The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:08 pm

Holman wrote:Apparently (too lazy to hunt up a link) Trump has now agreed to support the eventual GOP nominee and not launch a 3rd-party bid if he isn't it. This avoids potential problems with getting onto the ballot in some states.

It's unknown what penalty, if any, he would face for changing his mind later.

Yep.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:54 pm

I think this was a win for him. I don't think he wants to run as an "I" anyways, now he has the assured support of all the others if he wins the nomination. It would be worth my vote just to watch that.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:09 pm

I wonder what they promised him to get him to sign.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:13 pm

tgb wrote:I wonder what they promised him to get him to sign.

You don't think promising to support him if he wins was enough? I think that is going to be an interesting one to pull off if he does win.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:16 pm

I don't for a minute think that he would honor the pledge if he lost the nomination. Especially since one of his pet themes up to this point has been the desire to be treated "fairly". By the other nominees, by the press, hell even by regular folks asking him questions. All it takes is for one attack ad that takes him down while at the same time angering his ego for him to declare being treated unfairly and immediately signing up to run as an Independent.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:19 pm

tgb wrote:I wonder what they promised him to get him to sign.

State GOPs can make rules keeping a candidate off the ballot unless they sign such a pledge. Trump wants to be on all the ballots.

He can still reverse himself if he decides to go Indie before February.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:05 am

Trump will know about it when Trump needs to know about it!

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:24 am

OMG.

He added, “I will be so good at the military, your head will spin.”

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:33 am

Carly Fiorina seemed to be rocking the foreign policy questions. Not something I would have expected from a former CEO. That surprises me.

Good for her. In fact I have low expectations for pretty much everyone running for president as far as foreign policy is concerned. Except for the previous Secretaries of State of course.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:37 am

I'm sure she has strong opinions on the H1-B visa program.

On a serious note, Hewitt gave her the same interview as Trump.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:38 am

GreenGoo wrote:Carly Fiorina seemed to be rocking the foreign policy questions. Not something I would have expected from a former CEO. That surprises me.

Good for her. In fact I have low expectations for pretty much everyone running for president as far as foreign policy is concerned. Except for the previous Secretaries of State of course.

A CEO can do homework. I don't like Fiorina but I don't doubt she's a quick study and much more intelligent than Trump.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:41 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:Carly Fiorina seemed to be rocking the foreign policy questions. Not something I would have expected from a former CEO. That surprises me.

Good for her. In fact I have low expectations for pretty much everyone running for president as far as foreign policy is concerned. Except for the previous Secretaries of State of course.
A CEO can do homework. I don't like Fiorina but I don't doubt she's a quick study and much more intelligent than Trump.

She did her homework, that's what surprises me. It seems like she's at least taking the run seriously, despite her lack of popularity and seemingly little chance of getting the nomination. It speaks to her character imo, even if I'm not a fan of her political positions either.

Tell me Cruz, Walker or Bush could handle themselves in a foreign policy interview. I'm not even going to mention Trump, and since we have evidence of his abilities, it's probably the right decision to just avoid him completely.

It's one thing to play to the masses and appeal to their emotions, it's another thing to actually do the research that is needed to do the job they are applying for.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:49 am

If you're going to run for president, I don't think it's too much to ask to do some research on foreign policy. Even if you don't have an opinion yet on policy, it doesn't hurt to know the big players in the game.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:11 pm

hepcat wrote:If you're going to run for president, I don't think it's too much to ask to do some research on foreign policy. Even if you don't have an opinion yet on policy, it doesn't hurt to know the big players in the game.

But he knew the Kurds are being mistreated.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:13 pm

hepcat wrote:If you're going to run for president, I don't think it's too much to ask to do some research on foreign policy. Even if you don't have an opinion yet on policy, it doesn't hurt to know the big players in the game.

Agreed.

What surprises me is that someone actually did their homework. The whole field seems to be made up of sound bites this year.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:13 pm

Are we sure he wasn't bemoaning the mistreatment of cheese products through the application of gravy by our Canuckistan brethren?

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:50 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Are we sure he wasn't bemoaning the mistreatment of cheese products through the application of gravy by our Canuckistan brethren?

Maybe he can explain cheese on apple pie.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:21 pm

Moliere wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Are we sure he wasn't bemoaning the mistreatment of cheese products through the application of gravy by our Canuckistan brethren?
Maybe he can explain cheese on apple pie.

wtf gross!

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:22 pm

Cheddar on apple pie is totally a thing. Why it's a thing, I don't know, but it's been a thing for decades and probably centuries.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:33 pm

GreenGoo wrote:Cheddar on apple pie is totally a thing. Why it's a thing, I don't know, but it's been a thing for decades and probably centuries.

An apple pie without the cheese is like a kiss without the squeeze.
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Dig around historical texts, as dictionarian Barry Popick has, and you'll find versions of this phrase dating back to the late 19th century. The gastronome Brillat-Savarin even remarked, back in 1825, that "a dessert without cheese is like a beautiful woman who has lost an eye."

Brillat-Savarin probably didn't mean pie per se, but rather the common European practice of including cheese as part of a dessert course. Though as apple pie dates back to as early as the 16th century,* it's not unlikely that Europeans were eating said pie with cheese well before the pilgrims strapped belt buckles to their hats.
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Here in the U.S., the cheese can vary, but it's usually cheddar. And for that pairing we likely have the Brits to thank. England is the birthplace of cheddar, after all, and Popick points out that Yorkshire claims apple pie with cheese as a traditional dessert. Some Brits even say the "apple pie without the cheese" expression originated there, though multiple printed documents point to 19th century Americans "graphically" introducing the phrase to British writers.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:43 pm

naednek wrote:
wtf gross!

It looks better on a 55 inch 4k television, I've been told.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:46 pm

While I don't think that I would put cheese on a slice of pie (I much prefer ice cream), I do love a nice sharp cheddar with a tart apple. My favorite is MacIntosh, but I only like those fresh from the orchard. So out here (where they don't appear to grow them), I go with Granny Smith. I do find the flavors very complimentary.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:27 pm

One day I need to try cheese on pie. I mean cheese and pie are two of my favorite things and I put cheese on nearly everything else.

Today will not be that day though.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:39 pm

Immortan Trump

Canuck · Post by **Canuck** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:37 am

hepcat wrote:
naednek wrote:
wtf gross!
It looks better on a 55 inch 4k television, I've been told.

No doubt, but why would anyone in their right mind want to eat their TV?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:36 am

Zarathud wrote:Immortan Trump

Is that Jeb! behind him?

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:10 am

LordMortis wrote:One day I need to try cheese on pie. I mean cheese and pie are two of my favorite things and I put cheese on nearly everything else.

Today will not be that day though.

As Isgrim pointed out, it works better with a sharp cheddar and tart apples. If your pie is sweeter than it is tart, it's not as good.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:22 am

I think that was TheMix that addressed the tartness issue.

TheMix wrote:While I don't think that I would put cheese on a slice of pie (I much prefer ice cream), I do love a nice sharp cheddar with a tart apple. My favorite is MacIntosh, but I only like those fresh from the orchard. So out here (where they don't appear to grow them), I go with Granny Smith. I do find the flavors very complimentary.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:45 am

Ah, I misremembered it being from your snippet.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:07 pm

Trump is right on economics...

And here’s what’s interesting: all indications are that Mr. Bush’s attacks on Mr. Trump are falling flat, because the Republican base doesn’t actually share the Republican establishment’s economic delusions.

The thing is, we didn’t really know that until Mr. Trump came along. The influence of big-money donors meant that nobody could make a serious play for the G.O.P. nomination without pledging allegiance to supply-side doctrine, and this allowed the establishment to imagine that ordinary voters shared its antipopulist creed. Indeed, Mr. Bush’s hapless attempt at a takedown suggests that his political team still doesn’t get it, and thinks that pointing out The Donald’s heresies will be enough to doom his campaign.

But Mr. Trump, who is self-financing, didn’t need to genuflect to the big money, and it turns out that the base doesn’t mind his heresies. This is a real revelation, which may have a lasting impact on our politics.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:15 pm

Smoove_B wrote:Trump is right on economics...

And here’s what’s interesting: all indications are that Mr. Bush’s attacks on Mr. Trump are falling flat, because the Republican base doesn’t actually share the Republican establishment’s economic delusions.

The thing is, we didn’t really know that until Mr. Trump came along. The influence of big-money donors meant that nobody could make a serious play for the G.O.P. nomination without pledging allegiance to supply-side doctrine, and this allowed the establishment to imagine that ordinary voters shared its antipopulist creed. Indeed, Mr. Bush’s hapless attempt at a takedown suggests that his political team still doesn’t get it, and thinks that pointing out The Donald’s heresies will be enough to doom his campaign.

But Mr. Trump, who is self-financing, didn’t need to genuflect to the big money, and it turns out that the base doesn’t mind his heresies. This is a real revelation, which may have a lasting impact on our politics.

I'm more inclined to think that the masses care more for attitude than any particular economic policy. They might even overlook his support of the assault gun ban.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:25 pm

While I still dislike Trump intensely and I think a Trump presidency would be a farce, I do have to agree that he's shaking things up in a way that could actually result in some positive changes in the political process.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:54 pm

Just visited "his" vineyard in Charlottesville....not too shabby. Didn't seem to have his ego stinking up the place, so that was welcome (no gold and diamond bars, instance). Decent wines as well.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:10 pm

Trump's military experience

Mr. Trump said that his experience at the New York Military Academy, an expensive prep school where his parents had sent him to correct poor behavior, gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.”

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:15 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:Just visited "his" vineyard in Charlottesville....not too shabby. Didn't seem to have his ego stinking up the place, so that was welcome (no gold and diamond bars, instance). Decent wines as well.

I believe that Vineyard is run by his son, for what it's worth. Soon to be the next VP in the Trump / Trump administration, of course.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:16 pm

I watched Full Metal Jacket, does that count?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:54 pm

Mr. Trump said that his experience at the New York Military Academy, an expensive prep school where his parents had sent him to correct poor behavior, gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.”

He should try that line with actual soldiers.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:08 pm

Holman wrote:
Mr. Trump said that his experience at the New York Military Academy, an expensive prep school where his parents had sent him to correct poor behavior, gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.”
He should try that line with actual soldiers.

Exactly. I read that and did the 'blink-blink' equivalent of a double-take. That was a pretty... ambitious... statement. I'm sure that it will play fine with our armed forces.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:12 pm

TheMix wrote:
Holman wrote:
Mr. Trump said that his experience at the New York Military Academy, an expensive prep school where his parents had sent him to correct poor behavior, gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.”
He should try that line with actual soldiers.
Exactly. I read that and did the 'blink-blink' equivalent of a double-take. That was a pretty... ambitious... statement. I'm sure that it will play fine with our armed forces.

When was the last President who had active duty service in a combat zone? The real question is whether he can surround himself with reliable advisers and follow their advice.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:16 pm

Damn, that was a lucky bone spur in 1968.