The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:04 pm

Remember when Drumpf said he saw hundreds of muslims cheering in NY during 9/11? And when he was refuted, he scrambled a bit trying to back up his "facts"?

Those were the good old days. I miss them.

Now he says whatever random shit he feels like and if anyone calls him on it he just insults the person's mother and the crowd goes wild and that's the end of that.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:47 pm

Defiant wrote:How Donald Trump scrambles the general election map

This article is thoroughly unconvincing. All it really says is "Trump has more appeal to white working class voters, there are white working class voters in traditional democratic states, therefore Trump might win traditional democratic states." But all they have in there in terms of objective data (which isn't much) cuts against their argument:

A University of New Hampshire poll out this week shows Clinton with an 8-point lead over Trump in a hypothetical matchup — but there are some warning signs for Clinton. She trails Trump by about 15 points among non-college voters, a group Barack Obama won by 2 points four years ago.

Wisconsin has been part of a Democratic blue wall for decades; the last Republican to carry the state was Ronald Reagan in 1984. And while a Marquette Law School poll released last week showed Clinton poised to carry the state over Trump, the race was neck-and-neck among less-educated voters.

“Can he succeed in mobilizing new voters in November? When we look at our data, Trump’s supporters say they are less likely to vote than others’,” Franklin said. “I had a great illustration of that. Some anonymous caller left a voice message yesterday that complained that our poll must have only included people in Milwaukee because 80 percent of his friends in Appleton are voting for Trump.”

So....Trump is poised to take several traditionally democratic states by capturing a lot of working class votes! Only Hillary's still leading notwithstanding Trump doing disproportionately well among blue collar voters, who the data suggests are less likely to vote.

Hillary must be terrified by this article.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:55 pm

More Latinos Seek Citizenship to Vote Against Trump.

Over all, naturalization applications increased by 11 percent in the 2015 fiscal year over the year before, and jumped 14 percent during the six months ending in January, according to federal figures. The pace is picking up by the week, advocates say, and they estimate applications could approach 1 million in 2016, about 200,000 more than the average in recent years.

These numbers themselves won't be decisive, but I imagine they're a pretty good predictor of a big rise in Latino voter turnout.

It's great to see Trump and his supporters doing their part for U.S. diversity.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:04 pm

That's the core problem. As was referenced in an article I posted earlier in this thread, some people are saying that Trump could win the general by driving up white working class turnout (including capturing normally democratic working class votes). But not only would he need to get a historically high level of white working class votes to be competitive, even if he could, that's implicitly assuming that he could run the requisite nativist campaign without simultaneously driving up minority turnout in the process.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:13 pm

If the election were today, then Clinton (or Sanders) would win in a landslide But the election isn't today. There's eight months and a whole general election campaigning to go through, so I remain unconvinced of hypothetical matches this far out.

I think Trump in the race has the potential to fundamentally change the basics of the electoral map that we haven't seen in a long, long time. While not the best article, it at least touches on the issue.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:27 pm

Defiant wrote:If the election were today, then Clinton (or Sanders) would win in a landslide But the election isn't today. There's eight months and a whole general election campaigning to go through, so I remain unconvinced of hypothetical matches this far out.

I think Trump in the race has the potential to fundamentally change the basics of the electoral map that we haven't seen in a long, long time. While not the best article, it at least touches on the issue.

Oh yeah, head-to-head polls at this point are not super probative. My overall point is that Trump is staring down some hard numbers in a general election. That starts with his favorability numbers (or lack thereof) outside of the GOP base, including most specifically an unfavorable rating of 80% among Hispanic voters. That poll shows him losing Hispanic voters to Clinton 73-16 (!!!).

Yes, there's lots and lots of time, but it's REALLY hard to see how Trump gets anywhere with Hispanic voters after the shit he's thrown around during the primary, and really hard to see how he wins with his abysmal polling with them (and other minority groups).

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:41 pm

El Guapo wrote: That starts with his favorability numbers (or lack thereof) outside of the GOP base, including most specifically an unfavorable rating of 80% among Hispanic voters. That poll shows him losing Hispanic voters to Clinton 73-16 (!!!).

Yes, there's lots and lots of time, but it's REALLY hard to see how Trump gets anywhere with Hispanic voters after the shit he's thrown around during the primary, and really hard to see how he wins with his abysmal polling with them (and other minority groups).

I think the real question is one of turnout. Hispanic turnout has been much lower than that of white and black turnout. In the past few elections, they said that "this year, they'll turnout in large numbers", but they didn't. Maybe Trump's demagoguery will manage to change that.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:20 pm

Literally, art of the Donald Trump sideshow...

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:31 pm

This is literally a post.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:40 pm

This is literally a dick pic request

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:51 pm

hepcat wrote:This is literally a post.

Now who's wielding the pillow?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:57 pm

Defiant wrote:
El Guapo wrote: That starts with his favorability numbers (or lack thereof) outside of the GOP base, including most specifically an unfavorable rating of 80% among Hispanic voters. That poll shows him losing Hispanic voters to Clinton 73-16 (!!!).

Yes, there's lots and lots of time, but it's REALLY hard to see how Trump gets anywhere with Hispanic voters after the shit he's thrown around during the primary, and really hard to see how he wins with his abysmal polling with them (and other minority groups).
I think the real question is one of turnout. Hispanic turnout has been much lower than that of white and black turnout. In the past few elections, they said that "this year, they'll turnout in large numbers", but they didn't. Maybe Trump's demagoguery will manage to change that.

Maybe. But Trump would almost certainly need to increase white turnout / vote percentage for him above recent levels (Romney did decisively win the white vote last election, I want to say getting 62% of the white vote). Given that Trump's level of the Hispanic vote is likely to fall below Romney's sterling 27% share, can Trump increase white votes (share / turnout) without also correspondingly increasing minority turnout for Clinton?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:59 am

This is an interesting video on how Trump answers questions (including language and sentence structure)

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:50 am

The Trump cabinet generator. My randomly generated cabinet:

I'm OK with some of these!

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:01 am

I'm ok with several of them.

Omarosa would be great anywhere but at Treasury is a perfect fit. No one is hiding a dime without her knowing about it.

Gilbert would put the fun back into killing people.

No one would dare piss off the Attorney General.

Penn would at least make it appear that there was some development going on.

Geraldo would help find all those resources because we all know how talented he is at finding stuff.

Finally the Dice Man would straighten out anyone with his verbal poetry. I doubt anyone would be late for an appointment more than once.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:26 am

Honestly Attorney General Ferrigno would be totally in play. The only problem with that specific cabinet listing is that Dennis Rodman is absolutely a lock for Trump's Secretary of State.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:14 pm

Defiant wrote:This is an interesting video on how Trump answers questions (including language and sentence structure)

That's enlightening. Words are a politician's stock in trade.

PLW · Post by **PLW** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:22 pm

Trump gets the (unwilling) support of man's best friend.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:18 pm

Kraken wrote:
Defiant wrote:This is an interesting video on how Trump answers questions (including language and sentence structure)
That's enlightening. Words are a politician's stock in trade.

Interesting, but it's worth pointing out that In his first claim, he says that 78% of the words Trump uses are "one syllable". However, he counts multiple two-syllable words in that total: country, Sweden, people, fourteen.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:29 pm

I noticed that, too. He was also sloppy with his highlighting, missing at least one instance of "problem." Doesn't invalidate his argument though.

PLW · Post by **PLW** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:42 am

The secret service is hard a work guarding the snack table.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:39 am

Kraken wrote:I noticed that, too. He was also sloppy with his highlighting, missing at least one instance of "problem." Doesn't invalidate his argument though.

Well, he is the Nerdwriter rather than the Nerdeditor.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:14 am

Trump yanks on Christie's chain.Hitching his star to Trump has gotta be the worst move he has made in recent years. I think as a populace we the citizens of NJ are going to have to revoke his buffet card soon. A major transit strike is looming that will cripple the region and our useless sack of shit Governor is sniffing around the Donald. WTF?!?

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:26 am

PLW wrote: The secret service is hard a work guarding the snack table.

That's the evening's show-and-tell entertainment. Gotta make sure he has props to back up his storytelling!

Jag · Post by **Jag** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:37 am

PLW wrote:The secret service is hard a work guarding the snack table.

You never know if there is a Bernie Bro around that may try and take half.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:42 pm

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/ ... ter-220472

Wow. I thought breitbart would literally be the last "news" outlet that Trump would piss off. Shows what I know. I guess having altercations with every news outlet is part of his popularity?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:41 pm

The Hindus for Trump Facebook page, which has 500 "likes", has gone so far as to place the business tycoon on the same pedestal as some of the most revered Hindu gods. They have come out with a poster where Mr Trump is seen sitting in a yoga posture on a lotus with the "Om" symbol—an uncanny resemblance to the Hindu Gods Brahma and Vishnu. In Hindu beliefs, Brahma is the creator of the world and Vishnu the protector and restorer of moral order. A post on the group's Facebook page appeals to "Trump Haters". "Donald Trump promises to make America Great again. It means more jobs, less warmongering, protected borders, treasury surplus and a better life for LEGAL Americans. He's going to win and you are on the wrong side of History."

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:05 pm

Max Peck wrote:
The Hindus for Trump Facebook page, which has 500 "likes", has gone so far as to place the business tycoon on the same pedestal as some of the most revered Hindu gods. They have come out with a poster where Mr Trump is seen sitting in a yoga posture on a lotus with the "Om" symbol—an uncanny resemblance to the Hindu Gods Brahma and Vishnu. In Hindu beliefs, Brahma is the creator of the world and Vishnu the protector and restorer of moral order. A post on the group's Facebook page appeals to "Trump Haters". "Donald Trump promises to make America Great again. It means more jobs, less warmongering, protected borders, treasury surplus and a better life for LEGAL Americans. He's going to win and you are on the wrong side of History."

Look at his hands.. they're YUGE!

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:10 pm

Those aren't his hands, they're a stand ins. (or is it a point ins?)

Malificent · Post by **Malificent** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:16 pm

Max Peck wrote:
The Hindus for Trump Facebook page, which has 500 "likes", has gone so far as to place the business tycoon on the same pedestal as some of the most revered Hindu gods. They have come out with a poster where Mr Trump is seen sitting in a yoga posture on a lotus with the "Om" symbol—an uncanny resemblance to the Hindu Gods Brahma and Vishnu. In Hindu beliefs, Brahma is the creator of the world and Vishnu the protector and restorer of moral order. A post on the group's Facebook page appeals to "Trump Haters". "Donald Trump promises to make America Great again. It means more jobs, less warmongering, protected borders, treasury surplus and a better life for LEGAL Americans. He's going to win and you are on the wrong side of History."

Real life became reddit so slowly, I barely noticed the changeover. Are they trolling me or are they serious? I don't know and I don't know if it matters...

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:19 pm

I enjoyed their use of "wrong side of history".

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:04 pm

6 Times People Got Attacked At Trump Rallies

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:57 pm

Trump says "Islam hates us," refusing to make a distinction between extremists and other adherents of the religion.

Short video at the link. It's not heated rhetoric at a rally but a sit-down interview with Anderson Cooper.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:04 pm

Holman wrote:Trump says "Islam hates us," refusing to make a distinction between extremists and other adherents of the religion.

Short video at the link. It's not heated rhetoric at a rally but a sit-down interview with Anderson Cooper.

As true as Republicans being racists, misogynists, and homophobes. The latter two being as true if not more so of Islam.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:05 pm

Holman wrote:Trump says "Islam hates us," refusing to make a distinction between extremists and other adherents of the religion.

Yuck.

Also, making a distinction at all between Islam and "us" is really tacky. There are about 3 million Muslims in the U.S. They are part of "us".

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:27 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:
Holman wrote:Trump says "Islam hates us," refusing to make a distinction between extremists and other adherents of the religion.
Yuck.

Also, making a distinction at all between Islam and "us" is really tacky. There are about 3 million Muslims in the U.S. They are part of "us".

That must make them feel like Caitlyn Jenner feels when it is said republicans are homophobes or hate transgendered or how Ben Carson or Condi Rice feels when they say Republicans are racists. It is how rhetoric works. Welcome to the real world.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:35 pm

Hey look everyone! Rip's avoiding the issue again!

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:06 pm

ImLawBoy wrote:Hey look everyone! Rip's avoiding the issue again!

Not avoiding it, just pointing out this is why people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I wish people had never started with the hyperbole rhetoric. But there it is.

Can't wait till we can start discussing the flip side of all that presidential power under President Tonald Crumpz.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:25 pm

ImLawBoy wrote:Hey look everyone! Rip's avoiding the issue again!

<pokes head in thread>

Oh that Rip. He does love trying to dodge things by yelling "LOOK OVER THERE!" whenever something comes up that he has no real defense for, doesn't he?

<play sad trombone>

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:04 pm

Seeing reports that Ben Carson will endorse Trump tomorrow. I did not see that one coming.

I assumed his mostly Evangelical voters would go to Cruz. Maybe they still will to a large degree, but this can only help Trump. I guess Ben still is smarting from Cruz's dirty tricks in Iowa. Or maybe he's angling for VP. Now THAT would be one insane combo.

Gifted Hands and Stumpy Fingers, 2016