Battle of the Presidents

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:36 pm

RMC wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
RMC wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
RMC wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:This ole chestnut.

Get a few votes and now you want to vote for me RMC? How do I seem evil to you?

Shoot RMC

Well like I said, you don't seem evil to me, no one does, but you are the most evilest of everyone, and since voting for a silent person seems to be taboo, I am going with who I feel is the most evil of all.

I admit, I have no idea who is evil or not. But my logic in going after silents seems to be bad, so I switched to voting for someone not named RMC.
And the fact that you have three votes (now four with me) on you has nothing to do with it?
Umm... Well I want to move the game along without myself being the person lynched as I am on team good guy.

So does 4 votes scare me, not really. It will be one step closer to team evil winning. I think I have been pretty open on who I was voting for and why. Even if my reason is silly, I still post it.

I find it interesting, that you think 4 votes should scare me into doing something.. is that because you know something about me?
Just pointing out that you got to three votes and then moved your vote to me.
Ahh... So if I moved it back to Q, then it is fine? If you read up further before your vote, you will see I said, I could vote for you.

Yeah, move your vote back to Q.

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RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:21 pm

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:20 pm

RMC or Vorret are fine choices, IMO.

Let's try and move this along.

RMC

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:21 pm

Fine fine.
withdraw Tru1cy

Can we have a vote count pretty please?

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:22 pm

I think I am at 5.

So I REALLY want to beg you all not to kill me... REALLY..pretty please...

So see I said, Please..

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:29 pm

I don't see it.
Why RMC what has he done that makes him more suspicious than, I dunno, Scoop ?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:39 pm

So... even if Newcastle offed himself there's still data there :

theohall (3): Lassr, tru1cy, RMC
Newcastle (8): El Guapo, Remus West, Chaosraven, bb2112, J.D., Vorret, Scoop20906, Newcastle
Qantaga (2): triggercut, theohall

Then we wait a month and get JD with a sexy Lassr in between.

Remus West (2): bb2112, theohall
J.D. (7): RMC, Vorret, Chaosraven, triggercut, Scoop20906, El Guapo, Remus West

Lassr was on theo and he died, theo wasn't on the Newcastle train and he also was not on the JD train.
Strangely, Remus was the last vote on JD and theo was voting for him.

RMC vote Theo on the 1st night and Theo is currently voting for him right now.

Maybe I'm pulling hair here but whatever, Theohall

I'm quite bad at this, I know, but I still don't see evil in RMC.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:40 pm

Oh and he said please.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:13 pm

Vorret wrote:Oh and he said please.

He did say please, but that is now code for "I am a special so please look elsewhere." The only problem is everyone knows that code. So if RMC really is special he should probably come out instead of taking it to his grave.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:18 pm

Exactly.
Can someone remove his vote to avoid a scoopcident?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:41 pm

RMC wrote:So I am guessing that we are going to get no information from our specials during this day.

Who should we vote off then? I suggested a silent, but that does not seem to have any traction.

Some have suggested moi, I don't really agree with that, but then I know my role.

This entire line is just giving me the heebie jeebies. Either you're a Democrat, or we're pushing to hang a special, or you're leaving hints you shouldn't....

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:41 pm

This whole Vorret and RMC kinda attempting to protect each other thing looks really bad.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:45 pm

I forgot to add the two of them pushing to off silents.... again bad choices.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:52 pm

Here's my line of thinking.

1. RMC is clearly something. He's either a Democrat or a special. No un-powered Republican would be begging to not be offed this way, I don't think.

2. He's not Ronnie. He's already said as much.

3. If he's Abe, I don't know why he doesn't rez Lassr and establish himself as a trusted.

4. If he's Teddy, I fear we may have made a terrible mistake here which could hand the game to the Democrats, and I feel stupid for having pressed a vote on him.

5. I still feel pretty confident he's a Democrat, but that he might be Teddy is bothering me some.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:53 pm

theohall wrote:I forgot to add the two of them pushing to off silents.... again bad choices.

Well, I was playing, I am a republican, but I am nothing. No special or anything. You can off me and have no harm.

The entire if they are quiet then they are not Dems thing, is kind of a silly conclusion. Why wouldn't you hide in the uber quiet crowd and be a dem? Any more than you are posting and hiding in plain sight.

I thought I might be able to draw an attack from the Dems at night, if you backed off, but no one really seems willing to back off. So instead of letting someone lynch me and throw the good guys into a panic because they think we lost a special, I will come clean.

So lynch me or don't, not going to make a difference. But if the main reason to lynch me is that I wanted to vote off a silent, then kill me please, so the repubs can lose.

And I have no idea on Vorret, he seems to be playing his normal game. Pretty much just like me. So you all might want to take all that into consideration when I come back a good guy.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:56 pm

triggercut wrote:Here's my line of thinking.

1. RMC is clearly something. He's either a Democrat or a special. No un-powered Republican would be begging to not be offed this way, I don't think.

2. He's not Ronnie. He's already said as much.

3. If he's Abe, I don't know why he doesn't rez Lassr and establish himself as a trusted.

4. If he's Teddy, I fear we may have made a terrible mistake here which could hand the game to the Democrats, and I feel stupid for having pressed a vote on him.

5. I still feel pretty confident he's a Democrat, but that he might be Teddy is bothering me some.

Wrong on all counts. Just off me.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:56 pm

You broke the please code!

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:57 pm

Vorret wrote:You broke the please code!

Bah, I started the please code, and it didn't work then, and it did not work now.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:58 pm

And for the record I'm not protecting him, I'm just not seeing what you guys are seeing. Now obviously he's not going to claim democrat there but I still think he's telling the truth.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:59 pm

RMC wrote:
Vorret wrote:You broke the please code!
Bah, I started the please code, and it didn't work then, and it did not work now.

Meh, it wasn't a good code anyways

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:52 pm

RMC -> Qantaga, Scoop20906
theohall -> Remus West, Vorret, RMC
bb2112 ->
triggercut -> RMC
Scoop20906 -> Remus West, RMC
Vorret -> tru1cy, theohall
Chaosraven -> RMC
El Guapo -> RMC
Remus West -> Scoop20906
Qantaga ->
tru1cy ->

Scoop20906 (2): Remus West, RMC
RMC (5): El Guapo, triggercut, Chaosraven, Scoop20906, theohall
theohall (1): Vorret

Six votes are needed.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:11 am

I was not willing to vote RMC until the please thing. That is a desperation play made by a special or someone trying to spoof one, and then he just claims nothing? If it was a play for the good guys, as he claims, it wasn't a good one.

RMC

Worst case scenario we kill a hack repug, best case we nail a democrat.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:32 am

With accusations flying back and forth the votes started adding up against RMC. "Kill me!" "Wait, don't kill me!" "No, on second thought kill me!" With the deciding vote placed RMC was put against the wall and asked for his final words. His rendition of "God Bless America" was interrupted by the firing squad. On closer inspection it was confirmed he sang true as demonstrated by his red soaked wounds. RMC was a Republican.

It is now Night 3. Send in your orders.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:56 am

That was such an obvious result, oh welll

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:38 am

Ugh. I agree it's irritating but not so obvious. RMC is a crafty player and has fooled me in the past. At least we know we haven't hurt our chances for a rez and scan and most likely Teddy's shot is still available. It could have been much worse (see last game).

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:43 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Ugh. I agree it's irritating but not so obvious. RMC is a crafty player and has fooled me in the past. At least we know we haven't hurt our chances for a rez and scan and most likely Teddy's shot is still available. It could have been much worse (see last game).

Last game was..... yeah.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:38 am

Vorret wrote:That was such an obvious result, oh welll

He pretended to have a role and then backed off it when asked to offer proof. Not sure how he thought that was going to play out.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:42 am

He still was a republican.
Would have been better off killing a silent.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:54 am

Vorret wrote:He still was a republican.
Would have been better off killing a silent.

At this point in the game where we're past preliminaries, an unpowered member of a goodguy team in one of these games needs to be very careful about playing coy about having a role. While the intent of the player doing that might be noble, the gesture is extremely likely to be misinterpreted by his teammates, because its classic "stepped in it" badguy behavior.

I really thought he was either Teddy (and didn't want to say as much too explicitly) or a Democrat.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:05 am

I agree.
It was a hail mary on his part and it didn't work.
I'm still confused on why he became a target though

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:44 pm

Vorret wrote:I agree.
It was a hail mary on his part and it didn't work.
I'm still confused on why he became a target though

seriously?

The two of you are spouting this off the silent thing, which will lead to a loss, and you wonder why he became a target? Especially with his veiled suggestions?

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:08 am

As the morning sun breaks over the horizon the remaining committee members make their way back to the Republican party headquarters. Hanging over the entrance is the body of bb2112. Written with his red Republican blood is the message "One dead, three more to go".

theohall ->
triggercut ->
Scoop20906 ->
Vorret ->
Chaosraven ->
El Guapo ->
Remus West ->
Qantaga ->
tru1cy ->

Five votes are needed.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:17 am

Vorret or Remus West.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:09 am

Moliere wrote:Written with his red Republican blood is the message "One dead, three more to go".

theohall ->
triggercut ->
Scoop20906 ->
Vorret ->
Chaosraven ->
El Guapo ->
Remus West ->
Qantaga ->
tru1cy ->

with nine players, three more to go would leave six, at which point THREE versus THREE is a village loss.

Does that mean a conversion has happened and was successful?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:16 am

1) El Guapo
2) Scoop20906
3) Vorret
4) Qantaga
7) Remus West
8 )Chaosraven
9) tru1cy
11) theohall
12) triggercut

DEAD
5) bb2112 R
6) Lassr R
10) RMC R
13) J.D. R
14) Newcastle R

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:18 am

bb2112 wrote:I think El G mentioned it, but it is worth mentioning again. There have been 2 nights. Night one, Teddy would have protected himself. Night 2 he would have protected someone else. At least this is the most likely scenario. However, if it isn't, and Teddy did self protect on night two, he should step forward and shoot Remus in the face.

Presumably, if bb2112 was (logically) targeted twice, that means he was not Teddy.
Assuming the Dems followed a logical attack pattern.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:24 am

And if we are at 6 versus 3 right now, we need to chill and discuss the Worst Cases

Miss today and miss tomorrow is the end if no protection at night.

Number crunching for:

Teddy Shot
Rezz a Dead Rep

7 vs 3 rezz used... miss kill miss kill means still only 2 lynch but two possible protections

BANG - miss is 5 vs 3 ... miss kill is game over. The shot replaces the lynch.

Bang miss plus REZZ becomes 7 - 1 = 6 vs 3 same position we are in without them.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:28 am

Chaosraven wrote:with nine players, three more to go would leave six, at which point THREE versus THREE is a village loss.

Does that mean a conversion has happened and was successful?

No. It means I am not very good at math late at night.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:06 am

theohall wrote:Vorret or Remus West.

and here I thought you'd forgotten about me when you went off on the RMC tangent.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:24 am

I may have made a mistake yesterday (game day) , I tried to get you guys to lay off RMC since I knew he was a republican.
At that point in my mind I was 100% sure there was 3 Democrat, after he died I went and realized there's only 2 which makes my decision not to come forward quite stupid, I guess. Then again, I like to gamble once in a while and thought that maybe, just maybe I could catch a wolf tonight.

Anyhow, on the 1st night I scanned RMC and he came out clean as a whistle, that's why I kept trying to sway the attention away from him, maybe the tactic used was misguided (kill the silent) but to be 100% honest every people I thought were evil turned out to be a plain old republican (I hesitated between BB and Theo last night and scanned Theo, both were republican).

On night 2 I hit my first Democrat, our beloved Chaosraven, I don't know which democrat he is only that he is one.

So to make this more compact :

Theo = R
Vorret = R
CR = D

That's all I know, and yeah, I didn't scan Remus, I know I should have

So sorry RMC for not saving your ass, I went to bed and you were alive, hoped nobody would Scoop you but I was sadly wrong.

At this point I don't know if I should be lynched tonight, I don't know if the conversion was used or not but if it wasn't there's no way I'm gonna have a chance at another scan tonight so do what you must

I'd like to put a threat list up but I have no read on anybody at this point.