wonderpug wrote:Some cars that say they require 91 octane can still get by on 89 or even 87 sometimes without having knock issues. A quick search shows that older model Miatas are one of the cars that can do ok with midgrade. As long as he doesn't get knock, Kraken can run 89 and save some money, but when he puts 91 in I think his car CPU is probably smart enough to adjust itself to take advantage of it.
There's ongoing debate on the miata.net forums about this. Everyone agrees that 89 is the minimum requirement, and that's what the owner's manual says. Some enthusiasts advocate 91 and higher. When I was having engine trouble a few months ago (random cylinder misfires setting off the engine light) my mechanic couldn't find anything wrong and suspected "bad gas." Ran a tank of 91 through it on his recommendation. The engine light went off by itself and I haven't had a misfire since. Now I'm back to 89 octane.
I seldom drive fast enough or at high enough revs to invoke the turbocharger, but I believe that my Speed appreciates the boost when I do spool it up. I treat it to a tank of premium once a year when I take it on vacation. Otherwise I just don't drive far enough or fast enough for it to matter. Definitely shouldn't buy 87, though.
Kraken wrote:I paid $2.30 for premium most recently. Granted, that includes a 50-cent discount courtesy of my grocery card...but still. $2.30 for premium, $21 to fill my tank.
You buy premium? Do you drive a sports car? Are you independently wealthy?
You don't have to be independently wealthy or buy a sports car to buy a car that requires premium gas.
I use premium in my FJ Cruiser. It no longer requires premium (the original requirement in the manual from Toyota was mainly for fuel economy and emissions standards), but I use it because I see a noticeable improvement in gas mileage when I use it. Therefore it evens out and makes it worth it.
Regular Unleaded at my exit is now $1.99.
If we can get this thing down another 50 cents I'll start tight rolling my pants and listening to Boys 2 Men.
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Jeff V wrote:I saw $2.83 on my way in to work today at a Mobile in Naperville.
Regular 87 was $1.93 on my way back from Indiana a week and a half ago, I paid $2.13 for 89. 60 miles later, in Chicago, it was $2.86.
China has recently loaned cash to countries being hit the most by low oil prices. I imagine soon they'll own most of the <1 year cash reserve countries.
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Smoove_B wrote:They have a gas station in central NJ that is selling regular for $1.79 cash, $1.89 credit. I paid $2.23 this morning. Good lord.
The cheapo stations in my town are 1.99 or less. When I get off 80 into Parsippany the station there is 1.99. I feel like I'm in a time warp or something.
32 dollars to fill my tank at lunch. + I didn't have to get out of the car. Yay Jersey!
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Jeff V wrote:I saw $2.83 on my way in to work today at a Mobile in Naperville.
That seems really high when illinoisgasprices.com shows $1.89 to $2.39 for regular in Naperville.
It's been 30 years since I had a car that drank regular. Add $0.60-0.80 to the price to see what I'm looking at.
Well, when most everyone else in the thread is talking in terms of regular gas, throwing out an odd number without more explanation throws things out of whack.
Jeff V wrote:It's been 30 years since I had a car that drank regular. Add $0.60-0.80 to the price to see what I'm looking at.
How do you even notice the price on the petroleum distillate signs? Aren't you too busy looking for people with Grey Poupon? Also, when was the last time you had your tires re-vulcanized?
Jeff V wrote:I saw $2.83 on my way in to work today at a Mobile in Naperville.
That seems really high when illinoisgasprices.com shows $1.89 to $2.39 for regular in Naperville.
It's been 30 years since I had a car that drank regular. Add $0.60-0.80 to the price to see what I'm looking at.
Well, when most everyone else in the thread is talking in terms of regular gas, throwing out an odd number without more explanation throws things out of whack.
They don't sell regular anymore, it is all unleaded.
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Jeff V wrote:It's been 30 years since I had a car that drank regular. Add $0.60-0.80 to the price to see what I'm looking at.
How do you even notice the price on the petroleum distillate signs? Aren't you too busy looking for people with Grey Poupon? Also, when was the last time you had your tires re-vulcanized?
I don't drive expensive cars, the cars just happen to take expensive gas. It's been such a long time -- not only cars I bought, but my dad for example bought one of the first minivans in 1984 and bought nothing but minivans the rest of his life and every damn one of them required premium. I currently drive a Nissan Altima.
As far as I'm concerned, that cheap regular gas is for use in rental cars only.
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Today in some places, gasoline is selling for less than $2 a gallon, less than half of its peak price in 2008. The idiotic explanation that attributed high oil prices to greed might now be adjusted to argue that big oil executives have been morally rejuvenated. They are no longer greedy and no longer want to rip off the American people. My guess is that everyone in the oil business would like to charge higher prices. Plus, there's no legal prohibition against big and powerful Exxon Mobil's selling its regular gas today for $4 a gallon. Exxon stations don't do so because the market wouldn't bear that price.
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While the price of a barrel of oil seems to have stabilized around $45-$48, the wholesale price of gasoline is starting to climb. We'll probably all be above $2 a gallon by spring.
Apollo wrote:While the price of a barrel of oil seems to have stabilized around $45-$48, the wholesale price of gasoline is starting to climb. We'll probably all be above $2 a gallon by spring.
Through a plethora of industry bullshit, gas prices in the L.A. area shot up over the past couple days. The article says 12 cents by Friday, but driving home tonight I was seeing around $4.55 for regular unleaded, which is a good 70 cents higher than when I filled up on the 4th of July weekend. We're sitting on enough oil to float the entire tanker fleet on top of it and nobody here thought to make gasoline out of it.
So, just as it seemed that all those miles biking to work and shopping were paying off -- today makes it the first day since I think ever that I went more than 7 days without filling the tank -- I find out gas is expected to increase more than $1 by the end of the week. All those miles meant I now have to fill up at 35% greater prices.
The reporter commenting on the story on the local news this morning was in front of gas station that raised prices $0.50 as she was talking about it. The latest projection was $4.25 by Saturday, and even that was higher than initial reports.
It's a temporary price increase due to a refinery issue in the largest refinery facility in the midwest. Prices are supposed to drop precipitously as soon as they fix the problem. They're guessing a month or two, at most.
hepcat wrote:It's a temporary price increase due to a refinery issue in the largest refinery facility in the midwest. Prices are supposed to drop precipitously as soon as they fix the problem. They're guessing a month or two, at most.
Apparently all gas in Chicago must go through this refinery (oh yeah, another FUCK YOU INDIANA!) They said this morning it was "heavily damaged" and had no idea when it might return to normal production.
Gas prices could be on the rise in the Midwest after production problems reportedly caused an outage at the BP Whiting Refinery.
The Northwest Indiana Times, citing sources familiar with the situation, reports that a 250,000 barrel-per-day crude distillation unit went down with a mechanical problem at the facility, impacting the production of gasoline, asphalt, jet fuel, and other products made at the refinery. The NWI Times says the unit is responsible for more than half of the refinery’s daily capacity, which is listed at 413,000 barrels per day.
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The Whiting refinery, located on the southwestern shore of Lake Michigan, is the sixth-largest refinery in the United States. BP says it recently invested several billions of dollars to modernize the refinery, enabling it to process crude oil from Canada and the Gulf Coast.
This is really, really painful. I drive my kids to the next county for school, making gas a huge part of my budget. A 50% increase in that expense is going to cut into food.
I don't know if it's kismit or what but something always happens to "midwest" refineries every time gas drops in price. So much so Grandholm and Engler both went after BIG OIL and mom and pop stations for price gouging and the result has been a lot of gas stations going out of business.
I also imagine our "cheap" gas right now is going to ultimately result in the increased gas taxes they have been failing to get through to date. I, personally, won't mind gas tax hikes if they quit raiding gas taxes for everything but highway infrastructure and maintenance.
There's a chain (is that what gas stations of the same name called?) that has $2.15/gal gas BUT says "Cash Only". I have never used them but I guess that means actual folding money?
Regular prices are much higher; more like $2.49.
I carpool a lot and use the company van (which, btw, is very nice and half full so I get a solid 1/2 hour Kindle reading each way) - SO I am not benefitting from cheap gasoline directly.
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JonathanStrange wrote:There's a chain (is that what gas stations of the same name called?) that has $2.15/gal gas BUT says "Cash Only". I have never used them but I guess that means actual folding money?
I've seen plenty of gas stations that allow debit cards but not credit cards, to avoid credit card fees eating into their margin, but I don't think I've ever seen a paper cash only place.
