bb2112 (10) - LordMortis, Unagi, Lassr, Chaosraven, pr0ner, Qantaga, redrun, El Guapo, Lagom Lite, Remus West
Against Scoop (4) - RMC, bb2112, Vorret, tru1cy
Against El Guapo (2) - theohall, Grundbegriff
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Scoop20906
No votes (2) - purge, triggercut

Again, only RW and again purge sitting and BB (seer) voting for Scoop.

Day 4 : Chaos shot RW

End of day 4 :
Against purge (8): Unagi, pr0ner, Lassr, RMC, theohall, Lagom ,tru1cy, Vorret, RMC
Against Grund (2): Scoop, LordMortis
Against Vorret (1): redrun
No votes (3) - Purge, Grundbegriff, Chaosraven,

It looks weird but RMC withdrew and put the vote back to finish him off.

Day 5 went really fast and to be honest, I really thought Grund was the last wolf... sad.

Aginst Grund (6) - Scoop, pr0ner, RMC, Vorret, Lagom Lite, Lassr
Against RMC (2) - LordMortis, Unagi
No votes (3) - Grundbegriff, theohall, redrun

Nothing to say here, votes we're fairly split, I was on Grund obviously since I had been on his case for so long.

Not quite sure what to make of all that... I'm trying to find some patterns but I just don't see it, maybe one of you will?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:39 am

I could have formatted it a bit better...

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:48 am

That it's actually being asked, I'm going back and thinking about it and I think you'd be hard pressed

I was a wolf in the first ever werewolf game here with Chris Grenard and we still had PMs then and I don't know how I acted but I felt like heel for lying for Bad Demographic for a week.

I was the MiB or some such thing of the sort in Grund's Lost game. I had no team mates to conspire with and everyone else did so I just plodded along, found a relatively safe place to hole up and waited for people to wander to wander by and kill them.

I was a wolf with pr0ner and Grund once in a game that got cancelled before the first post.

And then I've been a sorcerer type in a bunch of games. At least three that I remember clearly... Or as clearly as my memory works. As sorcerer, I've always come out within a turn or two and taunted the village. I'm not a great keeper of secrets. Which is pretty much how it always plays out when I am good special as well.

I will also add that I've never lost as a bad guy and the only games I've ever made it to the end good or bad have been as a wolf and the MiB.

...

RMC, you might want to remove theo from you list as well. He is as brotherhood as redrun is mentalist.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:59 am

Day 6 Vote Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 5

Aginst Unagi (3) - Lassr, redrun, LordMortis
Against LordMortis (3) - Scoop, Unagi, theohall

No votes (3) - RMC, pr0ner, Vorret

There are 8 villagers + 1 wolf alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 12th at 1pm Eastern time.